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I don't think I have ever seen anything like Timeline of Cherokee removal on Wikipedia. What detail, and oh the printed references! « D. Trebbien ( talk) 01:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
Excellent work on these stubs - just wanted to drop you a friendly reminder to use categories and stub templates when you're creating them.
Keep up the good work, and happy editing! -- User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 16:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
So, I was looking around recently at Oconostota, Attakullakulla, Kanagatucko, Ostenaco, and Henry Timberlake, and I've found myself slightly confused as to the identity of the Cherokee pictured in Francis Parsons' 1762 portrait which is currently shown on the article for Oconostota. I was wondering if you had access to any sources which could help to clarify who this actually is. He was one of three Cherokee that traveled with Timberlake to England in 1762. Ostenaco was one. According to the appendix of this edition (Note 161) of Timberlake's Memoirs, the three Cherokee were Otacita Ostinaco Sky Augusta (Ostenaco), Wooe Pidgeon, and Conney Shota. The Cherokee in the portrait is Conney Shota, who is also mentioned in that appendix as Stalking Turkey. (The artist is also incorrectly mentioned in that appendix as Thomas Parson). A Smithsonian website I found mentions him as Cunne Shote (or Ku na gadoga, The Standing Turkey, Turkey Is Standing, Conocotocko). Any chance you know which Cherokee exactly these are? I'd love to see their articles (if they exist) filled out applicably and correctly as we have attempted to do on Ostenaco's article. If Conney Shota is not Oconostata, I'd like to see the incorrect portrait there removed. Thanks for the help. -- PEPSI2786 talk 00:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
According to Ray Evans, the portrait is of Ostenaco, painted by a guy named Reynolds. He did an article about the trip for the Journal of Cherokee Studies which mentioned the picture and ID'd Ostenaco as the subject. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 20:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
If you read further down in that link to the Smithsonian, that's exactly who they say it is. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 05:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Natty4bumpo; I'm writing with regards to a request for editor assistance about the article on James Vann. It appears you reverted an anonymous editor's edits to that page, and he/she is somewhat confused about those reverts. I've advised that user to take things to the talk page, and I'd appreciate it if you'd take the time to go over there as well. I will say, however, this would probably have been easier for all involved if you'd used an edit summary somewhere in the series of reverts you made. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 21:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
The additions are unsourced and in large part false. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 16:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
You're repeating yourself. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 17:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Chuck, thanks for the discussion at AfD. It is apparent that we are talking past each other, and not likely to come to agreement. I have unwatched the pages, so as not to continue our back and forth there. If you wish to discuss this further, you may do so on my talk page. If not, all the best and happy editing. Athanasius • Quicumque vult 18:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Please do not re-add a speedy deletion tag after it has been removed. Doing so again will be taken as disruptive. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. -- TeaDrinker ( talk) 17:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Natty4bumpo. I just wanted to drop you a note and remind you that as someone else pointed out on the AfD, you're coming very close to breaching the no personal attacks rule, and you've left civility in the dust. Disagreeing with you does not constitute belonging to the group you're trying to get deleted. The criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia is notability, not federal recognition. An excess of self-published sources is not a reason for deletion: it's a reason for cleanup and rewriting.
The reason I dropped in is that your conduct there was brought up on the Administrator's Noticeboard. Please follow WP policies more closely so that we don't have to take action to protect the encyclopedia. Thank you.-- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 18:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Funny, but no one made similar defense of the "Chikamaka", whose article was speedily deleted (by someone else's suggestion; I already had suggested deletion the long way).
