Hi, MonctonRad, Welcome to Wikipedia!

- Trevor MacInnis ( Talk | Contribs) 19:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I was the one who added the German notation, and I did it for a reason - see talk. Myrtone:-(

Hi. Please consider expanding upon details in the "daughter" articles, such as Military history of Canada, or Geography of Canada, as Canada is already too long. Thanks. Jkelly 01:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey MonctonRad! I notice we are the most common editors of the Moncton page, now I recently asked for the page to be reviewed again by the "WikiProject:Canada" people, and they told me this: "Way too many bulleted lists and too little prose to be anything above B-Class". Now personally I dont think the lists look bad, as I said on the Moncton talk page I like them, but I really want this article to be rated higher than "B" and eventually I would like it to be a "Good Article" as Wikipedia sees it. Unfortunatley for us that may mean signifagant changes to the page. Perhaps I was going about it the wrong way, but that was the only thing I could think of doing to keep the lists but have less lists on the main page. If you have some ideas please feel free to leave a note on my user page :) I wont make any changes of that nature til we discuss this further. have a good one! Stu pendousmat 00:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Glad to hear from you! dont worry about the wording changing, I in fact enjoy that because I usually just do quick edits and dont think the wording over very much (up until today I was doing all my edits from work in the minute breaks or so between calls I get (call center lol)). I just do them to improve the information a bit, and I in fact really look forward to someone improving the wording lol.

I agree about the lists, personally I like them as I said (I mean I started many of them lol) and the changes I made were probably too much...oh well. However I do agree about the "Famous Monctonians" page, this is a huge list and it should be its own page. Even the Fredericton page has that section on its own page, and thats saying a lot because that page needs a lot of work (I just started going over it a bit yesterday and fixing some stuff).

anyways, Ill probably make that its own page sometime today and write a little blurb, which will probably suck, so feel free to fix it for me :D lol...talk to ya later!

Stu pendousmat 17:52, 15 June 2007 (UTC) reply

PS: your discussion page is impossible to read without selecting the text lol

Stu pendousmat 17:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, you are right about the economy positioning, I just thought it deserved a higher spot than attractions lol. PS thanks for changing the colors, much easier on the eyes :D

Stu pendousmat 01:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC) reply

No problem, as I said in my edit description I can back up everything that was said with reliable references, but I dont see the point of having 500 links imbedded in the article. Stu pendousmat 21:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Random 5am ramble...just to let you know I am somehow obsessed with editing the Moncton page lol, most of my friends are obsessed with Facebook and think my wiki editing is boring, oh well, I just looked at what this aritcle looked like just a few months ago and the changes we have made are unreal! looks a million times better. However I still think there needs to be continued renewal to finally get this article the much deserved "Good Article" and possibly someday "Featured Article" status. I was just looking at the Saint John page and like no signifigant edits have been made in forever (I havent been over there much since my "biggest city" battle...on that note who really cares about how many people live within those invisible lines...I mean if Monctons city limits were as massive as Saint Johns we would have 100,000 people in them lol, Oh well hopefully come 2011 we will be able to officially claim that title (we already have largest CMA, Urban Area, and Economic Region lol))...anyways Im talking for no reason now, just bored I guess lol, by the way good job on the Military section, its good stuff. Ill try to get a good pic of the base and add it in there (maybe with the tank and stuff lol). Also have you checked out my List of tallest buildings in Moncton lately? Ive changed some stuff and now I have a picture for every building up. Im pretty sure the Economy section fight is over now lol, I added in a billion references, now we need to make them look like they belong. anyways, just thought Id go over some recent stuff to get on the same page here, dont mean to take over your talk page with rambling or anything, meh not like Wiki is running out of server space lol. Take care! Stu pendousmat 08:13, 19 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey man, thanks for the reply, I appriciate the good reviews :) As far as the catchment area goes I know we have the largest by far..within 2 1/2 hour drive you have HRM, SJ, Freddy, and all of PEI lol, whereas Hali has moncton and much of NS (All of NS is only 950,000 and they cant reach all of in in 2 1/2 hours)...so obviously we have this on in the bag haha. but unfourtnatley I cant find a good article that explains this online I mean I could make a little diagram in Photoshop that explains it with all the 2006 populations on it...but besides that I dont know...if you have any ideas let me know, but I dont mind making up a diagram if thats the best method (I love photoshop haha).

As far as the featured article stuff goes, I think we still need to wor out the ammount of lists in the article first...I was doing some reading up on Wikis policy on those sorts of things and they are very much looked down upon (unless it is a prose style list (kinda like our education one)(but not like the golf courses one)) So I dont know how we should approach fixing that but it def. needs to be addresed before we get the much deserved "Featured Article" status. But as you said making the lists thier own pages is not the best solution.

PS: I do have a reference already on there that lists the catchment population [1] but a sceptic would probably think an article made by downtown moncton is not good enough...

Stu pendousmat 21:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

PPS: just wanted to let you know I made a little table thing on my talk page that lists all the populations for moncton for the past 15 years. I was wondering if you could look it over and let me know if it is "Article worthy" lol you can tinker with the layout if you want, I got all the info from StatsCan so its all verifyable.

Stu pendousmat 23:25, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I fixed the table, I might try to add it in tonight, maybe not (its like 4:25am lol) but if not you can go ahead and do it later if you want. Just need to find a new spot for my sunset pic maybe. As far as the golf course thing goes I completely agree, its not really necessary to have the list, we can just explain about them a bit and mention how many and stuff, should suffice while bringing down the ammount of lists. About the climate table, I have seen most cities have this, I find they sometimes look ugly, but that might just be me, if you want to put one in I dont mind, Id even make it if you dont have the time lol (this is all I do while at work between calls). By the way my name is Matt (STU is the university I go to lol) just so you know. Take care :)

Stu pendousmat 07:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Good job with the table and golf section, looks good. I changed the picture to a wider one which fills more of the void. I also added in a pic of George Dumont and Rogers downtown. I think we have almost maxed out the ammount of pics necessary in the article. If you feel its too cluttered or something let me know.

Stu pendousmat 00:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey buddy, I just spent the past couple of hours scouring the net to create the current "sports teams" table...hope you like it, feel free to play around with it all you want (I noticed you recently added in the most recent accomplishments of the teams)

PS I found out that both male and female teams of UdeM are called the "Aigles Bleus" (they merged the names a couple years back)

Stu pendousmat 02:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello again, I was just over at the Thunder Bay, ON article looking at some stuff. They recently went through the Good Article review process, and the editor who looked at the article said some things Ive been thinking need to be improoved on the Moncton page before we attempt to do the same (they failed because some stuff didnt happen). I just picked three that apply to this article (there were like 10 on the actual list, but we have all that stuff done already) heres the quotes:

1. "The use of lists should be minimised in non-list articles. The lists in the Culture, Print Media and Post-Secondary Institutions sections could be replaced by prose."

