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Dealing with a committee - I cannot get agreement on even the most basic points, because the committee is incapable of agreeing - and half of them are inactive.
I have laid down, I think a very tight argument:
Now if any arbitrator could give me a reason to doubt the steps, we could discuss it - but no one has. And yet, some of them continue to think that these additional sanctions are "avoiding disruption" - or so it seems.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough, 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
Was there a discussion on this? Where and when was it? Nightscream ( talk) 23:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
You've got some, too. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 12:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I would welcome enlightenment.
"Rich Farmbrough is warned that the committee is likely to take a severe view of further violations, and may consider replacing his automation restriction with a site ban"
Is not enlightening, it is a simple threat.
Let me reveal that I have violated the restrictions by, for example, pasting the quote above.
Again no-one has said "Yes well, that's fine, obviously we don't mean that." I take it on myself to assume that this is quite legitimate, even though it is technically not "typing in the box". And no one has said "No, absolutely you cannot cut and paste an ISBN number."
So I am left feeling in the dark, around a sanction that is no more clear than "I don't know what it is , but I know it when I see it".
And all over the "edit by typing in the box" which, as I believe I have convincingly shown, is completely beside the point.
Furthermore this pettifogging over the "edit in the box" prevents me from effectively editing manually, and provides a smokescreen over the more substantive issues of the Arb Case, which are far more worrying, and deserve to be dealt with properly.
I await enlightenment.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough, 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
talk page stalker] Having ploughed through Richard's edits in this comment section, trying to figure out the reasons for the torches and pitchforks that came out in his last request to ArbCom, I have certainly gotten some idea of "will no one rid me of this turbulent editor". The edits that were brought to Arbcom's attention were not done in article space, but at Articles for Creation, and it seemed to me that while the edits were not perfect, the end result was a collaboration with many editors that eventually made the article ready to publish. This was one of my very early Arbitration Reports, but as I continued to follow the ArbCom for the rest of their year, through other cases, I came to understand it a little better. Some editors manage to "exhaust the good-will of the community" and it seems like this is what has happened here. Everyone needs a proofreader, I need one myself, but when issues are raised, never mind WP:DEADLINE, you have to respond to people's concerns, and in a timely manner. So somehow some issues did not get resolved, and there is now a very low tolerance for any issues at all.
There were a couple of things that I thought made the Arbcom look bad at the time, that I hope are not repeated this time. One was Rich's AE block, done on the say-so of one arb, which I thought cut off some valuable discussion, and perhaps contributed to preventing an earlier resolution of the situation. We saw a similar AE block with the Argentine History case; I hope ArbCom tightens this up for the future. Another was an explanation of Rich's restrictions that could not be understood by either technical or non-technical people, much less Rich himself. But it looks like that dialogue is now well underway. — Neotarf ( talk) 09:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Dave, I appreciate your comparatively sane note at the current RF A/R/C. I.e., you note that obviously whoever creates such a bot is responsible for it, and, while it may not be obvious why it is useful, surely RF's use of it—simply because he made a feature request for it—would have nothing more to do with his restrictions than his use of any other archiving bot would. You have always struck me as a pretty reasonable person. However, I would suggest to you that his feature requests maybe don't suggest bad faith. I like to think of myself as a reasonable person, too, and I have to say I can not make any sense of your comment It's exactly that sort of behaviour that stops people from assuming good faith with your behaviour
. I literally have no idea why someone who is told not to automate himself making feature requests for someone else to build is immediately indicative of bad faith.
ErikHaugen (
talk |
contribs) 21:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Rich came to us a couple of weeks ago, asking for a reduction in his restriction so he could archive his talk page. Some arbitrators were dead set against it all together, others pointed out that he could use an existing bot without issue. Rich's reaction was to go to the bot request noticeboard and ask for a new bot to be created. It's not against the letter of the restriction, but it's certainly against the spirit. The spirit, as I explained to Rich at the time in this very thread was that he should [become] a computer simpleton, who understands basic wiki-markup and wants to write articles or work in that matter. You can read the conversation above. Asking for a complex bot to be written for him is certainly nowhere near the spirit of the restriction. It appears that Rich is trying to get round his restriction, a number of people have said it. Actions like that are the reason why. WormTT( talk) 13:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I would welcome enlightenment.
"Rich Farmbrough is warned that the committee is likely to take a severe view of further violations, and may consider replacing his automation restriction with a site ban"
Is not enlightening, it is a simple threat.
Let me reveal that I have violated the restrictions by, for example, pasting the quote above.
Again no-one has said "Yes well, that's fine, obviously we don't mean that." I take it on myself to assume that this is quite legitimate, even though it is technically not "typing in the box". And no one has said "No, absolutely you cannot cut and paste an ISBN number."
So I am left feeling in the dark, around a sanction that is no more clear than "I don't know what it is , but I know it when I see it".
And all over the "edit by typing in the box" which, as I believe I have convincingly shown, is completely beside the point.
Furthermore this pettifogging over the "edit in the box" prevents me from effectively editing manually, and provides a smokescreen over the more substantive issues of the Arb Case, which are far more worrying, and deserve to be dealt with properly.
I await enlightenment.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough, 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
talk page stalker] Having ploughed through Richard's edits in this comment section, trying to figure out the reasons for the torches and pitchforks that came out in his last request to ArbCom, I have certainly gotten some idea of "will no one rid me of this turbulent editor". The edits that were brought to Arbcom's attention were not done in article space, but at Articles for Creation, and it seemed to me that while the edits were not perfect, the end result was a collaboration with many editors that eventually made the article ready to publish. This was one of my very early Arbitration Reports, but as I continued to follow the ArbCom for the rest of their year, through other cases, I came to understand it a little better. Some editors manage to "exhaust the good-will of the community" and it seems like this is what has happened here. Everyone needs a proofreader, I need one myself, but when issues are raised, never mind WP:DEADLINE, you have to respond to people's concerns, and in a timely manner. So somehow some issues did not get resolved, and there is now a very low tolerance for any issues at all.
There were a couple of things that I thought made the Arbcom look bad at the time, that I hope are not repeated this time. One was Rich's AE block, done on the say-so of one arb, which I thought cut off some valuable discussion, and perhaps contributed to preventing an earlier resolution of the situation. We saw a similar AE block with the Argentine History case; I hope ArbCom tightens this up for the future. Another was an explanation of Rich's restrictions that could not be understood by either technical or non-technical people, much less Rich himself. But it looks like that dialogue is now well underway. — Neotarf ( talk) 09:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Dave, I appreciate your comparatively sane note at the current RF A/R/C. I.e., you note that obviously whoever creates such a bot is responsible for it, and, while it may not be obvious why it is useful, surely RF's use of it—simply because he made a feature request for it—would have nothing more to do with his restrictions than his use of any other archiving bot would. You have always struck me as a pretty reasonable person. However, I would suggest to you that his feature requests maybe don't suggest bad faith. I like to think of myself as a reasonable person, too, and I have to say I can not make any sense of your comment It's exactly that sort of behaviour that stops people from assuming good faith with your behaviour
. I literally have no idea why someone who is told not to automate himself making feature requests for someone else to build is immediately indicative of bad faith.
