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Hey again. I've just found out an editor using the range Special:Contributions/213.237.80.0/20, blocked by Ohnoitsjamie only from editing a number of music artists' pages a couple of months ago for using multiple accounts to do so, is causing trouble at Robbie Williams discography now, restoring awful formatting to the singles section, needlessly separating what is not that long a section into decades (titled "1990's", "2000's" and so on), repeating citations, and all other sorts of nonsense. Would you be able to alter the block to include this page? I reverted this earlier today and a few hours ago they returned to "restore" the edit [1]. Looks like another page they will just try the tactics that got them blocked on the others, as they've been editing the discography on-and-off with these bad edits for months now. Ss 112 13:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).
Hi, I've seen you moderate and edit articles related to Music and Taylor Swift, and hence I'm contacting you. User "Nerd271", who appeared out of nowhere on Taylor Swift, has been toying with the images on the article, decorating the article, cluttering the prose with stacked citations, trimming prose excessively to the point of obnoxiousness leading to loss of details etc. And when contacted, they gave me sassy, comedic replies. And they're literally flooding the Taylor Swift talk page and my user talk page with discussions just so they could keep me busy with those. I'm tired and this is getting out of my hands. I'm exhausted. I told them to stop by giving them edit-war warnings, and they still wouldn't stop. I request your intervention. And if possible, please increase the protection level of Taylor Swift to "admin only" even if that means I can't edit on the article anymore. I'm tired of the reverts. Thank You. Ronherry ( talk) 21:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey Serge. The user Boscaswell appears to have reverted something like four editors on Let's Go Brandon at this point, disregarding WP:BADCHARTS, which says iTunes statistics should not be cited. Two of the sources used for the iTunes statistics are also dubious WP:PRIMARY sources. Three editors (now including myself) have stated to this editor on Talk:Let's Go Brandon#iTunes that they should not be used, but they're predictably citing WP:IGNORE and claiming (at least in edit summaries) that it's an WP:NPOV issue. Despite BADCHARTS being a thing, there seems to be some sort of presumption on this user's part that everybody who follows a guideline is a Joe Biden supporter trying to deny the popularity of songs based off a chant of "fuck Joe Biden", which is ridiculous. They have explicitly said "Wikipedia is all about presenting a balanced view. Some may not like the phenomenon, but it exists" when from the looks of it, none of these editors have tried to "deny" its popularity but merely remove the iTunes stats. Two of the songs have now entered the US Hot 100, so we absolutely don't need to still be citing iTunes charts when a more thorough chart metric exists.
Anyway, if four users telling an editor and them not listening isn't forming a rough consensus against including this, I don't know what is. From their edits, this editor seems to like getting involved in hot-button political topics, and they are under the impression that selling enough to get in the top 10 of iTunes is something special in 2021. (Four different songs titled the same thing and based off the same chant is unusual, sure, but not unheard of.) Would you be able to take a look at it and see if anything's worth having a word to this user about? Thanks. Ss 112 01:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Sergecross73, I would like to report a user who has repeatedly edit warred on Do It. User Liftarn has repeatedly tried including Janne Suni as a songwriter on the song due to the fact it was revealed the producer Timbaland had plagiarized a synth from one of Suni’s songs. From the sources provided on the page and on Timbaland plagiarism controversy — states it was all settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. No sources state Suni was granted songwriting credits. I have asked multiple times for the user to include a source stating they were granted credits but they fail to provide a single source. User @ Ss112: has also stepped in and left them a message explaining similar situations where artists plagiarize others work but aren’t granted songwriting credits. They also have left them an edit warring warning on their talk page as well. This has been getting out of hand — I do not understand why a user who has been on here for almost 20 years with almost 50K edits is acting this way. Please do something about this as there are now 2 users who have disagreed with their actions. Pillowdelight ( talk) 08:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Serge's 27th iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Stop talking to me. Louis Waweru Talk 04:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
As you may be aware I recently edited the article for ocarina of time, the reason being upon reading up on what classifies and open world game and as well as reading the source already cited for it being an action-adventure open world game ( [1]) cited as source 1 right next to the genre in the Gameplay Section, the article itself is referencing open world games.
Having other game developers who also believe this game is open world to the extent the genre is talked about, most notably Square Enix through twitter when it acknowledged that the open world aspects of FFXV were inspired by ocarina of times open world elements (source : [2], [3])
As such I felt the addition of the genre open-world to the genres section was a justified update as the source was already inside the Wikipedia Zelda Ocarina of Time section (see [ 1]) while classifying it as semi open-world was probably incorrect as it would have to just be classified as Open World, since there is no genre for Semi Open World.