For us we need to work on the "attractions" section(I was also thinking we could maybe rename this section Tourism), the "Education" section and perhaps the "Government" section...however I really like the way it looks with that picture lol.

2. "It might be better to give the Broadcast Media list its own article."

I think we need to do the same, its one of the last lists on the page that is a "non-descriptive" type.

3. "Every fact in the article needs to be able to be verified by readers. Most paragraphs in the article will need at least one inline citation."

This is a biggie for us...almost about 90% of the article is un-sourced, and that is a big no-no on wiki. Of course me and you know all of it is true, but as Crossmr pointed out to us, the casual reader has no idea, and I know we would be blasted on this if someone reviewed us. I dont mind getting references for stuff personally, its just kind of annoying when I know its all true already lol Stu pendousmat 06:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Just for reference here are the criteria for a "Good Article" We have everything here except the references, stability (but this will imporve once we get the article to where it needs to be), and we are strugaling with the prose thing a bit.

- "It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
- It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
- It is stable.
- It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:"

Anyways, I think Ive done enough browsing and filling up your userpage for one night haha, message me back with your thoughts on all this. Take care! :D

Stu pendousmat 07:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello again, I just put some more references and links in the article and changed the "Culture" section to "Arts and Culture" if you dissagree feel free to change it back...I just felt it was a more descriptive title. The media section should be ok to stay, but I think we should at least add in some more prose above the 2 sentences currently there. As far as stability goes I think that once we get it to where we want it and dont see any major changes needed we should immediatley take it to the good article review, because if they look it over and see stuff they dont like we can always fix it and try again. Also when they review it and they dont like certain things you have 11 days to fix it before they fail the article, and Im sure we could fix anything in 11 days, we could probably re-write the entire thing in that ammount of time lol. Talk to ya later!

Stu pendousmat 00:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Looks good to me! tweak if you want but that is exactly what I was looking for :D

Stu pendousmat 05:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Well there are a number of issues. A lot of subjective text, a lot of unsourced opinions, etc. I'll give you some examples, The educational and health care sectors are major factors in the local economy obvious to someone who lives or has lived there, not so much if you're from Australia and never heard of the place. This is a subjective descriptions and requires citation and explanation. the underpinnings of the local economy remain based on Moncton's commercial, distribution, transportation and retailing heritage. Again, source? This is the largest catchment area in Atlantic Canada (there are only 800,000 people within three hours of Halifax). This is an article about Moncton, why is it relevant how many people live within 3 hours of Halifax? Despite the longstanding rivalry between Moncton and Halifax What rivalry? Source? explanation? A number of regionally prominent corporations have their head offices in Moncton including 1 is a number. Lets be more specific. Is this is a significant number? If not, why mention it? There are a number of major call centres in the city including again, same as before, is this significant amount? What is the exact amount? A burgeoning high tech sector includes companies burgeoning is subjective, can we get a reliable source describing it as such? Hub Meat Packers is a major employer in the city major? By who's account? Provide numbers and citation. Molson/Coors Breweries is nearing completion of a new brewery Give a date (expected), nearing is imprecise. The retail sector in Moncton is increasingly becoming one of the most important aspects of the local economy this is opinion. Provide a reliable source. there are more, but that should give you an idea of what the problems are. Its written using weasel words and other vague statements to make the economy up to be something it may or may not be, but is unverifiable to anyone not familiar with with the area. It currently casts the economy quite positively, yet is completely unverifiable, hence its not neutral.-- Crossmr 21:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC) reply

No. You haven't provided a single citation, hence its not satisfactory. Please read WP:V. None of the items I have brought up have had an appropriate citation provided so that any editor can independently verify it. Your assertion about your personal experience falls under WP:OR. Unless you can demonstrate that you're a verifiable subject matter expert or a professional researcher in the field of economics (who has been published in reliable publications) it doesn't count as verification. Nothing personal, that is the way the policies and guidelines go on wikipedia. You answered my question quite easily with Can I give you precise stats - no. If you can't do that, then the material can't remain. Under WP:V The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material.. If items are widely known in the local media provide citations. The Times and Transcript is online, as the biggest local media if this is widely known citations should be readily available [2]. (3 & 4) Again, provide a citation. Joe Schmoe in Texas who has never heard of Moncton isn't intimately familiar with what the local media says or what happens in the chamber of commerce. This article is written for him, not someone who has lived in Moncton for 20 years and is familiar with all the nuances. Keep that in mind when writing. (5 & 6) Like I said, get specific. If what you've listed is all their is, then say the following companies have call centers/head offices in this area. An ambiguous term like "a number" doesn't convey the truth of the situation. (7) Its opinion, and unless you can source a journalist having described the sector as that, it doesn't belong there. (8) Again..citation... you know that, I know that. Hans from Germany doesn't know that, nor can he easily verify it on his own. However you've just said Hub employs over 500 and is a major part of the city, yet you also just said several call centers have over 500 employees. It would seem that 1 company with 500 employees in the midst of several others is no longer such a major player, also when compared to the fact that the health and education sectors are also so large. (9) Then say the expected date is Summer 2007, it becomes much more specific without the need to use a term like "nearing", "soon", "recent", etc. A citation should be added as well. (10) If you live there or near it you know this. But once again the article isn't written for someone living there. There might be 1.4 million people within a 3 hour drive, but 6 billion people aren't. All of whom have an equal chance to read this encyclopedia. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth While what you've written may be factually correct, minus the opinions, unless it can be sourced it can't be included. These are not obvious facts to anyone who isn't familiar with Moncton. If we draw information from our personal experiences, whether it is true or not, if we cannot provide that independent verification we can't put it in articles here.-- Crossmr 23:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Requiring that contributions conform to established policies and guidelines is neither picky nor an unnecessary burden. All articles and all content in them are required to meet these policies and guidelines. No one gets a pass because they're positive they're factually correct. Imagine the scenario 6 months from now and you're no longer editing. Someone posts on the talk page "Do moncton and Halifax really have that kind of rivalry going?" The response? "Yeah, this guy was here like 6 months ago.. monctonrad was his name, he put it in there, he was really sure about it. No idea where he got it, but he sounded sure, so it must be true". This is why wikipedia requires citation from reliable sources. Perhaps everything you wrote in there is completely factually true, but neither myself or any other editor could ever be sure. Each individual statement doesn't have to be sourced if at the least some news articles, and other data from reliable sources can be provided (like the Moncton Chamber of Commerce) that would cover the details. An even more likely scenario, what happens if had added that material and left and I challenged it? What if someone else wanted to defend it to keep it in the article? Its a lot easier to do that if sources are provided. Otherwise the answer from any other editor would be "Geeze, I have no idea where he pulled that information from, I think its right, but I can't prove it. Rewrite/remove it if you want.". The material has to be able to stand independent of who wrote it.-- Crossmr 04:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey bud, another guy just made and inserted a climate table so you dont have to worry about it :) lol, it might be for the best because the kind of table you are working on is the kind I really dont like, wayy too big and cumbersome looking I find, the one he inserted is smaller, and more manageable (also easier to update in the years to come, as Im sure you know lol). If you want to finish it maybe we could write a new seperate longer page about Climate in the area and insert it there, just an idea. Sorry that you had to do all that work, I suppose if you reallllyyy wanted you could replace the current table with that one lol, its up to you, I just like the smaller one better personally. Talk to ya later! Stu pendousmat 21:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, yeah if you want to put the table in thats fine, you are probably right about it looking more professional and whatnot :), concerning the Mountain Rd pic I completely agree, I had just been waiting to remove it untill I took a better picture to replace it lol, but Ill remove it now. Idealy I will take a nice picture of Mountain rd and a good picture of the Ocean pulling into the Moncton Via station (or maybe just the station itself, not sure yet) to complete the pictures in that section. (then we will have one for urban transit, urban roads, rail, and air). Have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 01:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello again, just checking up. Im sure you noticed the recent changes I made regarding the top of the page, I edited the cheap looking location picture and made it fancy looking lol (I copied the style from the Vancouver location picture, but I did them 1 up by making it have a transparent backround (which can only be properly viewed in IE Explorer 7 as I found out today lol)). I also changed the skyline pic to better show off the city (the other one was too small) This decision came from my viewing of all the city pages listed as featured articles, a larger picture is the norm with these articles. I also removed the picture I added in a while back as it no longer seemed necessary. The climate table has grown on me and I think this one is the correct one for the article, thanks again for making it :). The biggest issue in my mind at this point in time is the Tourism section. It needs to be re-written in a prose style, as we have already agreed on, you had said that you would do so yourself, and I was just wondering the status of that (no pressure, I just want to know if you are still feeling up to it, because if not I dont mind doing it at all). Either way I am very excited for the article as it now is starting to feel close to the nomination point. On that note there is another Wiki project called WIKI:CITIES which should be listed on the discussion page, so I will be nominating it on thier page as well. Anyways, hope all is well, and I'll talk to you later!

