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I am in the process of getting a new computer, so I didn't bother trying to sign in. However, your deletion on the introductory paragraph denying influence of Ukraine war on inflation was irresponsible. It was a citation from the Peer Review Group. So, you not only indicated that they were wrong to say that, you also removed the reference to the source! This is not acceptable. Add contradictory info (with its citation) if you want, but don't do what you did! -- Robert92107 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:5600:42:8CC3:D73D:61CC:1B16 ( talk) 11:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hello Srich32977. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Pierre Moulin, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7: specialist in WWII history is a credible claim of significance. Thank you. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 18:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
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I am not sure why you removed spaced en dash templates from Clipper and replaced them with em dashes. Firstly the templates are there for a reason (so that line breaks work properly) and secondly an M dash is not a reasonable substitution for a spaced N dash when that is the style adopted in the article. (I note, incidentally, that the examples of use of en dashes and em dashes as punctuation in MOS:DASH uses just en dashes. In my opinion, a spaced en dash is much more readable than an em dash when used in this way.) Do you have a reason for your edits that I have missed?
In the meantime, I have reinstated the spaced en dash templates that were removed in your edits. I have also reinstated spaced en dashes that someone has previously removed from the article. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 09:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
This edit, and possibly other because it is a work cited in many places, is not helpful: Special:Diff/1164611993 . The ISBN is printed as listed and this can be confirmed here , and by anyone with that exact edition of the referenced work. The invalid printed ISBN helps confirm and identify the exact work used to make the reference. The Invalid ISBN template gives it the correct context and is perfectly valid in this case. Adding an OCLC number is a useful edit, but removing the invalid ISBN tag is generally not (unless the content is not even ISBN-like). It looks like you are on a run of Invalid ISBN removals, please stop.
Please re-consider removing information from bibliographic citations based solely on online catalog entries. The ISBN hyphenation removal which you have been asked to stop is an example of this. I have seen some dates you converted to year only. While there are often some spurious date precision in references, there's no guarantee the whoever added the full date doesn't know more about it than you do (perhaps the month is printed in the book
Special:Diff/1164581717, or maybe the dates came from a publisher catalog, and there is even a small chance the specific date is relevant. In the absence of such knowledge, don't delete the data. Worldcat itself will have fuller bibliographic details (in MARC format) which lists invalid ISBNs, but their web interface hides a lot of this. One online interface to a library catalog is not a substitute for the actual item, and it is conceivable that the catalog is not complete. Similarly, blindly converting ISBN10s to 13s on pre-2007 books shows a reliance on catalogs over the actual material. Forcing real citations to match a catalog for its own sake is not a useful goal. And while I'm at it, adding single hyphens to existing ISBNs is not a helpful edit either. 978-nnnnnnnnn-n
is a safe scheme (2 hyphens) when adding a new reference and is probably better than nothing, but it suggests that editor perhaps never really sighted the actual book. Adding a single hyphen to an un-hyphenated ISBN is a definite indicator the actual book has not been sighted. Consider using {{
Format ISBN}} to have a bot do the full hyphenation where you consider it needed, or leave ISBNs to other editors.