ErikHaugen (
talk |
contribs) 21:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Rich came to us a couple of weeks ago, asking for a reduction in his restriction so he could archive his talk page. Some arbitrators were dead set against it all together, others pointed out that he could use an existing bot without issue. Rich's reaction was to go to the bot request noticeboard and ask for a new bot to be created. It's not against the letter of the restriction, but it's certainly against the spirit. The spirit, as I explained to Rich at the time in this very thread was that he should [become] a computer simpleton, who understands basic wiki-markup and wants to write articles or work in that matter. You can read the conversation above. Asking for a complex bot to be written for him is certainly nowhere near the spirit of the restriction. It appears that Rich is trying to get round his restriction, a number of people have said it. Actions like that are the reason why. WormTT( talk) 13:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your message on my talk page. I have received it and understand the conditions. Although my return is temporary and editing will not be too frequent like before, I appreciate the arbitration committee's trust. Nadirali نادرالی ( talk) 18:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
One question I have, what about topics that are apolitical? Am i banned form editing those? I mean articles that have nothing to do with politics, just regular articles. Nadirali نادرالی ( talk) 20:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, this is a quick note to say that I hope to get time properly to reply to your comment here later today, though it might have to defer until tomorrow. With regard to "restricted from areas that you don't appear to be", I believe my examples were based on comments such as "Category (1) probably falls within the restriction" where this explicitly included the WSPU (Suffrage), this was a comment by NYB here. I agree that I would not normally interpret sexuality as including suffrage, neither is sexual identity normally interpreted as sexuality. I am happy to admit that I may well have misunderstood the text, so I'll be careful in linking back to Arbcom member comments. It is obviously not in my interest to exaggerate the extent of the ban. I am finding it tricky not to come across as wiki-lawyering using dictionary definitions of these words and I am endeavouring to stay as focused as I can on previously expressed views from Arbcom members. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 13:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This is a note to let the main editors of Doom Bar know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on May 8, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite ( talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 8, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:
The Doom Bar is a sandbar at the mouth of the estuary of the River Camel on the north coast of Cornwall, England. It is composed mainly of marine sand, more than 60 per cent of which is derived from marine shells making it an important source of agricultural lime which has been collected for hundreds of years. According to tradition, the Doom Bar formed in the reign of Henry VIII, damaging the prosperity of the port of Padstow a mile up the estuary. Until the 20th century, access to Padstow's harbour was via a narrow and difficult channel between the Doom Bar and the cliffs at Stepper Point, and many ships were wrecked on the Doom Bar, including the 12-gun schooner HMS Whiting in 1816. In the early 20th century the main channel moved away from the cliffs, and continued dredging has made it much safer for boats, but deaths have occurred on the bar as recently as 1997. A Cornish folklore legend relates that a mermaid created the bar as a dying curse on the harbour after she was shot by a local man. The Doom Bar has been used in poetry to symbolise feelings of melancholy, and it has given its name to the flagship ale from Sharp's Brewery. ( Full article...)
You (and your talk-page stalkers) may also be interested to hear that there have been some changes at the TFA requests page recently. Nominators no longer need to calculate how many "points" an article has, the instructions have been simplified, and there's a new nomination system using templates based on those used for DYK suggestions. Please consider nominating another article, or commenting on an existing nomination, and leaving some feedback on your experience. Thank you. UcuchaBot ( talk) 23:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations on a fine FA - I'll raise a pint in your honour next time I'm out West (though I'm more of a Honey drinker, myself...). Yunshui 雲 水 09:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia has finally driven me to drink and it's all your fault. I spotted a bottle of Doom Bar on the shelves of my local Sainsburys yesterday and am now sampling it - purely for research purposes, of course. If you hadn't written the article about Doom Bar, I would never have bought it. Bencherlite Talk 21:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
It is not a good idea, and not useful, to turn the discussion over AGK towards Kumioko. Any attempt in that direction should be backed by rock solid reason, and rock solid evidence. For example accusing Kumioko of gloating is a matter of interpretation. If you want to state he edited mainly from IP's you should back that up with edit numbers - certainly the promiscuous range blocks make it unlikely that he edited mainly from DoD IP's and indeed there is some suggestion that DoD IPs have not been used for a considerable period of time.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 12:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC).
It would be amusing to see how administrators responded if editors started reporting their misdeeds to their employers. Should the employers of our admin corps be made aware of the extensive history of socking, copyright violations, policy abuses, harassment, intimidation, dishonesty, and other abuses that so many admins and arbs have engaged in? Should there be a standardized notification process or should it be left up to individual editors to decide how the information should be communicated? Candleabracadabra ( talk) 17:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
You may think you can go away for the weekend, but do you realise the impact that your actions have on the international scene? Oh dear... "it has come to epitomise British cuisine in Chinese eyes." -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 01:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Malke 2010 ( talk) 15:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dave, it's sure been a while
A few days ago, I ran into content removal on the Moorabbin Airport article [1] by user Goodmoor – so I proceeded with reverting the removal and notifying them about the removal on their talk. Anyway today they removed the same content again, and left a note on their talk explaining that "this matter is currently going through a legal process and therefore cannot be commented on". Prior to reading this message, I reverted the edit again. Once I read the message, I responded explaining why I believe their content removal was innapropriate [2].
However, seeing as there is a legal matter, should they contact the Foundation, and request this content be removed for said legal reasons? or should this content be simply removed, end of? regards, — MelbourneStar☆ talk 07:19, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, do you mind taking a look at User_talk:Fæ#Suggestion for editing and Talk:Warren_Cup#Promoting_to_Good_Article? I would enjoy helping to get the article to GA. Based on the British Museum's dating and numerous authoritative papers, the artefact has been identified as from the 1st century AD, however there have been challenges to this dating, as you can read in the current article (which I worked on in 2010). As I don't intend to introduce any new images to the current article (I'll leave that to other editors), but help with prose, format and improving sources in order to propose a GA review, I think this is not an issue under the topic ban as currently stated. I would appreciate your viewpoint. -- Fæ ( talk) 13:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Note: I am also sending this message to David
Hello Worm and David! I hope this message finds you at a good time. I was searching through the arbcom list of active arbitrators and found that only three of you remain active from the Argentine History case (how incredible that a year has already passed?). I wanted to thank you both for having believed in me (even if one of you, ehem...David...ehem, was a bit harsh by mentioning a certain rope). I have indeed fulfilled my promise to bring the article Falkland Islands to featured status, in order to demonstrate that the sanctions applied against me were far too harsh and misled by misinformation (or perhaps disinformation). During this past year I have also led two articles to featured status, the Peru national football team and Pisco Sour.