Would love a reply to know if I may re-do the modifications to the wiki article as I believe the rest to be correct. Also I don't know if this is the proper place to open up this sort of discussion or if I would have to open up a talk in the Ocarina of Time section, I am fairly new to Wikipedia editing so if so, please let me know so that I may post this discussion over there :)
Greetings Spazetpastroni ( talk) 21:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
References
I suppose I will leave the article as is, although I would like to add that it has some open-world elements to it I suppose as you have put it, the article has been reviewed quite thoroughly already and it's probably not a mistake, interesting to know that open-world is not considered a genre, very useful piece of insight :) keep up the good work.
Spazetpastroni (
talk) 22:39, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Serge. I don't know if you remember Filmomusico, but earlier this year I came to you regarding their unnecessary changes to infobox parameters (seemingly allergic to including parameters that weren't filled out, like alt=) as well as their addition of unsourced genres. In the intervening months, they were temporarily blocked indefinitely for using multiple accounts, and just a few days ago, given a warning by another admin for editing other editors' talk page comments [9] while an ANI complaint was filed over the same thing (with others telling them to stop there too).
They seemingly stayed away from creating or fiddling with album articles for a while, but now they're back to the same habits: removing the required alt= and spaces from infoboxes, [10], [11].... and that's just three examples. They've been creating album articles for a bunch of German gothic metal bands that are hardly notable (some have one German metal blog as a source) with unsourced genre assumptions intact as well.
I haven't warned them again or interacted with them today. As you might remember, they were constantly trying to find loopholes or excuses to do the same things, so any interaction on my part again would just be exhausting. They apparently have some compulsion to fiddle with things, judging by the infobox maiming and now refactoring of others' comments, as well as a habit to return to doing things they shouldn't or said they would not. You gave them a final warning of sorts on talk page months ago...looks like they haven't learned anything. Ss 112 13:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Sergecross73, recently I found a article " Bite Me (song)". The IDs 120.29.70.161 and 120.29.70.186, they always added Alternative chart, but according to WP:Charts, if a song has charted on Hot Rock & Alternative Songs, it can't add Hot Alternative Songs chart. The id even scolded me "shit", please help me solving the problem. Tim96144 ( talk) 11:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey again. I started the 2nd FA review on heavy metal music. You have been involved on the article, so I'm notifying you. Thanks. -- George Ho ( talk) 06:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 80 | ← | Archive 82 | Archive 83 | Archive 84 | Archive 85 | Archive 86 | → | Archive 90 |
Hey again. I've just found out an editor using the range Special:Contributions/213.237.80.0/20, blocked by Ohnoitsjamie only from editing a number of music artists' pages a couple of months ago for using multiple accounts to do so, is causing trouble at Robbie Williams discography now, restoring awful formatting to the singles section, needlessly separating what is not that long a section into decades (titled "1990's", "2000's" and so on), repeating citations, and all other sorts of nonsense. Would you be able to alter the block to include this page? I reverted this earlier today and a few hours ago they returned to "restore" the edit [1]. Looks like another page they will just try the tactics that got them blocked on the others, as they've been editing the discography on-and-off with these bad edits for months now. Ss 112 13:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2021).
Hi, I've seen you moderate and edit articles related to Music and Taylor Swift, and hence I'm contacting you. User "Nerd271", who appeared out of nowhere on Taylor Swift, has been toying with the images on the article, decorating the article, cluttering the prose with stacked citations, trimming prose excessively to the point of obnoxiousness leading to loss of details etc. And when contacted, they gave me sassy, comedic replies. And they're literally flooding the Taylor Swift talk page and my user talk page with discussions just so they could keep me busy with those. I'm tired and this is getting out of my hands. I'm exhausted. I told them to stop by giving them edit-war warnings, and they still wouldn't stop. I request your intervention. And if possible, please increase the protection level of Taylor Swift to "admin only" even if that means I can't edit on the article anymore. I'm tired of the reverts. Thank You. Ronherry ( talk) 21:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey Serge. The user Boscaswell appears to have reverted something like four editors on Let's Go Brandon at this point, disregarding WP:BADCHARTS, which says iTunes statistics should not be cited. Two of the sources used for the iTunes statistics are also dubious WP:PRIMARY sources. Three editors (now including myself) have stated to this editor on Talk:Let's Go Brandon#iTunes that they should not be used, but they're predictably citing WP:IGNORE and claiming (at least in edit summaries) that it's an WP:NPOV issue. Despite BADCHARTS being a thing, there seems to be some sort of presumption on this user's part that everybody who follows a guideline is a Joe Biden supporter trying to deny the popularity of songs based off a chant of "fuck Joe Biden", which is ridiculous. They have explicitly said "Wikipedia is all about presenting a balanced view. Some may not like the phenomenon, but it exists" when from the looks of it, none of these editors have tried to "deny" its popularity but merely remove the iTunes stats. Two of the songs have now entered the US Hot 100, so we absolutely don't need to still be citing iTunes charts when a more thorough chart metric exists.