Stu pendousmat 01:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey...yeah, I dont mind the shuffle looks better that way :). Hope you like the new pics, The UdeM one is the older one except cropped and I also edited out the pole lol, if you look closely at it you can probably kinda see where it was though. I got the wheeler blvd pic from a buddy on Facebook. As far as the rail pic a guy, late last night (3am our time approx), removed the other one on the grounds that it was a non-free image, so I just found the next best free image.

Stu pendousmat 00:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Historically, the origins of the tourism industry in Moncton can be traced to the presence of two natural attractions, the tidal bore of the Petitcodiac River and the optical illusion of Magnetic Hill.

The Petitcodiac River exhibits one of North America's few tidal bores, a regularly occurring wave that travels up the river on the leading edge of the incoming tide, and hence a tidal wave in the truest sense of the term. The bore is caused by the extreme tides of the Bay of Fundy. Originally, the bore could be quite impressive, sometimes nearing two metres in height and extending across the kilometre width of the Petitcodiac River in the Moncton area. The wave would occur twice a day at the incoming of the high tide, travelling at an average speed of 13 km/hr and could generate quite an audible roar. Seagulls would flock to the river at the coming of the tide in order to feed. It could be quite a sight and not surprisingly, a local tourism industry sprang up around the spectacle.

In 1968, a causeway was built across the Petitcodiac to Riverview, just upstream from downtown Moncton. The river channel quickly silted in due to the high sediment burden in the water column. The river channel at the bend is now no more than 100 metres wide and the bore rarely exceeds 15-20 cm in height. Not surprisingly, the "bore" is now an object of some derision and is not nearly the tourism generator it once was. Still, seeing the arrival of the bore remains an educational experience and Bore View Park and the adjacent Riverfront Trail provide a pleasant distraction.

Magnetic Hill is located on the northwestern outskirts of Moncton and is now the city's most famous attraction. It is a gravity hill form of optical illusion, where the local topography causes the illusion that you are travelling uphill when in fact you are going downhill. In the early 1930's, it was discovered that on a particular stretch of road at the foot of the hill that if you put your car in neutral gear, you would seem to coast uphill. Before long, a tourism industry sprang up around the phenomenon.

The "Magnetic Hill Illusion" remains a popular tourism draw and the city and province have built a major tourism development on the surrounding properties. Components include:

• Magnetic Hill Zoo - A nationally recognized zoo with over 400 animals which are displayed in themed exhibit areas. It is the largest zoo in Atlantic Canada and features a large gift shop, animal shows and an educational program.
• Magic Mountain Water Park - The largest water park in Atlantic Canada, with a half dozen large water slides, lazy river, wave pool, children's splash pool and 36 hole professional mini-golf course.
• Magnetic Hill outdoor concert site - The largest outdoor concert venue in eastern Canada. It was constructed in 1984 for Pope John Paul II to hold a papal mass during his tour of Canada. In the 1990's, the city redeveloped the site to become an outdoor concert facility. The city now holds one or two megaconcerts at the facility every year. The Rolling Stones held a concert there on 3 September 2005 in front of 85,000 fans. Tim McGraw and Faith Hill will be playing there in 2007.
• Wharf Village - A collection of souvenir shops and restaurants.
• Magnetic Hill Miniature Railway.

Moncton's central location and large catchment area has allowed retail tourism to be very important to the local economy. The Eaton's catalogue warehouse and store was the original destination for out of town shoppers but gradually, retail development on Main Street and later the construction of the downtown Highfield Square shopping centre allowed for increasing choice for out of town consumers. The major destinations for shoppers currently are the Wheeler Park Power Centre in the northwestern part of the city and Champlain Place in Dieppe, which, at 816,000 sq ft and with over 160 stores and services, is the second largest shopping mall in Atlantic Canada. Also, New Brunswick's only Bay department store is located in Highfield Square.

Crystal Palace, an indoor amusement park with a dozen rides including a rollercoaster and a Tivoli swing was built adjacent to Champlain Place in 1990 to take advantage of the traffic generated by the mall. The facility also includes a hotel, conference centre, restaurant, eight cinema multiplex and a Chapters bookstore/ Starbucks Cafe. It is a popular family destination, especially in the summer and at March Break.

Moncton is well situated as a regional tourism destination. There are two major national parks ( Fundy National Park and Kouchibouguac National Park) within a one hour drive of the city. The warmest salt water beaches north of Virginia can be found on the Northumberland Strait, only 15 minutes away at Parlee Beach in nearby Shediac. New Brunswick's signature natural attraction (the Hopewell Rocks) are only a half hour's drive down the Petitcodiac river valley. The Confederation Bridge to Prince Edward Island is only an hour's drive east of the city.

Other nearby attractions (within 30-60 minutes of the city) include:

• Cape Jourimain National Wildlife Preserve (at the base of the Confederation Bridge)
• La Dune de Bouctouche Irving Eco-Centre (ecotourism site, beach, longest remaining unspoiled barrier dune system on the eastern seaboard (twelve kilometers))
• Cape Enrage (historic lighthouse, fossils and adventure tourism)
• Le Pays de la Sagouine (Acadian cultural theme park).
• Fort Beausejour (National Historic Park) located in Aulac, New Brunswick.
• Sackville Waterfowl Park (nature trails & boardwalk over freshwater marsh, waterfowl viewing platforms).

