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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 03:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ackeel Applewhaite
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Fails WP:GNG. All current references on article are trivial. Other references on the web such as [1], [2] and [3] all mention the subject at best in a trivial matter, such as a squad listing. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Barbados. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - International footballer with over 20 caps for his country who passes GNG, as you can see here and especially here. The second of these sources even says at the bottom "Please read the full story in today’s Weekend Nation". As you can clearly see, some news in Barbados is covered solely/in more detail in actual print, rather than online - not that you'd care, judging by your recent activity, in which you have targeted athletes from very small nations where actual print is used more than online sources for news. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 03:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- And within minutes, I'm able to find
another source with a lot of detail on the player. Clear disregard for
WP:BEFORE in this instance, but I'm genuinely concerned that the nominator does not care.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first source mentions the subject twice, both trivial mentions, the article therefore doesn't qualify as part of GNG for this subject. Are you confusing the names? Regardless 1-2 sources, is not "substantial coverage".
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
03:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean "Are you confusing the names?"? Also,
WP:SPORTBASIC states "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". There are two here, and I argue that this meets GNG.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first article has another similar name as the primary topic of the article. The subject of this discussion is mentioned twice, both trivially in that article. For me "Significant coverage" means more than two sources, I guess that is something that should be quantified and also a ranking of what takes precedence in discussions. My understanding is WP:GNG is the go to for discussions.
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
04:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, it was 4am and yes, I missed the fact that the first article was referring to (presumably) his brother. I stand by my claim that Ackeel Applewhaite is notable, and we will see who the community side with.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
04:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Well, how about for starters, you ratchet back your all-too-frequent accusations of sinister motive, if you aren't prepared to take pains not to make them in error, and you certainly aren't prepared to find adequate sourcing for the subjects you claim are notable absent them? For my part, I am not seeing the multiple, independent sources providing
WP:SIGCOV to the subject that the GNG requires. Where are they?
Ravenswing
15:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've given my reasons above for why I believe Applewhaite is notable above, and I ask you to be
WP:CIVIL with your tone. I don't appreciate the condescending nature of your response, nor do I appreciate the unfounded accusation that I frequently accuse others of certain behaviours - I rarely interact with others on this website.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
18:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pot meet kettle. You have accused me on multiple occasions of having a "sinister motive". Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 19:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've given my reasons above for why I believe Applewhaite is notable above, and I ask you to be
WP:CIVIL with your tone. I don't appreciate the condescending nature of your response, nor do I appreciate the unfounded accusation that I frequently accuse others of certain behaviours - I rarely interact with others on this website.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
18:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Well, how about for starters, you ratchet back your all-too-frequent accusations of sinister motive, if you aren't prepared to take pains not to make them in error, and you certainly aren't prepared to find adequate sourcing for the subjects you claim are notable absent them? For my part, I am not seeing the multiple, independent sources providing
WP:SIGCOV to the subject that the GNG requires. Where are they?
Ravenswing
15:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, it was 4am and yes, I missed the fact that the first article was referring to (presumably) his brother. I stand by my claim that Ackeel Applewhaite is notable, and we will see who the community side with.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
04:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first article has another similar name as the primary topic of the article. The subject of this discussion is mentioned twice, both trivially in that article. For me "Significant coverage" means more than two sources, I guess that is something that should be quantified and also a ranking of what takes precedence in discussions. My understanding is WP:GNG is the go to for discussions.
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
04:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean "Are you confusing the names?"? Also,
WP:SPORTBASIC states "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". There are two here, and I argue that this meets GNG.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first source mentions the subject twice, both trivial mentions, the article therefore doesn't qualify as part of GNG for this subject. Are you confusing the names? Regardless 1-2 sources, is not "substantial coverage".
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
03:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- And within minutes, I'm able to find
another source with a lot of detail on the player. Clear disregard for
WP:BEFORE in this instance, but I'm genuinely concerned that the nominator does not care.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. Of the three sources presented here, this one is a brief mention and actually has more info on Andre Applewhaite. This one is from the Barbados Football Association and thus is a WP:PRIMARY source. The third one might be significant but is locked behind a paywall. Even if we show good faith and assume it is significant coverage, it would still need more as GNG requires multiple sources of significant coverage AND that coverage would have to be from another publication than nationnews.com as two sources from the same publication are counted as one when it comes to GNG. During my search, including in Barbadian sources, I was unable to find anything of significance. This is a modern day athlete from an english speaking country so if he was truly notable, the sources would probably be found online. Alvaldi ( talk) 20:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete no evidence of passing WP:GNG. Did a search myself and all I got, apart from the ones mentioned above, are just passing mentions. -- Angelo ( talk) 23:54, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Reference 4, even not counting the content behind the paywall, already seems to be SIGCOV. WP:GNG says "multiple sources are generally expected", which implies that this is not a hard rule and there can be exceptions. Given the small size of Barbados, the prominence of the Daily Nation (the nation's largest newspaper), and the likely great depth of coverage on that page, I think an exception is warranted in this case. Furthermore, I also see quite a bit of coverage on the site loopnews.com ( this article, mentioning him as the U20 team captain, for example). EternalNomad ( talk) 04:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by David. Giant Snowman 10:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It seems that there are better sources that can be included in this particular article, but doing a simple google news search shows many more references and this person appears to pass WP:GNG PaulPachad ( talk) 16:55, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep coverage passes GNG.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 17:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. RL0919 ( talk) 03:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Ackeel Applewhaite
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Fails WP:GNG. All current references on article are trivial. Other references on the web such as [1], [2] and [3] all mention the subject at best in a trivial matter, such as a squad listing. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Barbados. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - International footballer with over 20 caps for his country who passes GNG, as you can see here and especially here. The second of these sources even says at the bottom "Please read the full story in today’s Weekend Nation". As you can clearly see, some news in Barbados is covered solely/in more detail in actual print, rather than online - not that you'd care, judging by your recent activity, in which you have targeted athletes from very small nations where actual print is used more than online sources for news. Davidlofgren1996 ( talk) 03:31, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- And within minutes, I'm able to find
another source with a lot of detail on the player. Clear disregard for
WP:BEFORE in this instance, but I'm genuinely concerned that the nominator does not care.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first source mentions the subject twice, both trivial mentions, the article therefore doesn't qualify as part of GNG for this subject. Are you confusing the names? Regardless 1-2 sources, is not "substantial coverage".
