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The result was keep. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:36, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Aatifi
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All three sources are from different pages of an art book. That art book is published by the same publisher for which the subject worked/works for. He seems to be non-notable. Dial911 ( talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment The "art book" is an exhibition catalog for a solo exhibition at the Pergamon Museum. I don't see any indication that the artist is affiliated with the publisher. There are also four additional sources listed in the bibliography. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 23:29, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Those additional sources are exhibition catalogs. Exhibition catalog has a purpose of promoting particular/respective exhibition. I don't think it would be deemed as a secondary and reliable source that is devoid of any conflict of interest with respect to that exhibition and its participants.
Dial911 (
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23:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note that there are also additional references in the corresponding German article (though I don't read German). I also added some additional (German) news articles under further reading.
Calliopejen1 (
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00:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Even I don't read German, but these web pages can easily be translated to English on Chrome. The first additional reference is his own website, the second reference is again a press release from Pergamon Museum about the exhibition. Only the third reference is an art magazine. I am not sure if this article would survive only on the basis of this art magazine (I don't know if this magazine is really notable in Germany either).
Dial911 (
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00:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- FYI, there are also additional print sources in the German article. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:39, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Even I don't read German, but these web pages can easily be translated to English on Chrome. The first additional reference is his own website, the second reference is again a press release from Pergamon Museum about the exhibition. Only the third reference is an art magazine. I am not sure if this article would survive only on the basis of this art magazine (I don't know if this magazine is really notable in Germany either).
Dial911 (
talk)
00:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note that there are also additional references in the corresponding German article (though I don't read German). I also added some additional (German) news articles under further reading.
Calliopejen1 (
talk)
00:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Those additional sources are exhibition catalogs. Exhibition catalog has a purpose of promoting particular/respective exhibition. I don't think it would be deemed as a secondary and reliable source that is devoid of any conflict of interest with respect to that exhibition and its participants.
Dial911 (
talk)
23:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete lacks independent, in-depth WP:SIGCOV. I searched and could not find any additional sources beyond the book mentioned, which is the single ref supporting the article. 104.163.150.200 ( talk) 05:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep A solo exhibition in the Museum für Islamische Kunst is a form of exceptionally rare and serious critical attention that would trump almost any coverage in independent, reliable sources. Cases like this are why WP:ARTISTS exists. There are sufficient sources to sustain an article. The nomination for deletion hinges on the assertion that the subject works for the publisher of a book that is used as the only source. Presumably, that is Aatifi – News from Afghanistan, published by Kerber verlag. There are two problems with that: 1) there are more sources cited under Bibliography (albeit not all as inline sources, but that is not a requirement). 2) I see no evidence that Aatifi is employed by Kerber. In fact the lists of all their employees does not mention Aatafi. The assertion made by the nominator appears to be factually incorrect. Vexations ( talk) 18:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep There is enough evidence he passes WP:ARTIST. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 14:18, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:ARTIST per above exhibition. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 19:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Many indications of a serious, long-term commitment to the visual arts. It is a career that has evolved over time and even geography from Afghanistan to Germany. The exhibition schedule suggests substantial recognition by opinion-makers in the area of visual art. It seems the artwork of Aatifi has been shown at the Berlin State Museums. Bus stop ( talk) 01:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
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The result was keep. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:36, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
Aatifi
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All three sources are from different pages of an art book. That art book is published by the same publisher for which the subject worked/works for. He seems to be non-notable. Dial911 ( talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Comment The "art book" is an exhibition catalog for a solo exhibition at the Pergamon Museum. I don't see any indication that the artist is affiliated with the publisher. There are also four additional sources listed in the bibliography. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 23:29, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Those additional sources are exhibition catalogs. Exhibition catalog has a purpose of promoting particular/respective exhibition. I don't think it would be deemed as a secondary and reliable source that is devoid of any conflict of interest with respect to that exhibition and its participants.
Dial911 (
talk)
23:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note that there are also additional references in the corresponding German article (though I don't read German). I also added some additional (German) news articles under further reading.
Calliopejen1 (
talk)
00:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Even I don't read German, but these web pages can easily be translated to English on Chrome. The first additional reference is his own website, the second reference is again a press release from Pergamon Museum about the exhibition. Only the third reference is an art magazine. I am not sure if this article would survive only on the basis of this art magazine (I don't know if this magazine is really notable in Germany either).
Dial911 (
talk)
00:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- FYI, there are also additional print sources in the German article. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 00:39, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Even I don't read German, but these web pages can easily be translated to English on Chrome. The first additional reference is his own website, the second reference is again a press release from Pergamon Museum about the exhibition. Only the third reference is an art magazine. I am not sure if this article would survive only on the basis of this art magazine (I don't know if this magazine is really notable in Germany either).
Dial911 (
talk)
00:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note that there are also additional references in the corresponding German article (though I don't read German). I also added some additional (German) news articles under further reading.
Calliopejen1 (
talk)
00:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Those additional sources are exhibition catalogs. Exhibition catalog has a purpose of promoting particular/respective exhibition. I don't think it would be deemed as a secondary and reliable source that is devoid of any conflict of interest with respect to that exhibition and its participants.
Dial911 (
talk)
23:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
- Delete lacks independent, in-depth WP:SIGCOV. I searched and could not find any additional sources beyond the book mentioned, which is the single ref supporting the article. 104.163.150.200 ( talk) 05:27, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. MT Train Talk 07:05, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Afghanistan-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 08:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 08:25, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:50, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep A solo exhibition in the Museum für Islamische Kunst is a form of exceptionally rare and serious critical attention that would trump almost any coverage in independent, reliable sources. Cases like this are why WP:ARTISTS exists. There are sufficient sources to sustain an article. The nomination for deletion hinges on the assertion that the subject works for the publisher of a book that is used as the only source. Presumably, that is Aatifi – News from Afghanistan, published by Kerber verlag. There are two problems with that: 1) there are more sources cited under Bibliography (albeit not all as inline sources, but that is not a requirement). 2) I see no evidence that Aatifi is employed by Kerber. In fact the lists of all their employees does not mention Aatafi. The assertion made by the nominator appears to be factually incorrect. Vexations ( talk) 18:42, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep There is enough evidence he passes WP:ARTIST. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 14:18, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Meets WP:ARTIST per above exhibition. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 19:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Many indications of a serious, long-term commitment to the visual arts. It is a career that has evolved over time and even geography from Afghanistan to Germany. The exhibition schedule suggests substantial recognition by opinion-makers in the area of visual art. It seems the artwork of Aatifi has been shown at the Berlin State Museums. Bus stop ( talk) 01:31, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.