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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) HindWiki Connect 16:03, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
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This event appears insufficiently notable to deserve its own page. The Emperor will abdicate due to old age and to pass the title to his son. This isn't, say, the forced abdication of Napoleon. The emperor is a figurehead and this doesn't have any major impact on Japanese government. This event can be mentioned in the relevant biographies and other Japanese pages as needed. – Muboshgu ( talk) 20:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu ( talk) 20:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep They had to change around a whole lot of legislation to allow this, and the first abdication of title in a fifth of a millennium is a pretty big deal and unprecedented in the modern era. We've got the sources for this for sure. Nate • ( chatter) 22:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep You have to remember that the 1989 change of reign was a HUUUGE deal that cost nearly a billion dollars. This is something unprecedented in the modern era. As Mrschimpf said above, they had to change a whole lot of legislation to do this, and it's a HUUUUGE deal in Japan. They've scheduled it in the middle of the " Golden Week holiday season, so this is going to be one of the largest celebrations Japan has ever seen. The social event of the decade. Not notable! Were the abdications of the Pope and the King of Spain notable? Heck Yeah!!!!!!! Japan's going to shut down for a week because of it. It's notable as notable can be. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 23:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I agree. It is A++ notable. Top of the list, gold standard, 136 hard bitcoins in golden bag notable. scope_creep ( talk) 00:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Weak Keep there's a WP:CRYSTAL argument to delete this. There's also a WP:NOTNEWS argument. That said, better to have the details here than on Akihito or Naruhito, Crown Prince of Japan. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 00:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Considering there hasn't been a change of reign at all in 30 years (by the time this is complete), and there hasn't been a change of reign that does not involve The king is dead, long live the king in over a century, this is significant. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 15:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
After thinking about the objections a bit, I have changed the title to Japanese imperial transition, 2019. This will permit us to include the the "Farewell Jubilee" in January, the enthronement ceremony of the new Emperor in May and all the other events like that there in what's going to be remembered as "the mother of all Golden Weeks." I hope this helps Arglebargle79 ([[User talk:Arglebargle79|t
- Delete, as this event is scheduled to occur about 17 months from now. Should the emperor die before that date? this planned event becomes moot. GoodDay ( talk) 15:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)alk]]) 15:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
GoodDay Please remember that we have articles for events such as the 1940 Summer Olympics. If the old man dies next year and next year ONLY, then we will reconsider, but there's no reason to get rid of it and then have to start from scratch. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 16:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. , as a major event reasonably likely to occur--and even if he should die in the interval, the planning for the event and the discussion of it will still be enough for notability. And this would be true even without the change of title. DGG ( talk ) 21:57, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - per DGG - many high-quality, in-depth sources directly on point. Neutrality talk 22:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I don't think CRYSTAL applies as it seems like it's pretty much going to happen and the details are more or less in place. Outside of CRYSTAL or NOTNEWS arguments, it's not clear why this would be here. South Nashua ( talk) 22:09, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) HindWiki Connect 16:03, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
- Abdication of Emperor Akihito ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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This event appears insufficiently notable to deserve its own page. The Emperor will abdicate due to old age and to pass the title to his son. This isn't, say, the forced abdication of Napoleon. The emperor is a figurehead and this doesn't have any major impact on Japanese government. This event can be mentioned in the relevant biographies and other Japanese pages as needed. – Muboshgu ( talk) 20:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. – Muboshgu ( talk) 20:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep They had to change around a whole lot of legislation to allow this, and the first abdication of title in a fifth of a millennium is a pretty big deal and unprecedented in the modern era. We've got the sources for this for sure. Nate • ( chatter) 22:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep You have to remember that the 1989 change of reign was a HUUUGE deal that cost nearly a billion dollars. This is something unprecedented in the modern era. As Mrschimpf said above, they had to change a whole lot of legislation to do this, and it's a HUUUUGE deal in Japan. They've scheduled it in the middle of the " Golden Week holiday season, so this is going to be one of the largest celebrations Japan has ever seen. The social event of the decade. Not notable! Were the abdications of the Pope and the King of Spain notable? Heck Yeah!!!!!!! Japan's going to shut down for a week because of it. It's notable as notable can be. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 23:24, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I agree. It is A++ notable. Top of the list, gold standard, 136 hard bitcoins in golden bag notable. scope_creep ( talk) 00:40, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Weak Keep there's a WP:CRYSTAL argument to delete this. There's also a WP:NOTNEWS argument. That said, better to have the details here than on Akihito or Naruhito, Crown Prince of Japan. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 00:52, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Considering there hasn't been a change of reign at all in 30 years (by the time this is complete), and there hasn't been a change of reign that does not involve The king is dead, long live the king in over a century, this is significant. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 15:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
After thinking about the objections a bit, I have changed the title to Japanese imperial transition, 2019. This will permit us to include the the "Farewell Jubilee" in January, the enthronement ceremony of the new Emperor in May and all the other events like that there in what's going to be remembered as "the mother of all Golden Weeks." I hope this helps Arglebargle79 ([[User talk:Arglebargle79|t
- Delete, as this event is scheduled to occur about 17 months from now. Should the emperor die before that date? this planned event becomes moot. GoodDay ( talk) 15:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)alk]]) 15:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
GoodDay Please remember that we have articles for events such as the 1940 Summer Olympics. If the old man dies next year and next year ONLY, then we will reconsider, but there's no reason to get rid of it and then have to start from scratch. Arglebargle79 ( talk) 16:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. , as a major event reasonably likely to occur--and even if he should die in the interval, the planning for the event and the discussion of it will still be enough for notability. And this would be true even without the change of title. DGG ( talk ) 21:57, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep - per DGG - many high-quality, in-depth sources directly on point. Neutrality talk 22:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
- Keep I don't think CRYSTAL applies as it seems like it's pretty much going to happen and the details are more or less in place. Outside of CRYSTAL or NOTNEWS arguments, it's not clear why this would be here. South Nashua ( talk) 22:09, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
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