As for keeping the article, when Wikipedia finds itself in court defending against lawsuits by the Cherokee Nation (the actual federally-recognized LEGITIMATE Cherokee Nation) and the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, you can't say I didn't tell you that could happen. That's not a threat, it's just that the two afore-mentioned entities are in the process of bringing such a suit in federal court, with the NCNOTL being one of the entities they are targetting; any organization which supports the fraudulent claims of the NCNOTL (and any of the other 204 such organizations listed on the CNO's website) could potentially find itself in the position of co-respondent. Since I'm not, and have never claimed to be Cherokee, that can't be considered a threat. It's just that for the last year Wikipedia has been trying to shore up its credibility and such articles as this one hamper that. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 21:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
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Just a note here. the NCNOLT, according to National Conference of State Legislatures's Federal and State Recognized Tribes listing, is considered State-recognized in MO, with strong presence in AR but without recognition, and unrecognized branches in KS and OK. Consequently, the State recognized tribes and Unrecognized tribes listings reflect that. As NCSL is considered a reliable source, the two listings consequently reflects that... this doesn't mean you're right or wrong about this... it just means Wikipedia is reflecting what is verifyable. We appreciate any efforts to make all articles and listings be neutral and informative. As for the NCNOLT AfD issue, the current article is a liability to Wikipedia, but if edited to a strongly documented NPOV article, it should be OK, including the appropriate tags indicating that the article is in dispute. CJLippert ( talk) 16:01, 24 May 2009 (UTC) CJLippert ( talk) 16:01, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Where? Can you put a link that shows any information about the CNO lawsuit, or their listing of fraudulent tribes? I've looked all over the CNO site and can't find either. (Although I know David Cornsilk keeps posting them, but he also thinks even the CNO is a fraudulent government). I only know of a non-binding resolution that was passed at a joint meeting between the Eastern and CNO, but nothing about any real action being taken. I think I've asked you this before. Odestiny ( talk) 05:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
http://www.powwows.com/gathering/native-issues/42092-list-fraudulent-cherokee-chickamuagas.html http://taskforce.cherokee.org/ (CNO's page for fraudulent tribes) List of unrecognized tribes Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 05:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I am undoing your edits re state recognition of tribes for two reasons. First, whether or not they are recognized under federal law is irrelevant to their recognition by particular states. Make note of the insignificance of this recognition - but don't erase it. Second, you assert that state recognition can take place only by act of the legislature. I don't know anything about the subject area, so that may certainly be true; but it still needs to be sourced. Indeed for those of us who don't know anything about the area, it *needs* to be sourced. And - state by state, please. One state might require it by legislative act; another by gubernatorial proclamation. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 18:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Chuck, you're the one editing pages to add assertions that you can't or won't source, and defending the edits with shifting, inconsistent and oftentimes incorrect claims. Not me. I don't have to source my questions! JohnInDC ( talk) 18:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing.
I acknowledge that you're only one half of the war and will be posting warnings on the Talk pages of the IP editors too, once I can figure out which ones are due it. JohnInDC ( talk) 18:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
You might want to strike and refactor part of this edit considering an apparent typo of "Mormon". The other editor in the dispute seems to have taken offense at the typo which could be misconstrued as a highly inappropriate joke about Mormonism. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 21:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Chuck. Considering the ongoing matters at the NCNOLT talk page, here and apparently elsewhere, I've filed a Wikiquette alert regarding your conduct to request outside input. I'm very concerned that your behavior is going to both drive away other editors and cause you to burn out or eventually wind up blocked for incivility, and I'm hoping this can help bring you around. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
You might want to check the recent additions to the Kituwa article when you get a chance. I'm not sure they're worthy of a serious article. Bms4880 ( talk) 20:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I have now namually copied and pasted the contents of "Mohammad Mossaddegh" (along with the contents of its corresponding talk page) to "Mohammad Mosaddegh", so as to avoid the problem arising from the existence of the Redirect page with the latter name. Should be grateful if you would kindly inspect and see whether I have transferred things properly. Kind regards, --BF 18:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC).
Please be advised that you have now reverted source information in Massacre at Ywahoo Falls three times within the last 24 hours. [1] [2] [3]. Abby Kelleyite ( talk) 19:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
from an anonymous reader, who is not really much of a wikipedia editor, I would have liked to have read that article [4]. I also thought that the angel hair article was perfect the way it was. no offense meant to anyone, but I would have read it, you see Stephen King once said "We make up horrors to deal with the real ones." If, and only If, that article was completely fictionalized, maybe it was his way of coping, with a real horror. the only other RATIONAL idea is that he was telling the complete and utter truth as he saw it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.27.52 ( talk) 16:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC) Oh and Abby, I hope I didn't get you in trouble by posting that one fringe soul to another is this [5] really important? to some of the mainstream Forteans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.27.52 ( talk) 16:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Although I completely agree that the article fails reliable sources, notability, etc and shouldn't be perpetuated, this seems to imply you've become too personally invested in this issues. Many other editors may see actions such as this as provocative, and it could hurt the chances of a fair outcome in the AFD. Maybe you should step back and let the AFD run its course? Regards, He iro 00:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed the one about original research, which didn't really fit, but the others all do. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 00:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Re Yehud Medinata: the Greek name was Ioudaia, from whence the Latin Iudaea. But it could be useful to extend the history into the Hellenistic period. But again, if this is done, the sections on the earlier period need to be shortened to make room. But yet again, there is some interesting material that can be used: Finkelstein questions the history in Ezra-Nehemiah on archaeological grounds (he finds no sign of a Persian-period wall as described in Nehemiah). His findings have been queried by Zevit and others and the debate is ongoing - see this page, the second item. PiCo ( talk) 01:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a WP:POINT. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 20:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
State recognized tribes. Users who
edit disruptively or refuse to
collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue.
