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Happy editing! 73.186.215.222 ( talk) 14:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Sandra Anne Jensen. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 73.186.215.222 ( talk) 14:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Now I see there is a notice stating "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments". Can you tell me what brought this concern about? The original creator of the article is, I believe, although I do not know, Fernand Haenggi. Fernand Haenggi created an online archive of South African artists: http://www.art-archives-southafrica.ch. He is in his late 80s living in Switzerland but used to run a gallery in South Africa. He is not selling art to my knowledge, and there is nothing on the article that would indicate the article was created for payment. Can you let me know? Also, there is now a notice stating: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted." There are numerous newspaper articles about Berrell Jensen from the late 50s to the early 70s from South Africa mainly, and I can take photographs of them and upload to the page, but they are not archived online to my knowledge. Berrell Jensen was perhaps the first woman in South Africa to learn to weld, and certainly the first woman to create large scale public commissions. Please advise how I am to proceed here.-- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 21:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. 73.186.215.222 ( talk) 16:12, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I'm very new to this. As you know the article was originally created by a since blocked promotional/paid editor. I did not know this article existed until very recently and sought to clean it up, using my actual name and not an IP so this shows I'm not trying to hide anything. The article had a number of factual errors, which is why I ventured in. You state: "No response to messages, and is warring to include a list of non notable commercial gallery exhibits, taken from the subject's website." This is not me warring, I didn't know there was a problem, I did not create the lists. I have since removed them. There is really no other person able to contribute and clean up this article but myself, so I'm not sure how you want me to proceed. It has taken me some hours to find out how to even answer you here, so please bear with me.-- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 17:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
And I'm not sure what you are referring to here: "Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted." The person who originally created the article may have been doing this, but I don't see how I am? -- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 17:49, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I notice that there are now two warning notices on the article: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. And: This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
I have available to me numerous original newspaper articles on Berrell Jensen's work, from the late 50s to the early 70s in South African newspapers. I have not yet found archives of them online but I will continue to search. I can take photographs of the articles and upload to wherever you tell me to if proof is needed. Given Berrell Jensen was very likely the first woman to learn to weld in South Africa, and certainly the first woman to create numerous large scale commissions out of welded metal, I think the notability guideline is surely fulfilled? And regarding the article being created for payment, I would like to know how or why this is considered? I believe the article was originally created by Fernand F. Haenggi, who creates an online archive of South African artists. I am not sure it was him, but given some of the information in the article it seems likely. He is not selling Berrell Jensen's art. In fact her art is very rarely up for sale, I know of 3 instances in the past decade. Most of her art is publicly commissioned and therefore not for sale. Please let me know how to proceed here. -- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 21:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Here is a list of just some of the newspaper articles about Berrell Jensen from Haenggi's online archive http://www.art-archives-southafrica.ch/JENSEN.htm#refs There are some links to pdf copies of the articles. -- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 21:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC) Regarding notability, Berrell Jensen had sixteen one-person exhibitions, 22 two person exhibitions and twenty-two large-scale public commissions. The actual scale of the work and the time period in which most of it was created should be taken into consideration.-- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 22:02, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I have added a comment to the noticeboard discussion that in my opinion you have shown clear intent to learn how Wikipedia operates, and 'color within the lines.' Talk page of the article is best place for you to comment, given your COI. If someone's deletion of text has created a factual error, point that out at Talk. Be patient. David notMD ( talk) 10:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Sandra Anne Jensen,
Newspaper articles published in the last 95 years are copyrighted and cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I would like to assist you in adding these articles as references. To start, please email what you consider to be the five best articles to me. Look for articles that provide an overview of her career or describe significant exhibitions in detail. My email address is JimHeaphy52@gmail.com. I will summarize those articles and incorporate that content into the Wikipedia article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:03, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi SandAJ! The thread you created at the
Wikipedia:Teahouse,
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Hi Sandra Anne Jensen! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.
As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful:
Alternatively, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics.
If you have any questions, we have a friendly space where experienced editors can help you here:
If you are not sure where to help out, you can find a task here:
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date.
