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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Administrator changes HickoryOughtShirt?4 • RexxS Necrothesp Bratsche • Kyle Barbour • Kzollman • Madman Interface administrator changes Pharos

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Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment concluded that creating pages in the portal namespace should be restricted to autoconfirmed users.
• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models ( WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

Technical news

• XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

Arbitration

• In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions ( diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
• Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended ( diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

Miscellaneous

• A request for comment is currently open to amend the community sanctions procedure to exclude non XfD or CSD deletions.
• A proposal to remove pre-2009 indefinite IP blocks is currently open for discussion.

Could you take a look at /info/en/?search=Draft:Nathan_Lee and let me know if you think it's better or whether it needs more work?

Thanks Berlecalm ( talk) 17:37, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. My usual practice is to review a draft once, then leave it to others to re-review. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:39, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

16:27, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Palace of Viceroy Laserna, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

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-- RoySmith (talk) 14:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Nice to see you forum shopping, trying to get your way. Pathetic. Llammakey ( talk) 23:34, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey, that's not fair. I'm just looking for more information. And, in fact, the information I got was that you were right. So, chill a bit. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks. -- Brad Patrick ( talk) 18:39, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Roy, Thank you for reviewing my draft article. Could you please help me to update? Here's the draft- Draft: /info/en/?search=Draft:Chapman_Insurance_Group

I hate to be impolite, but we're not here to supply free advertising space. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that you felt that way. We're working on adding more references. But certainly, this is not a spam. Hossainjubayer | (talk)

00:48, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

In regard to your comment on Draft:Boston_Light_Opera_(1970s) -- thanks for your input on the ongoing discussion. Am I to assume that the final disposition of this article is still to be adjudicated and that no further input is required from me? I appreciate the various updates and the efforts of the researchers to validate all the content. rmosutton 14:19, 29 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmosutton ( talk • contribs)

Hi, and thanks for your note. You are correct, there's nothing else that's required from you. But my suggestion is that you keep looking for better sources; that's really what's going to make the difference here. Take a look at WP:RS to see what makes a good source in general, and WP:ORGCRIT for a more specific discussion of how this applies to organizations. Unfortunately, there's a lot of ambiguity in the review process which isn't always made clear in the written guidelines. The three Boston Globe articles certainly meet the stated requirements of significant, independent, reliable, and secondary. The problem that I have with them (and I think a lot of other people have) is that 1) they're all from the same paper, 2) the paper is local, and 3) they're not actually about the opera company, they're about performances that the company gave. If you could find coverage in media outside of Boston, that would help, as would finding coverage in multiple media outlets. A discussion of the opera company, apart from a review of any specific performance, would also be useful. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and to address the process question more directly, you've already submitted the draft for review, so there's nothing else you need do other than wait for somebody to come along and review it. The outcome of a review can be to accept the draft, reject it, or simply comment without either accepting or rejecting. And, unfortunately, there's no set timeline for when a review will happen. There's a collection of volunteer reviewers who watch the queues and review whatever interests them. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Another thought: It might be interesting to add to the draft a list of notable alumni (i.e. people who were members of the company and we now have articles about). For example, Walter Pidgeon ^[1]. I did this with SoHo Weekly News. Please note that having a list of notable alumni doesn't guarantee that the draft will be accepted, but it does add something, and in the course of researching this, you may also find some better sources for the company as a whole. Writing a good encyclopedia article isn't easy! -- RoySmith (talk) 14:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

• @ Rmosutton: RoySmith pinged me to the discussion. What we're reviewing on is whether the article would be "likely kept" at a deletion discussion, and for the reasons RoySmith has discussed above, neither of us are sure. To be fair, this is not a bad result - neither one of us rejected the article outright, which we would have done if it were clearly non-notable. And I haven't actually been able to review the Globe sources, but rather some of the other sources, including the MIT Student paper, and also found them to be reviews of performances. The Quincy newspaper might be the source I'd be happy with (Hatfield article), but neither of us have the capacity to review it. SportingFlyer T· C 17:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you both, most kindly. First, I should mention that Walter Pidgeon was not associated with this Boston Light Opera, but rather one 60 years earlier, in the 1910s, that barely existed a year. I know that doesn't help, but for facts' sake I should mention it. I'll see if I can locate someone at the Quincy paper if possible to get a link to the article in question there; if I can or if anything else comes forward, I'll add it if the article hasn't already been approved. rmosutton 17:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmosutton ( talk • contribs)