Before appealing the sanction, I would first like to continue demonstrating my quality as a serious editor by taking the article of the United States to featured status (my current sandbox plan is here, including planned pictures and a new introduction). However, since part of US history overlaps with the history of Latin America, my question to you both is if me working on this tangential topic within the US article would would be an issue? Regards.-- MarshalN20 Talk 18:10, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Mimi: bin ich hier richtig? Ich weis es nicht. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urheber- Mimi Lyrik 07.07.2014 ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
As one of the original 100 JSTOR account recipients, please fill out the very short email form you received just recently in order to renew your access. Even though you signed up before with WMF, we need you to sign up again with The Wikipedia Library for privacy reasons and because your prior access expired on July 15th. We do not have your email addresses now; we just used the Special:EmailUser feature, so if you didn't receive an email just contact me directly at jorlowitzgmail.com. Thanks, and we're working as quickly as possible to get you your new access! Jake ( Ocaasi) 19:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey Dave—
I've noticed you've been dipping your toe in the pond at Wil's site. I doubt much will come of that but there is some talk about something else. Please drop me an email off-list at your convenience: ShoeHutch@gmail.com best regards, —Tim //// Carrite ( talk) 02:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
High quality assimilation and accurate re-presentation of reliable sources was dinned into me years ago in my day job; the tricky bit is remembering (and making due allowance for) the likelihood that other editors haven't had that indoctrination and can be possessively proud about quite ropey stuff and agressively antipathetic about good stuff that doesn't fit their preconceptions. (Present company excepted of course)
As a small token of appreciation I have added a bit on Parsley Peel and descendents to Oswaldtwistle, if only because Hyndburn Council are convinced that the future PM was born at Oswaldtwistle too - sooner or later somebody will import that (suitably referenced) into Wikipedia, after which it will be regarded as semi-official....After that, I'm off back to the Factory Acts before they get filled up with factoids from 'life in olden times' websites .... Rjccumbria ( talk) 21:25, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I have filed an enforcement request for possible I-ban violations by John Carter as we discussed. Ignocrates ( talk) 14:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
support
Thank you for your generous support wherever it's needed, adopting mentees, proposing candidates, supporting them ("a knack for saying the right thing and getting stuff done"), helping fellow editors
to get out of
WP:Great Dismal Swamp, - you are an
awesome Wikipedian!
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
A year ago, you were the 203rd recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize. Today see also, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
HI Dave (Worm), I appreciate your reaching out. Not sure there is anything more for me to do, but I sure have learned a lot about Wikipedia in the last day, enough to be really fascinated. It seems like it is an entire world of virtual people scuffling, shifting, debating, working against each other sometimes, with each other at others to keep a kind of, hmm, ever mutating hive of human data going. It's pretty cool, but also scary and daunting. Scary because of the parts of human beings that are ugly are revealed, and cool because the parts of human beings that are really great are revealed, and daunting due to both. As for the page on me, that will play out and be whatever it is. Thank you. Lmccullough ( talk) 14:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bother you, but I believe this needs to be looked into. I've recently observed a situation where a blocking admin extended the block of a person he blocked before the blocked user's appeal for unblock could be reviewed, therefore effectively denying that user his/her right to appeal the block.
I've read the lengthy appeal of that user and I believe the administrator's actions all along the way were unreasonably abusive towards that user and that the administrator failed to assume good faith from the very start.
Please go to /info/en/?search=User_talk:I_really_need_that_username and take a look.
You'll notice that the user was forced by the edit filter to use pastebin to publish his appeal and asked for an admin's help in transferring the text of the appeal from there to his talk page, but even that was denied and so to read the appeal where the user presents his take on the situation, you will have to follow that link which is part of his denied appeal.
As far as I can see, the user's intentions were genuinely good, and his creation of another account was in the spirit of Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules. I honestly believe that this user's case deserves to be looked into by someone impartial, and if it's determined the user was indeed treated inappropriately, it would probably be a good idea to take a look at other actions performed by the admin that blocked him.
Thank you for your time. 201.167.11.68 ( talk) 21:14, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Rlevse is mentioned as a party in a requested arb case. As - I thought - everybody knows he has not edited under that user name from 2010, and not under PumpkinSky from 2013. (There was this infoboxes case and other events he considered unfair.) - I am - as everybody knows - pretty unfamiliar with correct proceedings. Please, you do what needs to be done. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:02, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar, although it's a little worrying that just being nice is a criteria for getting one these days! Was good to meet yourself too :) Number 5 7 10:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Please. I have done so many violations on it that I need help fixing my mistakes. People are kinda worried because I'm not suppose to create categories. Maybe you could speak on my behalf. I'm wondering if you what categories are suitable to create and not suitable to create. I'm not banned yet you see; I just can't create categories I do have some mental health issues. Please Venustar84 ( talk) 14:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Some of the images are by the banned editor, and are not very good at all. I plan to remove any by the banned editor, and add some of my own as soon as I take them. I also intend to remove some of the history and the inline citations with them. After looking them over, I think I can improve both text and images. Some are harder than others, but I can do them. I will tell you when to look them over, but I doubt I will struggle with them at all. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 20:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi worm that turned. You came to the Queen Street Mill Wikipedia event last year, and helped a number of people get started. I was wondering whether you would be willing to come along and do the same for on event we are holding at Judges Lodgings on 20th September? Would be great to see you again. User:jhayward001 — Preceding undated comment added 07:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi User:worm that turned, Great news. I look forward to seeing you and User:Staceydolxx on 20th September. Did you get the information I sent by e-mail? User: jhayward001 — Preceding undated comment added 10:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps a gentile reminder is in order. Your call. Ignocrates ( talk) 20:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
John Carter, I'm not happy with the edit that Ignocrates points out either, nor your posting here as a response to him - the correct place to complain about violations of the IBan is AE and bringing it up at ANI is again an issue - less so this time as Ignocrates had just violated his, but problematic because you've just come off a block for the same. Again, I would be blocking if I did Arbcom Enforcement. WormTT( talk) 07:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear Worm That Turned,
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Surely reverting is undoing an action. A suggested compromise is not a reversion. I see my change has stuck so that clearly is acceptable. Perhaps I am also one of those who are not here to build an encyclopaedia? Spartaz Humbug! 07:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
This is a quote, found following your advice to read the infoboxes case again. Please look at the latest entry on my talk which asked me to participate in the discussion about infoboxes which will not be stopped by eliminating a few people. I would like your advice - like as a mentor - how to react, after establishing my position. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
In Freundschaft means "in friendship", - "especially poignant" -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Can I discuss this issue with your further, or will you ban? If I cannot speak with you, what is my escalation? I see there's a contact for your legal department. Is that where we're at? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaysonSunshine ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
What is the best way to grab the email of a Wikipedian you're talking with (you in this case, hehe). JaysonSunshine ( talk) 03:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
After all that effort, apparently WP:NOPRICES says we may not detail Freddo inflation! Incidentally, I had not previously noticed the existence of /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Freddo_inflation whom I now guess is an experienced editor (perhaps an admin or steward or founder) who needed to create a separate account because they preferred their enthusiasm for Freddos not to become public. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 20:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
This [3] is ... odd, at best. Unless there was an RFC I missed, there's absolutely no policy reason to cease discussion with BlueSalix. We are (supposed to be) an encyclopedia, and he (was) an editor -- so any action has a non-zero probability of returning him to editing is good, and anything that impedes that is bad. And making a "request" backed by a threat is disingenuous -- and ironically exactly parallels the wording WMF employee Fabrice Florin used right before the Media Viewer debacle blew up.
