Hi Pogenplain! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.
As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful:
Alternatively, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics.
If you have any questions, we have a friendly space where experienced editors can help you here:
If you are not sure where to help out, you can find a task here:
Happy editing! Fahads1982 ( talk) 17:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Please use Help:Edit summary to help other editors understand what you are doing. This can, among other things, lower the risk that someone reverts you with an "unexplained changes, take it to the talkpage." Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar | |
You're doing an awesome job on Alexander the Great-related pages! BuySomeApples ( talk) 04:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
Just a heads up, when you split articles off of other ones (like you did here), you have to provide attribution for where the text it originally came from. This page has instructions on how to split. I went ahead and put attribution on the talk page of both articles. Happy editing! BuySomeApples ( talk) 05:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, thank you for agreeing to review articles for me. Can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 17:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, I have some more articles I hope you can review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 05:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 01:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 06:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, is there a problem preventing the Hadith Dhulqarnayn page from being reviewed? Pogenplain ( talk) 00:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review the new pages I have created and placed in this section of my user page: /info/en/?search=User:Pogenplain#Ancient_cosmology_(&_Hexaemeral_literature) Thank you. Pogenplain ( talk) 23:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 03:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Pogenplain. Thank you for your work on Iskandarnameh . Ingratis, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
Hi, Pogenplain. Thanks for creating this interesting article. I have reviewed / accepted it. Best wishes, Ingratis ( talk) 18:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with @
Ingratis:. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~
. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
Dear colleague, please do not rename pages by cutting and pasting content, as it creates multiple problems. The proper ways to rename the pages are described in WP:Move. Викидим ( talk) 05:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Pogenplain. Thank you for your work on Nativitas et victoria Alexandri Magni regis. Klbrain, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
Thanks for adding the one new reference with details of the manuscript, but I think that it's best discussed on the Alexander Romance page for context and overlap.
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Klbrain}}
. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~
. (Message delivered via the
Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
Klbrain ( talk) 19:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
The Christianity Barnstar | ||
In recognition of your heroic cleanup work on Clementine literature. I know how challenging those Catholic Encyclopedia pages can be to tackle. — Moriwen ( talk) 14:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
Hi, to avoid getting into an edit war I'll talk more about this topic here if you dont mind.
The source did claim that Marduk was originally a storm god. However, I just want to point out that Marduk's original role is disputed, as there is very little early evidence for Marduk (and also his city Babylon.) In fact, outside of Adad being occasionally identified with Marduk in the 1st Millenium BC I would say there isn't much evidence for Marduk to have been a storm god in later development either. Using Storms and Winds as weapons does not make a god a storm god, see Ninurta and Tishpak. Heres an excerpt from Schwemer's "The Storm-Gods of the Ancient Near East: Summary, Synthesis, Recent Studies Part I"
"...and, more importantly, none of the points of contact that we have mentioned provide any proof for the hypothesis that Marduk himself originally was regarded as a local storm-god before acquiring a much broader profile due to his preeminent role in later Babylonian theology." (Schwemer p.128)
Also, the etymology of Marduk is generally understood to be taken from amar-utu, which means "bull calf of Utu." Jacobsen contributed a lot to Assyriology and worked with what he had back then, but some of his ideas on Mesopotamian mythology are getting a little outdated to say the least.
Another thing to note: I don't think calling the whole genre of storm god v.s. the sea "Western Semitic" is a good idea, notwithstanding that its how it was described in the source. The Hurrians and Hittites also had stories of that sort, and Hurrian and Hittite are not Semitic languages.
Oh and, Anzu is not a creation myth. Enlil also barely appears in Enuma Elish, only appearing near the end, or a "downright spiteful treatment of the old head of the pantheon" (Lambert "Studies in Marduk", p.5) so highly doubt Tiamat stole the tablet of destinies from Enlil. Both Anzu and Tiamat were not dragons. The protagonist "young warrior god" in the Labbu myth was not Enlil, but Tishpak (and Tishpak did not fail to fight Labbu, he even got rewarded kingship for it). The source is right that the Enuma Elish draws on a lot of older Mesopotamian literature, but I feel like more sources would be beneficial to the wiki article. This wiki article is quite an ambitious project after all. Baldpotat0 ( talk) 01:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi Pogenplain! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.
As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful:
Alternatively, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics.
