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Again, welcome! -- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:RS review articles are always preferred over primary research. If you us pubmed there is a button to the right that will limit your search to review articles. Cheers Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Fixed a couple of ref no worries. The first one you write <ref name=AB10>ref here</ref> after which you can use <ref name=AB10/> -- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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Absolutely... An enlightened outsider may be just what the page needs. I will give you any feedback I can. Good luck! Ocaasi ( talk) 14:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
A few things:
I thought you might be interested in 2 other things:
Is there a place to document changes and reasons for change associated with the draft in your userspace? It would make it easier to achieve consensus on a completely overhauled draft of the article if there was a place that other editors could see rational for changes (like the talk page on the actual article). Cheers! Merry Christmas! Puhlaa ( talk) 15:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey, if you have a chance would you take a look at this. A concerned outsider is trying to beef up the pro-chiropractic sourcing and take on Ernst's role. I'm a bit busy with Egypt stuff at the moment... Thanks and nice work on recent additions to the article. If QG pushes back, you can always cite NPOV, and compromise to summarize the stance of both sources. Ocaasi ( talk) 13:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
[2] Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 22:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I can understand your concern about that one because the template is a sock template, but this one leaves a neutral message that just ties the two accounts together, which aids in full disclosure of alternate accounts. Take a look at it. In this case it's just an aid in keeping the edit history for that person together the only way possible. Ideally we always edit using only one account, and an IP is also counted as an(other) account. New editors should do as this one seems to have done and that is to create an account and then only use it. Fine. I wish them well. -- Brangifer ( talk) 02:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I just saw this edit where you add quote marks. They aren't normally necessary. Read this:
When there is no space it's never necessary, and when there is a space, just use an underline (or add quotes). -- Brangifer ( talk) 00:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
X-factor, with regard to the article doctor, would you please stop removing chiropractic from the list of healthcare professions that use the title 'doctor' professionally. In North America, chiropractic is the largest alternative medical profession,(1) and is the third largest doctored profession, behind medicine and dentistry.(2) Therefore, if you feel that the list is too long, there are less prominent healthcare professions that you can omit. However, in my opinion, it seems simpler to keep the list more inclusive rather than single out any of the doctored professions as not-deserving of inclusion, which might be mistakenly considered as an editor pushing their POV. Best regards, Puhlaa (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Bullrangifer is making unfounded accusations and deleting peer-reviewed literature from articles I recently edited. Do you mind providing some help in reviewing this manner? DVMt ( talk) 08:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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That's somewhat ironic actually, since I didn't really make changes to the actual content of the paragraph! I'll keep thinking about potential improvements, but since the issue seems to have been at least partially resolved, I'm hoping things will be quieter for a bit while I catch up on some real-life things. Arc de Ciel ( talk) 07:31, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Arc, thank you for your courtesy and willingness to continue discussion and thank you for clarifying why you are frustrated with my continued challenges. You stated "I think that the weight of reliable sources supports the current definition more strongly than the broader definition and I have given reasons for why I think that." I apologize if I did not respond to your comments regarding my concerns in our original discussion, would you be willing to briefly discuss the following 3 concerns of mine again? Please note that I have included discussion of what I think I heard from you in response to these concerns previously, this way, if I have misunderstood or missed something, you can correct me. I have also tried to explain why your comments did not satisfy me during our original discussion. I would appreciate it if you would comment on the 3 concerns individually, but that is your prerogative.
It is my understanding that we are currently discussing the merits of two different 'themes' of CAM definitions (NYAS/CMAJ/NSF/etc and BMJ/WHO/NCCAM/etc) that are both currently used in our lead, and both used by a number of RS found in a pubmed search. The disagreement is over which definition deserves more weight according to
WP:NPOV. The policy/source-based differences between them, in my view are:
I believe that the above 3 concerns accurately summarize why I am repeating my challenges of the current lead according to
WP:NPOV and why I have proposed moving the sentences around
[9].
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I've written my reply, though of course others may use different arguments even if they reach the same conclusion. I tried to be very comprehensive, even when repeating myself, and I'm quite tired right now so I hope it's coherent (and that I didn't miss anything). I have included footnotes with a number of side comments, qualifications, and clarifications to try and make my responses easier to follow.
I won't be able to make another long response – I may make some brief comments on the talk page but I really need to pay attention to other things. Also, this should be taking place on the article talk page - it really should be copied over, but I'll leave that to you if you want to continue the discussion.