Anyway, if four users telling an editor and them not listening isn't forming a rough consensus against including this, I don't know what is. From their edits, this editor seems to like getting involved in hot-button political topics, and they are under the impression that selling enough to get in the top 10 of iTunes is something special in 2021. (Four different songs titled the same thing and based off the same chant is unusual, sure, but not unheard of.) Would you be able to take a look at it and see if anything's worth having a word to this user about? Thanks. Ss 112 01:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Sergecross73, I would like to report a user who has repeatedly edit warred on Do It. User Liftarn has repeatedly tried including Janne Suni as a songwriter on the song due to the fact it was revealed the producer Timbaland had plagiarized a synth from one of Suni’s songs. From the sources provided on the page and on Timbaland plagiarism controversy — states it was all settled out of court for an undisclosed sum. No sources state Suni was granted songwriting credits. I have asked multiple times for the user to include a source stating they were granted credits but they fail to provide a single source. User @ Ss112: has also stepped in and left them a message explaining similar situations where artists plagiarize others work but aren’t granted songwriting credits. They also have left them an edit warring warning on their talk page as well. This has been getting out of hand — I do not understand why a user who has been on here for almost 20 years with almost 50K edits is acting this way. Please do something about this as there are now 2 users who have disagreed with their actions. Pillowdelight ( talk) 08:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Serge's 27th iteration of his own personal WP:AIV and WP:RFPP. Feel free to report anything you feel may need admin intervention. Sergecross73 msg me 14:30, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
Stop talking to me. Louis Waweru Talk 04:54, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
As you may be aware I recently edited the article for ocarina of time, the reason being upon reading up on what classifies and open world game and as well as reading the source already cited for it being an action-adventure open world game ( [1]) cited as source 1 right next to the genre in the Gameplay Section, the article itself is referencing open world games.
Having other game developers who also believe this game is open world to the extent the genre is talked about, most notably Square Enix through twitter when it acknowledged that the open world aspects of FFXV were inspired by ocarina of times open world elements (source : [2], [3])
As such I felt the addition of the genre open-world to the genres section was a justified update as the source was already inside the Wikipedia Zelda Ocarina of Time section (see [ 1]) while classifying it as semi open-world was probably incorrect as it would have to just be classified as Open World, since there is no genre for Semi Open World.
Would love a reply to know if I may re-do the modifications to the wiki article as I believe the rest to be correct. Also I don't know if this is the proper place to open up this sort of discussion or if I would have to open up a talk in the Ocarina of Time section, I am fairly new to Wikipedia editing so if so, please let me know so that I may post this discussion over there :)
Greetings Spazetpastroni ( talk) 21:31, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
References
I suppose I will leave the article as is, although I would like to add that it has some open-world elements to it I suppose as you have put it, the article has been reviewed quite thoroughly already and it's probably not a mistake, interesting to know that open-world is not considered a genre, very useful piece of insight :) keep up the good work.
Spazetpastroni (
talk) 22:39, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Serge. I don't know if you remember Filmomusico, but earlier this year I came to you regarding their unnecessary changes to infobox parameters (seemingly allergic to including parameters that weren't filled out, like alt=) as well as their addition of unsourced genres. In the intervening months, they were temporarily blocked indefinitely for using multiple accounts, and just a few days ago, given a warning by another admin for editing other editors' talk page comments [9] while an ANI complaint was filed over the same thing (with others telling them to stop there too).
They seemingly stayed away from creating or fiddling with album articles for a while, but now they're back to the same habits: removing the required alt= and spaces from infoboxes, [10], [11].... and that's just three examples. They've been creating album articles for a bunch of German gothic metal bands that are hardly notable (some have one German metal blog as a source) with unsourced genre assumptions intact as well.
I haven't warned them again or interacted with them today. As you might remember, they were constantly trying to find loopholes or excuses to do the same things, so any interaction on my part again would just be exhausting. They apparently have some compulsion to fiddle with things, judging by the infobox maiming and now refactoring of others' comments, as well as a habit to return to doing things they shouldn't or said they would not. You gave them a final warning of sorts on talk page months ago...looks like they haven't learned anything. Ss 112 13:05, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Sergecross73, recently I found a article " Bite Me (song)". The IDs 120.29.70.161 and 120.29.70.186, they always added Alternative chart, but according to WP:Charts, if a song has charted on Hot Rock & Alternative Songs, it can't add Hot Alternative Songs chart. The id even scolded me "shit", please help me solving the problem. Tim96144 ( talk) 11:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey again. I started the 2nd FA review on heavy metal music. You have been involved on the article, so I'm notifying you. Thanks. -- George Ho ( talk) 06:25, 4 December 2021 (UTC)