Looks very good! thanks a bunch. The only thing I thought was kinda weird was the apparent negativity in the Tidal bore section, but then I realized that it is the tidal bore and it sucks hahaha. Besides that it looks really good, might be a little long Im not sure. I removed the "local tourism" title because it kinda seemed redundant (its an article about moncton, people are going to expect it to be about local tourism) but then the regional tourism is an added section, hope you dont mind :). Anyways, I gotta go, Im finally off for the weekend! :D on my way down to Docs, Ill talk to you later bud.

Stu pendousmat 03:23, 30 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I completely agree, I just added in probably the last picture needed (I still might take a better UdeM one sometime, and perhaps a nice winter picture for the climate section) but besides that I think we are good to go. My only problem that I see is perhaps the media section, but if they dont like it we could fix that quickly I think. As far as vandalism goes it is not really that bad I dont find, sometimes we get the odd SJer or Halifaxer messing up a sentence or two, but either you or me checks up all the time and fixes it quickly. I would not say that would be cause for not getting "Good Article" status. So, if you have nothing further I say we nominate! I can do it today, just let me know if you agree. Talk to ya later.

Stu pendousmat 17:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Its nominated now. lets hope for the best! :) Im excited lol. later.

Stu pendousmat 22:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello, the article might take a while to be reviewed lol, there is a backlog on them, but hopefully in the next week I would expect. I recently spent a few hours making a Moncton photo gallery I linked it the the page at the bottom, however if you can think of a better way of adding it in please do so :). Hope you enjoyed Canada Day!

Stu pendousmat 06:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC) reply

hey bud, thanks for the good review of the pictures :) I have a million photos of Moncton lol. I just undid your move of the aerial photo, I assume you edit in a lower resolution than me as in my res. that made it look really bad lol. Where I put it is a compromise between the two, it just intrudes slightly into the climate section in lower resolution, this is fine as this is normal practice in many articles (including featured ones) kinda gives it a nice transitional look too I think. Hope you dint mind! Im just going over the article now and adding in as many references as I can come up with (Wikipedia likes that, some featured articles have upwards of 150 references). I just dont want that to be a factor that would make us fail the GA nomination. Have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 19:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

hello, me again lol I just went over and tried to make some of the lists in the article less "list like" as I know this is going to be a problem the reviewer will bring up. I have a feeling they will say the Education section needs to be re-written in prose (like we did with the tourism section). I also have a terrible feeling they will say the History section needs the same treatment, however after looking at countless city articles (to get ideas) I have figured out a few things: 1. lists are the devil, use them sparingly. 2.Layout is important, the article needs to look good as well as be imformative. 3. Sub-pages are necessary, we have kinda got this going, but we may need to make more, not sure yet. 4. references are king, everything that is not commonly known by the general public needs a reference. Now due to all these discoveries Im pretty positive the article will fail GA in its current state. I hate to say it but we still have a lot of work to do lol. I think we should let it go through the process so we can get a 3rd party opinion, and if we fail we will just have to put a few more hours in to bring it up to par. I hope nothing I have done recently has made the article worse in your eyes. Talk to ya later

Stu pendousmat 07:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, I added in some more references...however I think it still might need more lol, but Ive done enough for tonight. Im hoping a reviewer will go over the article soon...I think a re-write of the history section may be necessary, but I feel a nice prose summary would do more for the article than the current list (Ive learned a lot since I made the list originally lol). We could also replace the generic images with actual historical images of Moncton (I have a few to upload). I feel the same about the education section, however Ive been looking over lots of articles and I have a feeling the reviewer will say it needs to be re-vamped :( . Anyways, hope you enjoyed the weekend...I saw the airshow today (sunday) it was really cool except for the part where I got really soaked afterward haha. Talk to ya later.

Stu pendousmat 06:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello, I just changed the layout of the Demographics section, for some reason I never really liked the way it looked. If you dont like it feel free to change it. Later!

PS: the article is getting quite large (this is partly due to the references, but those are necessary) when I nominated it for GA it was 73kb, now its 81kb lol. This is only another reason that may cause the eventual reduction in size of the History and Education sections. We also may need to make some cuts on less important info (dunno what though lol).

Stu pendousmat 07:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello again...I agree with you about the fact that we need to wait for the review to decide what to do, however I have a strong urge to get this article to GA status, and hopefully FA status eventually. It may seem like the article is as good as it can get, but I guarantee we still have a ways to go to get it up to the "near perfect" standard of a featured article. However I very much enjoy improoving upon the article and dont mind spending the countless hours of time it may take to do so (I have a life...I swear hahaha). Anyways, hopefully someone will review it soon...Ive been keeping track of the list of GA articles currently noiminated, and Moncton is soon to enter into the top 10 list of articles on there the longest lol, I guess nobody wants to review an article as long as it is. Oh well...have a good one, talk to ya later.

Stu pendousmat 22:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello...bad news today...unfortunately we failed the GA nomiation. there are a few problems, thankfully it shouldnt take too much time to fix. I will now suggest a way that we can break up the work semi-evenly so as to make it faster/less conflicting.

• YOU
  • Lead section re-write (must include brief section for each main section in the article ie: History, Economy, Tourism...)
  • History section needs complete re-write in prose. (just needs to be a summary of the main article, prob about 1/4 or less the size of it). If you could do that I can upload some nice historical pics of Moncton and add them in...make it look real nice :)

• ME
  • References: I have recently been adding in lots of these but apparently we are still wayyyy short, so I will go over the sections that need them and add more in (ie: Military, History, Climate, the Lead, Transportation etc.)
  • Map: this is one thing that surprised me, he said the map was "hard to read" so I will do it over and make it less "blurry" but still nice hopefully :)
  • External links: this is also something that cought me off gaurd lol...no external links allowed in the article. My quick solution is I will go over all of them and make a stub article on wiki about each (we can make them better later).

there are a few other things here and there that are 2 second fixes (ie: fix a little section in Economy) but besides that we should be alright. If you have any objections to this let me know (I dont mind doing more of the work if you are too busy) Its just you are better at the actual writing of sections than me (what with the med school paper experience and all) so I figured it would end up better if you did the main prose writing stuff. Anyways, there is no rush, we have lots of time to bring it up to par :)

Take care,

Stu pendousmat 18:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Exactly right, just a summarization (sp) would be perfect, see Vancouver (a featured article) for reference. They have a long article for the main history article and a summarization of it on the main city page which includes a couple of historical pics of the city...this is pretty standard procedure. We could also cut and paste the current list to the bottom of the main history article. I just went through 1/2 the imbedded links and made them thier own article or made them bold if they didnt warrant an article, Im done work as of now (12:15) and will cease editing for now...But Ill be on later hopefully and finish the job...Hope this isnt too much of a work load or anything, I really appriciate all the work you have done and will continue to do you might as well own this article as far as Im concerned as you have done the majority of work on it over the years. I hope you dont feel like Im stealing it from you or anything because that is not at all what Im trying to do...I would really just like to see the article become the best it can be. Again thanks for all the help and Ill talk to you later!

