- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Convinced this short film meets WP:NFILM based on it's festival winnings.
Thanks everyone for participating. Unhappy with this decision? If one wishes to renominate this article with another policy-based rationale, they are able to do so. I will defer to other administrators to review it. I will not re-review my decision. Happy holidays. Missvain ( talk) 00:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Ala Kachuu - Take and Run (2020 film)
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Article about a short film, not
properly referenced as passing
WP:NFILM. The notability claim on offer here is a bunch of film festival awards referenced to the festivals' own
self-published websites or press releases -- but when it comes to film awards, Wikipedia does not just indiscriminately accept every film festival on the planet as an instant notability freebie for a film, and instead ascribes notability only to film awards that can be shown to get media coverage: Oscars, BAFTAs, Cannes, Berlin, TIFF, that sort of thing. If you have to rely on the film festival's own self-published content to source an award win, because media don't consider the award significant enough to report on it as news, then that award is not notable enough to make its winners "inherently" notable for winning it.
The first three footnotes are actually third-party sources, but one is a WordPress blog and one isn't actually about this film, but is here simply to tangentially verify the existence of the social issue that this film is about, so neither of those are helping to establish the notability of this film either. One source, Südkurier (#3) is actually about this film, but one GNG-worthy source isn't enough all by itself.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this film from having to be referenced much, much better than this.
Bearcat (
talk) 18:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Considering that seven of the festivals listed have their own Wikipedia pages with notable sources and media coverage, does that not make them notable enough?
Although the festivals may be small and are not considered „important enough“ by the common „news“ does not make them insignificant in the world of film festivals. Such as them being BAFTA and Oscars qualifying.
Ala Kachuu - Take and Run has been shown at the Oscar qualifying festivals 11th BronzeLens Film Festival, 45th Cleveland International Film Festival, 16th HollyShorts Film Festival and the 38th Flickers’ Rhode Island Film Festival. The film is now eligible to compete for the next Oscars season by its airing at the LA cinema Laemmle’s Noho 7.
The following third party articles have now been added:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/bellevue/zur-ehe-entfuehrt/story/13912947 https://www.e-journal.ch/region/den-frauen-eine-stimme-geben/ https://issuu.com/swissfilms/docs/fiction_fall_2020/3 https://www.flickfeast.co.uk/shorts/ala-kachuu-2020-short/ http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2021/nov/17/spotlight-15th-annual-alexandria-film-festival/ https://shortsshowcase.splashthat.com https://smeca.ch/news/aka-kachuu-geht-ins-oscar-rennen/ https://happeningnext.com/event/ala-kachuu-take-and-run-cinema-screening-los-angeles-eid3a086leght
Offline sources such as Swiss newspaper articles have also been added:
Matinee im Kino zum Thema Brautraub". Brugg. September 1, 2021. p. 19.
Bracher, Katharina (December 2020). "Gestohlene Bräute". NZZ am Sonntag Magazin (in German). p. 16.
Please note that the ninth (formerly second) footnote is referring to the term ala kachuu and not the film itself. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
EditLiz (
talk •
contribs)
- The question of whether a film festival award counts as a notability claim for a film does not hinge on whether the film festival has a Wikipedia article or not — it hinges on whether you can reference this specific film's win of an award at that film festival to a media source that reports "this specific film has won this specific award at this specific film festival" as a news story, or have to rely on the film festival's own self-published website about itself because the media don't treat that film festival's awards as significant. NFILM #3 is not automatically passed by just every film festival that exists, or even just every film festival that has a Wikipedia article — it's passed only by film festivals whose award presentations get reported by journalists as newsworthy, such as Cannes, Berlin, Toronto or Sundance. Bearcat ( talk) 13:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG/NFILM. No awards from any major festivals. Kolma8 ( talk) 02:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Less Unless (
talk) 09:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit 10:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep long list of awards from notable festivals with their own articles, independent coverage in major newspapers ( Tages-Anzeiger [1], NZZ Am Sonntag) as well as online [2] [3]. -- hroest 15:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Convinced this short film meets WP:NFILM based on it's festival winnings.