That's interesting about the two Boston Light Opera companies. It certainly explains why the original title had "(1970)" in it! The usual convention is that we would only include a disambiguating phrase like that in the title if there were articles on both companies. For now, we would just use the base Boston Light Opera, and if an article ever got written about the other one, we'd probably do something like title that one Boston Light Opera (1910), rename this one to be Boston Light Opera (1974), and use Boston Light Opera as a WP:DAB page. That gives rise to another thought; sometimes if there's multiple topics that aren't notable on their own, it may be possible to write a combined article that covers them all. So, perhaps History of light opera in Boston, which covers both of these companies, and maybe others which have existed over time? Might be worth considering. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

• RoySmith, I've just seen your comment on Draft:Boston Light Opera which brought me here. It's been resubmitted and is in the "Very old" category; I'll leave the review to you or another user who's got a better idea of the history of the draft. Thanks, SITH (talk) 10:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

May 22, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

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Hi RoySmith,

Thanks for reviewing this article in draft. I've poked around a bit on Wikipedia and this is my first article I'm trying to get published. Since I'm not too familiar with the processes, quantity of references, and getting articles approved, is it possible to submit this draft into a group of users that would assist with working on it? Also, not sure where the talk page went for the draft, is there a place to discuss the draft that you could point me to? Much appreciated! Robtaylor04 ( talk) 13:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Let me be blunt. You are paid to promote your clients. And you're asking for volunteers to help you do your job for you? Not likely. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Roy, you closed down the page for Toby Woolf. I don't know how to post a link to the page. Toby is my 10 year old son. I am not a wiki-expert, just a Mum who has been asked by his agent to set up a wikipedia page for him as he's a young actor, who has been in 2 dramas - one on BBC and one on Sky TV. He is about to star in a very big production on BBC and has a lead role in an upcoming film which has an A list cast.

Toby is currently quoted a lot in the UK Press and his TV show - Summer of Rockets is about to air on BBC. It (and Toby) will be featured in all the weekend papers.

I am not a wikipedia expert; I just want his information correctly portrayed. Please can you reinstate his page. I would have really liked for it to be up and running this weekend. I had not idea it was up for discussion for deletion or I would have been in touch sooner. Thanks so much.

HERE IS A SELECTION OF MEDIA ABOUT HIM:

ABOUT SUMMER OF ROCKETS https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2019-05-15/summer-of-rockets-cast-toby-stephens-keeley-hawes-bbc2/ https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/drama/summer-of-rockets-bbc2/5139525.article https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/may/11/stephen-poliakoff-summer-of-rockets-boarding-school-hell https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2019/21/summer-of-rockets

ABOUT RARE BEASTS http://www.westernedgepictures.com/rare-beasts http://film.britishcouncil.org/rare-beasts https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/david-thewlis-joins-billie-piper-rare-beasts/ https://www.screendaily.com/news/cast-announced-for-billie-piper-directing-debut-rare-beasts-shoot-begins/5132572.article

ABOUT CURFEW https://www.filmaffinity.com/en/film208435.html https://giphy.com/explore/toby-woolf

Mw1357 ( talk) 11:16, 17 May 2019 (UTC) https://www.entertainment-focus.com/tv-section/tv-news/curfew-1x04-preview/

OLDER ONLINE: http://www.chiswickw4.com/default.asp?section=info&page=thelastpost001.htm https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/861104/The-Last-Post-season-1-swearing-child-secret-Jessica-Raine-sex-scene-BBC

Thank you so much,

Your article was deleted by near-unanimous agreement at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Toby Woolf that it didn't meet our requirements. Please see WP:NBIO. Also, please note that you are required to publicly disclose (ideally on your user page) your conflict of interest. We are here to write an encyclopedia, not provide free advertising space. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi RoySmith,

    You assisted me earlier regarding an AfD page 
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/NetBase_Solutions - The original content that was found not notable enough and was updated (currently contained on 
/info/en/?search=User:ScottHin45/NetBase_Solutions). Would you mind reviewing this and comment on whether it has improved its notability enough to appeal the deletion decision?  Appreciate your time any any additional thought you have on the topic, thanks --
ScottHin45 (
talk) 13:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Nope. I'm a volunteer. I don't help people who spam the encyclopedia for money. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

13:04, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

15:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

You may have already noticed, but it looks like almost certain undisclosed paid editing and probable sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon ( talk) 23:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

You think? -- RoySmith (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm here to file a complaint about you abruptly closing a discussion on April Carrion, and you decided to side with the delete's, which was NOT the right thing to do. First of all, the voting was at best 3 keep vs. 2 delete and 1 redirect, so it was a tie. There should have been a wait for 1 more person to vote, and you shouldn't have closed it that soon. Also, I saw absolutely no mention or suspicion of socking in any of that discussion, plus no proof, so your statement about that was wrong. And in fact, it was mentioned that the previous afd wasn't handled correctly either because that consensus only had 2 deletes and 1 keep, too small to make a decision on, so that's wrong too. I believe you should re-open the afd because that consensus was too unfair to make an obvious call on.