Footnotes:
Its good to see you haven't given up on AM, and may I wish you well. I have mentioned before my abstention from producing or checking sources of specialist journals. But as an intelligent enough reader I can smell what another editor called bs. The most blatant perhaps shameless error has been putting, leaving or restoring "propaganda" and "fraud" in the lead, which are not so found in the body of the article. It stretches the credibiity of good faith. You must know the faults better than I do, so I will not go on in further detail. Some of the more soft spoken editors seem to be the most resistant, possibly due to personal convictions too intense to cope with normal reasoning, but capable of working up a pseudo-consensus against improvements. At this stage, there is nothing much I can add in your support. Qexigator ( talk) 23:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The comment at 00:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC) is verbose and OTT may be, but it has a point if you can find it. I have noted your reply at 00:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC). As I see it, back of all this (apart from goodwill) are problems of reasoning and semantics about 1_"medicine" as such, absolutely and in practice, 2_"alternative", proper use of, 3_ medicine and alternative used together as a single term. Each of 1,2 and 3 have a variety of uses according to context and intent. In combination the variations are multiple, and the opportunity for argument for its own sake is too attractive for some not to take, or perhaps they cannot avoid falling into. So, 1st- is the lead at Medicine acceptable? It starts with a definition sourced to OED, but those at 2 and 3 show the risk of mischief opening up. Then it has links for applied science, diagnosis, treatment and disease. The next sentence has links for health care, health etc.. The next sentence contracts the general definition to contempory medicine by introducing, with links, health science, biomedical research, medical technology, medication and surgery. 2nd-Alternative, see [ [20]] "1.Relating to a choice between two or more possibilities 2. Not traditional, outside the mainstream, underground (e.g., alternative medicine..." Then "alternative medicine" at [ [21]] gives "any of various medical methods and practices used in place of, or as well as, conventional medicine. Now, as I see it, as a preliminary to formulating any lead for the AM article within whatever "policy" requires, it is necessary to have worked through the terms as being used at 1st and 2nd above, to consider what part of the 1st is the content to which the other is "alternative". Then to compare that with the definitions in the proposed exsting sources. That is intellectually more arduous than it may seem. Hence the difficulty which all sources have for giving a truthful definition for their own specific and particular context and purpose, and the further difficulty of selecting and reconciling such sources for the purposes of an article which has no (good faith) purpose other than giving a reasonably intelligent reader information about the topic. And at the same time the field becomes an adventure playground if anyone is minded to come out to play. Qexigator ( talk) 02:24, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, Puhlaa, perhaps we can leave it there. My attempt to be helpful evidently is not. There is little purpose in carrying on discussing this, which will only be distracting you from the AM work. "...you must consider if you agree with my proposal"-- no, sir, must is not the vocabulary. My comment here was addressed to you personally to explain why I felt it better to abstain. Your response confirms that. Also, your parting words imply discourteousy, which is not the case. May your endeavour at AM accomplish some improvement. Qexigator ( talk) 03:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
1_Thanks for offering advice. Though a novice editor at Wikipedia I am not a greenhorn. 2_No intention to confuse, only attempting to clarify. 3_My remarks here were meant to be specific to the tangle at AM (see [ [22]]), but could have wider application. 4_I have insufficient expertise in this particular topic to discuss the relative merits of specialist sources, and attempting it would be tedious for all parties, hence the sensible and decent thing to do is "abstain". 5_But common sense has been enough to see the point of Tomcat's remarks, and I have made that known (I would like to have said 'abundantly clear') before and after his robust intervention. In my view there can be no improvement which does not start from acknowledging that and making and keeping a revision removing "propaganda" and "fraud" from the lead. That, in my view, is sine qua non and there is a limit to how frequently this can be reiterated in the course of discussion. 6_Like any qualified professional, you will know what is meant by saying the topic is one for grownups not for child's play[ [23]]. _7 I'm going to be bold enough to invite you to see this: Talk:Wallace Sampson. I know more about Sinclair Lewis than Sampson, who, for all I know (practically nothing but at Wallace Sampson) could be hoaxing or a hoaxer, as could anyone else known to us or not. But I feel certain that Sinclair Lewis was not, nor reputed to be. -- Qexigator ( talk) 10:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
While, as mentioned before, I do not propose to be drawn into a debate about the relative or absolute merits of any of the sources, my view is that various editors have produced and argued for and against the sources to the point where the sources cited to date must seem untrustworthy unless fully checked for 1_authenticity and 2_the passage which is being relied on is made available for scrutiny on the Talk page. Qexigator ( talk) 21:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Seeing that Cochrane has been mentioned by some editors at Talk:Alternative medicine it occurs to me to ask whether you are able to say to what extent the editing and sourcing of the article is being determined by Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Evidence based content for medical articles on Wikipedia, Projects/pages of possible interest to Cochrane Collaboration [ [27]]? If not should it be? If so, has it been declared, or should it be? Qexigator ( talk) 21:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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The article needs to be proof read, then contradictions(i.e. lead saying there's consensus... then somewhere in body saying there isn't really) and your contentions should be laid out in talk page for discussion. If you find statements that you disagree with, check sources. If sources don't support the prose, tag it. This article right now is very very difficult to follow. Cantaloupe2 ( talk) 15:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
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Have you ever edited wikipedia using a different account or under different names? NickCT ( talk) 15:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for keeping a cool head at Chiropractic for so long and for continually raising the level of discussion away from personal attacks to high quality sources. It's definitely noticed by me and I believe as well by some who hold different views of Chiropractic than you. Keep it up ;) Ocaasi t | c 19:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC) |
