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Template:Daniel R. Gernatt, Sr. has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Softlavender ( talk) 08:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For all the articles you have written plus the numerous images on the Commons. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 08:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC) |
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Review_of_policy_that_led_to_the_blocking_of_Carriearchdale_in_order_to_avoid_repeat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob the goodwin ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I had joined Wikipedia's efforts for my own enjoyment of contributing, creating, and informing. While I do appreciate the kindness and support of many editors, those who are continually negative and unprofessional, I believe, have no place here. Such ugliness is continually discouraging and keeps driving folks such as myself away from continued efforts here. I wish things would improve in those regards, but I have not witnessed or experienced the sweeping changes that are needed here for that to occur and to be maintained. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 02:49, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello Daniellagreen,
As you already know, there has been a debate on the article Gernatt Family of Companies. I am just giving you a friendly heads up that I have sent the article to AfD; primarily to open the discussion of the article to the greater Wikipedia community. In no way am I attempting to attack the article, your character or edits. Nor am I vouching for deletion; I am primarily focused on the status of the debate and the article. Thank you and if you have questions please ask. -- Dekema2 ( talk) 02:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
About 2.5 months ago, I had enough of the topsy-turvy situations that I experienced here, and decided to go into semi-retirement. I would like to reiterate that I am maintaining my account and minimal activity here for maintenance and salvage purposes, at this point. Since July, five articles/contributions that I made to this project have been put up for deletion. Each of these items met notability and met Wikipedia's guidelines for notability, but because a consensus of people voted to delete them, 3 of those 5 now no longer exist. This all started with the incessant harassment and cyber bullying of Carriearchdale, having been indefinitely blocked by Wikipedia administrators for her behavior. In that situation, there were about 30 editors who expressed their support toward me, all of whom I sent my personal appreciation. That was an experience that no one on any media outlet should have; it was really over the top. Since that time, other editors have put up more articles/contributions of mine for deletion, all of these in relation to the Gernatt family and/or companies. To continually experience these situations has been unfounded and more than discouraging. And, just for the record, again, for all of the disbelievers out there, I have not received one cent of any type of compensation for my efforts here for anything. And, I do not have any type of personal or professional relationship with any of the articles I have created and edited. I had hoped to have experiences on Wikipedia that would be much more collaborative and cooperative than what I have experienced, overall. Generally, my experience has been that most editors prefer to delete articles and information than to contribute to and expand them. Certainly, no one is obligated to do that, however it is an expected consideration and professional courtesy of people in our business. Unfortunately and for the most part, it is not practiced here. That is where this organization can improve and also work to retain other editors. That stated, the actions of Dekema2 in putting up yet another of my articles for deletion, even though it has met notability, has cured me of ever having any desire, motivation, or interest in contributing anything of significance here. I'm glad for the professional and courteous people with whom I have communicated here, though I will not continue to invest countless hours, effort, and electricity into articles that others can simply delete in one second. This is not what I expected, leaves much to be desired, has the potential for improvement, and which positive change is slow in coming (if at all). Later, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 17:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
It may add some context to the remarks about the nature of your editing, that I consider the section "Parish support by the Gernatt Family" in the article St. Joseph Parish, Gowanda, New York is a particularly outrageous purely promotional section. I have previous supported some of your work, but anyone adding material of this nature is not writing for the benefit on the encyclopedia. If you return, I advise you in the strongest possible terms to edit articles that are in no way connected with this family. for therecord, I'm leaving a formal warning. DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. DGG ( talk ) 05:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article St. Joseph Parish, Gowanda, New York is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Joseph Parish, Gowanda, New York until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Orange Mike | Talk 03:58, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
This is what you get for trying to contribute to this organization, a wide difference in opinions, as continues to be observed in the above. There is much to still be improved here, as continues to be confirmed for me. It's too bad that people cannot agree to disagree, and would rather create conflict. It's not necessary, professional, nor a good reflection on the organization. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 14:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
