The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was delete. While the participants are evenly divided, I'm more persuaded by the opinions and experience of those advocating Delete while almost all of those editors suggesting we keep this article are inexperienced, have low edit counts and don't seem to understand SIGCOV. The article creator has a version of this piece in their sandbox but if they would like to work on this article in Draft space, let me know. But be aware that a swift move back to main space will result in a second article deletion. LizRead!Talk!04:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Appears promotional for a non-notable businessman, nothing found in Gnews or other sources. Google only returns his personal website and various social media accounts. Discussed technology in various sources, nothing talking about him as a person. Also created by a SPA with no edits outside of this article.
Oaktree b (
talk)
02:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Also, I just did a check, I also don't see any social media links or links to personal websites, or promoting anything really. Can you point to where those are?
Keep: I’m kind of confused on the reasoning for deletion… did you get a chance to check the reference links?
Just researched this more and it looks like Aaron's accomplishments meet
WP:CORP criteria and fits the guidelines of
WP:NBUSINESSPERSON and related rules on companies.
Last month it looks like Aaron judged the Miss Earth international beauty pageant, hitting
WP:LASTING criteria as the pageant is a long-running and reputable organization.
I actually found some stuff that’s not there and maybe should be included on the page- It looks like there's a new article about Aaron producing an AI film out (I just found that was written today. I don’t know much about the topic so I don’t feel comfortable adding it myself), but it seems to hit
WP:ANYBIO requirement:
Also, it looks like he went to University of Florida and was listed as one of The 20 Most Notable University of Florida Alumni in Business which meets
WP:GNG guidelines.
Leaning keep I am very inclined to believe that the person in question is notable largely due to the fact that the person is mentioned so often. Granted that yes, I would want to see more depth in terms of mentions, but I would imagine the person would have to be notable given the available sources and that it's not unusual to write an article through piecing together information from various sources. --
Sky Harbor(
talk)03:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Everything I can find is about the technology, not the person, and in some of the sources here he isn't mentioned. There is an article for
Made In Space which I think is sufficient for the topic.
Lamona (
talk)
17:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
One of those is a single paragraph, the other is an interview. Interviews are not third-party sources. The former does not provide enough biographical information for an article.
Lamona (
talk)
14:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment Just as an aside, I'm not stating this as a potential discussion closer, but being a beauty pageant judge does not help establish anyone's notability. I think it actually might cause readers to take this biography less seriously. LizRead!Talk!05:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)reply
I think being a beauty pageant judge is just one of the factors that leans towards notability. The pageant industry has a very large fan base and has been part of so many countries culture for centuries. In fact, there are 54 WP pages in the International beauty pageants category alone.
Mollymiller (
talk)
13:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep: - In agreement to Sky Harbor. The subject's involvement in various projects and organizations that continuously makes an impact in technology, entrepreneurship and his recent involvement in the field of arts/cinema should weigh greatly in keeping a separate article for him.
Also,
WP:WHYCITE enables users to verify information on WP through citations and references. On that note, I would rather acknowledge someone being mentioned in more than 10 references from different sources than just one dedicated reference with nothing to cross reference it with. Technically, Aaron Kemmer meets both.
Delete The coverage is very weak in the form of either interviews or passing mentions, and is always in the context of the companies he co-founded, whereas the notability is not
WP:INHERITED. I did some cleanup on the article that was promotional with obvious
WP:COI issues. Seeing multiple users that are voting in this AfD but have little no editing experiences is also very suspicious and something that should be noted during the closure. In fact, Mollymiller/Prizms08/Gillianreyesv all started their vote in a same way (Keep: with blank spacing). I was unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources, fails
WP:BIO.
Jovanmilic97 (
talk)
19:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. While the participants are evenly divided, I'm more persuaded by the opinions and experience of those advocating Delete while almost all of those editors suggesting we keep this article are inexperienced, have low edit counts and don't seem to understand SIGCOV. The article creator has a version of this piece in their sandbox but if they would like to work on this article in Draft space, let me know. But be aware that a swift move back to main space will result in a second article deletion. LizRead!Talk!04:39, 15 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Appears promotional for a non-notable businessman, nothing found in Gnews or other sources. Google only returns his personal website and various social media accounts. Discussed technology in various sources, nothing talking about him as a person. Also created by a SPA with no edits outside of this article.
Oaktree b (
talk)
02:49, 18 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Also, I just did a check, I also don't see any social media links or links to personal websites, or promoting anything really. Can you point to where those are?
Keep: I’m kind of confused on the reasoning for deletion… did you get a chance to check the reference links?
Just researched this more and it looks like Aaron's accomplishments meet
WP:CORP criteria and fits the guidelines of
WP:NBUSINESSPERSON and related rules on companies.
Last month it looks like Aaron judged the Miss Earth international beauty pageant, hitting
WP:LASTING criteria as the pageant is a long-running and reputable organization.
I actually found some stuff that’s not there and maybe should be included on the page- It looks like there's a new article about Aaron producing an AI film out (I just found that was written today. I don’t know much about the topic so I don’t feel comfortable adding it myself), but it seems to hit
WP:ANYBIO requirement:
Also, it looks like he went to University of Florida and was listed as one of The 20 Most Notable University of Florida Alumni in Business which meets
WP:GNG guidelines.
Leaning keep I am very inclined to believe that the person in question is notable largely due to the fact that the person is mentioned so often. Granted that yes, I would want to see more depth in terms of mentions, but I would imagine the person would have to be notable given the available sources and that it's not unusual to write an article through piecing together information from various sources. --
Sky Harbor(
talk)03:23, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete Everything I can find is about the technology, not the person, and in some of the sources here he isn't mentioned. There is an article for
Made In Space which I think is sufficient for the topic.
Lamona (
talk)
17:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)reply
One of those is a single paragraph, the other is an interview. Interviews are not third-party sources. The former does not provide enough biographical information for an article.
Lamona (
talk)
14:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment Just as an aside, I'm not stating this as a potential discussion closer, but being a beauty pageant judge does not help establish anyone's notability. I think it actually might cause readers to take this biography less seriously. LizRead!Talk!05:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)reply
I think being a beauty pageant judge is just one of the factors that leans towards notability. The pageant industry has a very large fan base and has been part of so many countries culture for centuries. In fact, there are 54 WP pages in the International beauty pageants category alone.
Mollymiller (
talk)
13:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep: - In agreement to Sky Harbor. The subject's involvement in various projects and organizations that continuously makes an impact in technology, entrepreneurship and his recent involvement in the field of arts/cinema should weigh greatly in keeping a separate article for him.
Also,
WP:WHYCITE enables users to verify information on WP through citations and references. On that note, I would rather acknowledge someone being mentioned in more than 10 references from different sources than just one dedicated reference with nothing to cross reference it with. Technically, Aaron Kemmer meets both.
Delete The coverage is very weak in the form of either interviews or passing mentions, and is always in the context of the companies he co-founded, whereas the notability is not
WP:INHERITED. I did some cleanup on the article that was promotional with obvious
WP:COI issues. Seeing multiple users that are voting in this AfD but have little no editing experiences is also very suspicious and something that should be noted during the closure. In fact, Mollymiller/Prizms08/Gillianreyesv all started their vote in a same way (Keep: with blank spacing). I was unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources, fails
WP:BIO.
Jovanmilic97 (
talk)
19:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.