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Film appears to fail
WP:NFILM with not enough reviews to pass the guidelines, with none found in a BEFORE.
DonaldD23talk to me 04:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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Delete: None of the content is secondary source content, and none of the sources contain secondary source content. It is all directory information. On google I can find no reviews, excluding user reviews that can’t be used for sourcing.
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 11:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Previously deleted via PROD, not eligible for Soft Deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 04:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. I found a review by
Gilbert Adair in The Monthly Film Bulletin (
ProQuest1305831871) and another by Marjorie Bilbow in Screen International (
ProQuest963295923)—both are on the shorter side, but I think they probably qualify as significant coverage. (These magazines don't seem to be available in the Wikipedia Library, so if you'd like to check them out for yourself, feel free to
email me and I'll send the PDFs.) The article also cites what appears to be a review in Film-Dienst, although I'm not sure if it's sigcov because I can't access the full text. Usually I'd prefer a bit more than this when making a
GNG-based argument, but this is a case where
WP:NEXIST encourages us to be flexible, in my view. This is a forty-year-old foreign-language film, so it was most likely reviewed in contemporaneous Spanish or Italian film magazines or newspapers that aren't available online. Although "but there might be offline sources!" isn't always a winning argument, !voters should "consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any", and here I think that possibility is fairly high since we've already uncovered several English-language sources that get us most of the way to a GNG pass. I'd consider changing my !vote if someone with access to Spanish/Italian-language periodical archives wasn't able to find satisfactory sourcing.
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 23:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep based on
WP:NEXIST and
Extraordinary Writ's points. Searching the BNE's digital periodical archives for Perisopio and Laura Gemser mentions in 1979 and 1980,
[1] there seem to be at least reviews of the film in El Correo de Zamora, La Nueva España, and El Periódico de Catalunya. The exact content isn't accessible by me, but the minimal preview text points to at least some of these being qualifying reviews. —
Carter (Tcr25) (
talk) 16:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Film appears to fail
WP:NFILM with not enough reviews to pass the guidelines, with none found in a BEFORE.
DonaldD23talk to me 04:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 04:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete: None of the content is secondary source content, and none of the sources contain secondary source content. It is all directory information. On google I can find no reviews, excluding user reviews that can’t be used for sourcing.
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 11:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Previously deleted via PROD, not eligible for Soft Deletion. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LizRead!Talk! 04:31, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Weak keep. I found a review by
Gilbert Adair in The Monthly Film Bulletin (
ProQuest1305831871) and another by Marjorie Bilbow in Screen International (
ProQuest963295923)—both are on the shorter side, but I think they probably qualify as significant coverage. (These magazines don't seem to be available in the Wikipedia Library, so if you'd like to check them out for yourself, feel free to
email me and I'll send the PDFs.) The article also cites what appears to be a review in Film-Dienst, although I'm not sure if it's sigcov because I can't access the full text. Usually I'd prefer a bit more than this when making a
GNG-based argument, but this is a case where
WP:NEXIST encourages us to be flexible, in my view. This is a forty-year-old foreign-language film, so it was most likely reviewed in contemporaneous Spanish or Italian film magazines or newspapers that aren't available online. Although "but there might be offline sources!" isn't always a winning argument, !voters should "consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any", and here I think that possibility is fairly high since we've already uncovered several English-language sources that get us most of the way to a GNG pass. I'd consider changing my !vote if someone with access to Spanish/Italian-language periodical archives wasn't able to find satisfactory sourcing.
Extraordinary Writ (
talk) 23:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Keep based on
WP:NEXIST and
Extraordinary Writ's points. Searching the BNE's digital periodical archives for Perisopio and Laura Gemser mentions in 1979 and 1980,
[1] there seem to be at least reviews of the film in El Correo de Zamora, La Nueva España, and El Periódico de Catalunya. The exact content isn't accessible by me, but the minimal preview text points to at least some of these being qualifying reviews. —
Carter (Tcr25) (
talk) 16:07, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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