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The following section of the Discussion page was erroneously archived after only 4 days, not 7 as stated. Please restore it. Feel free to archive the comments below the criticism section. This diff PhanuelB ( talk) 18:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC) reply

I don't see any error by MiszaBot here. Since the bot is archiving at 09:10 on 5 September, it should be removing any thread whose latest timestamp is prior to 09:10 on 29 August. You can verify that there are no prematurely-archived threads by doing a search in the two archive files, Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher/Archive 25 and Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher/Archive 26 for the string '29 August' or anything with a later date. EdJohnston ( talk) 18:36, 5 September 2010 (UTC) reply

The following Diff was made on 1-Sep [1] before the expiration of the section. I'm interested in the proposed criticism section being restored, not the comments below it. PhanuelB ( talk) 12:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC) reply

That diff did not feature a timestamp.   pablo 14:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC) reply

On a new archive at Talk:Organic LED:

1. It appears to have started the archive at page 4 according to page history, apparently not using the archive page with the tag I created as per set-up instructions.
2. Searching for anything (even "the") in the archive retrieves nothing.
3. The time I guessed at (31d) to archive leaves not much in the talk page, how does one reinstate removed material - opening the archive page reveals only a template.
4. The bot hasn't removed old unsigned, undated entries. In view of the "hiding" of the archive, how would I do this manually?

Sorry, this is the first time I've tried setting this up. Trev M   ~  11:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Fixing in progress. -- Kslotte ( talk) 11:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Done. Feel free to ask why I did certain configs. -- Kslotte ( talk) 11:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC) reply

• Partially great – amazingly fast service or just got you at the right time – thanks for the settings and sorting the page. Was my error to paste and edit a prefilled template, in which a counter had already got to "4"? - if so I didn't realise this was being incremented. It's still set at 4. I'm a guy – I skip read instructions! Also, I know it's not your bot, but the search template I pasted, still turns up nought. Best, Trev M   ~  11:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC) reply

About the search. I think it takes some time before search results will show up. I assume there is some delay (cache) in the Wikipedia system. -- Kslotte ( talk) 13:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Starting to get the hang of the controls. Just checked it on Talk:Namaste and it's not archiving threads much older than their page life, and I don't think any of them are undated, though some are SineBot dated. Didn't excede threads left either. Any advice on fixing this in future, rather than coming here? Trev M   ~  00:37, 5 September 2010 (UTC) reply

OK, now set up on Talk:Tim Berners-Lee. Couldn't find any info this time about the invitation required by the bot on the new archive page. Is this now redundant, or did I just come a different route here? Best, Trev M   ~  13:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC) reply

It looks fine. You don't need to initiate the archive page. The archiving bot will do it automatically. -- Kslotte ( talk) 13:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC) reply

The next edition of the WP:PW newsletter, Issue 77, is ready for delivery at Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Newsletter/Issue 077. Thanks, ♥ Nici♥ Vampire♥ Heart♥ 06:48, 12 September 2010 (UTC) reply

MiszaBot I is archiving the talk from Talk:Mitanni to talk pages that don't exist and that it doesn't create (do basically to /dev/null). What's going on here?-- Oneiros ( talk) 12:47, 12 September 2010 (UTC) reply

There was a bad link, to armenianhighland.com, that wikipedia wouldn't allow MiszaBot to save on the archive page. Tomorrow it should work alright. In the future, try copying the page into a sandbox page and saving it. If it refuses to save the text, it'll tell you what the link is. Then you can go back and break it or nowiki it.

—WWoods ( talk) 17:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Thanks!-- Oneiros ( talk) 17:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC) reply

MiszaBot is archiving sections of Wikimedia Forum but there other sections there from Mar. to Aug. 2009, and a few more undated (didn't check the history to find the date.) Do these need to be archived manually? Is there a way I can help?

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

vapmachado ^talk.cw 20:24, 8 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Could you link the page in question? It won't archive undated threads or threads without standard datestamps, you should add a timestamp or archive them manually... – xeno ^talk 20:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your interest and prompt answer. The link is this: Wikimedia Forum.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

vapmachado ^talk.cw 05:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC) reply

The threads aren't being archived because they don't have timestamps or they have timestamps that are not recognized by MiszaBot ("(GMT)" as in Rich Farmbrough's sig, the lack of "(UTC)" in the unsigned templates). Only timestamps of the following composition are recognized:

HH:MM, DD Month YYYY (UTC)

Anything threads without a timestamp of that nature will not be acted on by the bot. – xeno ^talk 12:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC) reply