In particular, the three-revert rule states that:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording, and content that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 21:33, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello Natty4bumpo/Chuck Hamilton. The 3RR report at WP:AN3#User:Natty4bumpo reported by User:SarekOfVulcan (Result: ) will benefit from a commment from you. The fact that you are continuing to revert at State recognized tribes, even after you were told that an edit-warring report is open, will probably not impress the closing admin. EdJohnston ( talk) 23:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Blocked 24h for edit warring per Sarek's report; I see the pattern exists at Southern Cherokee Nation of Kentucky and probably elsewhere. Revert once, and then discuss, is the wise path. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 02:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted your quite dramatic edits to this article rather than tagging each addition requiring citations because there also appears to be an element of original research. Please feel free to dispute this at the relevant Talk Page. RashersTierney ( talk) 01:34, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that Rashers has pointed out that Michael Collins (Irish leader) could fall under the Troubles 1RR restriction, I think it would be wise to restrict yourself there, regardless of whether it's been formally tagged. The relevant arbitration case was quite clear that any articles related to Irish nationalism were covered. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 21:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Wow Chuck - I was persuaded in your treatment of that article that you are a commited afficianado of Native American interests. Above I discover you seek to speak for Irish Republicans like myself also. It seems there is no limit to your knowledge or presumption. Mark Dask 18:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
If you are finished editing this article I will now format the references. Do please let me know. Mark Dask 19:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
You say that none of the facts in the "Early life" section are in dispute, but ideally every fact in an article should be cited to a reliable source. This doesn't have to mean a plethora of footnotes; at the minimum it should be one per paragraph, though. I was assessing Stand Watie for inclusion in Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/June 25, but was not able to use it because of the lack of citations there (and as it turns out, June 25 is not a related date anyway). Thanks. howcheng { chat} 22:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use violate WP:ERA, as you did at Phoenicia, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 08:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
If you have a valid reason that complies with WP:NPOV to convert the date format of Phoenicia, please explain it on the article talk page (as required by) WP:ERA instead of continuing to change the format without a reason appropriate under WP:ERA. It appears that your current reason is very POV of a religious nature. Also please see WP:AGF before accusing someone else of bad faith; I am doing nothing more than maintaining the current date format per WP:MOS. VMS Mosaic ( talk)
Your recent editing history at Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.
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Do not insert your original research at Natural-born-citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution. Like all Wikipedia editors, you are unqualified to decide if a modern law about citizenship affects who is eligible to serve as president. I have reverted your original research. Jc3s5h ( talk) 14:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.
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The proposed edits that you have now three times attempted to insert, in addition to your previous edits, have been discussed extensively on the talk page and the archives -- and are presently being discussed there. Please discuss concerns on the talk page. Thanks. --
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"Citizen by birth" and "natural born citizenship" are the same thing. The two terms are used interchangeably in laws and court rulings. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 22:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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Alright. Given your retraction of the above legal threats, and your promise to stay away from any conflicts or disputes in the future, I'll unblock you. All of your privileges are re-instated, but please note that you are on unsteady ground - any further disruption and the next block will be permanent. Disruption means: removing content without discussion, reverting other editors, personally attacking them, and all the other behaviours listed at WP:DISRUPT. If you need anything else, or would like to ask questions, let me know. Best of luck, m.o.p 20:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Mighty work on the above, especially the inclusion of a map. However!
I'd be weary of the sources cited, as they are are second or third hand accounts. Mac Fhirbhisigh, which I used in the original article, was both a professional genealogist and a Gaeilgeoir, so his work should be given primacy.
