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The result was keep. Per consensus that there is suffiicient coverage to meet the main notability guideline. Davewild ( talk) 07:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Ahuvah Gray
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This is an article on a person who gained passing notice for writing an autobiography, but no widespread, indepth coverage. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep: There appears to be significant coverage in multiple independent sources. Yedioth Ahronoth [1]; The Jewish Press [2]. Added {{ Find sources}} for Hebrew spelling. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep In addition to the sources listed by הסרפד, there are additional sources in the article's external links section and more elsewhere. The in-depth coverage about the article's subject from independent reliable and verifiable sources meets the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 21:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per
WP:BIO and
WP:AUTHOR. The handful of hits on Google are interviews with her because she wrote a book, or a book review. This kind of coverage is not significant.
Yoninah (
talk) 21:22, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Apparently
WP:AUTHOR is somewhat stricter then required by
WP:GNG. In any case,
it has been argued that when an autobiography meets the
notability guideline for books (which I believe it does), it is simpler to keep the article about the author then to rewrite it as an article about the book, as they are essentially equivalent.
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 23:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'm also familiar with Ms. Gray, living in Jerusalem, and I can say that she's done absolutely nothing notable since writing her autobiography. The book had no lasting impact, either.
Anne Frank is notable for one book because her diary was translated into dozens of languages and her life is still researched and discussed decades later. Ahuvah Gray does not have lasting notability.
Yoninah (
talk) 23:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't decided whether I believe she is notable. But Yoni -- the reason you gave in your !vote is not a valid reason for a delete !vote. You can refer to WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR alone as reasons for a Keep !vote. But not for a delete !vote. Because if the person meets GNG, it matters not whether they satisfy BIO or AUTHOR. Epeefleche ( talk) 00:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- As for lasting notability, the articles that cover her or her book(s) range over twelve years, hardly ephemeral:
2001: Jewish Journal; 2004: Aish; 2006 Jewish Action (OU); 2012: Yediot Aharonot; 2013: Jewish Press
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 00:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'm also familiar with Ms. Gray, living in Jerusalem, and I can say that she's done absolutely nothing notable since writing her autobiography. The book had no lasting impact, either.
Anne Frank is notable for one book because her diary was translated into dozens of languages and her life is still researched and discussed decades later. Ahuvah Gray does not have lasting notability.
Yoninah (
talk) 23:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Apparently
WP:AUTHOR is somewhat stricter then required by
WP:GNG. In any case,
it has been argued that when an autobiography meets the
notability guideline for books (which I believe it does), it is simpler to keep the article about the author then to rewrite it as an article about the book, as they are essentially equivalent.
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 23:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep because there are sufficient WP:V & WP:RS, some cited in this AfD above by other users that now need to be incorporated into the article and expand it. Added templates {{ Writer-stub}} & {{ Judaism-bio-stub}}. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 04:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment
The lady seems to ahve done nothing but convert to Judaism and write about it. I am not competent to judge how significnat she is, but not everyone who writes and autobiography is notable.Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC) amended Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:35, 14 July 2014 (UTC)- @ Peterkingiron:, FYI she has and is far beyond that, as you can see from the above refs, she has become a renowned international speaker, has attracted much attention from various mainstream Jewish and Israeli news sources, and has become a role-model for both Jews seeking inspiration and for potential converts, all qualifying her for WP:NOTABILITY, so she is definitely not a "run of the mill" convert who just happens to have written a book as well. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 19:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Per consensus that there is suffiicient coverage to meet the main notability guideline. Davewild ( talk) 07:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Ahuvah Gray
- Ahuvah Gray ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
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This is an article on a person who gained passing notice for writing an autobiography, but no widespread, indepth coverage. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:00, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep: There appears to be significant coverage in multiple independent sources. Yedioth Ahronoth [1]; The Jewish Press [2]. Added {{ Find sources}} for Hebrew spelling. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 18:54, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep In addition to the sources listed by הסרפד, there are additional sources in the article's external links section and more elsewhere. The in-depth coverage about the article's subject from independent reliable and verifiable sources meets the notability standard. Alansohn ( talk) 21:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per
WP:BIO and
WP:AUTHOR. The handful of hits on Google are interviews with her because she wrote a book, or a book review. This kind of coverage is not significant.
Yoninah (
talk) 21:22, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Apparently
WP:AUTHOR is somewhat stricter then required by
WP:GNG. In any case,
it has been argued that when an autobiography meets the
notability guideline for books (which I believe it does), it is simpler to keep the article about the author then to rewrite it as an article about the book, as they are essentially equivalent.
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 23:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'm also familiar with Ms. Gray, living in Jerusalem, and I can say that she's done absolutely nothing notable since writing her autobiography. The book had no lasting impact, either.
Anne Frank is notable for one book because her diary was translated into dozens of languages and her life is still researched and discussed decades later. Ahuvah Gray does not have lasting notability.
Yoninah (
talk) 23:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- I haven't decided whether I believe she is notable. But Yoni -- the reason you gave in your !vote is not a valid reason for a delete !vote. You can refer to WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR alone as reasons for a Keep !vote. But not for a delete !vote. Because if the person meets GNG, it matters not whether they satisfy BIO or AUTHOR. Epeefleche ( talk) 00:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- As for lasting notability, the articles that cover her or her book(s) range over twelve years, hardly ephemeral:
2001: Jewish Journal; 2004: Aish; 2006 Jewish Action (OU); 2012: Yediot Aharonot; 2013: Jewish Press
הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 00:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'm also familiar with Ms. Gray, living in Jerusalem, and I can say that she's done absolutely nothing notable since writing her autobiography. The book had no lasting impact, either.
Anne Frank is notable for one book because her diary was translated into dozens of languages and her life is still researched and discussed decades later. Ahuvah Gray does not have lasting notability.
Yoninah (
talk) 23:51, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Apparently
WP:AUTHOR is somewhat stricter then required by
WP:GNG. In any case,
it has been argued that when an autobiography meets the
notability guideline for books (which I believe it does), it is simpler to keep the article about the author then to rewrite it as an article about the book, as they are essentially equivalent.
הסרפד (
call me Hasirpad) 23:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:53, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:53, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep because there are sufficient WP:V & WP:RS, some cited in this AfD above by other users that now need to be incorporated into the article and expand it. Added templates {{ Writer-stub}} & {{ Judaism-bio-stub}}. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 04:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment
The lady seems to ahve done nothing but convert to Judaism and write about it. I am not competent to judge how significnat she is, but not everyone who writes and autobiography is notable.Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:42, 10 July 2014 (UTC) amended Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:35, 14 July 2014 (UTC)- @ Peterkingiron:, FYI she has and is far beyond that, as you can see from the above refs, she has become a renowned international speaker, has attracted much attention from various mainstream Jewish and Israeli news sources, and has become a role-model for both Jews seeking inspiration and for potential converts, all qualifying her for WP:NOTABILITY, so she is definitely not a "run of the mill" convert who just happens to have written a book as well. Thanks, IZAK ( talk) 19:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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