PS: If you want to add in some more info to the articles I made today please feel free :D

Stu pendousmat 03:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Glad to hear it :) I made a few versions of the possible new map picture for the infobox...since the other one was too blurry lol. Here they are:

Let me know which you like best...or if you think there is room for improvement let me know and Ill work on it some more :) anyways, have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 07:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply

hahaha, so I did...oh well. Ill fix it up a bit later and post it to the article...the lines are not all straight because I was just doing it quickly to get a feeling of what it would look like. So Ill go over that version today and make the lines that should be straight straight...and I also missed a bit of the shading up by the little islands in the north east, Ill fix that too. Talk to ya later

Stu pendousmat 15:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Lookin good! Its still a little too long for my taste (for example Vancouvers history section is quite smaller, as are the majority of these type sections in featured article citys. However after reading it all over I realize there is really not much you can cut out...perhaps removing the titles would help (again Vancouver, and other feat. article cities just have it as a non seperated blob of text) it might make it look a lot smaller. Im gonna need to find a lot of references for this info which might be hard as there are not really any reliable sources online with a good history of moncton. Ill add the pics in later on...we might need to wait more than a day to get this section properly referenced and all. Anyways, very good work all around, Im very happy :D

Stu pendousmat 03:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply

There, I added in some pictures...I think it looks good like that...let me know what you think :) I even got a pic of the ICR depot lol, beautiful building. i do have a different picture of it in B&W, but I liked this one more personally, its a cool angle. If you want to make any changes feel free...Ill add references in later, Im going to St. George NB with my girlfriend tomorrow all day so I wont be able to do it then. If you like how it is feel free to put it in the article and cut and paste the timeline into the main history article. have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 06:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello, Well I went to the Alexisonfire concert yesterday at the O2...lets just say my neck is so sore from headbanging I can hardly move it now hahaha. good times. Anyways, I really like the way the history section turned out, looks much better and adds a lot more to the article I feel. I dont know if you saw but I made a list of some companies headquartered in Moncton and also made a couple articles about them such as Co-op Atlantic and Major Drilling Group International. I made it just as a little add on for the Economy section. Right now Im just focussed on getting a ton of references for everything, which is proving to be difficult in some areas...but hopefully we will manage. I was wondering...where did you get all the info for the Military section, I havnt really tried to find anything yet, but if you have a good source let me know (we can cite books too). So besides the referencing the only thing left to do is the Lead section re-write. So we are almost done! :D Once those two things are done up to a satisfactory level I will re-nominate, hopefully with better results! have a good one :)

Stu pendousmat 05:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello again,

Thanks a lot for finding that reference...its a goldmine of information :D at first I was wary of using it because its on geosites...but then I saw that he backed up all the info with reliable references! no one can argue with that. So that section is all referenced now...the history section has plenty of refs, as well as the transportation and culture. Tourism still needs a few more...and Ill prob add a couple more here and there just to make it look better. So after that the only thing is the lead...and you have that under control...your plan sounds perfect as far as I can see...the main thing is to keep it short and concise (sp), we dont want to repeat the entire article, but we do want a good intro to the topics discussed. So things are progressing perfectly... and as far as I can tell we could be able to renominate as soon as monday! Talk to ya later.

Stu pendousmat 23:23, 20 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Aboriginal Period

The original indigenous inhabitants of the Petitcodiac river valley were the Mi'kmaq. Moncton is situated at the southern end of a traditional native portage route between the Petitcodiac River and Shediac Bay on the nearby Northumberland Strait.

Acadian Era

The head of the Bay of Fundy was first settled by French Acadians in the 1670's. ^[1] The first reference to the "Petcoucoyer River" was on the De Meulles map of 1686. ^[1] Settlement of the Petitcodiac and Memramcook river valleys began about 1700, gradually extending inland and reaching the site of present day Moncton in 1733. The first Acadian settlers in the Moncton area established a marshland farming community and chose to name their settlement Le Coude (The Elbow) in reference to the sharp bend of the Petitcodiac River.

In 1755, Fort Beausejour in nearby Aulac was captured by English forces under the command of Lt. Col. Robert Monckton. ^[2] The Petitcodiac and Memramcook river valleys subsequently fell under English occupation. Later that year, Governor Charles Lawrence issued a decree ordering the expulsion of the Acadian population from Nova Scotia. The population of Le Coude was included in the expulsion order but some of the local Acadians escaped into the woods and conducted a guerilla resistance against the English occupiers. This was supressed by 1758.

American Settlement

In June 1766, Captain John Hall arrived from Pennsylvania armed with a land grant for 100,000 acres from the Philadelphia Land Company; one of the principal investors of which was Benjamin Franklin. On Captain Hall's ship were eight immigrant Pennsylvania "Deutsch" families who were to re-establish the pre-existing farming community at Le Coude. Although the new settlement was to be formally named Monckton Township, it was more colloquially known as "The Bend of the Petitcodiac", or simply The Bend.

The Bend grew slowly and the principle economy of the community remained agriculturally based until the early 1800's, when Royal Navy requirements helped to stimulate a lumbering and shipbuilding industry. As shipbuilding gained in importance, The Bend developed a service based economy and gradually began to acquire all of the amenities of a growing town. In particular, as the economy strengthened, an important financial institution (the Westmorland Bank) opened and this in turn was able to finance further expansion of the shipbuilding industry.

First Incorporation

The prosperity engendered by the wooden shipbuilding industry allowed The Bend to incorporate as the town of Moncton in 1855. The first mayor of Moncton was the shipbuilder Joseph Salter. The town was named after Lt. Col. Robert Monckton, the British military commander who had captured Fort Beauséjour a century earlier. A clerical error at the time the town was incorporated resulted in the mis-spelling of the community's name which has been perpetuated to the present day.

Two years later on 20 August 1857 the European and North American Railway opened its line from Moncton to the nearby Northumberland Strait port of Shediac; this was followed by the E&NA's line from Moncton to Sussex and on to Saint John opening in 1859. ^[3]

Recession and Resurrection

At about the same time as the arrival of the railway, steam-powered ships began to replace clipper ships on the ocean's sea routes and this forced an end to the era of wooden shipbuilding. The industrial collapse that developed from this, as well as the associated bankruptcy of the Westmorland Bank caused Moncton to surrender its civic charter in 1862.

Moncton's economic depression did not last long and a second era of prosperity came to the area in 1871 when Moncton was selected to be the headquarters of the Intercolonial Railway of Canada. ^[4] The ICR was a merger of the pre-existing E&NA and the Nova Scotia Railway. In addition, a new route was constructed through northern New Brunswick into Quebec to join with the Grand Trunk Railway at Riviere-du-Loup. It was the construction of this route which cemented Moncton's place as the most important economic centre servicing northern New Brunswick; a relationship which continues to this day.