/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/April_Carri%C3%B3n_(2nd_nomination)

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• Waxmiguel ( talk · contribs)
  • User:Waxmiguel/sandbox/admin ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Waxmiguel ( talk) 07:41, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@ Waxmiguel: it looks like you're having trouble getting started. You might want to take a look at WP:YFA which walks you through some of the basics of creating an article. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree that the entry Draft:Every Woman's Problem is only a start. You are welcome to improve the article yourself or make suggestions on the talk page. Leaving a notable subject in draftspace doesn't help anyone, and I am already having to waste time doing wp:refunds. Lots of important and notable subjects need creation (inclusion) and expansion. I also started Draft:Your Girl and Mine today an even earlier film (1914) that also dealt with Woman's Suffrage. It is also easier for me to work on articles in mainspace than in draft space. I can link to the article without creating redlinks or having people remove my additions to a non-existant article. And it is obvious if I make a spelling error regarding the article title (because it will be red for good reason). I am also working up the directors and film companies involved so it's extra daunting to deal with various topics in draftspace and not being able to link back and forth. FloridaArmy ( talk) 23:09, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

There was also a 1914 film of the same name produced by the red cross and another 1914 film that was pro suffragist put out by a related studio so I am trying to sort out all the threads. For example in Wikipedia's article on woman's suffrage in film, I believe the Santa Paula studio was formerly a studio that produced an anti-suffrage film for the production company that formerly occupied it. But again, it all gets a lot more complicated for me having to enter "draft:" before titles and not being able to link directly between articles. FloridaArmy ( talk) 23:25, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

15:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• Tomp-uk ( talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Vogon News Service ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you Roy for your comments. I did hope that the use of a reference by Bob Pease and the quote form Bob Wyman might just qualify. I do feel that the VNS was innovative in its time and so is "notable" if not exactly WP:GNG. It deserves its (tiny) place in history and I felt that Wikipedia was the appropriate place. I will take your advice and look elsewhere.Thanks again Tomp-uk ( talk) 10:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Tomp-uk ( talk) 10:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

Administrator changes

Andonic • Consumed Crustacean • Enigmaman • Euryalus • EWS23 • HereToHelp • Nv8200pa • Peripitus • StringTheory11 • Vejvančický

CheckUser changes

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Guideline and policy news

• An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
• An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
• An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

• The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
• Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

Miscellaneous

• The previously discussed unblocking of IP addresses indefinitely-blocked before 2009 was approved and has taken place.
• The 2019 talk pages consultation produced a report for Phase 1 and has entered Phase 2.

17:06, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Resistance is futile! -- RoySmith (talk) 16:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I’ve given this some thought. Am I the Borg? Are they they Borg? I like clever humour, and subtle humour, even if it is a challenge for me. Can I have a hint? — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 06:47, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Support resisting the AfD -- RoySmith (talk) 13:01, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@ SmokeyJoe: need another hint? -- RoySmith (talk) 10:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

The AfD was a madness, like the Borg in their zombie march? — SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

OK, I'll show you some mercy. You mis-spelled "relisting". -- RoySmith (talk) 13:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

🙂 SmokeyJoe ( talk) 13:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

• Bengomori ( talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Flash Pack ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Bengomori ( talk) 10:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hey Roy,

Thanks for taking the time to review my submission Draft:Flash_Pack

If there's any chance you might be able to help me with identifying which passages you deem to be too 'promotional' sounding in tone, I would hugely appreciate that. I have made as many changes as possible to ensure this page is purely objective in tone and that all facts are backed up by high-quality sources. I'm not sure where to go from here. I believe they meet eligibility criteria with these various citations in support.

would really appreciate a moment of your time

Thank you Bengomori ( talk) 10:41, 17 June 2019 (UTC) bengomori

Roy,

As you most likely know, I am new to the wikipedia universe and was looking to create a non-promotional, neutral article about Draft:Continental Express Inc. As I have noted with DRM310 User_talk:Drm310#Undisclosed_paid_editing:_Continental_Express,_Inc., and Deb User_talk:Deb#Continental_Express,_Inc._Deletion I am not paid, I have never been paid, nor will I ever be paid to contribute or edit to the page Draft:Continental Express Inc that you deleted. I only wanted to create an informative, factual, non-biased article about Continental Express, Inc. like so many other companies have done. If my article has gotten deleted, then why hasnt CR England, Werner Enterprises, or Knight-Swift. Please SPECIFICALLY cite what is promotional about my article, and I will gladly change it. I want to work with you on this process not against.