You used to be better than this, and you're not the first arbitrator I've noted that on ... there seems to be something seriously wrong with the structure of arbcom that degrades some of our better editors into individuals whose actions -- while not technically violating any Wikipedia policies, are less helpful than they could be, and less in gestalt with the Five Pillars. NE Ent 09:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Re: your statement "Overall, I don't believe this issues is ripe for arbitration, but I do think it's getting close. I'm leaning decline, but am willing to be persuaded otherwise."
Can you give a little more detail about why you don't believe it is ripe, and the criteria for determining ripeness. What kind of persuasion would you need and what would make this an arbcom issue?
Mind you, I have just been named as a party to the case, by a clerk acting as a proxy for an anonymous arbitrator. I have no idea who had me added as a party to the case, or why, but it is pretty obvious to me that if I say anything that might have the effect of getting the thing accepted as a case, I stand a pretty good chance of being stomped on by the arbcom. I can't offhand think of anything more intimidating, unless it's the last week that I spent observing this gender gap group that somehow got on my watchlist.
This group isn't getting much guidance for solving their problem. They took it to ANI, and the thing was closed only a few hours after the voting started. So the only real community comment they got was that if a female editor doesn't want to be harassed, she should hide her identity. The only advice from the closing admin is that they should grow up. [5] I don't know if that's how this guy talks to his grandmother, it sounds pretty condescending to me, but he seemed to like that bit of advice enough to say it twice, not counting the first time he closed the case and had his close challenged. I tried to have a discussion with him on his talk page about it, and he called me "very emotionally involved", "irrational", repeated his "act like an adult" mantra, then he complained about my edit history, and insinuated that I was not a "useful member of Wikipedia". I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see an admin act this way, but I thought it was rude.
This group has been posting links to studies about governance and systemic bias, which I found interesting to skim, and it was pretty clear the group had a fairly knowlegable following, but since the ANI closed, TKOP reverted SlimVirgin's archiving of the off-topic and disruptive material, so it looks like from here on out, it's going to be the Eric Corbett, SPECIFICO, and Two Kinds of Pork show. Frankly, I've had enough of Corbett calling me a liar.
Is there any info I can provide to the committee that would help them in their deliberations about this matter? Otherwise I will be quite relieved to take this mess off my watchlist. Regards, — Neotarf ( talk) 22:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Dear Worm That Turned, please see
this polite request, and provide a positive thoughtful response there, if you have one. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 00:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC).
As a follow-up to your posting calm, level-headed posting awhile back: Do you mind checking in on a recent comment on the User talk:BlueSalix page? I'm not sure that bygones are allowed to be bygones - not that I haven't had some frustration with the user myself. There's no need to respond to me. Thanks!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 06:18, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, could you please look at this issue [ [6]]? Thank you. DocumentError ( talk) 19:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Worm! I'm interested in the WP:AAU program. It seems like you're a very experienced user, so I'd appreciate it if you could mentor me some time. I know all your slots are full at the moment, but when there's an open one, please let me know. Thanks! Writing Enthusiast ☎ 01:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Worm,
Remember I asked you once, if you're discussing our private email exchanges and me with demiurge1000? So, looks like it is proven now that you do. You were the one who offered me WP:RTV, which I declined not because I do not like to vanish (I do, it is my greatest wish), but because this option does not work, and it takes less than a second to locate a so-called vanished user. The communications were private, but somehow demiurge1000 found out about your offer and my decline of it. You're the only person who could have released the content of our private communications to the one of the worst wiki bullies demiurge1000. I am ready to apologize if I'm getting it wrong. 50.150.100.229 ( talk) 05:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to state this very clearly, here and now.
So, no. I have not, nor have I ever, discussed your "RTV" with Demiurge1000. I find this especially difficult as I have never discussed a RTV with you (to my recollection). I discussed renaming, not vanishing. WormTT( talk) 09:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
So, here is the thing. First edit by Bluesalix after his unblock [7], is a delete !vote on an AFD of an article I created last week. Granted, he is now unblocked and he can do whatever he wants, but I find it hard to believe that this is coincidental. After all he has gone through, and the substantial feedback he has gotten through that process, his first edit related to an article and subject that he has never edited before, is basically a silly taunt. See what he has replaced his user page with [8]. - Cwobeel (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Your last suggestion of making this the last post is a good one, BS. Have you both forgotten this is Worm That Turned's talkpage? What a thread for him to find upon logging in. Please shut up both of you until Worm is at leisure to comment here. At least until then. Bishonen | talk 00:17, 21 September 2014 (UTC).
WTT, thanks for avoiding temptation to full protect the Blue Salix talk page. NE Ent 00:22, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Your response to my comment is appreciated, although I see it has already archived. There is much here to be considered. Regards, — Neotarf ( talk) 15:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Re the username discussion here: I always thought your name ought to be "Wyrm That Turned". A lot more fearsome. A wyrm could engage on (almost) equal terms with Bishzilla; a worm is lucky if it gets as much as pocketed. Bishonen | talk 10:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC).
Hi Worm TT, at the Manchester meetup you said that you might be able to grant me Template Editor rights so that I can edit the geonotice without being an Admin. However, I don't think it's a template, it's a javascript gadget - see MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice-list.js. So Template Editor probably wouldn't work. Do you know if there is another way? (However, having Template Editor rights might still be useful to me - see Template talk:Welcome to Wikipedia#Edit request.) Cheers, Bazonka ( talk) 19:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Whatever the time limit on draft RFCUs is, I think User:Worm That Turned/Eric Corbett exceeds. NE Ent 22:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
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Dealing with a committee - I cannot get agreement on even the most basic points, because the committee is incapable of agreeing - and half of them are inactive.
