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Structure article waiting for American football results, that is better waiting in userdraft somewhere. Final is played in Jan 8th, 2018. Fails
WP:NOT, specifically
WP:BALL.
scope_creep (
talk) 12:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I think having it sitting there, for an event that is so far in the future, isn't something Wikipedia needs. Move it to a draft location with your userspace, and bring it out in a years time when the event starts.
scope_creep (
talk) 13:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment This Afd has to stay open for 7 days. So it's not being deleted yet, if at all. This is only my suggestion. Userspace is the space setup under account, which is here:
User talk:2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2. You don't need to move it yet, or even at all. The Afd consensus might decide that it doesn't need removed. Apart from that, it was an excellent article.
scope_creep (
talk) 14:28, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Thank you very much I hope this article stays and god willing that it will because Monday Is MLK Day and I hope this article stays.
2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2 (
talk) 14:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
That is a excellent article is right and I hope this article stays Because I Put in a reference and it should stay.
2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2 (
talk) 14:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep It's not violating
WP:CRYSTAL to say that the 2018 College Football National Championship will be held at the Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta on January 8, 2018. It's a scheduled event. Per WP:CRYSTAL, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." There's no reason to think we won't still have college football in a year. That said, we definitely don't need the "Starting lineup" section when we won't know who's appearing in this game for another 51 weeks. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep per Muboshgu.
WP:BALL actually supports the existence of this article.
ansh666 19:49, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep a lot is known about the event now and even though the event itself is almost a year off, there is more than enough third party coverage to surpass the
general notability guideline. We went through this a few years back and consensus was to keep articles about this championship one year in advance to help editors add new information as it comes available.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 20:51, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Incubate. I can't really determine, with my limited knowledge of American football, whether the
notability of this event is supported by the (in my opinion limited) existing
in-depthcoverage. It feels like it's too early for an Article (in the spirit of
WP:TOOSOON), and I'm not sure the existing reliable sources provide enough coverage to suggest notability at this time (per
WP:BALL). I don't believe it needs to be deleted, however. I'm sure it's fine to move it to User of Draft space, until such time as more sources become available to support notability.--talk2Chun(
talk) (
contributions) 20:58, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I Hope we don't have to wait until Spring till the bowl schedule comes out by then please save this article.
2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2 (
talk) 21:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
That is well out of date
Ejgreen77. The precedent is from August, September last year, they get parked until close to the event. That why I nominated it. It's not the point that people talk about in a manner of a future event that makes for good reference. Everybody does that. It is human nature to discuss the next election, the next prime minister, the next world series. The point is, there is no real encyclopedic content within this article, the actuality that people come to look for. All it is, is structure, a framework.
scope_creep (
talk) 00:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
"The precedent is from August, September last year." Diffs for this, please? Keep in mind that we have articles for the World Cup as far away as
2026, and the Olympics as far away as
2028. This event is less than a calendar year away.
Ejgreen77 (
talk) 01:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I'd really like to have a reference for this particular "precedent" as well. I check college football related AFDs almost daily, I have no recollection of such a discussion. I've been wrong before, please provide a link.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 18:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. As per Muboshgu, Paul McDonald, and
WP:CRYSTAL, our precedent is to permit an article for the next upcoming in a series of recurring events. So, after Clemson's win last night in the 2017 game, this article for 2018 is now ripe. --
Arxiloxos (
talk) 06:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
What Do you Mean Category is ripe But I Don't want this Category to go and be deleted.
68.102.39.189 (
talk) 17:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Save this Article please don't redrecit or delete it save it.
68.102.39.189 (
talk) 14:23, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep based on page histories of other championship games (which were each expanded into articles around the same time this was). —
MRD2014 (
talk •
contribs) 14:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep I don't see any benefit in deleting this article, nor do I see a policy-based reason for doing so.