The coming of the ICR to Moncton was a seminal event for the community. For the next 120 years, the history of the city would be inextricably intertwined with that of the railway.

Second Incorporation, Growth and Prosperity

With the arrival of the Intercolonial Railroad, Moncton was able to reincorporate as a town in 1875 with the motto "Resurgo" (I rise again). One year later, the ICR line to Quebec was opened. The railway boom that emanated from this and the associated employment growth allowed Moncton to achieve city status on 23 April 1890.

Moncton grew rapidly during the early part of the 20th century, particularly after provincial lobbying saw the city become the eastern terminus of the massive National Transcontinental Railway project in 1912. This line would link Moncton with Edmundston, Quebec City, and on to Winnipeg where the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway continued to Saskatoon, Edmonton, and Prince Rupert. The First World War eventually brought a halt to the era of transcontinental railway expansion.

In 1918, the ICR and NTR (then autonomous companies grouped under the Canadian Government Railways) were merged by the federal government into the newly-formed Canadian National Railways (CNR) system. The ICR shops would become CNR's major locomotive repair facility for the Maritimes and Moncton became the headquarters for CNR's Maritime division. Reflecting the city's growing importance as a railway and logistics/shipping hub, the T. Eaton Company's catalogue warehouse located to the city in the early 1920s, employing over five hundred people.

As the city grew, it began to draw upon its hinterland for population growth. Much of the surrounding countryside to the east and the north of the city was (and is) inhabited primarily by French-Acadians who were descendants of the refugees that had returned to the region following the deportation of 1755. The influx of francophone Acadians seeking employment beginning in the early 1900s would result in a major demographic and cultural shift for the community.

Moncton continued to develop as a regional distribution and transportation hub during the Second World War. The Royal Canadian Air Force established two air bases in the area as part of the Commonwealth Air Training Plan. The Canadian Army also built a large military supply base (CFB Moncton) along the railway mainline near the CNR shops facilities northwest of downtown.

Railway employment in Moncton at the height of the steam locomotive era (circa 1950) peaked at about six thousand workers before starting a long slow decline. This decline occurred because the newer diesel locomotives and longer trains that were introduced in the early 1950s required fewer employees for operation and for maintenance. Some of this employment loss was offset by the construction of a large railway hump yard by the CNR in the city's west end.

Moncton was placed on the Trans-Canada Highway network in the early 1960s after Route 2 was built along the northern perimeter of the city. Subsequent development saw Route 15 built between the city and nearby Parlee Beach at Shediac. At the same time, the infamous Petitcodiac River Causeway was constructed.

Acadian Renaissance

The Université de Moncton was founded in 1963. ^[5] This began an Acadian "renaissance" which was in large measure encouraged and supported by university faculty who had been trained in Quebec during the founding years of the " Quiet Revolution". U de M, the renaissance, and the election of premier Louis Robichaud and his program of " equal opportunity" all led to increasing demands by the francophone populace for municipal services in French and led to tension between the Acadian minority and the anglophone majority during the latter part of the 1960s and early 1970s.

The Acadian population began to become more prosperous and influential during the 1980s as linguistic tensions began to relax (although not disappearing entirely). The anglophone population of the city generally began to accept the principle of bilingualism and enrollment in French Immersion classes in public schools became popular. Bilingualism would ultimately become one of the strengths of the community.

Recession Again

The late 1970s and the 1980s again saw a period of economic hardship hit the city as several major employers closed or restructured. The Eatons catalogue division closed in 1976 and CN closed its locomotive shops facility in 1988, throwing thousands out of work and forcing the federal and provincial governments to step in with economic restructuring packages to diversify the Moncton economy. CFB Moncton was also closed at about this time due to defence cutbacks resulting from the end of the Cold War. Moncton was so despondent by the late 1980s that the city's official motto became simply Moncton - We're OK.

Moncton Miracle

Diversification in the early 1990s saw the rise of information technology, led by call centres which made use of the city's bilingual workforce. Bilingualism was heavily promoted by premier Frank McKenna's government to attract the call centre industry in order to provide a temporary employment "bridge" for the city as it transitioned from the old economy to a more modern one. By the late 1990s, retail, manufacturing and service expansion began to occur in all sectors and within a decade of the closure of the CN locomotive shops, Moncton had more than made up for its employment losses. This dramatic turnaround in the fortunes of the city has been termed the "Moncton Miracle".

Recent History

The growth of the community has continued unabated since the 1990s and in fact has been accelerating. The confidence of the city has been bolstered by its ability to host major events such as the Francophonie Summit in 1999. ^[6] Recent positive developments include the Atlantic Baptist University relocating to a new campus in 1996 and achieving full university status, the Greater Moncton Airport opening a new terminal building and becoming a designated international airport in 2002, ^[7] and the opening of the new Gunningsville Bridge to Riverview in 2005. ^[8]

In 2002, Moncton became Canada's first officially bilingual city. ^[9] Moncton officially became a Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) in 2006. The 2006 census subsequently declared Moncton to be the largest metropolitan area in the province of New Brunswick.

The original indigenous inhabitants of the Petitcodiac river valley were the Mi'kmaq. Moncton is situated at the southern end of a traditional native portage route connecting the Petitcodiac River and Shediac Bay on the nearby Northumberland Strait.

The head of the Bay of Fundy was first settled by French Acadians in the 1670's. ^[1] The first reference to the "Petcoucoyer River" was on the De Meulles map of 1686. ^[1] Settlement of the Petitcodiac and Memramcook river valleys began about 1700, gradually extending inland and reaching the site of present day Moncton in 1733. The first Acadian settlers in the Moncton area established a marshland farming community and chose to name their settlement Le Coude (The Elbow) in reference to the sharp bend of the Petitcodiac River.

In 1755, Fort Beausejour in nearby Aulac was captured by English forces under the command of Lt. Col. Robert Monckton. ^[10] The Petitcodiac and Memramcook river valleys subsequently fell under English occupation. Later that year, Governor Charles Lawrence issued a decree ordering the expulsion of the Acadian population from Nova Scotia. The population of Le Coude was included in the expulsion order but some of the local Acadians were able to escape into the woods and then conducted a guerilla resistance against the English occupiers. This resistance was supressed by 1758.

In June 1766, Captain John Hall arrived from Pennsylvania armed with a land grant for 100,000 acres from the Philadelphia Land Company; one of the principal investors of which was Benjamin Franklin. On Captain Hall's ship were eight immigrant Pennsylvania "Deutsch" families who were to re-establish the pre-existing farming community at Le Coude. Although the new settlement was to be formally named Monckton Township, it was more colloquially known as "The Bend of the Petitcodiac", or simply The Bend.

The Bend grew slowly and the principle economy of the community remained agriculturally based until the early 1800's, when Royal Navy requirements helped to stimulate a lumbering and shipbuilding industry. As shipbuilding gained in importance, The Bend developed a service based economy and gradually began to acquire all of the amenities of a growing town. In particular, as the economy strengthened, an important financial institution (the Westmorland Bank) opened and this in turn was able to finance further expansion of the shipbuilding industry.

The prosperity engendered by the wooden shipbuilding industry allowed The Bend to incorporate as the town of Moncton in 1855. The first mayor of Moncton was the shipbuilder Joseph Salter. The town was named after Lt. Col. Robert Monckton, the British military commander who had captured Fort Beauséjour a century earlier. A clerical error at the time the town was incorporated resulted in the mis-spelling of the community's name which has been perpetuated to the present day.

Two years later on 20 August 1857 the European and North American Railway opened its line from Moncton to the nearby Northumberland Strait port of Shediac; this was followed by the E&NA's line from Moncton to Sussex and on to Saint John opening in 1859. ^[3]

At about the same time as the arrival of the railway, steam-powered ships began to replace clipper ships on the ocean's sea routes and this forced an end to the era of wooden shipbuilding. The industrial collapse that developed from this, as well as the associated bankruptcy of the Westmorland Bank caused Moncton to surrender its civic charter in 1862.

Moncton's economic depression did not last long and a second era of prosperity came to the area in 1871 when Moncton was selected to be the headquarters of the Intercolonial Railway of Canada. ^[11] The ICR was a merger of the pre-existing E&NA and the Nova Scotia Railway. In addition, a new route was constructed through northern New Brunswick into Quebec to join with the Grand Trunk Railway at Riviere-du-Loup. It was the construction of this route which cemented Moncton's place as the most important economic centre servicing northern New Brunswick; a relationship which continues to this day.

The coming of the ICR to Moncton was a seminal event for the community. For the next 120 years, the history of the city would be inextricably intertwined with that of the railway.

With the arrival of the Intercolonial Railroad, Moncton was able to reincorporate as a town in 1875 with the motto "Resurgo" (I rise again). One year later, the ICR line to Quebec was opened. The railway boom that emanated from this and the associated employment growth allowed Moncton to achieve city status on 23 April 1890.

Moncton grew rapidly during the early part of the 20th century, particularly after provincial lobbying saw the city become the eastern terminus of the massive National Transcontinental Railway project in 1912. This line would link Moncton with Edmundston, Quebec City, and on to Winnipeg where the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway continued to Saskatoon, Edmonton, and Prince Rupert. The First World War eventually brought a halt to the era of transcontinental railway expansion.

In 1918, the ICR and NTR (then autonomous companies grouped under the Canadian Government Railways) were merged by the federal government into the newly-formed Canadian National Railways (CNR) system. The ICR shops would become CNR's major locomotive repair facility for the Maritimes and Moncton became the headquarters for CNR's Maritime division. Reflecting the city's growing importance as a railway and logistics/shipping hub, the T. Eaton Company's catalogue warehouse located to the city in the early 1920s, employing over five hundred people.

As the city grew, it began to draw upon its hinterland for population growth. Much of the surrounding countryside to the east and the north of the city was (and is) inhabited primarily by French-Acadians who were descendants of the refugees that had returned to the region following the deportation of 1755. The influx of francophone Acadians seeking employment beginning in the early 1900s would result in a major demographic and cultural shift for the community.

Moncton continued to develop as a regional distribution and transportation hub during the Second World War. The Royal Canadian Air Force established two air bases in the area as part of the Commonwealth Air Training Plan. The Canadian Army also built a large military supply base (CFB Moncton) along the railway mainline near the CNR shops facilities northwest of downtown.

Railway employment in Moncton at the height of the steam locomotive era (circa 1950) peaked at about six thousand workers before starting a long slow decline. This decline occurred because the newer diesel locomotives and longer trains that were introduced in the early 1950s required fewer employees for operation and for maintenance. Some of this employment loss was offset by the construction of a large railway hump yard by the CNR in the city's west end.

Moncton was placed on the Trans-Canada Highway network in the early 1960s after Route 2 was built along the northern perimeter of the city. Subsequent development saw Route 15 built between the city and nearby Parlee Beach at Shediac. At the same time, the infamous Petitcodiac River Causeway was constructed.

The Université de Moncton was founded in 1963. ^[12] This began an Acadian "renaissance" which was in large measure encouraged and supported by university faculty who had been trained in Quebec during the founding years of the " Quiet Revolution". U de M, the renaissance, and the election of premier Louis Robichaud and his program of " equal opportunity" all led to increasing demands by the francophone populace for municipal services in French and led to tension between the Acadian minority and the anglophone majority during the latter part of the 1960s and early 1970s.

The Acadian population began to become more prosperous and influential during the 1980s as linguistic tensions began to relax (although not disappearing entirely). The anglophone population of the city generally began to accept the principle of bilingualism and enrollment in French Immersion classes in public schools became popular. Bilingualism would ultimately become one of the strengths of the community.

The late 1970s and the 1980s again saw a period of economic hardship hit the city as several major employers closed or restructured. The Eatons catalogue division closed in 1976 and CN closed its locomotive shops facility in 1988, throwing thousands out of work and forcing the federal and provincial governments to step in with economic restructuring packages to diversify the Moncton economy. CFB Moncton was also closed at about this time due to defence cutbacks resulting from the end of the Cold War. Moncton was so despondent by the late 1980s that the city's official motto became simply Moncton - We're OK.

Diversification in the early 1990s saw the rise of information technology, led by call centres which made use of the city's bilingual workforce. Bilingualism was heavily promoted by premier Frank McKenna's government to attract the call centre industry in order to provide a temporary employment "bridge" for the city as it transitioned from the old economy to a more modern one. By the late 1990s, retail, manufacturing and service expansion began to occur in all sectors and within a decade of the closure of the CN locomotive shops, Moncton had more than made up for its employment losses. This dramatic turnaround in the fortunes of the city has been termed the "Moncton Miracle".

The growth of the community has continued unabated since the 1990s and in fact has been accelerating. The confidence of the city has been bolstered by its ability to host major events such as the Francophonie Summit in 1999. ^[13] Recent positive developments include the Atlantic Baptist University relocating to a new campus in 1996 and achieving full university status, the Greater Moncton Airport opening a new terminal building and becoming a designated international airport in 2002, ^[7] and the opening of the new Gunningsville Bridge to Riverview in 2005. ^[14]

In 2002, Moncton became Canada's first officially bilingual city. ^[9] Moncton officially became a Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) in 2006. The 2006 census subsequently declared Moncton to be the largest metropolitan area in the province of New Brunswick.

Moncton is a Canadian city in Westmorland County, New Brunswick.

The city is located in the southeastern portion of the province, in the Petitcodiac River valley and lies at the geographic center of the Maritime Provinces. The community has been nicknamed the "Hub City" for this reason, and also because Moncton has historically been the railway and transportation hub for the Maritime Provinces.

European settlement began in 1733 with the arrival of Acadian farmers moving up the Petitcodiac River from the Bay of Fundy. The region was captured by the English in 1755 and the Acadian inhabitants subsequently deported. The official founding of the community was in 1766 when Pennsylvania Deutsch settlers sponsored by the Philadelphia Land Company arrived. The settlement was initially agricultural but by the mid 1800's, a wooden shipbuilding industry flourished. The shipbuilding economy collapsed by the 1860's but was quickly replaced by the railway industry when the Intercolonial Railway of Canada chose Moncton to be their headquarters in 1871. Moncton would remain a railroad town for well over a century.

Moncton was first incorporated in 1855 and was named for Lt. Col. Robert Monckton, the British military commander who had captured nearby Fort Beauséjour in 1755 and who had subsequently overseen the Acadian deportation. ^[15]. The collapse of the shipbuilding industry caused the town to lose its charter in 1862. The community was able to reincorporate in 1875 on the strength of the railway industry and adopted the motto Resurgo.

Moncton has developed a diversified service based economy with strong representation from the health care, educational, finance, commercial and retail sectors. The economy is augmented by strong transportation, distribution and light manufacturing sectors. Moncton remains the provinces railway hub and also has the provinces largest international airport.

The Moncton Census Metropolitan Area (CMA) is one of the top ten fastest growing metropolitan areas in Canada and is the fastest growing urban region east of Toronto. The CMA includes the neighbouring city of Dieppe and the town of Riverview, as well as adjacent areas of Westmorland and Albert counties. ^[16]

Moncton is the second largest city in New Brunswick with 64,128 residents (2006). ^[17] The Moncton CMA however has a population of 126,424 ^[18], which makes Moncton the largest metropolitan population centre in New Brunswick, and makes it the second largest CMA in the Maritime Provinces, after Halifax ^[19]

The municipal coat of arms illustrates Moncton's agricultural, industrial and railway heritages, along with the Petitcodiac River's tidal bore. ^[20]

Moncton is located in southeastern New Brunswick, in the Petitcodiac River valley, along the north bank of the river at a point where it bends from a west–east flow to a north–south direction. The sharp bend of the Petitcodiac River at Moncton has figured prominently in the names that have been given to the community by its various succeeding inhabitants.

"Petitcodiac" in the Mi'kmaq language has been translated as meaning "bends like a bow". The early Acadian settlers in the region named their community "Le Coude" which means "the elbow". ^[15] Subsequent English immigrants changed the name of the settlement to "The Bend of the Petitcodiac".

Moncton lies at the original head of navigation on the Petitcodiac River but a causeway to Riverview which was constructed in 1968 resulted in extensive infilling by sedimentation of the river channel downstream. Because of this, the river in the Moncton area is no longer navigable. ^[15]

The Petitcodiac river valley is broad and relatively flat, bounded by a long ridge to the north (Lutes Mountain) and by the rugged Caledonia Highlands to the south.

Moncton is at the geographic center of the Maritime Provinces. The community has been nicknamed the "Hub City" for this reason, and also because Moncton has historically been the railway and transportation hub for the Maritime Provinces. ^[15]

Hello again...great job on the lead section! I dont know what the proper solution to the problem of the blank space is...The picture you put looks good, but only in 1024x768 resolution...some people (for example me) view wiki in higher resolutions. The way we have the article now is the product of myself constantly switching back and forth between all resolutions and making sure the placement of pictures looks good in all of them...or the closest compromise I can make. This current layout make that picture and the aerial one stack up and look very bad in higher resolutions...but without it it leaves a large void. I tried to remove all the secondary titles to make the TOC smaller, which worked perfectly on top...but made the body of the article wonky looking because the titles too small. Im not sure how we should resolve this, the best resolve I can think of is just to make the picture smaller but if you have any other ideas let me know...After we take care of that issue I believe we are ready to re-nominate! :D

Stu pendousmat 22:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello again...I think I just missed you lol...oh well. I decided to switch a couple of pictures around. I feel it looks better like this in all resolutions, and I feel the sunset is also a better pic to have at the start too...as It gives a nice overview of the city. I also put a different pic in the demo. section which I feel better suits it anyways. Hope you dont mind the change...if you have any concerns please let me know...otherwise I will ask that guy tomorrow if he can re-review the article. and if he says no I will re-submit it on the main GA review page (which will prob. take forever again hahaha). have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 23:24, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey,

I just asked Jayron to re-review the article as it seems to me we have done all he asked. I asked him on the Moncton talk page as he said he was gonna watch it, but if he doesnt reply by tomorrow Ill ask him on his talk page. I have a feeling we might have to go through the formal process again though, hopefully not. Once we eventually do pass GA I think we should ask whoever reviews it what it would take to get the article to FA status, I would really love to see that gold star up there some day :D and if we did that who knows the article might even end up being a "featured article of the day" on Wikipedias main page! That would be the ultimate...but one thing at a time here lol...first lets pass GA.

Stu pendousmat 18:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey... I did ask Jayron on his talk page and it seems to me like he is away for a while. I looked over on the GA review page and there is no backlog at all. So Ive decided to post it on that page. I am quite sure of the article at this point, and if there is any problems they will prob be quick fixes. If it is reviewed by another person they will look over what JayRon said and see that we fixed those problems so they will be as up-to-speed as him.

On a non-related note another user who is also a frequent editor of Moncton related articles... Yvesnimmo...has created a Wikiproject for New Brunswick. These projects are used to combine efforts to improve a subject on Wiki, in this case New Brunswick and everything to do with it. I know that you have been active on the New Brunswick page itself, so I assume you have knowledge to contribute on the subject. anyways, if you want to join just put your name on the projects page, hopefully we will be up and running soon. here is the link to the page: WikiProject New Brunswick

Have a good one.

Stu pendousmat 22:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello, Just a quick update. If you didnt already see, the article was reviewed. Bad news, we didnt pass right off the bat. Good news, the fixes are quick and easy as I predicted and I have already handled pretty much everything, I just need a couple more (two to be exact lol) references and thats it! Ill look for them tomorrow, or you can if you want. Glad to see you joined the WikiProject, once the Moncton article reaches a very good level of quality we may need to look elsewhere for fun times on Wikipedia haha. Anyways, Im off for now...hope all is well.

Stu pendousmat 07:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello! Two very good pieces of news today

1. Moncton is now officially a GOOD ARTICLE!!! YAY!
2. WikiProject NB is up and running. Right now we are just going through and putting the banner on all the talk pages of articles. This will probably take some time. If you want to help out please do so. The template and instructions on what to do can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject New Brunswick/Assessment

Have a good one!

Stu pendousmat 18:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey...I just submitted the Moncton article for a peer review to see what would need to be done to get it to Featured Article status. Not that we really need to...its really just for curiosity sake, who knows we might already be close! Thanks for the last comment...Im very pleased with the current status of the article which of course is mostly thanks to you, so thanks for that! Have a good one!

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