Is mise, Fergananim ( talk) 13:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
The portrait itself is actually in the Gilcrease Museum in Oklahoma. If you read the Smithsonian link a little further, you'll see that what they have in their collection is an "8x10 black and white photograph" of the picture. I think the caption should at least reflect the right museum, but most importantly, the caption shouldn't indicate that the picture is actually Standing Turkey. See my discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America#Issues with Anglo-Cherokee War-era Cherokee leaders for the discussion I'm currently having about reorganization, because the whole Oconostota- Standing Turkey- Kanagatucko- Principal Chiefs of the Cherokee#Early leaders line of articles is rotten with confusion and conflated personalities. Cdtew ( talk) 19:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged this for NPOV - this and the day articles need to reflect the fact that there is no definitive single date for 12th night. Dougweller ( talk) 19:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
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Chuck, I am mystified by your attachment to the "savage Napoleon" label for Dragging Canoe, which you insist on keeping as a subsection title in Cherokee-American wars. You call it a "compliment." When is it a compliment to call someone "savage," especially an American Indian?
You also state that "several sources" use that term. Quoted material in Wikipedia should always be backed by a reliable source; otherwise it is subject to being removed. Kindly provide your sources.
Finally, you said that "this is just the title of a section." Are you suggesting that we take less care about the content of section titles than about the content of the rest of the article? Does large, bold-face type suggest to you that the text is less important?
Please review WP:5P. It would clear up a number of misconceptions that you appear to hold and that make it difficult to collaborate with you. If you object to collaboration, then you are in the wrong place. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 22:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted the subhead again, pending a source. I want to remind you of the three-revert rule which places a limit on how many times one may revert an edit within 24 hours. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 22:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the thank-yous. I appreciate it. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 16:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm curious what you meant by this edit summary. Were you referring to John Devoy's Recollections of an Irish Rebel? Because I have now read that book, and it only goes up to August 1916, so it couldn't be a source for the dissolution of the IRB in 1924. It's not really wise to edit an article if you don't have the information to hand. I see you said back in 2009, "I'm old school about footnotes, that they should only be used if there's an actual quote, paraphrase, or info that could have come only from that one source." I would have hoped that after five years you would have accepted that what school you belong to doesn't matter, Wikipedia policy requires facts to be verifiable against reliable sources. And before you say "but nobody disputes it was dissolved in 1924", take a look at this edit made a few months ago in good faith based on reports that appeared in two national newspapers. Scolaire ( talk) 21:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Please read WP:BURDEN. If you want to add material then it's up to you to add appropriate references, not anyone else. That's especially true on a featured article. -- NeilN talk to me 22:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Please stop adding information against consensus to a Featured article. Have a look at WP:EDITWAR and refrain from reinstating the text without first gaining consensus, or you could be blocked. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:07, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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Please stop this. There is clear disagreement as to the date. Isn't that obvious? Or are you saying the Oxford Dictionary's statement it is the 6th (while giving the 5th as well), is immaterial, as are other sources that date it to the 6th? If you disagree, take it to WP:RSN or NPOVN Dougweller ( talk) 17:44, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Seven years ago on the Kanagatucko talk page you shot down a user comment from '08 which pointed out that Kanagatucko is probably not the most accurate name for Cherokee leader Old Hop. I believe they are correct within the scope of modern scholarship. In addition to the sources they have provided, I can provide you with many other sources which give Old Hops given name as "Connecorte", including Dowd, Kelton, Oliphant, Tortora, Hatley, and Starr (the latter being Cherokee himself). This is also the name accepted by the National Park Service and North Carolina's wiki-like NCPedia. I personally have just spent the last semester writing my graduate term paper on the period of Old Hop's period of prominence in the 1750s prior to his death. Perhaps most persuasive of all, I have a primary source document to support my claim. In McDowell's oft-quoted Documents Relating to Indian Affairs, 1750-1754, the various Head Men of the Upper Cherokees wrote to Governor Glen and began their letter with this statement: “Connacrote [sic] the Head Man of Chote speaks for all” (on page 486). This Head Man of Chota as you know can be none other than Old Hop, and in addition, the letter is signed with Old Hop's mark. I hope you will reconsider your position in light of this evidence, and help me with the process to rename the page. I would like very much to contribute with my findings once it is corrected. Omniferous ( talk) 10:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
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Do you think that the sources at [ [8]] establish his existence? Because I added text at Massacre at Ywahoo Falls which challenges it, but it appears Coy's quote may be wrong. Any comments on Tankersley? Doug Weller talk 16:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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I don't think I have ever seen anything like Timeline of Cherokee removal on Wikipedia. What detail, and oh the printed references! « D. Trebbien ( talk) 01:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC) |
Excellent work on these stubs - just wanted to drop you a friendly reminder to use categories and stub templates when you're creating them.
