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The result was delete. Modussiccandi ( talk) 07:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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This article has a number of problems and should be deleted. It is a violation of our policies on WP:OR. The article's existence takes many separate incidents, almost all of which already have independent Wikipedia pages, and amalgamates them into one big crisis that doesn't seem to exist in reliable sources. This is a type of synthesis/original research. I do not see support in reliable sources for the idea that all of these incidents are part of a single, sustained, 2-3 year crisis that is separable from Iran–United States relations.
The article was originally split off from Iran–United States relations due to size, but it has just become a dumping ground for every little thing that happens in the Gulf or between the US and Iran, violating our WP:NOTNEWS policy as well. It is a perfect example of a WP:COATRACK. The article's content is already adequately covered at the many linked articles on specific incidents ( May 2019 Gulf of Oman incident, June 2019 Gulf of Oman incident, 2019 Iranian shoot-down of American drone, 2019 K-1 Air Base attack, Attack on the United States embassy in Baghdad, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, July 2021 Gulf of Oman incident, Assassination of Qasem Soleimani and numerous others). The article's content is also covered at Iran–United States relations, Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict, Iran–Israel proxy conflict, Iranian intervention in Iraq (2014–present), Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, and several others. This article's existence is redundant. Its content is either better covered elsewhere or too trivial for inclusion at all.
The article also adds to confusion by being titled 2019-2021 but stating that the crisis is "ongoing" in the lead sentence while also covering events in 2022. Finally, WP:TNT applies; there are significant WP:PROSELINE issues.
Apologies for the long nomination statement - this is a complex case. I previously brought up the issue on the WP:NORN noticeboard, which I linked on the article's talk page with a ping to major contributors, but received little response. —Ganesha811 ( talk) 16:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
US-Iran crisis (2019-20??)), but there's just so much prose (88597 characters, according to DYK Check, with 320k bytes of wikisource) that cutting all this down into something even vaguely in WP:SUMMARYSTYLE seems too much to ask from anyone. If someone came forth and volunteered to do the legwork, I'd have no objection to giving them the chance to. But as it now stands, I think, I'd imagine the sheer scale of the article will put off anyone from doing even the most minor changes. - Ljleppan ( talk) 08:14, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
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Mississippi 00:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
This discussion was subject to a
deletion review on 2022 November 11. For an explanation of the process, see Wikipedia:Deletion review. |
The result was delete. Modussiccandi ( talk) 07:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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This article has a number of problems and should be deleted. It is a violation of our policies on WP:OR. The article's existence takes many separate incidents, almost all of which already have independent Wikipedia pages, and amalgamates them into one big crisis that doesn't seem to exist in reliable sources. This is a type of synthesis/original research. I do not see support in reliable sources for the idea that all of these incidents are part of a single, sustained, 2-3 year crisis that is separable from Iran–United States relations.
The article was originally split off from Iran–United States relations due to size, but it has just become a dumping ground for every little thing that happens in the Gulf or between the US and Iran, violating our WP:NOTNEWS policy as well. It is a perfect example of a WP:COATRACK. The article's content is already adequately covered at the many linked articles on specific incidents ( May 2019 Gulf of Oman incident, June 2019 Gulf of Oman incident, 2019 Iranian shoot-down of American drone, 2019 K-1 Air Base attack, Attack on the United States embassy in Baghdad, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, July 2021 Gulf of Oman incident, Assassination of Qasem Soleimani and numerous others). The article's content is also covered at Iran–United States relations, Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict, Iran–Israel proxy conflict, Iranian intervention in Iraq (2014–present), Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists, and several others. This article's existence is redundant. Its content is either better covered elsewhere or too trivial for inclusion at all.
The article also adds to confusion by being titled 2019-2021 but stating that the crisis is "ongoing" in the lead sentence while also covering events in 2022. Finally, WP:TNT applies; there are significant WP:PROSELINE issues.
Apologies for the long nomination statement - this is a complex case. I previously brought up the issue on the WP:NORN noticeboard, which I linked on the article's talk page with a ping to major contributors, but received little response. —Ganesha811 ( talk) 16:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
US-Iran crisis (2019-20??)), but there's just so much prose (88597 characters, according to DYK Check, with 320k bytes of wikisource) that cutting all this down into something even vaguely in WP:SUMMARYSTYLE seems too much to ask from anyone. If someone came forth and volunteered to do the legwork, I'd have no objection to giving them the chance to. But as it now stands, I think, I'd imagine the sheer scale of the article will put off anyone from doing even the most minor changes. - Ljleppan ( talk) 08:14, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Star
Mississippi 00:51, 14 September 2022 (UTC)