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Hi, I'm a little confused by this edit. I believe it's recommended to include the hyphens in ISBNs to make them more human-readable. I'm not aware that there is any benefit to removing them? I'd be grateful if you could explain this for me. Thanks. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 06:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Use hyphens if they are included, as they divide the number into meaningful parts. The placement of hyphens varies depending on the value of the ISBN.This how-to guide says nothing about consistency, which appears to be a personal preference in this case. If there are two books with ISBNs cited in an article, and the ISBN in the first printed book did not include hyphenation in its information page, but the second book did include hyphenation, this how-to guide appears to indicate that you should include the hyphenation in the second book's ISBN. You are removing that meaning and information from pages. Please stop. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Re this -- mea culpa; I know there's a way to find the hyphenation of ISBNs that are unhyphenated but I can never remember where it is or how to do it. But thanks for doing that. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Hyphens helped in the reading and writing of the numbers, but not now.Having looked over some of the previous discussions on your talk page and at ANI, I can see you have strong opinions on this subject and aren't likely to change your mind, but I still feel obliged to refute your repeated assertion that nobody reads or writes any more. Even in the 21st century, many editors do their work with physical books in front of them. I almost always type out ISBNs rather than copypasting them from somewhere, and naturally I include the hyphens because then it's easier to check that I've typed it correctly. And when I'm looking for an offline source that's cited in an article, I check that the source's ISBN matches the article citation, which is much easier to do if the hyphens are included. You seem to assume that the only purpose of an ISBN is to serve as a quick link to Special:BookSources, but when multiple people are telling you that they use ISBNs differently, the reasonable thing to do is to believe them. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 23:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
spaces and hyphens do not matter with Special:BookSourcesThat is correct; spaces and hyphens do not affect the search results of Special:BookSources. But as I just said, not everybody is using ISBNs exclusively for running searches on Special:BookSources. People also read and check them manually, and removing the hyphens makes this more difficult.
hyphen lovers invent reasons to like them and admonish meI find this claim incredibly frustrating. What do you believe our motive is for pretending to find hyphens useful? I count 15 editors over here telling you that hyphens make their life easier; are all these people in a conspiracy against you? People edit the encyclopedia in different ways. For instance, I've never had a use for ISSNs, so I don't include them in citations; but I also don't remove them when present, because other people say they find them useful – and per WP:AGF, I do not assume that these people are all lying.
Google Books, WorldCat, Amazon, OpenLibrary, LibraryThing, GoodReads, CCC Marketplace and Karlsruher Virtueller Katalog are all producing un-hyphenated ISBN resultsI'm only guessing, but possibly that's because these websites are generating ISBNs automatically, and do not have the advantage of an army of human editors to check and type them out correctly. In any case, what other websites do is irrelevant; their goals are not the same as ours.
GOGE says that Consistency is a goal.In the first place, that's a how-to guide, which does not override WP:ISBN; secondly, you might wish to review the #Etiquette section of that page. But let us grant that consistency is a goal; this does not mean that those parts of an article which align with best practice should be dragged down to the level of those that don't. If a word were consistently misspelt throughout an article, and only spelt correctly in one place, nobody would fix that problem by amending the correctly-spelt word to match the misspellings. The same principle applies here: if there is a mix of hyphenated and unhyphenated ISBNs, and you wish to make them consistent, the way to do that is to add ISBNs where they are missing.
I won’t go and seek out the “proper” hyphen-patterns, because as Mike Christie admits it is a bothersome taskYes, adding hyphens is more difficult than removing them. If you don't wish to take on that task, you don't have to. But that is no justification for removing hyphens where they are present. Besides which, you have been shown a very easy method of adding hyphens, via {{ Format ISBN}}, so it is strange that you are still making this argument.Another common argument of yours is that some featured articles use unhyphenated ISBNs. But a featured article is not a perfect article; if it were, we would lock it into place and never allow it to be edited again. A featured article is specifically an article that meets the criteria at WP:FACR, which does not go into minutiae about ISBN hyphens. I doubt anyone would object if you were to add hyphens to the references of these articles, because this would represent a clear improvement, and even an FA can be improved.I sincerely hope this helps you to understand why numerous people are taking issue with your edits. I'm happy to continue this conversation if you have any specific questions about anything I've said, but please do not respond to this by repeating the same points over again. Editing against consensus, and refusing to engage with those who are telling you to stop, is disruptive editing, and may result in sanctions. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 07:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