Your name was mentioned here and you may or may not have interest concerning the behaviour of Cantaloupe2 discussion. Thanks 174.118.142.187 ( talk) 15:05, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Puhlaa. Hi Doc. There is a revised lead proposal here [43] based on your recommendations and Doc James. Please let me know if there are any more concerns wrt the revised proposal. Cheers. DVMt ( talk) 15:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Request initiated for the article Alternative medicine to be moved to Complementary and alternative medicine. I'm notifying you as major contributor to the article. Relevant talk page discussion found here. FiachraByrne ( talk) 03:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Research status on manual and manipulative therapy! See here [44] for the proposal and discussion. I'm curious to hear about the citations. Regards, DVMt ( talk) 03:59, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Your references have helped. The editors are going in the opposite direction and now have changed there are no 'correlates' for acupuncture points to there is no 'existence' of acupuncture points in science. However, I have exhaustively shown multiple sources of scientific measurements on acupuncture points. Further, they continue to maintain bogus research to support that statement with no regard for the Acupuncture TALK page. How do I lodge a complaint for bias and misrepresentation? Would that help? TriumvirateProtean ( talk) 03:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Greetings and thank you for your contributions to WP. I have proposed a format for references on Alternative medicine. I wanted to let you know and give you an opportunity to comment here. Good day! - - MrBill3 ( talk) 17:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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Again, welcome! -- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 21:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Per WP:RS review articles are always preferred over primary research. If you us pubmed there is a button to the right that will limit your search to review articles. Cheers Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 00:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Fixed a couple of ref no worries. The first one you write <ref name=AB10>ref here</ref> after which you can use <ref name=AB10/> -- Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 02:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
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Absolutely... An enlightened outsider may be just what the page needs. I will give you any feedback I can. Good luck! Ocaasi ( talk) 14:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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I thought you might be interested in 2 other things:
Is there a place to document changes and reasons for change associated with the draft in your userspace? It would make it easier to achieve consensus on a completely overhauled draft of the article if there was a place that other editors could see rational for changes (like the talk page on the actual article). Cheers! Merry Christmas! Puhlaa ( talk) 15:25, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey, if you have a chance would you take a look at this. A concerned outsider is trying to beef up the pro-chiropractic sourcing and take on Ernst's role. I'm a bit busy with Egypt stuff at the moment... Thanks and nice work on recent additions to the article. If QG pushes back, you can always cite NPOV, and compromise to summarize the stance of both sources. Ocaasi ( talk) 13:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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I can understand your concern about that one because the template is a sock template, but this one leaves a neutral message that just ties the two accounts together, which aids in full disclosure of alternate accounts. Take a look at it. In this case it's just an aid in keeping the edit history for that person together the only way possible. Ideally we always edit using only one account, and an IP is also counted as an(other) account. New editors should do as this one seems to have done and that is to create an account and then only use it. Fine. I wish them well. -- Brangifer ( talk) 02:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I just saw this edit where you add quote marks. They aren't normally necessary. Read this:
When there is no space it's never necessary, and when there is a space, just use an underline (or add quotes). -- Brangifer ( talk) 00:43, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
X-factor, with regard to the article doctor, would you please stop removing chiropractic from the list of healthcare professions that use the title 'doctor' professionally. In North America, chiropractic is the largest alternative medical profession,(1) and is the third largest doctored profession, behind medicine and dentistry.(2) Therefore, if you feel that the list is too long, there are less prominent healthcare professions that you can omit. However, in my opinion, it seems simpler to keep the list more inclusive rather than single out any of the doctored professions as not-deserving of inclusion, which might be mistakenly considered as an editor pushing their POV. Best regards, Puhlaa (talk) 22:00, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Bullrangifer is making unfounded accusations and deleting peer-reviewed literature from articles I recently edited. Do you mind providing some help in reviewing this manner? DVMt ( talk) 08:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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That's somewhat ironic actually, since I didn't really make changes to the actual content of the paragraph! I'll keep thinking about potential improvements, but since the issue seems to have been at least partially resolved, I'm hoping things will be quieter for a bit while I catch up on some real-life things. Arc de Ciel ( talk) 07:31, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Arc, thank you for your courtesy and willingness to continue discussion and thank you for clarifying why you are frustrated with my continued challenges. You stated "I think that the weight of reliable sources supports the current definition more strongly than the broader definition and I have given reasons for why I think that." I apologize if I did not respond to your comments regarding my concerns in our original discussion, would you be willing to briefly discuss the following 3 concerns of mine again? Please note that I have included discussion of what I think I heard from you in response to these concerns previously, this way, if I have misunderstood or missed something, you can correct me. I have also tried to explain why your comments did not satisfy me during our original discussion. I would appreciate it if you would comment on the 3 concerns individually, but that is your prerogative.