Thanks everyone for participating. Unhappy with this decision? If one wishes to renominate this article with another policy-based rationale, they are able to do so. I will defer to other administrators to review it. I will not re-review my decision. Happy holidays. Missvain ( talk) 00:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Ala Kachuu - Take and Run (2020 film)
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- Ala Kachuu - Take and Run (2020 film) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Article about a short film, not
properly referenced as passing
WP:NFILM. The notability claim on offer here is a bunch of film festival awards referenced to the festivals' own
self-published websites or press releases -- but when it comes to film awards, Wikipedia does not just indiscriminately accept every film festival on the planet as an instant notability freebie for a film, and instead ascribes notability only to film awards that can be shown to get media coverage: Oscars, BAFTAs, Cannes, Berlin, TIFF, that sort of thing. If you have to rely on the film festival's own self-published content to source an award win, because media don't consider the award significant enough to report on it as news, then that award is not notable enough to make its winners "inherently" notable for winning it.
The first three footnotes are actually third-party sources, but one is a WordPress blog and one isn't actually about this film, but is here simply to tangentially verify the existence of the social issue that this film is about, so neither of those are helping to establish the notability of this film either. One source, Südkurier (#3) is actually about this film, but one GNG-worthy source isn't enough all by itself.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this film from having to be referenced much, much better than this.
Bearcat (
talk) 18:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Switzerland-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 18:19, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Considering that seven of the festivals listed have their own Wikipedia pages with notable sources and media coverage, does that not make them notable enough?
Although the festivals may be small and are not considered „important enough“ by the common „news“ does not make them insignificant in the world of film festivals. Such as them being BAFTA and Oscars qualifying.
Ala Kachuu - Take and Run has been shown at the Oscar qualifying festivals 11th BronzeLens Film Festival, 45th Cleveland International Film Festival, 16th HollyShorts Film Festival and the 38th Flickers’ Rhode Island Film Festival. The film is now eligible to compete for the next Oscars season by its airing at the LA cinema Laemmle’s Noho 7.
The following third party articles have now been added:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/bellevue/zur-ehe-entfuehrt/story/13912947 https://www.e-journal.ch/region/den-frauen-eine-stimme-geben/ https://issuu.com/swissfilms/docs/fiction_fall_2020/3 https://www.flickfeast.co.uk/shorts/ala-kachuu-2020-short/ http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2021/nov/17/spotlight-15th-annual-alexandria-film-festival/ https://shortsshowcase.splashthat.com https://smeca.ch/news/aka-kachuu-geht-ins-oscar-rennen/ https://happeningnext.com/event/ala-kachuu-take-and-run-cinema-screening-los-angeles-eid3a086leght
Offline sources such as Swiss newspaper articles have also been added:
Matinee im Kino zum Thema Brautraub". Brugg. September 1, 2021. p. 19.
Bracher, Katharina (December 2020). "Gestohlene Bräute". NZZ am Sonntag Magazin (in German). p. 16.
Please note that the ninth (formerly second) footnote is referring to the term ala kachuu and not the film itself. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
EditLiz (
talk •
contribs)
- The question of whether a film festival award counts as a notability claim for a film does not hinge on whether the film festival has a Wikipedia article or not — it hinges on whether you can reference this specific film's win of an award at that film festival to a media source that reports "this specific film has won this specific award at this specific film festival" as a news story, or have to rely on the film festival's own self-published website about itself because the media don't treat that film festival's awards as significant. NFILM #3 is not automatically passed by just every film festival that exists, or even just every film festival that has a Wikipedia article — it's passed only by film festivals whose award presentations get reported by journalists as newsworthy, such as Cannes, Berlin, Toronto or Sundance. Bearcat ( talk) 13:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete: Fails GNG/NFILM. No awards from any major festivals. Kolma8 ( talk) 02:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Less Unless (
talk) 09:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
✗
plicit 10:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep long list of awards from notable festivals with their own articles, independent coverage in major newspapers ( Tages-Anzeiger [1], NZZ Am Sonntag) as well as online [2] [3]. -- hroest 15:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.