I have laid down, I think a very tight argument:
Now if any arbitrator could give me a reason to doubt the steps, we could discuss it - but no one has. And yet, some of them continue to think that these additional sanctions are "avoiding disruption" - or so it seems.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough, 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
Was there a discussion on this? Where and when was it? Nightscream ( talk) 23:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
You've got some, too. The editor who uses the pseudonym " JamesBWatson" ( talk) 12:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I would welcome enlightenment.
"Rich Farmbrough is warned that the committee is likely to take a severe view of further violations, and may consider replacing his automation restriction with a site ban"
Is not enlightening, it is a simple threat.
Let me reveal that I have violated the restrictions by, for example, pasting the quote above.
Again no-one has said "Yes well, that's fine, obviously we don't mean that." I take it on myself to assume that this is quite legitimate, even though it is technically not "typing in the box". And no one has said "No, absolutely you cannot cut and paste an ISBN number."
So I am left feeling in the dark, around a sanction that is no more clear than "I don't know what it is , but I know it when I see it".
And all over the "edit by typing in the box" which, as I believe I have convincingly shown, is completely beside the point.
Furthermore this pettifogging over the "edit in the box" prevents me from effectively editing manually, and provides a smokescreen over the more substantive issues of the Arb Case, which are far more worrying, and deserve to be dealt with properly.
I await enlightenment.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough, 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
talk page stalker] Having ploughed through Richard's edits in this comment section, trying to figure out the reasons for the torches and pitchforks that came out in his last request to ArbCom, I have certainly gotten some idea of "will no one rid me of this turbulent editor". The edits that were brought to Arbcom's attention were not done in article space, but at Articles for Creation, and it seemed to me that while the edits were not perfect, the end result was a collaboration with many editors that eventually made the article ready to publish. This was one of my very early Arbitration Reports, but as I continued to follow the ArbCom for the rest of their year, through other cases, I came to understand it a little better. Some editors manage to "exhaust the good-will of the community" and it seems like this is what has happened here. Everyone needs a proofreader, I need one myself, but when issues are raised, never mind WP:DEADLINE, you have to respond to people's concerns, and in a timely manner. So somehow some issues did not get resolved, and there is now a very low tolerance for any issues at all.
There were a couple of things that I thought made the Arbcom look bad at the time, that I hope are not repeated this time. One was Rich's AE block, done on the say-so of one arb, which I thought cut off some valuable discussion, and perhaps contributed to preventing an earlier resolution of the situation. We saw a similar AE block with the Argentine History case; I hope ArbCom tightens this up for the future. Another was an explanation of Rich's restrictions that could not be understood by either technical or non-technical people, much less Rich himself. But it looks like that dialogue is now well underway. — Neotarf ( talk) 09:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Dave, I appreciate your comparatively sane note at the current RF A/R/C. I.e., you note that obviously whoever creates such a bot is responsible for it, and, while it may not be obvious why it is useful, surely RF's use of it—simply because he made a feature request for it—would have nothing more to do with his restrictions than his use of any other archiving bot would. You have always struck me as a pretty reasonable person. However, I would suggest to you that his feature requests maybe don't suggest bad faith. I like to think of myself as a reasonable person, too, and I have to say I can not make any sense of your comment It's exactly that sort of behaviour that stops people from assuming good faith with your behaviour
. I literally have no idea why someone who is told not to automate himself making feature requests for someone else to build is immediately indicative of bad faith.
ErikHaugen (
talk |
contribs) 21:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Rich came to us a couple of weeks ago, asking for a reduction in his restriction so he could archive his talk page. Some arbitrators were dead set against it all together, others pointed out that he could use an existing bot without issue. Rich's reaction was to go to the bot request noticeboard and ask for a new bot to be created. It's not against the letter of the restriction, but it's certainly against the spirit. The spirit, as I explained to Rich at the time in this very thread was that he should [become] a computer simpleton, who understands basic wiki-markup and wants to write articles or work in that matter. You can read the conversation above. Asking for a complex bot to be written for him is certainly nowhere near the spirit of the restriction. It appears that Rich is trying to get round his restriction, a number of people have said it. Actions like that are the reason why. WormTT( talk) 13:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I would welcome enlightenment.
"Rich Farmbrough is warned that the committee is likely to take a severe view of further violations, and may consider replacing his automation restriction with a site ban"
Is not enlightening, it is a simple threat.
Let me reveal that I have violated the restrictions by, for example, pasting the quote above.
Again no-one has said "Yes well, that's fine, obviously we don't mean that." I take it on myself to assume that this is quite legitimate, even though it is technically not "typing in the box". And no one has said "No, absolutely you cannot cut and paste an ISBN number."
So I am left feeling in the dark, around a sanction that is no more clear than "I don't know what it is , but I know it when I see it".
And all over the "edit by typing in the box" which, as I believe I have convincingly shown, is completely beside the point.
Furthermore this pettifogging over the "edit in the box" prevents me from effectively editing manually, and provides a smokescreen over the more substantive issues of the Arb Case, which are far more worrying, and deserve to be dealt with properly.
I await enlightenment.
All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough, 22:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC).
talk page stalker] Having ploughed through Richard's edits in this comment section, trying to figure out the reasons for the torches and pitchforks that came out in his last request to ArbCom, I have certainly gotten some idea of "will no one rid me of this turbulent editor". The edits that were brought to Arbcom's attention were not done in article space, but at Articles for Creation, and it seemed to me that while the edits were not perfect, the end result was a collaboration with many editors that eventually made the article ready to publish. This was one of my very early Arbitration Reports, but as I continued to follow the ArbCom for the rest of their year, through other cases, I came to understand it a little better. Some editors manage to "exhaust the good-will of the community" and it seems like this is what has happened here. Everyone needs a proofreader, I need one myself, but when issues are raised, never mind WP:DEADLINE, you have to respond to people's concerns, and in a timely manner. So somehow some issues did not get resolved, and there is now a very low tolerance for any issues at all.
There were a couple of things that I thought made the Arbcom look bad at the time, that I hope are not repeated this time. One was Rich's AE block, done on the say-so of one arb, which I thought cut off some valuable discussion, and perhaps contributed to preventing an earlier resolution of the situation. We saw a similar AE block with the Argentine History case; I hope ArbCom tightens this up for the future. Another was an explanation of Rich's restrictions that could not be understood by either technical or non-technical people, much less Rich himself. But it looks like that dialogue is now well underway. — Neotarf ( talk) 09:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Dave, I appreciate your comparatively sane note at the current RF A/R/C. I.e., you note that obviously whoever creates such a bot is responsible for it, and, while it may not be obvious why it is useful, surely RF's use of it—simply because he made a feature request for it—would have nothing more to do with his restrictions than his use of any other archiving bot would. You have always struck me as a pretty reasonable person. However, I would suggest to you that his feature requests maybe don't suggest bad faith. I like to think of myself as a reasonable person, too, and I have to say I can not make any sense of your comment It's exactly that sort of behaviour that stops people from assuming good faith with your behaviour
. I literally have no idea why someone who is told not to automate himself making feature requests for someone else to build is immediately indicative of bad faith.