I hear what you're saying, though I still don't see the fairness in the situation when guidelines and policy aren't followed, and instead, consensus and majority are. After having experienced that so many times already - especially with so many people seeming to focus on and attack these articles that even remotely mention this family - it has appeared to me to be a situation of mass efforts toward deletion due to a lack of insight and openmindedness. So, regarding the parish article, there are also 9 other articles on Wikipedia that are about "St. Joseph Parish," in various other locations. Then, all of those should also be deleted for not being notable, as well. When articles that I have created are attacked for reasons that I view as superficial, then it appears that the work I've done is being singled out for deletion. As far as the collaboration aspect, I believe I have been collaborative, and for so much of my work to be so cruelly attacked by other editors does not promote an atmosphere of collaboration to the point that it seems that some of them are here just to create and be involved in conflict. So, it is really sad when those editors who have been supportive in the past are no longer even getting involved, and the editors who are mainly negative, critical, and judgmental are the ruling consensus. That's why I say, there may be a consensus, but it doesn't mean it's right or fair. When only the editors involved in a discussion have a negative outlook and nothing good to say, then it's the negative perspective that will be reached. A majority of people decided to elect Hitler, but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. A majority of people in the South wanted to maintain slavery and break away from the union, but that doesn't mean it was right, ethical, or just. Politics put Jesus to death, but that doesn't mean it was right, ethical, or just either. I came here in the spirit of collaboration, but when I continually observe actions by among those editors whom I consider to be the most negative, that also appear to be narrow-minded, lacking in insight, and bent on simply deletion due to politics, that is something that I cannot support. Further, when I voice that, it doesn't appear that most folks can handle it. Most people seem to always want others to agree with them, however when there is disagreement, they cannot agree to disagree. Instead, there is the desire to conquer, control, and silence those who have disagreed. How many more people would have been killed in the Holocaust and World War II if Hitler's regime hadn't been stopped? How many more Blacks would have been lynched and murdered in the South if slavery had continued? How much more good could Jesus have done on earth if he hadn't been tortured and put to death? Perhaps unlike many here, I look at the bigger picture, not solely about seeing how much information can be deleted and trying to justify reasons for it. Thanks for your comment about my work having value. I was beginning to think that none of it was valuable or appreciated here. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 17:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
So, Harry, I appreciate your comments, but I also believe there's alot that has been missed in regard to comments and interactions by Softlavender and Eeng to me. The stalking and harassment I've experienced by them is shameful. It is just so tiresome and immature at this point that, I can see that's how things are going to be, and I don't want to be a part of it. Such conduct on their part should not be acceptable here, but it is, and they have felt even more empowered by it. I can see that I'm being taken down to their level, and that's not what I want. So, my issue is not at all about "controlling Wikipedia," it is about stating my perspective and standing up for it. That so many other editors can rally around such folks without having followed the full history of these recent situations is far beyond what I have any desire to invest further time in. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 00:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Template:Daniel R. Gernatt, Sr. has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Softlavender ( talk) 08:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
For all the articles you have written plus the numerous images on the Commons. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 08:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC) |
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Review_of_policy_that_led_to_the_blocking_of_Carriearchdale_in_order_to_avoid_repeat — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob the goodwin ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I had joined Wikipedia's efforts for my own enjoyment of contributing, creating, and informing. While I do appreciate the kindness and support of many editors, those who are continually negative and unprofessional, I believe, have no place here. Such ugliness is continually discouraging and keeps driving folks such as myself away from continued efforts here. I wish things would improve in those regards, but I have not witnessed or experienced the sweeping changes that are needed here for that to occur and to be maintained. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 02:49, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello Daniellagreen,
As you already know, there has been a debate on the article Gernatt Family of Companies. I am just giving you a friendly heads up that I have sent the article to AfD; primarily to open the discussion of the article to the greater Wikipedia community. In no way am I attempting to attack the article, your character or edits. Nor am I vouching for deletion; I am primarily focused on the status of the debate and the article. Thank you and if you have questions please ask. -- Dekema2 ( talk) 02:02, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
About 2.5 months ago, I had enough of the topsy-turvy situations that I experienced here, and decided to go into semi-retirement. I would like to reiterate that I am maintaining my account and minimal activity here for maintenance and salvage purposes, at this point. Since July, five articles/contributions that I made to this project have been put up for deletion. Each of these items met notability and met Wikipedia's guidelines for notability, but because a consensus of people voted to delete them, 3 of those 5 now no longer exist. This all started with the incessant harassment and cyber bullying of Carriearchdale, having been indefinitely blocked by Wikipedia administrators for her behavior. In that situation, there were about 30 editors who expressed their support toward me, all of whom I sent my personal appreciation. That was an experience that no one on any media outlet should have; it was really over the top. Since that time, other editors have put up more articles/contributions of mine for deletion, all of these in relation to the Gernatt family and/or companies. To continually experience these situations has been unfounded and more than discouraging. And, just for the record, again, for all of the disbelievers out there, I have not received one cent of any type of compensation for my efforts here for anything. And, I do not have any type of personal or professional relationship with any of the articles I have created and edited. I had hoped to have experiences on Wikipedia that would be much more collaborative and cooperative than what I have experienced, overall. Generally, my experience has been that most editors prefer to delete articles and information than to contribute to and expand them. Certainly, no one is obligated to do that, however it is an expected consideration and professional courtesy of people in our business. Unfortunately and for the most part, it is not practiced here. That is where this organization can improve and also work to retain other editors. That stated, the actions of Dekema2 in putting up yet another of my articles for deletion, even though it has met notability, has cured me of ever having any desire, motivation, or interest in contributing anything of significance here. I'm glad for the professional and courteous people with whom I have communicated here, though I will not continue to invest countless hours, effort, and electricity into articles that others can simply delete in one second. This is not what I expected, leaves much to be desired, has the potential for improvement, and which positive change is slow in coming (if at all). Later, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 17:46, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
It may add some context to the remarks about the nature of your editing, that I consider the section "Parish support by the Gernatt Family" in the article St. Joseph Parish, Gowanda, New York is a particularly outrageous purely promotional section. I have previous supported some of your work, but anyone adding material of this nature is not writing for the benefit on the encyclopedia. If you return, I advise you in the strongest possible terms to edit articles that are in no way connected with this family. for therecord, I'm leaving a formal warning. DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add soapboxing, promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. DGG ( talk ) 05:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article St. Joseph Parish, Gowanda, New York is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Joseph Parish, Gowanda, New York until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Orange Mike | Talk 03:58, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
This is what you get for trying to contribute to this organization, a wide difference in opinions, as continues to be observed in the above. There is much to still be improved here, as continues to be confirmed for me. It's too bad that people cannot agree to disagree, and would rather create conflict. It's not necessary, professional, nor a good reflection on the organization. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 14:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
I hear what you're saying, though I still don't see the fairness in the situation when guidelines and policy aren't followed, and instead, consensus and majority are. After having experienced that so many times already - especially with so many people seeming to focus on and attack these articles that even remotely mention this family - it has appeared to me to be a situation of mass efforts toward deletion due to a lack of insight and openmindedness. So, regarding the parish article, there are also 9 other articles on Wikipedia that are about "St. Joseph Parish," in various other locations. Then, all of those should also be deleted for not being notable, as well. When articles that I have created are attacked for reasons that I view as superficial, then it appears that the work I've done is being singled out for deletion. As far as the collaboration aspect, I believe I have been collaborative, and for so much of my work to be so cruelly attacked by other editors does not promote an atmosphere of collaboration to the point that it seems that some of them are here just to create and be involved in conflict. So, it is really sad when those editors who have been supportive in the past are no longer even getting involved, and the editors who are mainly negative, critical, and judgmental are the ruling consensus. That's why I say, there may be a consensus, but it doesn't mean it's right or fair. When only the editors involved in a discussion have a negative outlook and nothing good to say, then it's the negative perspective that will be reached. A majority of people decided to elect Hitler, but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. A majority of people in the South wanted to maintain slavery and break away from the union, but that doesn't mean it was right, ethical, or just. Politics put Jesus to death, but that doesn't mean it was right, ethical, or just either. I came here in the spirit of collaboration, but when I continually observe actions by among those editors whom I consider to be the most negative, that also appear to be narrow-minded, lacking in insight, and bent on simply deletion due to politics, that is something that I cannot support. Further, when I voice that, it doesn't appear that most folks can handle it. Most people seem to always want others to agree with them, however when there is disagreement, they cannot agree to disagree. Instead, there is the desire to conquer, control, and silence those who have disagreed. How many more people would have been killed in the Holocaust and World War II if Hitler's regime hadn't been stopped? How many more Blacks would have been lynched and murdered in the South if slavery had continued? How much more good could Jesus have done on earth if he hadn't been tortured and put to death? Perhaps unlike many here, I look at the bigger picture, not solely about seeing how much information can be deleted and trying to justify reasons for it. Thanks for your comment about my work having value. I was beginning to think that none of it was valuable or appreciated here. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 17:10, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
So, Harry, I appreciate your comments, but I also believe there's alot that has been missed in regard to comments and interactions by Softlavender and Eeng to me. The stalking and harassment I've experienced by them is shameful. It is just so tiresome and immature at this point that, I can see that's how things are going to be, and I don't want to be a part of it. Such conduct on their part should not be acceptable here, but it is, and they have felt even more empowered by it. I can see that I'm being taken down to their level, and that's not what I want. So, my issue is not at all about "controlling Wikipedia," it is about stating my perspective and standing up for it. That so many other editors can rally around such folks without having followed the full history of these recent situations is far beyond what I have any desire to invest further time in. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 00:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
OccultZone ( Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |