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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 07:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
2020–21 Békéscsaba 1912 Előre season
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 18:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Procedural keep Nope, the Hungarian second division receives enough secondary press coverage that these seasons likely pass WP:GNG and each needs to be considered on their own merits. WP:NSEASONS is not exclusionary. SportingFlyer T· C 13:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- The only one that might scrape through is Debrecen, given that it was a bit of a shock that they got relegated in the first place. I'd be highly surprised if there were more than routine match reports for the rest.
Spiderone
17:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Where are these alleged significantly detailed sources?
Giant
Snowman
11:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Picking one game at random between two teams low in the table, I found the following coverage: [1] [2] The NB II is also covered as a whole with round recaps by goal.com in Hungarian and other national Hungarian newspapers. I think WP:GNG is met for a club's season article if all of their games are covered by secondary press, and that seems to be the case for the NB II. SportingFlyer T· C 13:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Where are these alleged significantly detailed sources?
Giant
Snowman
11:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- The only one that might scrape through is Debrecen, given that it was a bit of a shock that they got relegated in the first place. I'd be highly surprised if there were more than routine match reports for the rest.
Spiderone
17:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
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@ Canysp: are you able to link us to any secondary sources covering these league seasons in depth? Spiderone 13:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer: match reports are WP:ROUTINE/ WP:NOTNEWS and not significant coverage of the season to meet GNG. If they were, then lowly non-league teams would have notable seasons! Giant Snowman 16:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not in the context of a sports season. If a team's season has received routine secondary coverage for the entire season, that season has been "worthy of note." SportingFlyer T· C 17:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Again, that's just 'news'. Routine coverage is not sufficient, the key thing here, which these articles lack, is significant coverage.
Giant
Snowman
18:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, I entirely disagree and I've argued this point before in other AfDs. What makes a club's season notable? A season is an event which goes on typically for a period of eight or nine months. If reliable secondary sources take continual notice of the season through coverage, especially including routine match reports, and especially if that coverage is at a non-local level, the season itself has been "worthy of note." Match reports are generally considered routine for the coverage of players, since a match report should be generated for any notable season, and the match report will not cover the player in any sort of significant detail, but consistent match reports are exactly what we would expect for a notable season. Otherwise, what sort of coverage would be enough to pass
WP:GNG for an ongoing event over months? (I also looked up a secondarily written match report for a recent non-league game I was at and could not find anything, so I'm not expanding any scope with this argument.)
SportingFlyer
T·
C
21:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Completely agree with SportingFlyer. Ludost MlaÄani ( talk) 07:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, I entirely disagree and I've argued this point before in other AfDs. What makes a club's season notable? A season is an event which goes on typically for a period of eight or nine months. If reliable secondary sources take continual notice of the season through coverage, especially including routine match reports, and especially if that coverage is at a non-local level, the season itself has been "worthy of note." Match reports are generally considered routine for the coverage of players, since a match report should be generated for any notable season, and the match report will not cover the player in any sort of significant detail, but consistent match reports are exactly what we would expect for a notable season. Otherwise, what sort of coverage would be enough to pass
WP:GNG for an ongoing event over months? (I also looked up a secondarily written match report for a recent non-league game I was at and could not find anything, so I'm not expanding any scope with this argument.)
SportingFlyer
T·
C
21:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NSEASONS failure. Number 5 7 12:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nothing about WP:NSEASONS is exclusionary. Make an argument these fail WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 12:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I'm having no problems finding significant media coverage in Hungarian when only looking at very recent reports. one, two, three. Looks like NSEASONS is met too, being a top professional league. Nfitz ( talk) 23:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Nemzeti Bajnokság II is not a top professional league. It's not even a top league. It's second tier by definition. Spiderone 11:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete all The teams in NBI only get crowds of a few thousand. I'm assuming that these in NBII are in the hundreds. While the league and teams are clearly notable, it seems to me that this huge level of detail is not warranted by the importance of the teams. Nigej ( talk) 15:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Media coverage of amateur sports is trivial in nature. Geschichte ( talk) 15:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 07:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
2020–21 Békéscsaba 1912 Előre season
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- 2020–21 Debreceni VSC season (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 18:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
- Procedural keep Nope, the Hungarian second division receives enough secondary press coverage that these seasons likely pass WP:GNG and each needs to be considered on their own merits. WP:NSEASONS is not exclusionary. SportingFlyer T· C 13:54, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- The only one that might scrape through is Debrecen, given that it was a bit of a shock that they got relegated in the first place. I'd be highly surprised if there were more than routine match reports for the rest.
Spiderone
17:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
- Where are these alleged significantly detailed sources?
Giant
Snowman
11:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Picking one game at random between two teams low in the table, I found the following coverage: [1] [2] The NB II is also covered as a whole with round recaps by goal.com in Hungarian and other national Hungarian newspapers. I think WP:GNG is met for a club's season article if all of their games are covered by secondary press, and that seems to be the case for the NB II. SportingFlyer T· C 13:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Where are these alleged significantly detailed sources?
Giant
Snowman
11:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- The only one that might scrape through is Debrecen, given that it was a bit of a shock that they got relegated in the first place. I'd be highly surprised if there were more than routine match reports for the rest.
Spiderone
17:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:09, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
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@ Canysp: are you able to link us to any secondary sources covering these league seasons in depth? Spiderone 13:29, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- @ SportingFlyer: match reports are WP:ROUTINE/ WP:NOTNEWS and not significant coverage of the season to meet GNG. If they were, then lowly non-league teams would have notable seasons! Giant Snowman 16:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Not in the context of a sports season. If a team's season has received routine secondary coverage for the entire season, that season has been "worthy of note." SportingFlyer T· C 17:36, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Again, that's just 'news'. Routine coverage is not sufficient, the key thing here, which these articles lack, is significant coverage.
Giant
Snowman
18:03, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, I entirely disagree and I've argued this point before in other AfDs. What makes a club's season notable? A season is an event which goes on typically for a period of eight or nine months. If reliable secondary sources take continual notice of the season through coverage, especially including routine match reports, and especially if that coverage is at a non-local level, the season itself has been "worthy of note." Match reports are generally considered routine for the coverage of players, since a match report should be generated for any notable season, and the match report will not cover the player in any sort of significant detail, but consistent match reports are exactly what we would expect for a notable season. Otherwise, what sort of coverage would be enough to pass
WP:GNG for an ongoing event over months? (I also looked up a secondarily written match report for a recent non-league game I was at and could not find anything, so I'm not expanding any scope with this argument.)
SportingFlyer
T·
C
21:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Completely agree with SportingFlyer. Ludost MlaÄani ( talk) 07:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- No, I entirely disagree and I've argued this point before in other AfDs. What makes a club's season notable? A season is an event which goes on typically for a period of eight or nine months. If reliable secondary sources take continual notice of the season through coverage, especially including routine match reports, and especially if that coverage is at a non-local level, the season itself has been "worthy of note." Match reports are generally considered routine for the coverage of players, since a match report should be generated for any notable season, and the match report will not cover the player in any sort of significant detail, but consistent match reports are exactly what we would expect for a notable season. Otherwise, what sort of coverage would be enough to pass
WP:GNG for an ongoing event over months? (I also looked up a secondarily written match report for a recent non-league game I was at and could not find anything, so I'm not expanding any scope with this argument.)
SportingFlyer
T·
C
21:20, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NSEASONS failure. Number 5 7 12:23, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Nothing about WP:NSEASONS is exclusionary. Make an argument these fail WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T· C 12:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Keep I'm having no problems finding significant media coverage in Hungarian when only looking at very recent reports. one, two, three. Looks like NSEASONS is met too, being a top professional league. Nfitz ( talk) 23:27, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Nemzeti Bajnokság II is not a top professional league. It's not even a top league. It's second tier by definition. Spiderone 11:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete all The teams in NBI only get crowds of a few thousand. I'm assuming that these in NBII are in the hundreds. While the league and teams are clearly notable, it seems to me that this huge level of detail is not warranted by the importance of the teams. Nigej ( talk) 15:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Media coverage of amateur sports is trivial in nature. Geschichte ( talk) 15:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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