Brad Gottemoeller ( talk) 15:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll defer to the thread on User talk:Drm310, which I think covers all the bases. The only thing I would add to that conversation is that we generally discuss all issues in public, for transparency purposes. Moving conversations to private email is highly unusual, and generally only done when there's a pressing need for privacy. That such a need exists in this case would be surprising. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

20:37, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Shyam_Has_Your_Anomaly_Mitigated_has_been_casting_aspersions_and_had_been_a_bit_uncivil. -- Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 00:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

June 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities. Wednesday June 19 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC ( RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan (note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles) We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! -- Wikimedia New York City Team 05:38, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hi RoySmith, Sorry about the rollback of your comment. It was an accidental click on the rollback tool when I was looking at my watchlist. SPoore (WMF), Strategist, Community health initiative ( talk) 17:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the note. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:50, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

June 23, 12:30pm: Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art
You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Togethe, we'll create new and expand existing Wikipedia articles on LGBT artists and artworks with LGBT themes in the Met collection! With refreshments, and a special museum tour in the afternoon! And there will be a wiki-cake! Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided. See also the global Wiki Loves Pride photo contest, as well as the Met's online LGBT Art Writing Contest, and also the LGBT Health Writing Contest. Sunday June 23 Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art ( RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan (note this is just south of the main entrance) This is the fifth annual Wiki Loves Pride edit-a-thon supported by Wikimedia NYC! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! -- Wikimedia New York City Team 16:32, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hello, when you get a moment would you review this page again? Draft:DSV Limiting Factor. The specifications section has been removed (information is now uniquely in infobox) per your feedback, and additional sources and rewritten sections have been completed. Thanks, Naadobea1776 ( talk) 16:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I prefer to review any given draft once, and then leave it to other reviewers. It's good to get multiple points of view. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello RoySmith, Thank you for reviewing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pareshaan Parinda, but I would like to ask you to reconsider your decision for a couple of reasons. The first and only keep !vote was added by the article creator whose sole claim was that the article has some reliable sources, there is no question about the reliability of the sources, but none of those sources provides "significant coverage" for the film as required by WP:NFP. The first source is a listing and rest of them are about the lead actress, not the film. Also, The film was released in March 2018, but there is no evidence to satisfy WP:NFO so would you mind giving it another look? Thank you. GSS ( talk| c| em) 02:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I really wish more people had participated in the discussion. With only three people, even after multiple relists, however, it's hard to get a coherent read. Given what I had to work with, I really can't see that any consensus has emerged here. I recognize that's not very satisfying, but it's the best I can do. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:24, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I guess this can be relisted for the last time or at least draftify since the film is clearly not notable and sources are just passing mentions. GSS ( talk| c| em) 02:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, we don't do third relists. -- RoySmith (talk) 10:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I think we do sometimes per WP:RELIST. GSS ( talk| c| em) 10:16, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I know you disagree with my decision, but I think I made the right call. If you wish, you can ask for a review at WP:DRV. -- RoySmith (talk) 10:53, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Done, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2019 June 23. Thank you. GSS ( talk| c| em) 15:42, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your time RoySmith, and sorry for any misunderstanding. GSS ( talk| c| em) 10:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

17:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I was trying to create a page about Jim Masterson and it had been deleted. This is my first time trying to contribute to wikipedia, so I am learning the proper protocol for uploading. I do have permission from the photographers to use those images and I believe I understand the correct way to upload now. I will try to upload correctly this time. Thank you

You're talking about User:KylaHeaton/sandbox, right? There's multiple issues here. One, as you point out, is a copyright issue with File:(1) 1 MG 4570 6937 Jim.jpg. You might want to ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions about the proper way to convey copyright to the Wikimedia Foundation. But, beyond that, the text of the page also had extensive copying from, for example, https://mastersonmethod.com/about-jim/, which is what I was looking at when I deleted it. And, beyond all that, you clearly have some connection to the subject, so please see WP:COI for all the issues regarding conflicts of interest. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I won't move that page anymore, I promise. 99721829Max ( talk) 02:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

It can get unprotected when your draft is approved. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

There is an on-going discussion at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#Alternatives to deletion in which you may be interested. Otr500 ( talk) 11:44, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Just replying to your comment: I decided to change the name to the chemical ingredient instead of the brand name. I wrote what is included in the sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by MitoPower ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

This page seems to have deleted by yourself previous. I was going to create a page for this FYI. I will create a draft

@ Longrunsthefox: I'm afraid I don't know which page you're talking about. I'm not seeing any page with a name similar to that which you've edited or which I've deleted. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:27, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

---@ RoySmith: This page - said you deleted it previously - /info/en/?search=Draft:Scenic_Eclipse -- Longrunsthefox ( talk) 15:45, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

---@ RoySmith: In reference to this, I will proceed with creation of article for Draft:Scenic_Eclipse. Can you please close Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Longrunsthefox given that it has been raised in error. Thanks