It seems to be working. It just passed the first test. If it doesn't hit any snags, I won't bother you anymore with this problem. Thank you so very much for your help.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

vapmachado ^talk.cw 20:40, 9 September 2010 (UTC) reply

After adding several timestamps and the pages being successfully archived, it it no longer working. This is my last time stamp: 22:24, 27 March 2009 UTC), added at 22:12, 13 September 2010 [2]. I then tried adding a period before the time stamp: . 22:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC), at 20:19, 15 September 2010 [3]. MiszaBot has performed an archive at 19:11, 15 September 2010, and another at 19:12, 16 September 2010, but is leaving behind the post of 22:24, 27 March 2009 (UTC). Perhaps not coincidentally, I received a message on my talk page at 11:38, 14 September 2010 (UTC) [4]. I wasn't particularly impressed and essentially told the user to take a hike [5]. My previous message to the same user is on the some page, just above, under the section heading "Thanks". The messages were exchanged on Sept. 14, just before MiszaBot missed archiving for the first time. I don't believe in coincidences. Do you? My guess is that a way was found to make MiszaBot inoperative at least on that post. If these things can be tampered with, the same will happen if I add a timestamp to another one of those 2009 posts. My only interest is to help. If my help is not welcome or is irritating, I can take a hike and go help someplace else. I have absolutely no problem with that. What is your advice?

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

vapmachado ^talk.cw 22:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Hm, you might consider just manually archiving those old threads. I'm not sure why miszaBot is not catching them. – xeno ^talk 22:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Done. No sweat. I will go back to the archives once more. I'm not happy with the sequence I used to archive some sections, but that is not a big deal. Thanks for your help.

Sincerely,

Virgilio A. P. Machado

vapmachado ^talk.cw 01:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. duffbeerforme ( talk) 06:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Wow, there's a template for everything these days... Миша 13 13:28, 18 September 2010 (UTC) reply

I want your bot to archive my talk page, each archive 50 posts each, can you make it do that. Thanks Secret ^account 16:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC) reply

MiszaBot doesn't have this capability and Misza has not been updating the code... Perhaps you could ask Cobi ( talk · contribs) if they can add the feature to ClueBot III? – xeno ^talk 16:22, 13 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Secret, did you know there exist an archive box template named {{ archives}} for keeping your archives more organized. Let me know if you need help. -- Kslotte ( talk) 23:19, 18 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Hi Misza, I can't seem to get your bot to archive here. If you have time, would you mind looking to see whether I've added it wrongly? SlimVirgin ^{talk| contribs} 16:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Currently, only the first thread is older than two weeks. And by default (unless minthreadstoarchive is overridden) it archives no less than two threads at a time. Миша 13 17:10, 18 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Some patience, let a few day go and it will start archiving. Two weeks seems like a good age value in on this talk page. -- Kslotte ( talk) 23:13, 18 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Misza, thanks. For future reference how do we override the minthreadstoarchive? SlimVirgin ^{talk| contribs} 18:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC) reply

|minthreadstoarchive=1 – xeno ^talk 19:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC) reply

I cannot see that this archiving has been completed. __ meco ( talk) 15:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Look at the thread above. Smartse ( talk) 15:34, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Hi Misza, I just spotted your bot made this edit removing 7 threads from ANI, but only adding 6 threads to the archive. The thread about User:Meco disappeared. I'm not sure whether this is a one off or not. Smartse ( talk) 13:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Those diffs are mismatched (look at the timestamps). It looks like the whole 7 threads got lost, there may be a blacklisted link in there or something. – xeno ^talk 13:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Yea just realised that myself. Maybe it has something to do with User:JzG editing the archive at the same time the bot should have added the threads resulting in an edit conflict. Smartse ( talk) 14:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Well-spotted. A cosmic coincidence, but you're probably right. – xeno ^talk 14:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Is there any easy way to fix it? (and stop it happening again?) Smartse ( talk) 14:08, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately not, which is why I haven't fixed it yet. (Will have to load an old revision and pick out the threads by hand to paste them into the archive). Was hoping you would, tbh ;p As far as preventing it in the future - I know that Misza has (for-all-intents-and-purposes) stopped updating the archiver code, so I guess we could just hope that such coincidences are few-and-far-between. – xeno ^talk 14:32, 23 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Sorted - kinda messes up the order but I think this is good enough. Smartse ( talk) 21:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Issue 078 of the WP:PW newsletter is ready for delivery at Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Newsletter/Issue 078. ♥ Nici♥ Vampire♥ Heart♥ 13:17, 26 September 2010 (UTC) reply

You might want to have the bot ignore fully-protected user talk pages: [6]. =) – xeno ^talk 22:23, 30 September 2010 (UTC) reply

Hi there - the bot works just fine on n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/University of Oxford for Portal:University of Oxford/Wikinews, but when I've tried to repeat the trick with n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Law of England and n:Wikinews:Wikinews Importer Bot/Law of Wales for Portal:Law of England and Wales/Wikinews England and Portal:Law of England and Wales/Wikinews Wales respectively, the bot doesn't want to add them to its list of pages for updating. Can you spot anything that I've done wrong in the setup? If not, can you please give the bot a bar of chocolate from me to get it in a good mood?! Thanks. Bencherlite ^Talk 22:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC) reply