It parrots press releases by attorneys seeking reparations from the City of Palm Springs and is factually incorrect. PalmSpringsFacts ( talk) 16:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Please! correct an information about chanakya he belongs to "Bhumihar Brahmin" not "Brahmin" caste. 2409:408A:2B85:BFB4:0:0:3B88:3009 ( talk) 14:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in June! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in May. - I had a good story on coronation day: the Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;)
I nominated Soňa Červená for GA just to give her a bit more exposure, and I took some pics of bright scenery - click on songs. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:22, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Pentecost was full of music, and my story today is that 300 years ago today, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your fix to Sex in this edit. Please be aware that blanks following leading asterisk are discretionary, and adding them (or removing them if already there) is not an improvement, and causes no change to the rendered page. This kind of change from one acceptable variant to another is best avoided. Thanks for all you do for the encyclopedia. Cheers, Mathglot ( talk)|
How is this a minor edit fixing a typo? Veverve ( talk) 15:50, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago (thanks to you!), and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. Also: a bit about the history of QAI on my talk. Thank you for being part of it! A new member designed a user box that I adopted. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
You are a wikipedia master. I am merely asking to surface the facts about Section 14. Somehow you deleted all our conversation. That seems unkind and unnecessary. The facts will out and the false information on this page will be discredited, eventually. I don't understand why you aren't interested in the actual facts. Alas. PalmSpringsFacts ( talk) 00:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in August! - Today, my focus is on Renata Scotto, after days of updating. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Today is Debussy's birthday. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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When you "fix typo" without noticing you are approving vandalism it makes me wonder if you are using the tools to best effect. Microscopes produce tunnel vision. Shenme ( talk) 02:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in October! - Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello there! I see you've been quite active in some things related to the above mentioned pages. I'm pinging you @ Srich32977: directly to ask for some help. I've started 3 initiatives for these pages. If you could spare some time in the near future, could you please take a look at the proposal and voice your opinion? Of course, if you have interest, time, and energy to participate that would be amazing!
Here are the projects:
1. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal for an overhaul of the article — this initiative is already in progress. The idea is to raise the quality of the page by switching it from a mere historical account to a more encyclopedic format.
2. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal to split the History into a dedicated page — related to the one above. The historical account is overly detailed. It would be much better to have a dedicated page for the history of philosophical pessimism and leave only a brief history in the main page.
3. Talk:Antinatalism#A proposal to create a dedicated page for Benatar's axiological asymmetry — here, the idea is to extract the axiological asymmetry argument into a dedicated page. This way, a more detailed presentation could be given. In addition, we could expand on the various responses others philosophers made and counters from Benatar. Other pages could have a brief description and link to the details page.
I hope at least some of this will spark your interest!
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Hello. Regarding your recent change to the short description of Carrington Event, I think that the clarification is redundant. Geomagnetic storms are all caused by solar phenomena, so adding "solar" before "geomagnetic storm" in the short description seems unnatural to me. CoronalMassAffection ( talk) 20:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
In
Special:Diff/1177903434/1181849792 you changed |last=Baumler|first=Alan
into |author= Alan Baumler
. Not only is this unnecessary, it's a backwards step. Best practice is convert all |author fields into |last |first because it increases the quality of the semantic information for data re-users, for example AI which needs to differentiate between first and last name with absolute accuracy. It also displays differently when using the first and last name arguments. --
Green
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There is a discussion involving you at ANI: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Srich32977_and_HighBeam .. this notification is required per the rules of ANI. -- Green C 22:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
A lot of these edits seem malformed. Please don't remove information/parameters from citations that are still in the pages. It's not useful. If there is an archive.org copy nothing at all need be done to the citation templates. If you want to remove dead links because there is no archive.org copy, just remove the whole citation and replace it with an appropriate template (e.g. {{ cn}}). Maybe I don't understand what you are trying to do or why you are doing it. Removing the "via" does nothing useful at all. The whole ref is still there just without that piece of information. —DIYeditor ( talk) 02:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