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
03:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean "Are you confusing the names?"? Also,
WP:SPORTBASIC states "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". There are two here, and I argue that this meets GNG.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first article has another similar name as the primary topic of the article. The subject of this discussion is mentioned twice, both trivially in that article. For me "Significant coverage" means more than two sources, I guess that is something that should be quantified and also a ranking of what takes precedence in discussions. My understanding is WP:GNG is the go to for discussions.
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
04:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, it was 4am and yes, I missed the fact that the first article was referring to (presumably) his brother. I stand by my claim that Ackeel Applewhaite is notable, and we will see who the community side with.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
04:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Well, how about for starters, you ratchet back your all-too-frequent accusations of sinister motive, if you aren't prepared to take pains not to make them in error, and you certainly aren't prepared to find adequate sourcing for the subjects you claim are notable absent them? For my part, I am not seeing the multiple, independent sources providing
WP:SIGCOV to the subject that the GNG requires. Where are they?
Ravenswing
15:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've given my reasons above for why I believe Applewhaite is notable above, and I ask you to be
WP:CIVIL with your tone. I don't appreciate the condescending nature of your response, nor do I appreciate the unfounded accusation that I frequently accuse others of certain behaviours - I rarely interact with others on this website.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
18:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Pot meet kettle. You have accused me on multiple occasions of having a "sinister motive". Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 19:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I've given my reasons above for why I believe Applewhaite is notable above, and I ask you to be
WP:CIVIL with your tone. I don't appreciate the condescending nature of your response, nor do I appreciate the unfounded accusation that I frequently accuse others of certain behaviours - I rarely interact with others on this website.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
18:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: Well, how about for starters, you ratchet back your all-too-frequent accusations of sinister motive, if you aren't prepared to take pains not to make them in error, and you certainly aren't prepared to find adequate sourcing for the subjects you claim are notable absent them? For my part, I am not seeing the multiple, independent sources providing
WP:SIGCOV to the subject that the GNG requires. Where are they?
Ravenswing
15:29, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies, it was 4am and yes, I missed the fact that the first article was referring to (presumably) his brother. I stand by my claim that Ackeel Applewhaite is notable, and we will see who the community side with.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
04:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first article has another similar name as the primary topic of the article. The subject of this discussion is mentioned twice, both trivially in that article. For me "Significant coverage" means more than two sources, I guess that is something that should be quantified and also a ranking of what takes precedence in discussions. My understanding is WP:GNG is the go to for discussions.
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
04:01, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- What do you mean "Are you confusing the names?"? Also,
WP:SPORTBASIC states "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources". There are two here, and I argue that this meets GNG.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- The first source mentions the subject twice, both trivial mentions, the article therefore doesn't qualify as part of GNG for this subject. Are you confusing the names? Regardless 1-2 sources, is not "substantial coverage".
Sportsfan 1234 (
talk)
03:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- And within minutes, I'm able to find
another source with a lot of detail on the player. Clear disregard for
WP:BEFORE in this instance, but I'm genuinely concerned that the nominator does not care.
Davidlofgren1996 (
talk)
03:35, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:59, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. Of the three sources presented here, this one is a brief mention and actually has more info on Andre Applewhaite. This one is from the Barbados Football Association and thus is a WP:PRIMARY source. The third one might be significant but is locked behind a paywall. Even if we show good faith and assume it is significant coverage, it would still need more as GNG requires multiple sources of significant coverage AND that coverage would have to be from another publication than nationnews.com as two sources from the same publication are counted as one when it comes to GNG. During my search, including in Barbadian sources, I was unable to find anything of significance. This is a modern day athlete from an english speaking country so if he was truly notable, the sources would probably be found online. Alvaldi ( talk) 20:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Delete no evidence of passing WP:GNG. Did a search myself and all I got, apart from the ones mentioned above, are just passing mentions. -- Angelo ( talk) 23:54, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Reference 4, even not counting the content behind the paywall, already seems to be SIGCOV. WP:GNG says "multiple sources are generally expected", which implies that this is not a hard rule and there can be exceptions. Given the small size of Barbados, the prominence of the Daily Nation (the nation's largest newspaper), and the likely great depth of coverage on that page, I think an exception is warranted in this case. Furthermore, I also see quite a bit of coverage on the site loopnews.com ( this article, mentioning him as the U20 team captain, for example). EternalNomad ( talk) 04:43, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per sources found by David. Giant Snowman 10:16, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It seems that there are better sources that can be included in this particular article, but doing a simple google news search shows many more references and this person appears to pass WP:GNG PaulPachad ( talk) 16:55, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Keep coverage passes GNG.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 17:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.