- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. There is clearly no consensus to delete and the nominator has failed to respond to and address the nomination's lacuna. (non-admin closure) Andrew🐉( talk) 18:32, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Ó Ceallaigh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Essentially duplicates another article to the extent it is accurate, essentially a POV fork beyond that. Qwirkle ( talk) 04:16, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't mean to be crass, but are you gonna tell us which article it duplicates??
Curbon7 (
talk)
04:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm guessing he means Kelly (surname). It would be good to hear more specifically what the issues are; mostly it's just lists; not much of an article. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:32, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think the article should be deleted based on that merit alone; there are plenty of instances of having a surname page as well as a more detailed page regarding particular families. For example: Kennedy (surname) and O'Kennedy. The other problems with the article I tried to fix: namely rewriting in prose, clarifying the unclear nature regarding the various septs, and removing the pointlessly vague 'Associated counties' section. I also removed the etymology detailed in the beginning of the article, and I've instead added a link to the Kelly surname page (where it both seems more prevalent and is better explained) in the See Also section. I've also added some other information such as a small amount of history and the arms and motto of the O'Kelly of Hy Many. Kivisto ( talk) 03:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- It is a bad nomination that fails to say what the fork is duplicating. If it is Kelly (surname), it would object that the two are not covering the same ground. Some introductory material from that article might be merged into this one, which is about an Irish clan (if that is the right term). The surname article is otherwise a typical list article, whose primary function is as an index for people with the surname, since we do not allow SHAREDNAME categories. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Not sure why this needed to be relisted. Nomination isn’t clear. No obvious reason to delete per above. 4meter4 ( talk) 05:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. There is clearly no consensus to delete and the nominator has failed to respond to and address the nomination's lacuna. (non-admin closure) Andrew🐉( talk) 18:32, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Ó Ceallaigh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Essentially duplicates another article to the extent it is accurate, essentially a POV fork beyond that. Qwirkle ( talk) 04:16, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 ( talk) 04:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't mean to be crass, but are you gonna tell us which article it duplicates??
Curbon7 (
talk)
04:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm guessing he means Kelly (surname). It would be good to hear more specifically what the issues are; mostly it's just lists; not much of an article. Dicklyon ( talk) 05:32, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think the article should be deleted based on that merit alone; there are plenty of instances of having a surname page as well as a more detailed page regarding particular families. For example: Kennedy (surname) and O'Kennedy. The other problems with the article I tried to fix: namely rewriting in prose, clarifying the unclear nature regarding the various septs, and removing the pointlessly vague 'Associated counties' section. I also removed the etymology detailed in the beginning of the article, and I've instead added a link to the Kelly surname page (where it both seems more prevalent and is better explained) in the See Also section. I've also added some other information such as a small amount of history and the arms and motto of the O'Kelly of Hy Many. Kivisto ( talk) 03:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- Keep -- It is a bad nomination that fails to say what the fork is duplicating. If it is Kelly (surname), it would object that the two are not covering the same ground. Some introductory material from that article might be merged into this one, which is about an Irish clan (if that is the right term). The surname article is otherwise a typical list article, whose primary function is as an index for people with the surname, since we do not allow SHAREDNAME categories. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Not sure why this needed to be relisted. Nomination isn’t clear. No obvious reason to delete per above. 4meter4 ( talk) 05:00, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.