|via=
, that remains true if it's a dead, archived or live link. We have 10s of thousands of dead domains and I've never seen anyone do what you are doing. --
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@ GreenC: I think the best answer is at WP:Citing sources. We fulfill WP:V when we give the reader a citation that supports the content. In the case of HighBeam, we had a source that was an archive of sources. They pulled the plug on HighBeam, so -- in terms of urls -- we have the archives of the former archive. But WP:V comes from the original source. So I just edited Shadow Cliffs Regional Recreation Area. The WP:V comes from the Oakland Tribune story. The particular WP text includes the quote "direct geese away from the swim area" because of bacteria levels in the lake. But the dead HighBeam url and the archived Highbeam url do not include this quote. SO you are right -- we ought to remove the HighBeam urls. But that's a project that does not interest me. The basic information about the lake is in the Tribute story and the HighBeam links with its metadata verify the title, journal, author, and date. I've simply removed the "via HighBeam" to remove the implication that HighBeam is a reliable avenue to the actual source. Also, I'm removing the "subscription required" phrasing because there are no subscriptions. And when there is no archive url for the HighBeam url I remove mention of HighBeam altogether. Those non-archived urls have no metadata. This is all part of the joy of being a WikiGnome! – S. Rich ( talk) 15:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
{{
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, there is a section on via. If you want to discuss it, see the talk page for that template, there is a large and active community there (it's a general page for all cite templates). No doubt you are doing good work in other parts of HighBeam but it's unclear if subscription and via should be removed when a website is dead. If that is the case, the best methods might include adding them to tracking categories, emitting warning and/or maintenance messages, and employing bots to do the removals, is a lot easier and faster. --
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Thank you for what you do and stand for! I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
You've been around long enough that I'm confident that this was an accident instead of deliberate spamming for a Vietnamese online casino. I've removed it; out of curiosity, do you have any idea how it got in there? DS ( talk) 22:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving article quality in March! - I uploaded Madeira vacation pics (from back home, at least the first day) and remember Aribert Reimann. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving quality articles in February. - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
It would be nice if you could tag the projects inside the banner shell, because doing it outside of them causes issues. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 01:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in April! - Today is the 80th birthday of John Eliot Gardiner. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:19, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
I am in the process of getting a new computer, so I didn't bother trying to sign in. However, your deletion on the introductory paragraph denying influence of Ukraine war on inflation was irresponsible. It was a citation from the Peer Review Group. So, you not only indicated that they were wrong to say that, you also removed the reference to the source! This is not acceptable. Add contradictory info (with its citation) if you want, but don't do what you did! -- Robert92107 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:5600:42:8CC3:D73D:61CC:1B16 ( talk) 11:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi I'm ruokay23 and i enjoy eating food. I love all meats except for salami. Ruokay23. ( talk) 14:08, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Hello Srich32977. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Pierre Moulin, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7: specialist in WWII history is a credible claim of significance. Thank you. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 18:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
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I am not sure why you removed spaced en dash templates from Clipper and replaced them with em dashes. Firstly the templates are there for a reason (so that line breaks work properly) and secondly an M dash is not a reasonable substitution for a spaced N dash when that is the style adopted in the article. (I note, incidentally, that the examples of use of en dashes and em dashes as punctuation in MOS:DASH uses just en dashes. In my opinion, a spaced en dash is much more readable than an em dash when used in this way.) Do you have a reason for your edits that I have missed?
In the meantime, I have reinstated the spaced en dash templates that were removed in your edits. I have also reinstated spaced en dashes that someone has previously removed from the article. ThoughtIdRetired ( talk) 09:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
This edit, and possibly other because it is a work cited in many places, is not helpful: Special:Diff/1164611993 . The ISBN is printed as listed and this can be confirmed here , and by anyone with that exact edition of the referenced work. The invalid printed ISBN helps confirm and identify the exact work used to make the reference. The Invalid ISBN template gives it the correct context and is perfectly valid in this case. Adding an OCLC number is a useful edit, but removing the invalid ISBN tag is generally not (unless the content is not even ISBN-like). It looks like you are on a run of Invalid ISBN removals, please stop.
