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The result was keep. Overwhelming Keep consensus. Closing a day early under the WP:SNOW keep. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88( talk) 14:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
A. D. Kenamond
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Appears to fail WP:NGRIDIRON, or at least ought to fail WP:GNG. Endymion.12 ( talk) 00:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC) Endymion.12 ( talk) 00:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:GNG. I also want to note the second reference here, the book reference - he appears to have written the book, so it can't count towards notability. SportingFlyer T· C 03:16, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete With all due respect to Mr. Kenamond, he does not have enough sources to establish notability. TH1980 ( talk) 06:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Delete Not enough coverage exists for this coach. SL93 ( talk) 20:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Keep - this is a good stub. I don't think we can fault the fact that there are no internet articles from 1970 about him. Cheerio042 ( talk) 20:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Striking blocked sock Britishfinance ( talk) 10:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)- Delete coach at a tiny school is not a notable position. Reywas92 Talk 21:42, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep normally we keep head college football coaches, especially from that era. There was much less disparity in the levels of the programs in 1900s through 1920s. I'm not shocked that it is hard to find online sources, but there's certainly verification that the article is real.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 18:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Citation needed. Preposterous to assume automatic notability for anyone affiliated with very small programs, especially seeing we don't even have an article for either team's football programs in general. I doubt there is even much in terms of newspaper sources from that era unless you have evidence it's any more than the equivalent lack of coverage today.
Reywas92
Talk 19:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's a typical outcome. Research tends to require offline sources that lead to online archives and just takes some time, but AFD "greases the wheels" and researchers turn it up--and recent article improvements point to that. In 1900s and even 1920s, all of college football as at the "same level" (the NCAA didn't create divisions until 1956, and the NAIA wasn't formed until 1937 and only played Men's Basketball until 1952). As for the lack of team articles, hey Wikipedia is not being written in an orderly fashion. The essay WP:CFBCOACH covers a lot of the details.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 21:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Citation needed. Preposterous to assume automatic notability for anyone affiliated with very small programs, especially seeing we don't even have an article for either team's football programs in general. I doubt there is even much in terms of newspaper sources from that era unless you have evidence it's any more than the equivalent lack of coverage today.
Reywas92
Talk 19:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per additions by @ Cbl62: demonstrate notability, Wikipedia:NOTABILITYISNOTTEMPORARY, and there should be articles about the programs.– UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 14:34, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per UCO2009bluejay and Paulmcdonald. Jweiss11 ( talk) 16:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I added several references regarding the subject and created sections for readability (still needs work). The subject receives more than trivial coverage or passing mention in several references. The coverage of a Coach in 1906 exists and that is quite surprising. It is however admittedly: thin. In any event the subject passes WP:GNG The subject went on to become a college instructor and administrator and then a short stint as the Head football coach of a college. The subject even has a building named after him at Shepherd College. Also went on to serve as a judge. WP:NOTTEMPORARY The subject was notable enough in his time, and once a subject is notable it is always notable. WP:NOTPAPER WP:ATD Lightburst ( talk) 17:46, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Article now passes the general notability guidelines. Dream Focus 18:24, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per the sourcing and improvements made to the article made since this AfD was opened. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 21:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I am not yet convinced that every college football coach at every small college is sufficiently notable to warrant a stand-alone Wikipedia article, but I am persuaded here that Kenamond's various roles as a college dean for 24 years, state court judge for four years, and head football coach for a total of eight seasons at two colleges are enough. It is always hard to find coverage for persons whose era of significance pre-dates the Internet era (in this case by several decades), but there is some non-trivial coverage cited in the article, and I am persuaded that a search of hard copy newspaper archives for West Virginia would turn up a lot more. Cbl62 ( talk) 00:24, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per improvements and additions by Cbl62 and Lightburst. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 04:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Well sourced. WP:NEXIST. WP:Not paper. Nominator ignored Wp:BEFOREand WP:PRESERVE. Well covered by WP:ACADEMIC and WP:GNG. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Overwhelming Keep consensus. Closing a day early under the WP:SNOW keep. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88( talk) 14:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