Keep up the good work, and happy editing! -- User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 16:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
So, I was looking around recently at Oconostota, Attakullakulla, Kanagatucko, Ostenaco, and Henry Timberlake, and I've found myself slightly confused as to the identity of the Cherokee pictured in Francis Parsons' 1762 portrait which is currently shown on the article for Oconostota. I was wondering if you had access to any sources which could help to clarify who this actually is. He was one of three Cherokee that traveled with Timberlake to England in 1762. Ostenaco was one. According to the appendix of this edition (Note 161) of Timberlake's Memoirs, the three Cherokee were Otacita Ostinaco Sky Augusta (Ostenaco), Wooe Pidgeon, and Conney Shota. The Cherokee in the portrait is Conney Shota, who is also mentioned in that appendix as Stalking Turkey. (The artist is also incorrectly mentioned in that appendix as Thomas Parson). A Smithsonian website I found mentions him as Cunne Shote (or Ku na gadoga, The Standing Turkey, Turkey Is Standing, Conocotocko). Any chance you know which Cherokee exactly these are? I'd love to see their articles (if they exist) filled out applicably and correctly as we have attempted to do on Ostenaco's article. If Conney Shota is not Oconostata, I'd like to see the incorrect portrait there removed. Thanks for the help. -- PEPSI2786 talk 00:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
According to Ray Evans, the portrait is of Ostenaco, painted by a guy named Reynolds. He did an article about the trip for the Journal of Cherokee Studies which mentioned the picture and ID'd Ostenaco as the subject. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 20:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
If you read further down in that link to the Smithsonian, that's exactly who they say it is. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 05:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Natty4bumpo; I'm writing with regards to a request for editor assistance about the article on James Vann. It appears you reverted an anonymous editor's edits to that page, and he/she is somewhat confused about those reverts. I've advised that user to take things to the talk page, and I'd appreciate it if you'd take the time to go over there as well. I will say, however, this would probably have been easier for all involved if you'd used an edit summary somewhere in the series of reverts you made. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 21:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
The additions are unsourced and in large part false. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 16:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
You're repeating yourself. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 17:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey Chuck, thanks for the discussion at AfD. It is apparent that we are talking past each other, and not likely to come to agreement. I have unwatched the pages, so as not to continue our back and forth there. If you wish to discuss this further, you may do so on my talk page. If not, all the best and happy editing. Athanasius • Quicumque vult 18:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Please do not re-add a speedy deletion tag after it has been removed. Doing so again will be taken as disruptive. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. -- TeaDrinker ( talk) 17:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Natty4bumpo. I just wanted to drop you a note and remind you that as someone else pointed out on the AfD, you're coming very close to breaching the no personal attacks rule, and you've left civility in the dust. Disagreeing with you does not constitute belonging to the group you're trying to get deleted. The criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia is notability, not federal recognition. An excess of self-published sources is not a reason for deletion: it's a reason for cleanup and rewriting.
The reason I dropped in is that your conduct there was brought up on the Administrator's Noticeboard. Please follow WP policies more closely so that we don't have to take action to protect the encyclopedia. Thank you.-- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 18:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Funny, but no one made similar defense of the "Chikamaka", whose article was speedily deleted (by someone else's suggestion; I already had suggested deletion the long way).
As for keeping the article, when Wikipedia finds itself in court defending against lawsuits by the Cherokee Nation (the actual federally-recognized LEGITIMATE Cherokee Nation) and the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, you can't say I didn't tell you that could happen. That's not a threat, it's just that the two afore-mentioned entities are in the process of bringing such a suit in federal court, with the NCNOTL being one of the entities they are targetting; any organization which supports the fraudulent claims of the NCNOTL (and any of the other 204 such organizations listed on the CNO's website) could potentially find itself in the position of co-respondent. Since I'm not, and have never claimed to be Cherokee, that can't be considered a threat. It's just that for the last year Wikipedia has been trying to shore up its credibility and such articles as this one hamper that. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 21:41, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
{{
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Just a note here. the NCNOLT, according to National Conference of State Legislatures's Federal and State Recognized Tribes listing, is considered State-recognized in MO, with strong presence in AR but without recognition, and unrecognized branches in KS and OK. Consequently, the State recognized tribes and Unrecognized tribes listings reflect that. As NCSL is considered a reliable source, the two listings consequently reflects that... this doesn't mean you're right or wrong about this... it just means Wikipedia is reflecting what is verifyable. We appreciate any efforts to make all articles and listings be neutral and informative. As for the NCNOLT AfD issue, the current article is a liability to Wikipedia, but if edited to a strongly documented NPOV article, it should be OK, including the appropriate tags indicating that the article is in dispute. CJLippert ( talk) 16:01, 24 May 2009 (UTC) CJLippert ( talk) 16:01, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Where? Can you put a link that shows any information about the CNO lawsuit, or their listing of fraudulent tribes? I've looked all over the CNO site and can't find either. (Although I know David Cornsilk keeps posting them, but he also thinks even the CNO is a fraudulent government). I only know of a non-binding resolution that was passed at a joint meeting between the Eastern and CNO, but nothing about any real action being taken. I think I've asked you this before. Odestiny ( talk) 05:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
http://www.powwows.com/gathering/native-issues/42092-list-fraudulent-cherokee-chickamuagas.html http://taskforce.cherokee.org/ (CNO's page for fraudulent tribes) List of unrecognized tribes Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 05:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I am undoing your edits re state recognition of tribes for two reasons. First, whether or not they are recognized under federal law is irrelevant to their recognition by particular states. Make note of the insignificance of this recognition - but don't erase it. Second, you assert that state recognition can take place only by act of the legislature. I don't know anything about the subject area, so that may certainly be true; but it still needs to be sourced. Indeed for those of us who don't know anything about the area, it *needs* to be sourced. And - state by state, please. One state might require it by legislative act; another by gubernatorial proclamation. Thanks. JohnInDC ( talk) 18:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Chuck, you're the one editing pages to add assertions that you can't or won't source, and defending the edits with shifting, inconsistent and oftentimes incorrect claims. Not me. I don't have to source my questions! JohnInDC ( talk) 18:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing.
I acknowledge that you're only one half of the war and will be posting warnings on the Talk pages of the IP editors too, once I can figure out which ones are due it. JohnInDC ( talk) 18:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
You might want to strike and refactor part of this edit considering an apparent typo of "Mormon". The other editor in the dispute seems to have taken offense at the typo which could be misconstrued as a highly inappropriate joke about Mormonism. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 21:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Chuck. Considering the ongoing matters at the NCNOLT talk page, here and apparently elsewhere, I've filed a Wikiquette alert regarding your conduct to request outside input. I'm very concerned that your behavior is going to both drive away other editors and cause you to burn out or eventually wind up blocked for incivility, and I'm hoping this can help bring you around. —/ Mendaliv/ 2¢/ Δ's/ 19:36, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
You might want to check the recent additions to the Kituwa article when you get a chance. I'm not sure they're worthy of a serious article. Bms4880 ( talk) 20:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I have now namually copied and pasted the contents of "Mohammad Mossaddegh" (along with the contents of its corresponding talk page) to "Mohammad Mosaddegh", so as to avoid the problem arising from the existence of the Redirect page with the latter name. Should be grateful if you would kindly inspect and see whether I have transferred things properly. Kind regards, --BF 18:25, 18 December 2009 (UTC).
Please be advised that you have now reverted source information in Massacre at Ywahoo Falls three times within the last 24 hours. [1] [2] [3]. Abby Kelleyite ( talk) 19:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
from an anonymous reader, who is not really much of a wikipedia editor, I would have liked to have read that article [4]. I also thought that the angel hair article was perfect the way it was. no offense meant to anyone, but I would have read it, you see Stephen King once said "We make up horrors to deal with the real ones." If, and only If, that article was completely fictionalized, maybe it was his way of coping, with a real horror. the only other RATIONAL idea is that he was telling the complete and utter truth as he saw it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.27.52 ( talk) 16:35, 17 January 2011 (UTC) Oh and Abby, I hope I didn't get you in trouble by posting that one fringe soul to another is this [5] really important? to some of the mainstream Forteans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.216.27.52 ( talk) 16:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Although I completely agree that the article fails reliable sources, notability, etc and shouldn't be perpetuated, this seems to imply you've become too personally invested in this issues. Many other editors may see actions such as this as provocative, and it could hurt the chances of a fair outcome in the AFD. Maybe you should step back and let the AFD run its course? Regards, He iro 00:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed the one about original research, which didn't really fit, but the others all do. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 00:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Re Yehud Medinata: the Greek name was Ioudaia, from whence the Latin Iudaea. But it could be useful to extend the history into the Hellenistic period. But again, if this is done, the sections on the earlier period need to be shortened to make room. But yet again, there is some interesting material that can be used: Finkelstein questions the history in Ezra-Nehemiah on archaeological grounds (he finds no sign of a Persian-period wall as described in Nehemiah). His findings have been queried by Zevit and others and the debate is ongoing - see this page, the second item. PiCo ( talk) 01:15, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Don't disrupt Wikipedia to make a WP:POINT. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 20:34, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
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Hello Natty4bumpo/Chuck Hamilton. The 3RR report at WP:AN3#User:Natty4bumpo reported by User:SarekOfVulcan (Result: ) will benefit from a commment from you. The fact that you are continuing to revert at State recognized tribes, even after you were told that an edit-warring report is open, will probably not impress the closing admin. EdJohnston ( talk) 23:17, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Blocked 24h for edit warring per Sarek's report; I see the pattern exists at Southern Cherokee Nation of Kentucky and probably elsewhere. Revert once, and then discuss, is the wise path. -- Spike Wilbury ( talk) 02:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I've reverted your quite dramatic edits to this article rather than tagging each addition requiring citations because there also appears to be an element of original research. Please feel free to dispute this at the relevant Talk Page. RashersTierney ( talk) 01:34, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that Rashers has pointed out that Michael Collins (Irish leader) could fall under the Troubles 1RR restriction, I think it would be wise to restrict yourself there, regardless of whether it's been formally tagged. The relevant arbitration case was quite clear that any articles related to Irish nationalism were covered. -- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 21:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Wow Chuck - I was persuaded in your treatment of that article that you are a commited afficianado of Native American interests. Above I discover you seek to speak for Irish Republicans like myself also. It seems there is no limit to your knowledge or presumption. Mark Dask 18:04, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
If you are finished editing this article I will now format the references. Do please let me know. Mark Dask 19:13, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
You say that none of the facts in the "Early life" section are in dispute, but ideally every fact in an article should be cited to a reliable source. This doesn't have to mean a plethora of footnotes; at the minimum it should be one per paragraph, though. I was assessing Stand Watie for inclusion in Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/June 25, but was not able to use it because of the lack of citations there (and as it turns out, June 25 is not a related date anyway). Thanks. howcheng { chat} 22:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use violate WP:ERA, as you did at Phoenicia, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. VMS Mosaic ( talk) 08:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
If you have a valid reason that complies with WP:NPOV to convert the date format of Phoenicia, please explain it on the article talk page (as required by) WP:ERA instead of continuing to change the format without a reason appropriate under WP:ERA. It appears that your current reason is very POV of a religious nature. Also please see WP:AGF before accusing someone else of bad faith; I am doing nothing more than maintaining the current date format per WP:MOS. VMS Mosaic ( talk)
Your recent editing history at Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.
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Do not insert your original research at Natural-born-citizen clause of the U.S. Constitution. Like all Wikipedia editors, you are unqualified to decide if a modern law about citizenship affects who is eligible to serve as president. I have reverted your original research. Jc3s5h ( talk) 14:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Natural-born-citizen_clause_of_the_U.S._Constitution shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule, or that you may have already broken it. An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Breaking the three-revert rule often leads to a block.
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"Citizen by birth" and "natural born citizenship" are the same thing. The two terms are used interchangeably in laws and court rulings. Chuck Hamilton ( talk) 22:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
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Alright. Given your retraction of the above legal threats, and your promise to stay away from any conflicts or disputes in the future, I'll unblock you. All of your privileges are re-instated, but please note that you are on unsteady ground - any further disruption and the next block will be permanent. Disruption means: removing content without discussion, reverting other editors, personally attacking them, and all the other behaviours listed at WP:DISRUPT. If you need anything else, or would like to ask questions, let me know. Best of luck, m.o.p 20:47, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Mighty work on the above, especially the inclusion of a map. However!
I'd be weary of the sources cited, as they are are second or third hand accounts. Mac Fhirbhisigh, which I used in the original article, was both a professional genealogist and a Gaeilgeoir, so his work should be given primacy.
