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The result was keep.
Swarm♠ 06:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)reply
A defunct University publications started by
Syed Ahmad Khan and then stopped after his death in 1898. Has no stand-alone notability and all reliable sources mention the publication passing in relation to Syed or its another editor
Theodore Beck. Case of inherited notability. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
Talk /
Edits} 06:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I vote to keep. The article is poorly written, but that is another issue. The references I checked seemed fine. Be sure the final articles is about the Institute and not just the notable members of the institute.
Lucas559 (
talk) 15:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Note The above vote be counted when closing.
Arifjwadder (
talk) 21:27, 2 October 2015 (UTC)reply
I concur with you. The references are most notable. Some of the references are there in the government documents and in books which have been written by British writers century back.
User talk:Lucas559 request you to vote in bold. Thanks.
Arifjwadder (
talk) 16:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. The references I mentioned above are reliable and note worthy. This is a historical gazette in which freedom movement of India could be found.
Arifjwadder (
talk) 11:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)reply
keep. The references cited above and in the article are fine and authentic. Few are from government organisation which does not give a second thought. The article has a lot of scope for enlargement. It meets notability criteria.
EyThink (
talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: @
Rsrikanth05: Please have a re-read of the article with the additions I've made. If after that you wish to uphold your !vote, I'd like to hear why. --
Sam SailorTalk! 06:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
My opinion remains the same. It doesn't seem to satisfy N to exist as a standalone article.--
Rsrikanth05 (
talk) 09:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. Meets
WP:N. Under
WP:ABOUTSELF it is acceptable as a source for facts under
WP:V. The references mentioned above are fine and acceptable with some references from Nehru Memorial Library, India makes it more notable. Thus
Topic notability is established. Thanks.-
Rajib56789 (
talk) 06:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
DavidLeighEllis (
talk) 18:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)reply
RedirectSee below. and merge to
Syed Ahmad Khan. Editor
Arifjwadder has demonstrated verifiability, not notability. Having the microform preserved does not equate to significant coverage. Fails
WP:GNG. --
Bejnar (
talk) 04:01, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Bejnar: A book was recently released on the subject. The released book entirely is on Aligarh Institute GazetteAsghar Abbas; Syed Asim Ali (10 July 2015).
Print Culture: Sir Syed's Aligarh Institute Gazette 1866-1897. Primus Books.
ISBN978-93-84082-29-1. This book is based on a critical study of The Aligarh Institute Gazette covering the period 1866 97, a phase when India was slowly transiting to the modern age, with the spread of new political, social, educational and religious ideas. Numerous social movements too, were gathering steam during this period to reform the Indian society. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the founder of The Aligarh Institute Gazette, fought against obscurantist ideas and persuaded the Indian people to accept the impending changes.. What more is needed for notability???
Arifjwadder (
talk) 18:08, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: @
Bejnar: Please have a re-read of the article with the additions I've made. If after that you wish to uphold your !vote, I'd like to hear why. --
Sam SailorTalk! 06:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:SNOW and suggest
Dharmadhyaksha{{
Withdraw}}. There is not just sufficient significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, there is an overwhelming abundance of sources, and subject passes
WP:NPERIODICAL/
WP:NMEDIA/
WP:GNG with flying colors. I have done a slight rewrite with a few additions, and I have added ~10 {{cite book}}s, but you could add several dozens more. And that's cite books only. --
Sam SailorTalk! 06:36, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
This book released is on Aligarh Institute GazetteAsghar Abbas; Syed Asim Ali (10 July 2015).
Print Culture: Sir Syed's Aligarh Institute Gazette 1866-1897. Primus Books.
ISBN978-93-84082-29-1. This book is based on a critical study of The Aligarh Institute Gazette covering the period 1866 97, a phase when India was slowly transiting to the modern age, with the spread of new political, social, educational and religious ideas. Numerous social movements too, were gathering steam during this period to reform the Indian society. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the founder of The Aligarh Institute Gazette, fought against obscurantist ideas and persuaded the Indian people to accept the impending changes.. @
Bejnar: Will you still say passing mention???
Arifjwadder (
talk) 18:16, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, I withdraw my objection; however when two out of the first three citations that are added to an article are mere mentions, it is difficult to continue evaluating them. Has anyone actually seen a copy of Asghar Abbas's book (as translated from Urdu by Syed Asim Ali)? Is that why it is listed in "Further reading" and is not cited? (Note: Syed Asim Ali should probably not be treated as an author.) --
Bejnar (
talk) 21:50, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
For future reference you might keep in mind the guideline at
Wikipedia:Citing sources#Say where you read it which says: Don't cite a source unless you've seen it for yourself. and the suggestion at
Wikipedia:Further reading#Relation to reference sections : Some editors list sources that they hope to use in the future to build the article in Further reading. This is neither encouraged nor prohibited. Many editors prefer to list such sources on the article's talk page. --
Bejnar (
talk) 22:35, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Publication widely cited as an authoritative or representative voice of liberal Muslims in India 100 years or so ago (particularly on ideas of education). Asghar Abbas's book only comes out in 6 weeks, so nobody can possibly have read it yet (except in-house editors, external reviewers, the author's close friends and colleagues, none of whom could appropriately be citing it on Wikipedia pre-publication), but its existence does point towards notability. --
Andreas Philopater (
talk) 19:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep.
Swarm♠ 06:21, 10 October 2015 (UTC)reply
A defunct University publications started by
Syed Ahmad Khan and then stopped after his death in 1898. Has no stand-alone notability and all reliable sources mention the publication passing in relation to Syed or its another editor
Theodore Beck. Case of inherited notability. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
Talk /
Edits} 06:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I vote to keep. The article is poorly written, but that is another issue. The references I checked seemed fine. Be sure the final articles is about the Institute and not just the notable members of the institute.
Lucas559 (
talk) 15:46, 25 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Note The above vote be counted when closing.
Arifjwadder (
talk) 21:27, 2 October 2015 (UTC)reply
I concur with you. The references are most notable. Some of the references are there in the government documents and in books which have been written by British writers century back.
User talk:Lucas559 request you to vote in bold. Thanks.
Arifjwadder (
talk) 16:42, 29 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. The references I mentioned above are reliable and note worthy. This is a historical gazette in which freedom movement of India could be found.
Arifjwadder (
talk) 11:47, 26 September 2015 (UTC)reply
keep. The references cited above and in the article are fine and authentic. Few are from government organisation which does not give a second thought. The article has a lot of scope for enlargement. It meets notability criteria.
EyThink (
talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: @
Rsrikanth05: Please have a re-read of the article with the additions I've made. If after that you wish to uphold your !vote, I'd like to hear why. --
Sam SailorTalk! 06:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
My opinion remains the same. It doesn't seem to satisfy N to exist as a standalone article.--
Rsrikanth05 (
talk) 09:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. Meets
WP:N. Under
WP:ABOUTSELF it is acceptable as a source for facts under
WP:V. The references mentioned above are fine and acceptable with some references from Nehru Memorial Library, India makes it more notable. Thus
Topic notability is established. Thanks.-
Rajib56789 (
talk) 06:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
DavidLeighEllis (
talk) 18:12, 2 October 2015 (UTC)reply
RedirectSee below. and merge to
Syed Ahmad Khan. Editor
Arifjwadder has demonstrated verifiability, not notability. Having the microform preserved does not equate to significant coverage. Fails
WP:GNG. --
Bejnar (
talk) 04:01, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Bejnar: A book was recently released on the subject. The released book entirely is on Aligarh Institute GazetteAsghar Abbas; Syed Asim Ali (10 July 2015).
Print Culture: Sir Syed's Aligarh Institute Gazette 1866-1897. Primus Books.
ISBN978-93-84082-29-1. This book is based on a critical study of The Aligarh Institute Gazette covering the period 1866 97, a phase when India was slowly transiting to the modern age, with the spread of new political, social, educational and religious ideas. Numerous social movements too, were gathering steam during this period to reform the Indian society. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the founder of The Aligarh Institute Gazette, fought against obscurantist ideas and persuaded the Indian people to accept the impending changes.. What more is needed for notability???
Arifjwadder (
talk) 18:08, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment: @
Bejnar: Please have a re-read of the article with the additions I've made. If after that you wish to uphold your !vote, I'd like to hear why. --
Sam SailorTalk! 06:45, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:SNOW and suggest
Dharmadhyaksha{{
Withdraw}}. There is not just sufficient significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, there is an overwhelming abundance of sources, and subject passes
WP:NPERIODICAL/
WP:NMEDIA/
WP:GNG with flying colors. I have done a slight rewrite with a few additions, and I have added ~10 {{cite book}}s, but you could add several dozens more. And that's cite books only. --
Sam SailorTalk! 06:36, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
This book released is on Aligarh Institute GazetteAsghar Abbas; Syed Asim Ali (10 July 2015).
Print Culture: Sir Syed's Aligarh Institute Gazette 1866-1897. Primus Books.
ISBN978-93-84082-29-1. This book is based on a critical study of The Aligarh Institute Gazette covering the period 1866 97, a phase when India was slowly transiting to the modern age, with the spread of new political, social, educational and religious ideas. Numerous social movements too, were gathering steam during this period to reform the Indian society. Sir Syed Ahmed Khan, the founder of The Aligarh Institute Gazette, fought against obscurantist ideas and persuaded the Indian people to accept the impending changes.. @
Bejnar: Will you still say passing mention???
Arifjwadder (
talk) 18:16, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, I withdraw my objection; however when two out of the first three citations that are added to an article are mere mentions, it is difficult to continue evaluating them. Has anyone actually seen a copy of Asghar Abbas's book (as translated from Urdu by Syed Asim Ali)? Is that why it is listed in "Further reading" and is not cited? (Note: Syed Asim Ali should probably not be treated as an author.) --
Bejnar (
talk) 21:50, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
For future reference you might keep in mind the guideline at
Wikipedia:Citing sources#Say where you read it which says: Don't cite a source unless you've seen it for yourself. and the suggestion at
Wikipedia:Further reading#Relation to reference sections : Some editors list sources that they hope to use in the future to build the article in Further reading. This is neither encouraged nor prohibited. Many editors prefer to list such sources on the article's talk page. --
Bejnar (
talk) 22:35, 3 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep. Publication widely cited as an authoritative or representative voice of liberal Muslims in India 100 years or so ago (particularly on ideas of education). Asghar Abbas's book only comes out in 6 weeks, so nobody can possibly have read it yet (except in-house editors, external reviewers, the author's close friends and colleagues, none of whom could appropriately be citing it on Wikipedia pre-publication), but its existence does point towards notability. --
Andreas Philopater (
talk) 19:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.