A. D. Kenamond
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Appears to fail WP:NGRIDIRON, or at least ought to fail WP:GNG. Endymion.12 ( talk) 00:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC) Endymion.12 ( talk) 00:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:45, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 01:45, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:46, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG. I also want to note the second reference here, the book reference - he appears to have written the book, so it can't count towards notability. SportingFlyer T· C 03:16, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete With all due respect to Mr. Kenamond, he does not have enough sources to establish notability. TH1980 ( talk) 06:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Delete Not enough coverage exists for this coach. SL93 ( talk) 20:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Keep - this is a good stub. I don't think we can fault the fact that there are no internet articles from 1970 about him. Cheerio042 ( talk) 20:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)Striking blocked sock Britishfinance ( talk) 10:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)- Delete coach at a tiny school is not a notable position. Reywas92 Talk 21:42, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep normally we keep head college football coaches, especially from that era. There was much less disparity in the levels of the programs in 1900s through 1920s. I'm not shocked that it is hard to find online sources, but there's certainly verification that the article is real.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 18:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Citation needed. Preposterous to assume automatic notability for anyone affiliated with very small programs, especially seeing we don't even have an article for either team's football programs in general. I doubt there is even much in terms of newspaper sources from that era unless you have evidence it's any more than the equivalent lack of coverage today.
Reywas92
Talk 19:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's a typical outcome. Research tends to require offline sources that lead to online archives and just takes some time, but AFD "greases the wheels" and researchers turn it up--and recent article improvements point to that. In 1900s and even 1920s, all of college football as at the "same level" (the NCAA didn't create divisions until 1956, and the NAIA wasn't formed until 1937 and only played Men's Basketball until 1952). As for the lack of team articles, hey Wikipedia is not being written in an orderly fashion. The essay WP:CFBCOACH covers a lot of the details.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 21:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Citation needed. Preposterous to assume automatic notability for anyone affiliated with very small programs, especially seeing we don't even have an article for either team's football programs in general. I doubt there is even much in terms of newspaper sources from that era unless you have evidence it's any more than the equivalent lack of coverage today.
Reywas92
Talk 19:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per additions by @ Cbl62: demonstrate notability, Wikipedia:NOTABILITYISNOTTEMPORARY, and there should be articles about the programs.– UCO2009bluejay ( talk) 14:34, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per UCO2009bluejay and Paulmcdonald. Jweiss11 ( talk) 16:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep I added several references regarding the subject and created sections for readability (still needs work). The subject receives more than trivial coverage or passing mention in several references. The coverage of a Coach in 1906 exists and that is quite surprising. It is however admittedly: thin. In any event the subject passes WP:GNG The subject went on to become a college instructor and administrator and then a short stint as the Head football coach of a college. The subject even has a building named after him at Shepherd College. Also went on to serve as a judge. WP:NOTTEMPORARY The subject was notable enough in his time, and once a subject is notable it is always notable. WP:NOTPAPER WP:ATD Lightburst ( talk) 17:46, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Article now passes the general notability guidelines. Dream Focus 18:24, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per the sourcing and improvements made to the article made since this AfD was opened. Ejgreen77 ( talk) 21:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. I am not yet convinced that every college football coach at every small college is sufficiently notable to warrant a stand-alone Wikipedia article, but I am persuaded here that Kenamond's various roles as a college dean for 24 years, state court judge for four years, and head football coach for a total of eight seasons at two colleges are enough. It is always hard to find coverage for persons whose era of significance pre-dates the Internet era (in this case by several decades), but there is some non-trivial coverage cited in the article, and I am persuaded that a search of hard copy newspaper archives for West Virginia would turn up a lot more. Cbl62 ( talk) 00:24, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per improvements and additions by Cbl62 and Lightburst. PCN02WPS ( talk | contribs) 04:47, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Well sourced. WP:NEXIST. WP:Not paper. Nominator ignored Wp:BEFOREand WP:PRESERVE. Well covered by WP:ACADEMIC and WP:GNG. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
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