If you have any questions, we have a friendly space where experienced editors can help you here:
If you are not sure where to help out, you can find a task here:
Happy editing! Fahads1982 ( talk) 17:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Please use Help:Edit summary to help other editors understand what you are doing. This can, among other things, lower the risk that someone reverts you with an "unexplained changes, take it to the talkpage." Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar | |
You're doing an awesome job on Alexander the Great-related pages! BuySomeApples ( talk) 04:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
Just a heads up, when you split articles off of other ones (like you did here), you have to provide attribution for where the text it originally came from. This page has instructions on how to split. I went ahead and put attribution on the talk page of both articles. Happy editing! BuySomeApples ( talk) 05:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, thank you for agreeing to review articles for me. Can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 17:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, I have some more articles I hope you can review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 05:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 01:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 06:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, is there a problem preventing the Hadith Dhulqarnayn page from being reviewed? Pogenplain ( talk) 00:07, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review the new pages I have created and placed in this section of my user page: /info/en/?search=User:Pogenplain#Ancient_cosmology_(&_Hexaemeral_literature) Thank you. Pogenplain ( talk) 23:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello @ StarTrekker, can you review:
Pogenplain ( talk) 03:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Pogenplain. Thank you for your work on Iskandarnameh . Ingratis, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
Hi, Pogenplain. Thanks for creating this interesting article. I have reviewed / accepted it. Best wishes, Ingratis ( talk) 18:47, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with @
Ingratis:. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~
. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
Dear colleague, please do not rename pages by cutting and pasting content, as it creates multiple problems. The proper ways to rename the pages are described in WP:Move. Викидим ( talk) 05:25, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Pogenplain. Thank you for your work on Nativitas et victoria Alexandri Magni regis. Klbrain, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:
Thanks for adding the one new reference with details of the manuscript, but I think that it's best discussed on the Alexander Romance page for context and overlap.
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Klbrain}}
. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~
. (Message delivered via the
Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)
Klbrain ( talk) 19:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
The Christianity Barnstar | ||
In recognition of your heroic cleanup work on Clementine literature. I know how challenging those Catholic Encyclopedia pages can be to tackle. — Moriwen ( talk) 14:44, 25 March 2024 (UTC) |
Hi, to avoid getting into an edit war I'll talk more about this topic here if you dont mind.
The source did claim that Marduk was originally a storm god. However, I just want to point out that Marduk's original role is disputed, as there is very little early evidence for Marduk (and also his city Babylon.) In fact, outside of Adad being occasionally identified with Marduk in the 1st Millenium BC I would say there isn't much evidence for Marduk to have been a storm god in later development either. Using Storms and Winds as weapons does not make a god a storm god, see Ninurta and Tishpak. Heres an excerpt from Schwemer's "The Storm-Gods of the Ancient Near East: Summary, Synthesis, Recent Studies Part I"
"...and, more importantly, none of the points of contact that we have mentioned provide any proof for the hypothesis that Marduk himself originally was regarded as a local storm-god before acquiring a much broader profile due to his preeminent role in later Babylonian theology." (Schwemer p.128)
Also, the etymology of Marduk is generally understood to be taken from amar-utu, which means "bull calf of Utu." Jacobsen contributed a lot to Assyriology and worked with what he had back then, but some of his ideas on Mesopotamian mythology are getting a little outdated to say the least.
Another thing to note: I don't think calling the whole genre of storm god v.s. the sea "Western Semitic" is a good idea, notwithstanding that its how it was described in the source. The Hurrians and Hittites also had stories of that sort, and Hurrian and Hittite are not Semitic languages.
Oh and, Anzu is not a creation myth. Enlil also barely appears in Enuma Elish, only appearing near the end, or a "downright spiteful treatment of the old head of the pantheon" (Lambert "Studies in Marduk", p.5) so highly doubt Tiamat stole the tablet of destinies from Enlil. Both Anzu and Tiamat were not dragons. The protagonist "young warrior god" in the Labbu myth was not Enlil, but Tishpak (and Tishpak did not fail to fight Labbu, he even got rewarded kingship for it). The source is right that the Enuma Elish draws on a lot of older Mesopotamian literature, but I feel like more sources would be beneficial to the wiki article. This wiki article is quite an ambitious project after all. Baldpotat0 ( talk) 01:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)