Happy editing! 73.186.215.222 ( talk) 14:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Sandra Anne Jensen. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. 73.186.215.222 ( talk) 14:08, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Now I see there is a notice stating "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments". Can you tell me what brought this concern about? The original creator of the article is, I believe, although I do not know, Fernand Haenggi. Fernand Haenggi created an online archive of South African artists: http://www.art-archives-southafrica.ch. He is in his late 80s living in Switzerland but used to run a gallery in South Africa. He is not selling art to my knowledge, and there is nothing on the article that would indicate the article was created for payment. Can you let me know? Also, there is now a notice stating: "The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted." There are numerous newspaper articles about Berrell Jensen from the late 50s to the early 70s from South Africa mainly, and I can take photographs of them and upload to the page, but they are not archived online to my knowledge. Berrell Jensen was perhaps the first woman in South Africa to learn to weld, and certainly the first woman to create large scale public commissions. Please advise how I am to proceed here.-- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 21:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident with which you may be involved. Thank you. 73.186.215.222 ( talk) 16:12, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I'm very new to this. As you know the article was originally created by a since blocked promotional/paid editor. I did not know this article existed until very recently and sought to clean it up, using my actual name and not an IP so this shows I'm not trying to hide anything. The article had a number of factual errors, which is why I ventured in. You state: "No response to messages, and is warring to include a list of non notable commercial gallery exhibits, taken from the subject's website." This is not me warring, I didn't know there was a problem, I did not create the lists. I have since removed them. There is really no other person able to contribute and clean up this article but myself, so I'm not sure how you want me to proceed. It has taken me some hours to find out how to even answer you here, so please bear with me.-- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 17:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
And I'm not sure what you are referring to here: "Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted." The person who originally created the article may have been doing this, but I don't see how I am? -- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 17:49, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I notice that there are now two warning notices on the article: The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention. And: This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
I have available to me numerous original newspaper articles on Berrell Jensen's work, from the late 50s to the early 70s in South African newspapers. I have not yet found archives of them online but I will continue to search. I can take photographs of the articles and upload to wherever you tell me to if proof is needed. Given Berrell Jensen was very likely the first woman to learn to weld in South Africa, and certainly the first woman to create numerous large scale commissions out of welded metal, I think the notability guideline is surely fulfilled? And regarding the article being created for payment, I would like to know how or why this is considered? I believe the article was originally created by Fernand F. Haenggi, who creates an online archive of South African artists. I am not sure it was him, but given some of the information in the article it seems likely. He is not selling Berrell Jensen's art. In fact her art is very rarely up for sale, I know of 3 instances in the past decade. Most of her art is publicly commissioned and therefore not for sale. Please let me know how to proceed here. -- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 21:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Here is a list of just some of the newspaper articles about Berrell Jensen from Haenggi's online archive http://www.art-archives-southafrica.ch/JENSEN.htm#refs There are some links to pdf copies of the articles. -- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 21:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC) Regarding notability, Berrell Jensen had sixteen one-person exhibitions, 22 two person exhibitions and twenty-two large-scale public commissions. The actual scale of the work and the time period in which most of it was created should be taken into consideration.-- Sandra Anne Jensen ( talk) 22:02, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I have added a comment to the noticeboard discussion that in my opinion you have shown clear intent to learn how Wikipedia operates, and 'color within the lines.' Talk page of the article is best place for you to comment, given your COI. If someone's deletion of text has created a factual error, point that out at Talk. Be patient. David notMD ( talk) 10:44, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello Sandra Anne Jensen,
Newspaper articles published in the last 95 years are copyrighted and cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. I would like to assist you in adding these articles as references. To start, please email what you consider to be the five best articles to me. Look for articles that provide an overview of her career or describe significant exhibitions in detail. My email address is JimHeaphy52@gmail.com. I will summarize those articles and incorporate that content into the Wikipedia article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:03, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi SandAJ! The thread you created at the
Wikipedia:Teahouse,
|