Please re-consider removing information from bibliographic citations based solely on online catalog entries. The ISBN hyphenation removal which you have been asked to stop is an example of this. I have seen some dates you converted to year only. While there are often some spurious date precision in references, there's no guarantee the whoever added the full date doesn't know more about it than you do (perhaps the month is printed in the book
Special:Diff/1164581717, or maybe the dates came from a publisher catalog, and there is even a small chance the specific date is relevant. In the absence of such knowledge, don't delete the data. Worldcat itself will have fuller bibliographic details (in MARC format) which lists invalid ISBNs, but their web interface hides a lot of this. One online interface to a library catalog is not a substitute for the actual item, and it is conceivable that the catalog is not complete. Similarly, blindly converting ISBN10s to 13s on pre-2007 books shows a reliance on catalogs over the actual material. Forcing real citations to match a catalog for its own sake is not a useful goal. And while I'm at it, adding single hyphens to existing ISBNs is not a helpful edit either. 978-nnnnnnnnn-n
is a safe scheme (2 hyphens) when adding a new reference and is probably better than nothing, but it suggests that editor perhaps never really sighted the actual book. Adding a single hyphen to an un-hyphenated ISBN is a definite indicator the actual book has not been sighted. Consider using {{
Format ISBN}} to have a bot do the full hyphenation where you consider it needed, or leave ISBNs to other editors.
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Hi, I'm a little confused by this edit. I believe it's recommended to include the hyphens in ISBNs to make them more human-readable. I'm not aware that there is any benefit to removing them? I'd be grateful if you could explain this for me. Thanks. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 06:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Use hyphens if they are included, as they divide the number into meaningful parts. The placement of hyphens varies depending on the value of the ISBN.This how-to guide says nothing about consistency, which appears to be a personal preference in this case. If there are two books with ISBNs cited in an article, and the ISBN in the first printed book did not include hyphenation in its information page, but the second book did include hyphenation, this how-to guide appears to indicate that you should include the hyphenation in the second book's ISBN. You are removing that meaning and information from pages. Please stop. – Jonesey95 ( talk) 02:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Re this -- mea culpa; I know there's a way to find the hyphenation of ISBNs that are unhyphenated but I can never remember where it is or how to do it. But thanks for doing that. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 21:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
Hyphens helped in the reading and writing of the numbers, but not now.Having looked over some of the previous discussions on your talk page and at ANI, I can see you have strong opinions on this subject and aren't likely to change your mind, but I still feel obliged to refute your repeated assertion that nobody reads or writes any more. Even in the 21st century, many editors do their work with physical books in front of them. I almost always type out ISBNs rather than copypasting them from somewhere, and naturally I include the hyphens because then it's easier to check that I've typed it correctly. And when I'm looking for an offline source that's cited in an article, I check that the source's ISBN matches the article citation, which is much easier to do if the hyphens are included. You seem to assume that the only purpose of an ISBN is to serve as a quick link to Special:BookSources, but when multiple people are telling you that they use ISBNs differently, the reasonable thing to do is to believe them. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 23:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
spaces and hyphens do not matter with Special:BookSourcesThat is correct; spaces and hyphens do not affect the search results of Special:BookSources. But as I just said, not everybody is using ISBNs exclusively for running searches on Special:BookSources. People also read and check them manually, and removing the hyphens makes this more difficult.
hyphen lovers invent reasons to like them and admonish meI find this claim incredibly frustrating. What do you believe our motive is for pretending to find hyphens useful? I count 15 editors over here telling you that hyphens make their life easier; are all these people in a conspiracy against you? People edit the encyclopedia in different ways. For instance, I've never had a use for ISSNs, so I don't include them in citations; but I also don't remove them when present, because other people say they find them useful – and per WP:AGF, I do not assume that these people are all lying.
Google Books, WorldCat, Amazon, OpenLibrary, LibraryThing, GoodReads, CCC Marketplace and Karlsruher Virtueller Katalog are all producing un-hyphenated ISBN resultsI'm only guessing, but possibly that's because these websites are generating ISBNs automatically, and do not have the advantage of an army of human editors to check and type them out correctly. In any case, what other websites do is irrelevant; their goals are not the same as ours.
GOGE says that Consistency is a goal.In the first place, that's a how-to guide, which does not override WP:ISBN; secondly, you might wish to review the #Etiquette section of that page. But let us grant that consistency is a goal; this does not mean that those parts of an article which align with best practice should be dragged down to the level of those that don't. If a word were consistently misspelt throughout an article, and only spelt correctly in one place, nobody would fix that problem by amending the correctly-spelt word to match the misspellings. The same principle applies here: if there is a mix of hyphenated and unhyphenated ISBNs, and you wish to make them consistent, the way to do that is to add ISBNs where they are missing.
I won’t go and seek out the “proper” hyphen-patterns, because as Mike Christie admits it is a bothersome taskYes, adding hyphens is more difficult than removing them. If you don't wish to take on that task, you don't have to. But that is no justification for removing hyphens where they are present. Besides which, you have been shown a very easy method of adding hyphens, via {{ Format ISBN}}, so it is strange that you are still making this argument.Another common argument of yours is that some featured articles use unhyphenated ISBNs. But a featured article is not a perfect article; if it were, we would lock it into place and never allow it to be edited again. A featured article is specifically an article that meets the criteria at WP:FACR, which does not go into minutiae about ISBN hyphens. I doubt anyone would object if you were to add hyphens to the references of these articles, because this would represent a clear improvement, and even an FA can be improved.I sincerely hope this helps you to understand why numerous people are taking issue with your edits. I'm happy to continue this conversation if you have any specific questions about anything I've said, but please do not respond to this by repeating the same points over again. Editing against consensus, and refusing to engage with those who are telling you to stop, is disruptive editing, and may result in sanctions. Sojourner in the earth ( talk) 07:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
It parrots press releases by attorneys seeking reparations from the City of Palm Springs and is factually incorrect. PalmSpringsFacts ( talk) 16:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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Please! correct an information about chanakya he belongs to "Bhumihar Brahmin" not "Brahmin" caste. 2409:408A:2B85:BFB4:0:0:3B88:3009 ( talk) 14:10, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in June! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in May. - I had a good story on coronation day: the Te Deum we sang that day. And the following day we sang it for the composer ;)
I nominated Soňa Červená for GA just to give her a bit more exposure, and I took some pics of bright scenery - click on songs. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:22, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Pentecost was full of music, and my story today is that 300 years ago today, Bach became Thomaskantor, with BWV 75, writing music history. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:30, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for your fix to Sex in this edit. Please be aware that blanks following leading asterisk are discretionary, and adding them (or removing them if already there) is not an improvement, and causes no change to the rendered page. This kind of change from one acceptable variant to another is best avoided. Thanks for all you do for the encyclopedia. Cheers, Mathglot ( talk)|
How is this a minor edit fixing a typo? Veverve ( talk) 15:50, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago (thanks to you!), and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. Also: a bit about the history of QAI on my talk. Thank you for being part of it! A new member designed a user box that I adopted. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:00, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
You are a wikipedia master. I am merely asking to surface the facts about Section 14. Somehow you deleted all our conversation. That seems unkind and unnecessary. The facts will out and the false information on this page will be discredited, eventually. I don't understand why you aren't interested in the actual facts. Alas. PalmSpringsFacts ( talk) 00:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in August! - Today, my focus is on Renata Scotto, after days of updating. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:51, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
Today is Debussy's birthday. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:33, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:45, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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When you "fix typo" without noticing you are approving vandalism it makes me wonder if you are using the tools to best effect. Microscopes produce tunnel vision. Shenme ( talk) 02:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in October! - Today, it's a place that inspired me, musings if you have time. My corner for memory and music has today a juxtaposition of what our local church choirs offer. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello there! I see you've been quite active in some things related to the above mentioned pages. I'm pinging you @ Srich32977: directly to ask for some help. I've started 3 initiatives for these pages. If you could spare some time in the near future, could you please take a look at the proposal and voice your opinion? Of course, if you have interest, time, and energy to participate that would be amazing!
Here are the projects:
1. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal for an overhaul of the article — this initiative is already in progress. The idea is to raise the quality of the page by switching it from a mere historical account to a more encyclopedic format.
2. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal to split the History into a dedicated page — related to the one above. The historical account is overly detailed. It would be much better to have a dedicated page for the history of philosophical pessimism and leave only a brief history in the main page.
3. Talk:Antinatalism#A proposal to create a dedicated page for Benatar's axiological asymmetry — here, the idea is to extract the axiological asymmetry argument into a dedicated page. This way, a more detailed presentation could be given. In addition, we could expand on the various responses others philosophers made and counters from Benatar. Other pages could have a brief description and link to the details page.
I hope at least some of this will spark your interest!
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Hello. Regarding your recent change to the short description of Carrington Event, I think that the clarification is redundant. Geomagnetic storms are all caused by solar phenomena, so adding "solar" before "geomagnetic storm" in the short description seems unnatural to me. CoronalMassAffection ( talk) 20:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
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Special:Diff/1177903434/1181849792 you changed |last=Baumler|first=Alan
into |author= Alan Baumler
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There is a discussion involving you at ANI: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Srich32977_and_HighBeam .. this notification is required per the rules of ANI. -- Green C 22:36, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
A lot of these edits seem malformed. Please don't remove information/parameters from citations that are still in the pages. It's not useful. If there is an archive.org copy nothing at all need be done to the citation templates. If you want to remove dead links because there is no archive.org copy, just remove the whole citation and replace it with an appropriate template (e.g. {{ cn}}). Maybe I don't understand what you are trying to do or why you are doing it. Removing the "via" does nothing useful at all. The whole ref is still there just without that piece of information. —DIYeditor ( talk) 02:51, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
|via=
, that remains true if it's a dead, archived or live link. We have 10s of thousands of dead domains and I've never seen anyone do what you are doing. --
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@ GreenC: I think the best answer is at WP:Citing sources. We fulfill WP:V when we give the reader a citation that supports the content. In the case of HighBeam, we had a source that was an archive of sources. They pulled the plug on HighBeam, so -- in terms of urls -- we have the archives of the former archive. But WP:V comes from the original source. So I just edited Shadow Cliffs Regional Recreation Area. The WP:V comes from the Oakland Tribune story. The particular WP text includes the quote "direct geese away from the swim area" because of bacteria levels in the lake. But the dead HighBeam url and the archived Highbeam url do not include this quote. SO you are right -- we ought to remove the HighBeam urls. But that's a project that does not interest me. The basic information about the lake is in the Tribute story and the HighBeam links with its metadata verify the title, journal, author, and date. I've simply removed the "via HighBeam" to remove the implication that HighBeam is a reliable avenue to the actual source. Also, I'm removing the "subscription required" phrasing because there are no subscriptions. And when there is no archive url for the HighBeam url I remove mention of HighBeam altogether. Those non-archived urls have no metadata. This is all part of the joy of being a WikiGnome! – S. Rich ( talk) 15:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
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Cite web}}
, there is a section on via. If you want to discuss it, see the talk page for that template, there is a large and active community there (it's a general page for all cite templates). No doubt you are doing good work in other parts of HighBeam but it's unclear if subscription and via should be removed when a website is dead. If that is the case, the best methods might include adding them to tracking categories, emitting warning and/or maintenance messages, and employing bots to do the removals, is a lot easier and faster. --
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Thank you for what you do and stand for! I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
Today, I have a special story to tell, of the works of a musician born 300 years ago. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
You've been around long enough that I'm confident that this was an accident instead of deliberate spamming for a Vietnamese online casino. I've removed it; out of curiosity, do you have any idea how it got in there? DS ( talk) 22:27, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving article quality in March! - I uploaded Madeira vacation pics (from back home, at least the first day) and remember Aribert Reimann. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Some days later, a calf in the mist and chocolate cake, and a story of collaboration -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:02, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving quality articles in February. - The image, taken on a cemetery last year after the funeral of a distant but dear family member, commemorates today, with thanks for their achievements, four subjects mentioned on the Main page and Vami_IV, a friend here. Listen to music by Tchaikovsky (an article where one of the four is pictured), sung by today's subject (whose performance on stage I enjoyed two days ago). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
It would be nice if you could tag the projects inside the banner shell, because doing it outside of them causes issues. PARAKANYAA ( talk) 01:18, 2 March 2024 (UTC)