It is my understanding that we are currently discussing the merits of two different 'themes' of CAM definitions (NYAS/CMAJ/NSF/etc and BMJ/WHO/NCCAM/etc) that are both currently used in our lead, and both used by a number of RS found in a pubmed search. The disagreement is over which definition deserves more weight according to
WP:NPOV. The policy/source-based differences between them, in my view are:
I believe that the above 3 concerns accurately summarize why I am repeating my challenges of the current lead according to
WP:NPOV and why I have proposed moving the sentences around
[9].
Puhlaa (
talk) 07:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I've written my reply, though of course others may use different arguments even if they reach the same conclusion. I tried to be very comprehensive, even when repeating myself, and I'm quite tired right now so I hope it's coherent (and that I didn't miss anything). I have included footnotes with a number of side comments, qualifications, and clarifications to try and make my responses easier to follow.
I won't be able to make another long response – I may make some brief comments on the talk page but I really need to pay attention to other things. Also, this should be taking place on the article talk page - it really should be copied over, but I'll leave that to you if you want to continue the discussion.
Footnotes:
Its good to see you haven't given up on AM, and may I wish you well. I have mentioned before my abstention from producing or checking sources of specialist journals. But as an intelligent enough reader I can smell what another editor called bs. The most blatant perhaps shameless error has been putting, leaving or restoring "propaganda" and "fraud" in the lead, which are not so found in the body of the article. It stretches the credibiity of good faith. You must know the faults better than I do, so I will not go on in further detail. Some of the more soft spoken editors seem to be the most resistant, possibly due to personal convictions too intense to cope with normal reasoning, but capable of working up a pseudo-consensus against improvements. At this stage, there is nothing much I can add in your support. Qexigator ( talk) 23:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
The comment at 00:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC) is verbose and OTT may be, but it has a point if you can find it. I have noted your reply at 00:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC). As I see it, back of all this (apart from goodwill) are problems of reasoning and semantics about 1_"medicine" as such, absolutely and in practice, 2_"alternative", proper use of, 3_ medicine and alternative used together as a single term. Each of 1,2 and 3 have a variety of uses according to context and intent. In combination the variations are multiple, and the opportunity for argument for its own sake is too attractive for some not to take, or perhaps they cannot avoid falling into. So, 1st- is the lead at Medicine acceptable? It starts with a definition sourced to OED, but those at 2 and 3 show the risk of mischief opening up. Then it has links for applied science, diagnosis, treatment and disease. The next sentence has links for health care, health etc.. The next sentence contracts the general definition to contempory medicine by introducing, with links, health science, biomedical research, medical technology, medication and surgery. 2nd-Alternative, see [ [20]] "1.Relating to a choice between two or more possibilities 2. Not traditional, outside the mainstream, underground (e.g., alternative medicine..." Then "alternative medicine" at [ [21]] gives "any of various medical methods and practices used in place of, or as well as, conventional medicine. Now, as I see it, as a preliminary to formulating any lead for the AM article within whatever "policy" requires, it is necessary to have worked through the terms as being used at 1st and 2nd above, to consider what part of the 1st is the content to which the other is "alternative". Then to compare that with the definitions in the proposed exsting sources. That is intellectually more arduous than it may seem. Hence the difficulty which all sources have for giving a truthful definition for their own specific and particular context and purpose, and the further difficulty of selecting and reconciling such sources for the purposes of an article which has no (good faith) purpose other than giving a reasonably intelligent reader information about the topic. And at the same time the field becomes an adventure playground if anyone is minded to come out to play. Qexigator ( talk) 02:24, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Well, Puhlaa, perhaps we can leave it there. My attempt to be helpful evidently is not. There is little purpose in carrying on discussing this, which will only be distracting you from the AM work. "...you must consider if you agree with my proposal"-- no, sir, must is not the vocabulary. My comment here was addressed to you personally to explain why I felt it better to abstain. Your response confirms that. Also, your parting words imply discourteousy, which is not the case. May your endeavour at AM accomplish some improvement. Qexigator ( talk) 03:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