Lepricavark (
talk) 16:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Structure article waiting for American football results, that is better waiting in userdraft somewhere. Final is played in Jan 8th, 2018. Fails
WP:NOT, specifically
WP:BALL.
scope_creep (
talk) 12:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I think having it sitting there, for an event that is so far in the future, isn't something Wikipedia needs. Move it to a draft location with your userspace, and bring it out in a years time when the event starts.
scope_creep (
talk) 13:55, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment This Afd has to stay open for 7 days. So it's not being deleted yet, if at all. This is only my suggestion. Userspace is the space setup under account, which is here:
User talk:2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2. You don't need to move it yet, or even at all. The Afd consensus might decide that it doesn't need removed. Apart from that, it was an excellent article.
scope_creep (
talk) 14:28, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Thank you very much I hope this article stays and god willing that it will because Monday Is MLK Day and I hope this article stays.
2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2 (
talk) 14:31, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
That is a excellent article is right and I hope this article stays Because I Put in a reference and it should stay.
2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2 (
talk) 14:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep It's not violating
WP:CRYSTAL to say that the 2018 College Football National Championship will be held at the Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta on January 8, 2018. It's a scheduled event. Per WP:CRYSTAL, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." There's no reason to think we won't still have college football in a year. That said, we definitely don't need the "Starting lineup" section when we won't know who's appearing in this game for another 51 weeks. –
Muboshgu (
talk) 18:27, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep per Muboshgu.
WP:BALL actually supports the existence of this article.
ansh666 19:49, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep a lot is known about the event now and even though the event itself is almost a year off, there is more than enough third party coverage to surpass the
general notability guideline. We went through this a few years back and consensus was to keep articles about this championship one year in advance to help editors add new information as it comes available.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 20:51, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Incubate. I can't really determine, with my limited knowledge of American football, whether the
notability of this event is supported by the (in my opinion limited) existing
in-depthcoverage. It feels like it's too early for an Article (in the spirit of
WP:TOOSOON), and I'm not sure the existing reliable sources provide enough coverage to suggest notability at this time (per
WP:BALL). I don't believe it needs to be deleted, however. I'm sure it's fine to move it to User of Draft space, until such time as more sources become available to support notability.--talk2Chun(
talk) (
contributions) 20:58, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I Hope we don't have to wait until Spring till the bowl schedule comes out by then please save this article.
2600:8803:7A00:19:7113:2C0E:EF33:37A2 (
talk) 21:40, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
That is well out of date
Ejgreen77. The precedent is from August, September last year, they get parked until close to the event. That why I nominated it. It's not the point that people talk about in a manner of a future event that makes for good reference. Everybody does that. It is human nature to discuss the next election, the next prime minister, the next world series. The point is, there is no real encyclopedic content within this article, the actuality that people come to look for. All it is, is structure, a framework.
scope_creep (
talk) 00:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
"The precedent is from August, September last year." Diffs for this, please? Keep in mind that we have articles for the World Cup as far away as
2026, and the Olympics as far away as
2028. This event is less than a calendar year away.
Ejgreen77 (
talk) 01:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I'd really like to have a reference for this particular "precedent" as well. I check college football related AFDs almost daily, I have no recollection of such a discussion. I've been wrong before, please provide a link.--
Paul McDonald (
talk) 18:45, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. As per Muboshgu, Paul McDonald, and
WP:CRYSTAL, our precedent is to permit an article for the next upcoming in a series of recurring events. So, after Clemson's win last night in the 2017 game, this article for 2018 is now ripe. --
Arxiloxos (
talk) 06:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
What Do you Mean Category is ripe But I Don't want this Category to go and be deleted.
68.102.39.189 (
talk) 17:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Save this Article please don't redrecit or delete it save it.
68.102.39.189 (
talk) 14:23, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep based on page histories of other championship games (which were each expanded into articles around the same time this was). —
MRD2014 (
talk •
contribs) 14:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep I don't see any benefit in deleting this article, nor do I see a policy-based reason for doing so.
Lepricavark (
talk) 16:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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