ErikHaugen (
talk |
contribs) 21:54, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Rich came to us a couple of weeks ago, asking for a reduction in his restriction so he could archive his talk page. Some arbitrators were dead set against it all together, others pointed out that he could use an existing bot without issue. Rich's reaction was to go to the bot request noticeboard and ask for a new bot to be created. It's not against the letter of the restriction, but it's certainly against the spirit. The spirit, as I explained to Rich at the time in this very thread was that he should [become] a computer simpleton, who understands basic wiki-markup and wants to write articles or work in that matter. You can read the conversation above. Asking for a complex bot to be written for him is certainly nowhere near the spirit of the restriction. It appears that Rich is trying to get round his restriction, a number of people have said it. Actions like that are the reason why. WormTT( talk) 13:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your message on my talk page. I have received it and understand the conditions. Although my return is temporary and editing will not be too frequent like before, I appreciate the arbitration committee's trust. Nadirali نادرالی ( talk) 18:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
One question I have, what about topics that are apolitical? Am i banned form editing those? I mean articles that have nothing to do with politics, just regular articles. Nadirali نادرالی ( talk) 20:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, this is a quick note to say that I hope to get time properly to reply to your comment here later today, though it might have to defer until tomorrow. With regard to "restricted from areas that you don't appear to be", I believe my examples were based on comments such as "Category (1) probably falls within the restriction" where this explicitly included the WSPU (Suffrage), this was a comment by NYB here. I agree that I would not normally interpret sexuality as including suffrage, neither is sexual identity normally interpreted as sexuality. I am happy to admit that I may well have misunderstood the text, so I'll be careful in linking back to Arbcom member comments. It is obviously not in my interest to exaggerate the extent of the ban. I am finding it tricky not to come across as wiki-lawyering using dictionary definitions of these words and I am endeavouring to stay as focused as I can on previously expressed views from Arbcom members. Thanks -- Fæ ( talk) 13:07, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This is a note to let the main editors of Doom Bar know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on May 8, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite ( talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 8, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:
The Doom Bar is a sandbar at the mouth of the estuary of the River Camel on the north coast of Cornwall, England. It is composed mainly of marine sand, more than 60 per cent of which is derived from marine shells making it an important source of agricultural lime which has been collected for hundreds of years. According to tradition, the Doom Bar formed in the reign of Henry VIII, damaging the prosperity of the port of Padstow a mile up the estuary. Until the 20th century, access to Padstow's harbour was via a narrow and difficult channel between the Doom Bar and the cliffs at Stepper Point, and many ships were wrecked on the Doom Bar, including the 12-gun schooner HMS Whiting in 1816. In the early 20th century the main channel moved away from the cliffs, and continued dredging has made it much safer for boats, but deaths have occurred on the bar as recently as 1997. A Cornish folklore legend relates that a mermaid created the bar as a dying curse on the harbour after she was shot by a local man. The Doom Bar has been used in poetry to symbolise feelings of melancholy, and it has given its name to the flagship ale from Sharp's Brewery. ( Full article...)
You (and your talk-page stalkers) may also be interested to hear that there have been some changes at the TFA requests page recently. Nominators no longer need to calculate how many "points" an article has, the instructions have been simplified, and there's a new nomination system using templates based on those used for DYK suggestions. Please consider nominating another article, or commenting on an existing nomination, and leaving some feedback on your experience. Thank you. UcuchaBot ( talk) 23:01, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations on a fine FA - I'll raise a pint in your honour next time I'm out West (though I'm more of a Honey drinker, myself...). Yunshui 雲 水 09:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia has finally driven me to drink and it's all your fault. I spotted a bottle of Doom Bar on the shelves of my local Sainsburys yesterday and am now sampling it - purely for research purposes, of course. If you hadn't written the article about Doom Bar, I would never have bought it. Bencherlite Talk 21:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
It is not a good idea, and not useful, to turn the discussion over AGK towards Kumioko. Any attempt in that direction should be backed by rock solid reason, and rock solid evidence. For example accusing Kumioko of gloating is a matter of interpretation. If you want to state he edited mainly from IP's you should back that up with edit numbers - certainly the promiscuous range blocks make it unlikely that he edited mainly from DoD IP's and indeed there is some suggestion that DoD IPs have not been used for a considerable period of time.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 12:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC).
It would be amusing to see how administrators responded if editors started reporting their misdeeds to their employers. Should the employers of our admin corps be made aware of the extensive history of socking, copyright violations, policy abuses, harassment, intimidation, dishonesty, and other abuses that so many admins and arbs have engaged in? Should there be a standardized notification process or should it be left up to individual editors to decide how the information should be communicated? Candleabracadabra ( talk) 17:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
You may think you can go away for the weekend, but do you realise the impact that your actions have on the international scene? Oh dear... "it has come to epitomise British cuisine in Chinese eyes." -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 01:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Malke 2010 ( talk) 15:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello Dave, it's sure been a while
A few days ago, I ran into content removal on the Moorabbin Airport article [1] by user Goodmoor – so I proceeded with reverting the removal and notifying them about the removal on their talk. Anyway today they removed the same content again, and left a note on their talk explaining that "this matter is currently going through a legal process and therefore cannot be commented on". Prior to reading this message, I reverted the edit again. Once I read the message, I responded explaining why I believe their content removal was innapropriate [2].
However, seeing as there is a legal matter, should they contact the Foundation, and request this content be removed for said legal reasons? or should this content be simply removed, end of? regards, — MelbourneStar☆ talk 07:19, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, do you mind taking a look at User_talk:Fæ#Suggestion for editing and Talk:Warren_Cup#Promoting_to_Good_Article? I would enjoy helping to get the article to GA. Based on the British Museum's dating and numerous authoritative papers, the artefact has been identified as from the 1st century AD, however there have been challenges to this dating, as you can read in the current article (which I worked on in 2010). As I don't intend to introduce any new images to the current article (I'll leave that to other editors), but help with prose, format and improving sources in order to propose a GA review, I think this is not an issue under the topic ban as currently stated. I would appreciate your viewpoint. -- Fæ ( talk) 13:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Note: I am also sending this message to David
Hello Worm and David! I hope this message finds you at a good time. I was searching through the arbcom list of active arbitrators and found that only three of you remain active from the Argentine History case (how incredible that a year has already passed?). I wanted to thank you both for having believed in me (even if one of you, ehem...David...ehem, was a bit harsh by mentioning a certain rope). I have indeed fulfilled my promise to bring the article Falkland Islands to featured status, in order to demonstrate that the sanctions applied against me were far too harsh and misled by misinformation (or perhaps disinformation). During this past year I have also led two articles to featured status, the Peru national football team and Pisco Sour.