1_Thanks for offering advice. Though a novice editor at Wikipedia I am not a greenhorn. 2_No intention to confuse, only attempting to clarify. 3_My remarks here were meant to be specific to the tangle at AM (see [ [22]]), but could have wider application. 4_I have insufficient expertise in this particular topic to discuss the relative merits of specialist sources, and attempting it would be tedious for all parties, hence the sensible and decent thing to do is "abstain". 5_But common sense has been enough to see the point of Tomcat's remarks, and I have made that known (I would like to have said 'abundantly clear') before and after his robust intervention. In my view there can be no improvement which does not start from acknowledging that and making and keeping a revision removing "propaganda" and "fraud" from the lead. That, in my view, is sine qua non and there is a limit to how frequently this can be reiterated in the course of discussion. 6_Like any qualified professional, you will know what is meant by saying the topic is one for grownups not for child's play[ [23]]. _7 I'm going to be bold enough to invite you to see this: Talk:Wallace Sampson. I know more about Sinclair Lewis than Sampson, who, for all I know (practically nothing but at Wallace Sampson) could be hoaxing or a hoaxer, as could anyone else known to us or not. But I feel certain that Sinclair Lewis was not, nor reputed to be. -- Qexigator ( talk) 10:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
While, as mentioned before, I do not propose to be drawn into a debate about the relative or absolute merits of any of the sources, my view is that various editors have produced and argued for and against the sources to the point where the sources cited to date must seem untrustworthy unless fully checked for 1_authenticity and 2_the passage which is being relied on is made available for scrutiny on the Talk page. Qexigator ( talk) 21:29, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Seeing that Cochrane has been mentioned by some editors at Talk:Alternative medicine it occurs to me to ask whether you are able to say to what extent the editing and sourcing of the article is being determined by Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Evidence based content for medical articles on Wikipedia, Projects/pages of possible interest to Cochrane Collaboration [ [27]]? If not should it be? If so, has it been declared, or should it be? Qexigator ( talk) 21:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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The article needs to be proof read, then contradictions(i.e. lead saying there's consensus... then somewhere in body saying there isn't really) and your contentions should be laid out in talk page for discussion. If you find statements that you disagree with, check sources. If sources don't support the prose, tag it. This article right now is very very difficult to follow. Cantaloupe2 ( talk) 15:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Hey Puhlaa,
Have you ever edited wikipedia using a different account or under different names? NickCT ( talk) 15:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for keeping a cool head at Chiropractic for so long and for continually raising the level of discussion away from personal attacks to high quality sources. It's definitely noticed by me and I believe as well by some who hold different views of Chiropractic than you. Keep it up ;) Ocaasi t | c 19:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC) |
Your name was mentioned here and you may or may not have interest concerning the behaviour of Cantaloupe2 discussion. Thanks 174.118.142.187 ( talk) 15:05, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Puhlaa. Hi Doc. There is a revised lead proposal here [43] based on your recommendations and Doc James. Please let me know if there are any more concerns wrt the revised proposal. Cheers. DVMt ( talk) 15:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
Request initiated for the article Alternative medicine to be moved to Complementary and alternative medicine. I'm notifying you as major contributor to the article. Relevant talk page discussion found here. FiachraByrne ( talk) 03:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Research status on manual and manipulative therapy! See here [44] for the proposal and discussion. I'm curious to hear about the citations. Regards, DVMt ( talk) 03:59, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Your references have helped. The editors are going in the opposite direction and now have changed there are no 'correlates' for acupuncture points to there is no 'existence' of acupuncture points in science. However, I have exhaustively shown multiple sources of scientific measurements on acupuncture points. Further, they continue to maintain bogus research to support that statement with no regard for the Acupuncture TALK page. How do I lodge a complaint for bias and misrepresentation? Would that help? TriumvirateProtean ( talk) 03:58, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Greetings and thank you for your contributions to WP. I have proposed a format for references on Alternative medicine. I wanted to let you know and give you an opportunity to comment here. Good day! - - MrBill3 ( talk) 17:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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