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The result was delete. ST47 ( talk) 04:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NSPORTS. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 21:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete. Nothing stated in the article constitutes a strongly "inherent" notability claim in the absence of considerably more reliable source coverage than the article is actually citing. Bearcat ( talk) 00:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bearcat Can you elaborate? Not questioning, just trying to understand your comment and the concept of "inherent" notability as a relatively new user. —
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- There are certain notability claims that we consider so important that as long as they're verifiably accurate, an article has to be allowed to exist regardless of its current state of sourcing: a politician winning election to the national legislature; a person in any field of endeavour winning a top level award in their field (such as actors or actresses winning Oscars or Emmys or Tonys, musicians winning Grammys, etc.); an athlete making it to the Olympics or getting drafted into the top professional league for their sport; and on and so forth. Basically, an inherent notability claim is an achievement that's so significant and important that as long as it can be properly verified as true, it essentially clinches the person's notability right on its face — so if a person has one of those, we keep the article even if the sources in it aren't great, and just flag it for reference improvement because the likelihood of there being other solid sources that we just haven't found or used yet is very high. But there are also many notability claims that aren't considered automatic notability guarantees, where instead their notability depends much more strongly on the quality of the sources they do or don't have to support an article with — basically, if their notability claim boils down to having done their job (a musician, writer, actor or filmmaker claiming notability because their work exists rather than because of any noteworthy awards or distinctions, etc.), then they have to have much more solid sourcing to get in the door in the first place. Bearcat ( talk) 15:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bearcat Can you elaborate? Not questioning, just trying to understand your comment and the concept of "inherent" notability as a relatively new user. —
Ad Meliora
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15:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per Bearcat and nom. -- TheSandDoctor Talk 04:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ST47 ( talk) 04:05, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NSPORTS. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 21:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 21:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete. Nothing stated in the article constitutes a strongly "inherent" notability claim in the absence of considerably more reliable source coverage than the article is actually citing. Bearcat ( talk) 00:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bearcat Can you elaborate? Not questioning, just trying to understand your comment and the concept of "inherent" notability as a relatively new user. —
Ad Meliora
Talk∕
Contribs
15:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- There are certain notability claims that we consider so important that as long as they're verifiably accurate, an article has to be allowed to exist regardless of its current state of sourcing: a politician winning election to the national legislature; a person in any field of endeavour winning a top level award in their field (such as actors or actresses winning Oscars or Emmys or Tonys, musicians winning Grammys, etc.); an athlete making it to the Olympics or getting drafted into the top professional league for their sport; and on and so forth. Basically, an inherent notability claim is an achievement that's so significant and important that as long as it can be properly verified as true, it essentially clinches the person's notability right on its face — so if a person has one of those, we keep the article even if the sources in it aren't great, and just flag it for reference improvement because the likelihood of there being other solid sources that we just haven't found or used yet is very high. But there are also many notability claims that aren't considered automatic notability guarantees, where instead their notability depends much more strongly on the quality of the sources they do or don't have to support an article with — basically, if their notability claim boils down to having done their job (a musician, writer, actor or filmmaker claiming notability because their work exists rather than because of any noteworthy awards or distinctions, etc.), then they have to have much more solid sourcing to get in the door in the first place. Bearcat ( talk) 15:43, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bearcat Can you elaborate? Not questioning, just trying to understand your comment and the concept of "inherent" notability as a relatively new user. —
Ad Meliora
Talk∕
Contribs
15:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per Bearcat and nom. -- TheSandDoctor Talk 04:07, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
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