Is mise, Fergananim ( talk) 13:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
The portrait itself is actually in the Gilcrease Museum in Oklahoma. If you read the Smithsonian link a little further, you'll see that what they have in their collection is an "8x10 black and white photograph" of the picture. I think the caption should at least reflect the right museum, but most importantly, the caption shouldn't indicate that the picture is actually Standing Turkey. See my discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America#Issues with Anglo-Cherokee War-era Cherokee leaders for the discussion I'm currently having about reorganization, because the whole Oconostota- Standing Turkey- Kanagatucko- Principal Chiefs of the Cherokee#Early leaders line of articles is rotten with confusion and conflated personalities. Cdtew ( talk) 19:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I've tagged this for NPOV - this and the day articles need to reflect the fact that there is no definitive single date for 12th night. Dougweller ( talk) 19:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
You previously discussed the title of Chickamauga Wars (1776–94) on that article's talk page. There is a move request discussion on the issue at Talk:Chickamauga Wars (1776–94) if you care to participate. — AjaxSmack 03:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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Chuck, I am mystified by your attachment to the "savage Napoleon" label for Dragging Canoe, which you insist on keeping as a subsection title in Cherokee-American wars. You call it a "compliment." When is it a compliment to call someone "savage," especially an American Indian?
You also state that "several sources" use that term. Quoted material in Wikipedia should always be backed by a reliable source; otherwise it is subject to being removed. Kindly provide your sources.
Finally, you said that "this is just the title of a section." Are you suggesting that we take less care about the content of section titles than about the content of the rest of the article? Does large, bold-face type suggest to you that the text is less important?
Please review WP:5P. It would clear up a number of misconceptions that you appear to hold and that make it difficult to collaborate with you. If you object to collaboration, then you are in the wrong place. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 22:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted the subhead again, pending a source. I want to remind you of the three-revert rule which places a limit on how many times one may revert an edit within 24 hours. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 22:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the thank-yous. I appreciate it. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 16:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm curious what you meant by this edit summary. Were you referring to John Devoy's Recollections of an Irish Rebel? Because I have now read that book, and it only goes up to August 1916, so it couldn't be a source for the dissolution of the IRB in 1924. It's not really wise to edit an article if you don't have the information to hand. I see you said back in 2009, "I'm old school about footnotes, that they should only be used if there's an actual quote, paraphrase, or info that could have come only from that one source." I would have hoped that after five years you would have accepted that what school you belong to doesn't matter, Wikipedia policy requires facts to be verifiable against reliable sources. And before you say "but nobody disputes it was dissolved in 1924", take a look at this edit made a few months ago in good faith based on reports that appeared in two national newspapers. Scolaire ( talk) 21:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Please read WP:BURDEN. If you want to add material then it's up to you to add appropriate references, not anyone else. That's especially true on a featured article. -- NeilN talk to me 22:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Please stop adding information against consensus to a Featured article. Have a look at WP:EDITWAR and refrain from reinstating the text without first gaining consensus, or you could be blocked. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:07, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Asperger syndrome shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
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Please stop this. There is clear disagreement as to the date. Isn't that obvious? Or are you saying the Oxford Dictionary's statement it is the 6th (while giving the 5th as well), is immaterial, as are other sources that date it to the 6th? If you disagree, take it to WP:RSN or NPOVN Dougweller ( talk) 17:44, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Seven years ago on the Kanagatucko talk page you shot down a user comment from '08 which pointed out that Kanagatucko is probably not the most accurate name for Cherokee leader Old Hop. I believe they are correct within the scope of modern scholarship. In addition to the sources they have provided, I can provide you with many other sources which give Old Hops given name as "Connecorte", including Dowd, Kelton, Oliphant, Tortora, Hatley, and Starr (the latter being Cherokee himself). This is also the name accepted by the National Park Service and North Carolina's wiki-like NCPedia. I personally have just spent the last semester writing my graduate term paper on the period of Old Hop's period of prominence in the 1750s prior to his death. Perhaps most persuasive of all, I have a primary source document to support my claim. In McDowell's oft-quoted Documents Relating to Indian Affairs, 1750-1754, the various Head Men of the Upper Cherokees wrote to Governor Glen and began their letter with this statement: “Connacrote [sic] the Head Man of Chote speaks for all” (on page 486). This Head Man of Chota as you know can be none other than Old Hop, and in addition, the letter is signed with Old Hop's mark. I hope you will reconsider your position in light of this evidence, and help me with the process to rename the page. I would like very much to contribute with my findings once it is corrected. Omniferous ( talk) 10:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
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