Before appealing the sanction, I would first like to continue demonstrating my quality as a serious editor by taking the article of the United States to featured status (my current sandbox plan is here, including planned pictures and a new introduction). However, since part of US history overlaps with the history of Latin America, my question to you both is if me working on this tangential topic within the US article would would be an issue? Regards.-- MarshalN20 Talk 18:10, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Mimi: bin ich hier richtig? Ich weis es nicht. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urheber- Mimi Lyrik 07.07.2014 ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
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Hey Dave—
I've noticed you've been dipping your toe in the pond at Wil's site. I doubt much will come of that but there is some talk about something else. Please drop me an email off-list at your convenience: ShoeHutch@gmail.com best regards, —Tim //// Carrite ( talk) 02:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
High quality assimilation and accurate re-presentation of reliable sources was dinned into me years ago in my day job; the tricky bit is remembering (and making due allowance for) the likelihood that other editors haven't had that indoctrination and can be possessively proud about quite ropey stuff and agressively antipathetic about good stuff that doesn't fit their preconceptions. (Present company excepted of course)
As a small token of appreciation I have added a bit on Parsley Peel and descendents to Oswaldtwistle, if only because Hyndburn Council are convinced that the future PM was born at Oswaldtwistle too - sooner or later somebody will import that (suitably referenced) into Wikipedia, after which it will be regarded as semi-official....After that, I'm off back to the Factory Acts before they get filled up with factoids from 'life in olden times' websites .... Rjccumbria ( talk) 21:25, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I have filed an enforcement request for possible I-ban violations by John Carter as we discussed. Ignocrates ( talk) 14:59, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
support
Thank you for your generous support wherever it's needed, adopting mentees, proposing candidates, supporting them ("a knack for saying the right thing and getting stuff done"), helping fellow editors
to get out of
WP:Great Dismal Swamp, - you are an
awesome Wikipedian!
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
A year ago, you were the 203rd recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize. Today see also, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:19, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
HI Dave (Worm), I appreciate your reaching out. Not sure there is anything more for me to do, but I sure have learned a lot about Wikipedia in the last day, enough to be really fascinated. It seems like it is an entire world of virtual people scuffling, shifting, debating, working against each other sometimes, with each other at others to keep a kind of, hmm, ever mutating hive of human data going. It's pretty cool, but also scary and daunting. Scary because of the parts of human beings that are ugly are revealed, and cool because the parts of human beings that are really great are revealed, and daunting due to both. As for the page on me, that will play out and be whatever it is. Thank you. Lmccullough ( talk) 14:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry to bother you, but I believe this needs to be looked into. I've recently observed a situation where a blocking admin extended the block of a person he blocked before the blocked user's appeal for unblock could be reviewed, therefore effectively denying that user his/her right to appeal the block.
I've read the lengthy appeal of that user and I believe the administrator's actions all along the way were unreasonably abusive towards that user and that the administrator failed to assume good faith from the very start.
Please go to /info/en/?search=User_talk:I_really_need_that_username and take a look.
You'll notice that the user was forced by the edit filter to use pastebin to publish his appeal and asked for an admin's help in transferring the text of the appeal from there to his talk page, but even that was denied and so to read the appeal where the user presents his take on the situation, you will have to follow that link which is part of his denied appeal.
As far as I can see, the user's intentions were genuinely good, and his creation of another account was in the spirit of Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules. I honestly believe that this user's case deserves to be looked into by someone impartial, and if it's determined the user was indeed treated inappropriately, it would probably be a good idea to take a look at other actions performed by the admin that blocked him.
Thank you for your time. 201.167.11.68 ( talk) 21:14, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Rlevse is mentioned as a party in a requested arb case. As - I thought - everybody knows he has not edited under that user name from 2010, and not under PumpkinSky from 2013. (There was this infoboxes case and other events he considered unfair.) - I am - as everybody knows - pretty unfamiliar with correct proceedings. Please, you do what needs to be done. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:02, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar, although it's a little worrying that just being nice is a criteria for getting one these days! Was good to meet yourself too :) Number 5 7 10:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Please. I have done so many violations on it that I need help fixing my mistakes. People are kinda worried because I'm not suppose to create categories. Maybe you could speak on my behalf. I'm wondering if you what categories are suitable to create and not suitable to create. I'm not banned yet you see; I just can't create categories I do have some mental health issues. Please Venustar84 ( talk) 14:07, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Some of the images are by the banned editor, and are not very good at all. I plan to remove any by the banned editor, and add some of my own as soon as I take them. I also intend to remove some of the history and the inline citations with them. After looking them over, I think I can improve both text and images. Some are harder than others, but I can do them. I will tell you when to look them over, but I doubt I will struggle with them at all. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 20:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi worm that turned. You came to the Queen Street Mill Wikipedia event last year, and helped a number of people get started. I was wondering whether you would be willing to come along and do the same for on event we are holding at Judges Lodgings on 20th September? Would be great to see you again. User:jhayward001 — Preceding undated comment added 07:47, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi User:worm that turned, Great news. I look forward to seeing you and User:Staceydolxx on 20th September. Did you get the information I sent by e-mail? User: jhayward001 — Preceding undated comment added 10:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps a gentile reminder is in order. Your call. Ignocrates ( talk) 20:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
John Carter, I'm not happy with the edit that Ignocrates points out either, nor your posting here as a response to him - the correct place to complain about violations of the IBan is AE and bringing it up at ANI is again an issue - less so this time as Ignocrates had just violated his, but problematic because you've just come off a block for the same. Again, I would be blocking if I did Arbcom Enforcement. WormTT( talk) 07:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.
As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.
Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.
The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.
Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.
In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.
Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.
If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.
Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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Surely reverting is undoing an action. A suggested compromise is not a reversion. I see my change has stuck so that clearly is acceptable. Perhaps I am also one of those who are not here to build an encyclopaedia? Spartaz Humbug! 07:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
This is a quote, found following your advice to read the infoboxes case again. Please look at the latest entry on my talk which asked me to participate in the discussion about infoboxes which will not be stopped by eliminating a few people. I would like your advice - like as a mentor - how to react, after establishing my position. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:21, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
In Freundschaft means "in friendship", - "especially poignant" -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Can I discuss this issue with your further, or will you ban? If I cannot speak with you, what is my escalation? I see there's a contact for your legal department. Is that where we're at? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaysonSunshine ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
What is the best way to grab the email of a Wikipedian you're talking with (you in this case, hehe). JaysonSunshine ( talk) 03:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
After all that effort, apparently WP:NOPRICES says we may not detail Freddo inflation! Incidentally, I had not previously noticed the existence of /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Freddo_inflation whom I now guess is an experienced editor (perhaps an admin or steward or founder) who needed to create a separate account because they preferred their enthusiasm for Freddos not to become public. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 20:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
This [3] is ... odd, at best. Unless there was an RFC I missed, there's absolutely no policy reason to cease discussion with BlueSalix. We are (supposed to be) an encyclopedia, and he (was) an editor -- so any action has a non-zero probability of returning him to editing is good, and anything that impedes that is bad. And making a "request" backed by a threat is disingenuous -- and ironically exactly parallels the wording WMF employee Fabrice Florin used right before the Media Viewer debacle blew up.
You used to be better than this, and you're not the first arbitrator I've noted that on ... there seems to be something seriously wrong with the structure of arbcom that degrades some of our better editors into individuals whose actions -- while not technically violating any Wikipedia policies, are less helpful than they could be, and less in gestalt with the Five Pillars. NE Ent 09:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Re: your statement "Overall, I don't believe this issues is ripe for arbitration, but I do think it's getting close. I'm leaning decline, but am willing to be persuaded otherwise."
Can you give a little more detail about why you don't believe it is ripe, and the criteria for determining ripeness. What kind of persuasion would you need and what would make this an arbcom issue?
Mind you, I have just been named as a party to the case, by a clerk acting as a proxy for an anonymous arbitrator. I have no idea who had me added as a party to the case, or why, but it is pretty obvious to me that if I say anything that might have the effect of getting the thing accepted as a case, I stand a pretty good chance of being stomped on by the arbcom. I can't offhand think of anything more intimidating, unless it's the last week that I spent observing this gender gap group that somehow got on my watchlist.
This group isn't getting much guidance for solving their problem. They took it to ANI, and the thing was closed only a few hours after the voting started. So the only real community comment they got was that if a female editor doesn't want to be harassed, she should hide her identity. The only advice from the closing admin is that they should grow up. [5] I don't know if that's how this guy talks to his grandmother, it sounds pretty condescending to me, but he seemed to like that bit of advice enough to say it twice, not counting the first time he closed the case and had his close challenged. I tried to have a discussion with him on his talk page about it, and he called me "very emotionally involved", "irrational", repeated his "act like an adult" mantra, then he complained about my edit history, and insinuated that I was not a "useful member of Wikipedia". I suppose I shouldn't be surprised to see an admin act this way, but I thought it was rude.
This group has been posting links to studies about governance and systemic bias, which I found interesting to skim, and it was pretty clear the group had a fairly knowlegable following, but since the ANI closed, TKOP reverted SlimVirgin's archiving of the off-topic and disruptive material, so it looks like from here on out, it's going to be the Eric Corbett, SPECIFICO, and Two Kinds of Pork show. Frankly, I've had enough of Corbett calling me a liar.
Is there any info I can provide to the committee that would help them in their deliberations about this matter? Otherwise I will be quite relieved to take this mess off my watchlist. Regards, — Neotarf ( talk) 22:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Dear Worm That Turned, please see
this polite request, and provide a positive thoughtful response there, if you have one. All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 00:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC).
As a follow-up to your posting calm, level-headed posting awhile back: Do you mind checking in on a recent comment on the User talk:BlueSalix page? I'm not sure that bygones are allowed to be bygones - not that I haven't had some frustration with the user myself. There's no need to respond to me. Thanks!-- CaroleHenson ( talk) 06:18, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello, could you please look at this issue [ [6]]? Thank you. DocumentError ( talk) 19:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Worm! I'm interested in the WP:AAU program. It seems like you're a very experienced user, so I'd appreciate it if you could mentor me some time. I know all your slots are full at the moment, but when there's an open one, please let me know. Thanks! Writing Enthusiast ☎ 01:57, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello Worm,
Remember I asked you once, if you're discussing our private email exchanges and me with demiurge1000? So, looks like it is proven now that you do. You were the one who offered me WP:RTV, which I declined not because I do not like to vanish (I do, it is my greatest wish), but because this option does not work, and it takes less than a second to locate a so-called vanished user. The communications were private, but somehow demiurge1000 found out about your offer and my decline of it. You're the only person who could have released the content of our private communications to the one of the worst wiki bullies demiurge1000. I am ready to apologize if I'm getting it wrong. 50.150.100.229 ( talk) 05:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to state this very clearly, here and now.
So, no. I have not, nor have I ever, discussed your "RTV" with Demiurge1000. I find this especially difficult as I have never discussed a RTV with you (to my recollection). I discussed renaming, not vanishing. WormTT( talk) 09:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
So, here is the thing. First edit by Bluesalix after his unblock [7], is a delete !vote on an AFD of an article I created last week. Granted, he is now unblocked and he can do whatever he wants, but I find it hard to believe that this is coincidental. After all he has gone through, and the substantial feedback he has gotten through that process, his first edit related to an article and subject that he has never edited before, is basically a silly taunt. See what he has replaced his user page with [8]. - Cwobeel (talk) 01:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Your last suggestion of making this the last post is a good one, BS. Have you both forgotten this is Worm That Turned's talkpage? What a thread for him to find upon logging in. Please shut up both of you until Worm is at leisure to comment here. At least until then. Bishonen | talk 00:17, 21 September 2014 (UTC).
WTT, thanks for avoiding temptation to full protect the Blue Salix talk page. NE Ent 00:22, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Your response to my comment is appreciated, although I see it has already archived. There is much here to be considered. Regards, — Neotarf ( talk) 15:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Re the username discussion here: I always thought your name ought to be "Wyrm That Turned". A lot more fearsome. A wyrm could engage on (almost) equal terms with Bishzilla; a worm is lucky if it gets as much as pocketed. Bishonen | talk 10:05, 26 September 2014 (UTC).
Hi Worm TT, at the Manchester meetup you said that you might be able to grant me Template Editor rights so that I can edit the geonotice without being an Admin. However, I don't think it's a template, it's a javascript gadget - see MediaWiki:Gadget-geonotice-list.js. So Template Editor probably wouldn't work. Do you know if there is another way? (However, having Template Editor rights might still be useful to me - see Template talk:Welcome to Wikipedia#Edit request.) Cheers, Bazonka ( talk) 19:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Whatever the time limit on draft RFCUs is, I think User:Worm That Turned/Eric Corbett exceeds. NE Ent 22:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC)