Hi. Why have you moved pages on pieces by Beethoven from things like Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) to things like Symphony_No._5_in_C_minor,_Opus_67 (Beethoven)? As far as I can see, this just makes it harder to link directly to these articles (I for one don't know the opus numbers of pieces without looking them up) and brings no compensatory benefit. See also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (pieces of music). -- Camembert
I've thought about it for a bit, and I'm just going to move them all back and change the linkage at List of works by Beethoven (see Talk:List of works by Beethoven for my thinking on this). I know this just undoes what you did, but article titles should be as simple as possible so long as they accurately convey what the article is about and are not ambiguous. I really see no point in moving Fidelio to Fidelio, Opus 72c (Beethoven), for example (especially when other operas and pieces by other composers are not named this way). -- Camembert
Hello, I will be making edits to the Gore page very often. I happen to know Mr. Gore and own a website that covers him, so it will be updated very often and will inform you of what is being edited: http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/ ChrisDJackson
I don't do IRC, so I have no idea what's being said about me, but I can just imagine. RickK 04:21, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I noticed your comment at Talk:Genealogy. A family history wiki seems like a great idea, doesn't it? I don't know how to set up a wiki, but I thought I'd let you know I'm interested in the idea and I'd most likely participate in one! -- Sam
You've something against it, have you? "add newer articles at the beginning, delete from end". -- user:zanimum
I added a paragraph on the subject as per your want ad on WikiMoney and I wanted to get your approval before I collect on it. Kent Wang 01:06, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I reverted the changed you made to the requested articles page, w/ respect to the geography requests. It was decided on the talk pages to have as few subpages as possible. →Raul654 00:32, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
Where did you get the number of 22,000 US wounded in Iraq? RickK 04:31, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting my vandalism. Sorry, I was being an idiot. I shan't do it again. :(
Oops... I must be going on an "illegal protected pages editing streak"... revert my typo edit in your user page if you'd like, I did not realize it was protected, sorry. ugen64 02:35, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
I got your note re: user:Lir. *sigh* And he was doing so well...
Guess I'll have to look into this. -- Uncle Ed 15:30, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hehe, I did a couple of page previews trying to get it right and that was the best I could come up with. ;) -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:04, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for re-nominating U.S. Electoral College. :) Maybe I should have more confidence in my nominations. I still think the article could use more history, but what's currently there is very thorough. -- Minesweeper 08:52, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, Kingturtle, for supporting my adminship nomination and for your very kind comments... - Seth Ilys 15:37, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I just gave you two of my WikiThingies because you make good use of them and ran out, and generally do an all around great job. -- Infrogmation 16:51, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, I just wanted to make sure you noticed that one of our anonymous Bostonians has returned to Talk:Curse of the Bambino. I've fought my fight there, and have gladly deferred to your opinions about the article: I trust you're up to defending it from vandalism, should that occur again. Once was enough for me. :) I wish you luck, Jwrosenzweig 17:04, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
You wrote:# The question at hand is steeped in POV rhetoric. I can barely decipher what it is intending to say.
Kingturtle 01:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To answer your question, it is intending to ask exactly what it seems to be asking. Your remark seems intended to suggest that my question is impossible to take at face value, and I object to this. Perhaps what you mean is that the question is designed to serve a particular political agenda? Fair point. Or perhaps you mean that it is a trivially simple question, because the answer not only strikes you as obvious, but also useless, in the sense that you see it as impossible to objectively determine whether a person is "notoriously obstinate and uncompromising"? One could make that argument. Well, so go ahead and state the point and make the arguement. I don't mind if you or anyone wants to express opposition to my project. I just find a lot of people are doing so in ways that I regard as insidiously and unfairly damaging to my reputation. 168...| ...Talk 01:42, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
"Red" is POV. "Up" is POV. "Cold" is POV. "Assume a perfect sphere" is not POV. "POV" is not helping to say anything here. From my POV, people here throw that term around much more than is conducive to good communication, not to mention it's a slur in Wikipedia culture. When you said the words I wrote are POV, I think what you meant was what I wrote above in elaborating "trivial."
"My project" is to soften the ideology here, to get people to see the rules as evolving guidelines instead of the articles of a constitution, to get people to notice the inconsistencies between our values and the particular articulation of certain rules that we have now and to move the organization in a direction that enables it to either get rid of or reform people like Lir, who waste enormous amounts of person hours, cause enormous amounts of aggravation, scare enormously valuable people away, enormously diminish the quality of articles and enormously slow the pace of the production of a high quality encyclopedia. Somewhat paradoxically, I would also like people to see the susceptibility of this system to mob psychology, rash and unfair judgments and the mistreatment of individuals. 168...| ...Talk 02:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't think that you were at all misguided about objecting to decisions being made on WikiEN-L, when they should be made much more transparently and openly on the Wiki itself. Although it's not a huge issue, the current situation certainly creates the impression of a cabal of decision makers who act and move above and outside the rest of us... (not that I believe that's what's happening, just that that's what it might look like). -- Seth Ilys 04:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thank you so much for bringing up the issue of WikiEn-L. I have been frustrated for quite some time with the mailing list, and more recently with the IRC channel. These have together become the only places where project-related decisions are being discussed and made. Some prominent users have gone so far as to delete or move any sort of project-related content placed on the wiki itself. The official line is that the "meta" is the appropriate place for such discussion, but since few active sysops follow the meta, it is difficult to have meaningful discussion there.
The trouble with the mailing list is twofold. First, as you point out, it is not practical to participate casually for many people, particularly those who do not have an e-mail address that is suitable for such use. I have tried to partcipate via hotmail in the past, and it is such an enormous nuisance that it's hardly worth it. Second, the list is very time consuming to follow. At this point there are roughly 20 useless posts for each insightful one. This is an inherent problem in large mailing lists and has occured on each of the dozen or so lists I've participated in over the years.
So, I agree that the list is bad. Shutting it down won't help; what is needed is a better place for the discussion to move to, such as a prominent wiki; even the meta would work if a consensus were reached that it should indeed be the focus of discussion.
And thank you for removing your request from the "requests for arbitration" page. We at the arbitration committee are not empowered to address policy changes, which is what this is. They are, for good or ill, the responsibility of the community.
Best wishes in this endeavour, and let me know if I can help. UninvitedCompany 15:29, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Did you really mean to unprotect those pages....seems that the protect notice has been removed while the pages are still protected. There has been next to no discussion regarding the pages...might be better to leave the protected till the discussion happens OneVoice 02:55, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Congo Free State has been cleaned up. Would you be willing to change your vote on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates? 172 09:18, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Peerage has an extended introduction. Please inform me if anything further is required. -- Emsworth 21:53, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, you voted on the issue of whether 168... should be desysoped. Following this, he was temporarily desysopped. Please participate in the new vote as to whether that temporary desysopping should now be reversed until the committees can deal with it properly. Thank you. Angela . 00:45, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
Hi,
I've added a testimonial from you to Wikipedia:Press releases/February 2004. If you would prefer to be quoted by real name, or if you would prefer not to be quoted at all, please edit accordingly. —Eloquence 05:03, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
It is much better quality than http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/a/a2/Tom_jefferson_color.JPG--I agree, but Tom_Jefferson_color.JPG is not on the Jefferson page, except as a link. Did you mean to suggest replacing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thomas.jpg? jengod 05:33, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
In a belated response to User_talk:Darkelf#Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration, could you please tell me what you mean? I am involved with that page both as a possible defendee (Wik vs Darkelf), and as someone who is providing data against User:Wik. What formal request should I make? Thanks, Jo r 19:45, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
As I have said in the image info and other places I have gotten permission from the photographer via email. -20:00, 25 Feb 2004 ChrisDJackson
Hi, Kingturtle ! Care to offer me some advice on the current arbitration against me ? - In any event I wish you well and remain a Hustler-aged dirty old man, passionate for matters of truth - Happy editing - irismeister 00:27, 2004 Feb 27 (UTC)
Re today's main page: "battered" is no better than "assaulted." If Johnson abused or shouted at or argued with Pearson, then that is what the page should say. "Battered" means "pummelled with his fists" (or "covered with batter"). Adam 02:13, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Well no, because "to batter" has a specific meaning, it means "to strike with the fists." If LBJ grabbed Pearson and slammed him into a wall, then he "assaulted" him or (better) "physically assaulted" him. I think this needs to be made specific because it is rather unusual for heads of government to physically assault each other. Adam 03:03, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The community information backlinks are deprecated because the new community main page makes the community information directory obsolete. See Wikipedia talk:Main Page. -- Michael Snow 23:20, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
You have been given Wikipedia:Bureaucrat status. -- Infrogmation 16:41, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, is there any reason you removed the (plus those supporting "all sysops" in the above category) notes from RFA? I only voted in the all sysops category. I don't want to have to vote in every other category as well, but now this note is removed, my vote might not be counted. Angela . 03:46, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
You should probably keep images to 300px at most, since 400px will occupy more than half the screen in 800X600 browsers. -- Jia ng 02:09, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I nominated myself: surely that counts as me confirming I want sysop status? -- Graham :) 08:16, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please come vote at the new poll on Wikipedia_talk:Mailing_lists. -- Seth Ilys 21:46, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Relax a bit. His first registered contribution was on Feb 20, he has been contributing for 11 days only. You might want to talk with him privately on his talk page. Take a deep breath and re-read Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. :) <3 -- Maio 02:49, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Though I appreciate that the 'thumb' format is a de facto standard by virtue of being the one coded in, I don't think that it looks anywhere near as good as the structure you replaced with it. It doesn't fit with, well, any of the pages, and certainly not
Rhode Island (and all the other countries/flora/fauna/vehicle/&c. pages with a standardised
info box), where a thin black border around a white box is established as a standard.
However, I won't just revert to the previous version, as such action would be rude, especially so due to this being a diversion from established policy... Instead, I seek your comments. Thoughts?
James F.
(talk) 11:59, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Second Treaty of Thorn is still protected from editing. -- Minesweeper 07:34, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
hello. Yesterday, i was looking for you on irc, because I wished you to explain to me why you unprotected DNA. There is no chance that this goes in the right direction. No agreement has been found on the talk page or privately; All I fear is a new edit war or that one of the sysop makes a new wrong move. I regret to say that the unprotection is likely to be the way toward more problems. I fear that me saying "we ought to do something" was interpretated by "we should unprotect the page". Nothing was farther from my feeling :-( If you see that it goes in the wrong direction, please protect it again. If you need a request from someone, hell, I request its protection. ant
Thanks for image info, KT. Incidentally, this page is at 40K now Jim
Kingturtle, if no one else is going to try to stifle his actions, I have to. He is singling me out and it is very irritating. It seems that there is no one that will try to contain him. Look at all the edit wars he has caused. Plus he has done this to you along with others. I think the word prick is precisley what he is going by the first definition on here: http://www.google.com/search?q=define:prick
Why will no one ban him or do something for his irritating behavior? ChrisDJackson 01:26, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, Anthony continues to disrupt the Earth in the Balance page by removing an important link. The link is to a chapter by chapter compendium of the book. He also keeps reverting the RFK page which the material I used is not copyrighted. Help! ChrisDJackson 23:43, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi! I think the 1729 (number) business has gone on long enough, and I reckon I'm the Wikipedian (and certainly the sysop) with the best background on this. So I'd like to 'impose' a solution, that seems to me most 'encyclopedic'.
Charles Matthews 12:06, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
That worked well - briefly. A hornet's nest. If you could 'take back' the protection for 1729 (number) and 1729 (anecdote), that would spare me some questioning of my actions, admin-wise.
Charles Matthews 17:12, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Please try to avoid using copy and paste to move pages, as it loses page history. I've sorted out Great Mississippi Flood... Morwen 20:14, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)
Gadzooks, sir! I found the article on Issei Sagawa and moved to edit it, only to discover you'd already done so. You move quickly, and I applaud your capable scissors. Denni 23:01, 2004 Mar 7 (UTC)
Thanks Kingturtle. We deleted it accidentally! Owen&rob 23:52, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No. I did not post the same message on Stevertigo's page. Kingturtle 03:24, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. However, I did act fairly and post a similar message to Stevertigo before you asked me that question. The message was not the same message, however. It was a different one, but made the same recommendation. :) Kingturtle 03:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thank you - I was just consulting the proposed Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks article, at which I delivered an incantation. I will go purify myself now by doing minor proofreads, and drinking the other recommended 7 daily cups of water. ;) - SV (talk) 03:27, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The article has been altered as per your suggestion on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. What do you think of it now? Please make your comment on the W:FAC page to keep things neat. -- Graham :) 22:23, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words, I'll see what I'll do about it. it 02:18, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Chris has not gotten better. Nearly every one of his submissions is blatant plagiarism. Anthony 04:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
See what I am talking about. He thinks that if I add a paragraph that is in question he automatically says that it is plagiarism. ChrisDJackson 04:36, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No, when you copy a paragraph from somewhere without identifying your source that is plagiarism. Anthony 04:49, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the pep talks all around. You are helping the situation a great deal. Thanks - Texture 04:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Wish us all luck. Chris is ok with non-copyright wording on this first disputed paragraph (or two) and Anthony has not objected. (Although I have not received any reply from repeated requests for comment, changes, or his own alternative.) I am going to unprotect it, ask Chris to move those (or similar non-copyright text) into the article, and ask him to add the next section of interest to the talk page. Any advice? - Texture 04:48, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing that I'm working away. :-) I tend to be so focused on what I'm doing that it's hard to look up and see what's going on out there. You made my evening by being someone who does notice. Nice to hear from someone else who started out in upstate new york and ended up out here in CA. Sleep--huh--sounds familiar--my current insomnia regimen actually prohibits me from climbing into bed until... golly, 11:15! That's 6 minutes from now! I'm outa here. Elf 07:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Wow! That Bird charactar seems to causing a lot of trouble. Unfortunately, I went to bed before I recieved your firefighting message. I did, however, revert a vandalism this morning (don't know if that was related to bird). Thanks for the notification and keep up the good work! Perl 15:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I got your message about the fire department. Sorry about not responding - you posted it at 1:24 AM (EST). I went to bed earlier than usual last night, so I didn't get the message until 9:30 this morning, by which time the crisis had passed. If I had been around, I definitely would have helped. →Raul654 18:04, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, King T; you just moved my RfA vote from Wesley to pfortuny in the course of your page-long update -- pls be careful. [1] +sj + 23:01, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
You put your second message on the wrong user page. Anthony 23:50, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Kind of jumped the gun on Wesley and Pfortuny, didn't ya? By my reckoning, 17:12 UTC is still 3 hours in the future. On second thought, never mind -- <grin> -- they were both unanimous! :-) -- Uncle Ed 18:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Don't worry about it, tortoises are slow so the hare has to give you a head start ;-) -- Uncle Ed 21:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, just wanted to mention to you that you cut a comment of mine at RfA in voting on Academic Challenger--I'm sure it was unintentional, but I know when I do these things, I like to be told as a reminder to doublecheck things. Anyway, I've restored it, so not a big deal. Hope your day has gone well--thanks for all the work you do here, both in editing articles and helping to shape policy. Jwrosenzweig 01:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi, on the coin pictures should I email him myself for the images I use or are you going to do it all in a block? (I'm probably going to be grabbing a lot of the British ones this evening.) - Hephaestos| § 02:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I see in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates that you feel Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius needs further editing, but I have no idea what you would like to improve about it. Can you give me some indication, preferably on its talk page? -- Jmabel 07:41, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! You did great swapping out the stub on DYK. Just wanted to let you know you did good. jengod 00:29, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)
They are going to be as famous as the Razzies and i am proud to have inspired them... Muriel 00:21, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi, when you get a chance could you take a look at my comments on User:Dagestan? Thanks, Isomorphic 19:06, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
So it's OK to trust the judgment of admins, but not that of admin-developers? So you don't want "vigilante groups" (really an open quick consensus finding process) but you accept admins as a "vigilante group"? Please read the proposal again. There's nothing in it about waiting 24 hours. As soon as the required number of votes has been reached, and there's at least 80% agreement, whatever remedy has been proposed can be implemented. This can happen within minutes.
Let's say this proposal had been made by User:Jamesday (who in fact insisted on using a polling system), with the rationale "We need a system to deal with people like —Eloquence who will otherwise engage in vigilantism". Let's be honest here: Would you have opposed this proposal under such a scenario? And if not, would you kindly end your personal vendetta against me? —Eloquence
I'm glad to hear that. In that case, I do not understand why you so strenuously object to my allegedly "out of process" desysopping of 168... (not really out of process - I've desysopped other users before), who repeatedly violated the protection policy and quite clearly said so, while entrusting sysops with 24 hour bans (a much more drastic measure) without a need for prior community consultation. —Eloquence 01:19, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
A formal process takes place to graduate someone to being an admin, and therefore a formal process should take place to demote someone from being an admin. - like, say, a quickpoll? ;-) —Eloquence
Dear Kingturtle, can you watch over Anthony, i am going to sleep. See his latest edit to his evidence and he remove your comment from the talk page. I am starting to get sick of him. He is probably comming here to see what i wrote and add something... well. Cheers, Muriel 01:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please do not use reversions as a threat. Please do not use the threat of reversions as a ploy to blackmail another user into saying or doing what you want them too. I am referring directly to you saying to ChrisDJackson "state your sources and i'll stop reverting you." - Kingturtle 01:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please look at Anthony's evidence. He has a point. —Eloquence
Wait a second. Protecting Wikipedia:Matter of Anthony DiPierro evidence is absolutely unfair. Ban one or both of the people fighting over it, but you can't protect that page. Anthony DiPierro 02:37, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I would love to take some actions here, but my hands are tied. Are you still sure you object to that quickpolls idea? —Eloquence 02:41, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)
Hey, how's your journey through the bureaucracy going? ;-) I hope you understand my position a little better now. —Eloquence
Thanks, but my edits pale in comparison to your edit list. Iam 02:08, Mar 21, 2004 (UTC)
Hi KT, at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians you added User:Tucci528 (better known as User:TUF-KAT) and User:Vera Cruz (better known as User:Lir). Neither one is really missing. Maximus Rex 05:32, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As you have now lost the vote, I am considering using arbitration to investigate whether you disobeyed the rules of wikipedia in calling for the vote (via Quickpoll). You never warned me or reiterated the three revert rules to a first time violator-so I will repeat a formerly asked question.
Do you feel you violated the rules of Wikipedia in creating the quickpoll? (why or why not)
If arbitration occurs this will be used
GrazingshipIV 03:58, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
Would you please explain why? GrazingshipIV 04:14, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I must announce my disappointment. I find it hard to resolve this problem if you refuse to communicate in any meaninful way with me. GrazingshipIV 04:24, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
As you wish ;) GrazingshipIV 04:30, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I am not feigning anything, I am attempting to resolve this and you are refusing to answer any of my legitimate questions. What would you have me do other than take you to arbitration? I admit I was upset when I wrote that e-mail and apologize if I offended you. I was upset because I then (like now) was not made aware of what I had done wrong nor given due process. GrazingshipIV 04:36, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I used if because I do not know whether you were offended or not, I can't know whats in your heart. It was not meant to be offensive it was meant to express how I felt.
Here is the deal I would like answers to the basic questions that I have previously asked. I would like those answers so I can better understand what happened. I do not want to go to arbitration to get them or to understand why you took actions that I see as wrongheaded. Just explain your reasons for doing what you did please. GrazingshipIV 04:47, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
It was a courtesey warning that if we could not resolve this anything you said would go along with my case to the committee. It was more of a 'heads up' then a threat. The title of the conversation is possible arbitration. I prefer mediation over arbitration any day of the week but, if need be I will submit the case. GrazingshipIV 05:03, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution recommends meditation before arbitration. Unlike some, I prefer to follow the rules. GrazingshipIV 05:13, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I'm referring to those who engage in vandalism, like the user I was trying to stop (in this case Anthony Dipierro). And after trying to stop him I was subject to, in my opinion, an illadvised vote that did not correspond to the stated policy. GrazingshipIV 05:26, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
This is my final attempt at mediation. Can you please explain to me the reasons you listed me on quickpolls? If you can just explain why you did it I will withdraw all matters that would be put before the committee. I think this is fair to ask of you and I think others will too. GrazingshipIV 17:16, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
As it is clear we cannot work our problems out one on one on suggest mediation. GrazingshipIV 03:55, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I would feel mediation in IRC chat would be best as I need real time in order to work out our obvious differences. This is within your capability. GrazingshipIV 03:59, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
As requested the mediation committee has been contacted. Please come with an open mind when it eventually happens. Although I would still prefer a private chat on IRC chat. GrazingshipIV 04:15, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Dude my computer sucks this takes forever. I am constantly getting edited over because of this computer. GrazingshipIV 04:28, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Why go to all that trouble? We are already having a conversation here. Kingturtle 04:38, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Will you just come on already and stop being difficult. You want to use a talk page Let's go. GrazingshipIV 04:41, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Can you at least compromise a little? I have compromised every step of the way. You say you do not want intermedaries then you refuse to compromise on anything. Lets do it privately on chat-No, Lets do it through a mediator on chat-NO, I want to do it on a talk page-OK how about mine where I can actually work from?-NO what gives? GrazingshipIV 04:49, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I am being vandalized by thebam right now so I cannot continue this conversation here. please go to my talkpage. GrazingshipIV 04:59, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I did not say it did created conflict here. I said I was busy with it so I could not respond. I am still trying to investigate. If you would come to my page I would be made aware everytime you said something while investigating. thebam's intentions were more than clear. GrazingshipIV 05:07, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Baiting you for what? I am not going to open discussion until you make a concession, namely to discuss it on my page. If you do not want to discuss it fine. But I have offered you a chance mutliple times now to come and discuss this and you flatly refuse-come to my page please. GrazingshipIV 05:15, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I have never seen somebody so bent on third part intervention but there it is nope. good night. GrazingshipIV 05:24, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
No, I don't use IRC. I hate having it pop up all the time when I'm logged on. In fact, I've never set up IRC on any computer I've ever used. RickK | Talk 07:00, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please check Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Hcheney so you can make an informed decision on my Request for Adminship -- Hcheney 17:37, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hcheney has come clean with some truths regarding GrazingshipIV. You may want to reconsider your Quickpoll vote. Kingturtle 00:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A Quickpoll is being held in regards to edits you recently made on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Kingturtle 05:04, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Quickpolls/archives. Looks like Graz was posting as himself while using his User:Information Koopa sock puppet. Which probably means User:TheBam is also him. I mean, who else is going to talk about "junta style attacks"? RickK | Talk 06:06, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Yeah I am going to attack my own page. Guys get a clue. I have already tried to come to the peace table which proves fruitless so I guess petty games is the order of the day huh? I do not create sockpuppets and once more you know that. At least your not accusing me of being one for Hcheney anymore. If you think either were me please take it to a developer. Juntaism is also smearing someone publically rickk. GrazingshipIV 06:18, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
The only person who ever accused you of being a sock puppet for Hcheney was Wik. RickK | Talk 06:19, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Try anthony and I beleive others voiced suspicions rather than accusations. GrazingshipIV 06:22, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I have read through your discussion here after seeing the request for mediation. As I understand things, you are both willing to accept mediation but can not agree on the method? Is your only option using this talk page? Do you have any opinions on who should mediate? Tuf-Kat 20:26, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
--- Hello, King, I wish to act as Mediator between you and User:GrazingshipIV, because i really want to assist both of you in resolving your dispute, thank you -- Plato 05:48, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just messaged Bcorr in resposne to your statement. I can do it today (26th) in the afternoon if you can. GrazingshipIV 06:31, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you revert the arbitration page? The message board has no meaningful content and has a prominent notice on it stating that it is inactive. UninvitedCompany 18:45, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have established a topic on the Mediation board to conduct the mediation here: http://boards.wikimedia.org/viewtopic.php?t=66
Please read through what I have posted and reply so that we can begin the process. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 04:29, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I was just wondering about your revert in One-hit wonders in the United States. It wasn't just one person's edit that was affected by it and I was wondering what was the invalid data. Was the Dashboard Confessional edit? The Cathy Carr edit? or the Debbie/Debby Boone edit? Thanks.
What is it with 209.86.5.214 making a bunch of actor stubs and leaving them for us to clean up? Can we do anything about this? DryGrain 09:09, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I enjoyed your negative on my admin nomintaion. First time in a while I've been "praised with faint damns." ;-) Best, Cecropia 18:08, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
In order to comment on the mediation page bcorr created you must first "register" use your name "kingturtle" and whatever other information you wish to disclose. After registering you simply log in and post your statement. GrazingshipIV 18:59, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)
As someone who protected it, can you tell me what is going on with this page? I couldn't really figure out what the deal was from Talk. The links looked fine to me, but Wik wants them gone and deletes them on site. I assume his objection is the website, but it seems entries for other Wiki projects are de rigueur for Wikipedia, regardless of perceived quality. I wasn't really trying to involve myself in a conflict, but it looks like I did. -- V V 00:11, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is the page important enough to justify protection? I find the editing pattern on the unprotected page to provide fascinating insight for the personalities involved. :-) -- UninvitedCompany
I am away until Sunday - shall look into it then. Morwen 06:41, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)
Please remove your listing of Wikipedia:Offensive User Names Havers Club from WP:VFD and place it on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion instead.-- Jia ng 20:51, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Please delete Systems Thinking. Thank you. - Woodrow 22:08, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Your deletion on the Kevin Smith reference was sort of where I was heading in my edit to that reference. I was certainly struck that handballing was in fact public knowledge well before the movie, hence my edit to say it entered modern pop culture instead. Upon reflect (prompted by your deletion) I concur that it is a POV and I should have removed it myself, instead of modifying it and trying to make it less a definitive statement about it entering public knowledge (which is demonstratively false). Good call. Lestatdelc 23:51, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, if you're still awake User:Zap! is moving around a bunch of pages like Wikipedia:Cleanup -> Wikipedia:Antiguck. Cecropia 07:05, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I understand why you blocked the Karl Marx page. However, if you look at the talk pages I think you will see that resolution of the problem on the talk page won't happen. Basically, TDC is taking a point of view taken by no historian who specializes on Marx. There has been lengthy discussion of why, which he has ignored. He added his views -- his personal views, I believe -- to the article. I added the views of most scholars, and cited two authoritative biographers of Marx. TDC deleted what I added, which initiated the revert war between him and 172 on April 4. Although I was not involved in that I want to point out that 172 was merely restoring content I had added, that TDC was deleting against the bulk of discussion on the talk page. I have asked Mav to consider blocking TDC, personally I think he ought to be banned (he also wrote a vulgar attack of me on my user page; so I know I have a personal bias aside from my problems with his contempt for scholarship or dialogue among contributers on the Marx page). I ask you to consider this as an alternative to protecting that page. Slrubenstein
Thanks so much for the admin nomination. You might have noticed by now that I declined this time around. I am delighted, though; there are so many users and contributors here and I usually feel so anonymous (which in some cases might be a good thing, I suppose). It's nice to be noticed, appreciated, and trusted! Elf | Talk 05:29, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed already, I hope I've answered your question appropriately at the Reference Desk :) HTH Dysprosia 05:51, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
You expressed interest in the front page layout on Talk:Main page. Could you please vote in the poll there? Thanks, silsor 07:25, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I moved your question here in case you hadn't seen the response yet as the village pump was a bit overcrowded. Angela . 00:03, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
Ah, poor KingTurtle! King, are you a merrikin? West Coast or East Coast? Because I bet that has something to do with us stepping on each others' toes. It's amazing--I think it's twice now--that we manage to be doing the exact same thing at the exact same time! (And coming up with totally different stuff!) :) Stupid edit conflicts! :) jengod 17:46, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)
I agree. However, we can at least try to keep I am sexy from trying to arbitrarily define policy towards its own benefit when it gets unblocked later tonight. - Woo d row , Emperor of the United States 19:27, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I'm sorry you don't like my new signature. (No sarcasm or condescension - just wanted to make that clear) I am very fond of it. I don't see your difficulty in clicking on the talk page portion as a good reason to revert since the former signature had no talk page link. I'd suggest that you feel free to click on any portion of the signature as if it were the former standard signature that puts you only on the user page and then you select "Discuss this page". Ok? - Tεx τ urε 19:41, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks a lot for featuring my Suikinkutsu article on the main page (in the section "Did you know ..."). You completely made my day when I went online to check Wikipedia! Yeehaaa! -- chris_73 00:58, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi, can you see your way to supporting Congo Free State as a featured article? I've done some work on it since your last comments. Thanks. Markalexander100 03:43, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Could you please put User:Augusta (a sockpuppet of Cantus) to a quickpoll, he reverted Shnorrer 4 times in a few minutes. -- Wik 08:12, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
Addendum: Cantus himself now reverted Mongolia 4 times. Quickpoll him too. -- Wik 08:20, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
This was the first article I posted. You rewrote it within hours. Thanks. The style manual etc have the theory you showed just what the theory means and how much padding I was using. But I am a politician - I'm used to using lots of words to convey a little information.
garryq 11:54, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hail King of Turtles! I see you added Galileo to Template:April 12 selected anniversaries. However, the event you mentioned does not appear in the Galileo Galilei article. That article in fact says that his trial started on June 22, 1633 - yet Template:April 12 selected anniversaries says that he was convicted on April 12, 1633. Could you sort this out and update the pages that need to be updated? -- mav 22:46, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Mav, I see the error in my ways! I lifted that bit from the April 12 page, assuming it was correct. But it is only partially correct. I will make the necessary corrections. Here are the references I am using:
Sincerely, Kingturtle 23:20, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I would appreciate your help by earning your vote as an admin. I have been here about 5 months now and have been nominated. I have made many contributions and have improved on my editing and behavior. I take this seriously, that is why I have gotten into it with Anthony so much. You can look at my user page yourself and see my contribtions. I would appreciate a vote in the yes column if you agree. Again, thanks for your time and help. ChrisDJackson 02:34, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
It appears to have hit the U.K. charts in March 1980. One would not expect it to have reached the charts in the U.S. until after that. That would make it a hit of the 1980's. -- Dominus 18:44, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Please see Congo Free State on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Your comments on the article's talk page seem to have been addressed. Thanks, 172 22:14, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, thanks for your reaction on the Jim Thorpe nomination at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates.
Could point out which parts of the text you consider to be POV? I'd like to work on improving the article. Jeronimo 06:49, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Dear Kingturtle:
First at all, I would like to thank for your help in cleaning up my baseball collaborations. Right now, Chico Carrasquel & Tony Armas looks better after you did it.
In addition, you advised me that I should get some Wiki standards. It's right. I started editing Wikipedia on March 30, 2004 ( Wallace Davenport), so I'm a wiki-one-month-old almost, but I'm still learning and working in it.
Basically, I am a reader, not a writer, and my main language is Spanish (some Italian and Portuguese too). Due to this, I know that sometimes my English looks some strange, but no problem. If necessary (a friend hand always is necessary) "someday someone will come along and make that new article", according your own words.
At this point, I'm sorry about disturbing some people that used intimidating advices about my collaborations. I know that some of the pages I've worked need a help. If you know anything about these subjects, please lend a hand. These are generally things I just don't know enough about to edit in English. If you can fix one up, please mention it on my talk page. I can remember that the baseball philosopher Yogi Berra said "The game's isn't over until it's over." The wiki articles neither. I try to do the best I can. Reading your note is like having a conversation with a friend.
Thanks for your fast and polite response. MusiCitizen 14:57, Apr 16, 2004 (UTC)
...I appreciate it. Dpbsmith 10:21, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I originally typed my reason, but then censored it before I pressed save. I don't think it's appropriate to say what my reservations are but equally, I thought I should say I have some. If you can think of a way of rewording it to make that clear, please do. Angela . 19:49, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
It's weird coming back after 6 months... so much new stuff to get to grips with. You seem to have most of it on your user page, so thanks again! -- Jim Regan 06:05, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Go to Talk:2003. Look at the bottom. At the rate it is currently going, it should be down to 0 by the fall of 2004. Am I correct?? 66.32.69.46 22:51, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Sorry I had to list your article for deletion, seems completely irrelevant and not inherently not neutral to me. Also, I think that GWB has committed such serious crimes that attacking him for his language is ridiculous. Get-back-world-respect 18:02, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, I was looking through Requests for Adminship earlier and saw that you have opposed a few people for having too few edits. I was just wondering what you think is an acceptable minimum number of edits, or minimum edits per time period or whatever for someone to be considered for adminship? On RfA Meelar asks the same question but I can't find an answer on your or their talk page or on the talk page for RfA, although by now your answer could of course have been archived.
Cheers -- Ams80 10:17, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
There's been a lot of discussion regarding your 3000+ standard for adminship. I don't agree with your standard -- but if you believe it's an appropriate bar, then I encourage you to keep voting according to that belief. I don't think you should conform your standards to match the majority, in this case; I think the presence of distinct opinions ensures that the process surrounding adminship remains a lively discussion, and not simply a "confirmation hearing." More often than not, you and I will probably be on opposite sides -- but I encourage you to vote according to your beliefs. Cribcage 23:26, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
Please stop redirecting the page. I'm trying to create a disambig page to distinguish between the current facility, the Saddam facility and the town of Abu Ghuraib. Please leave the page alone until I'm finished. AndyL 23:08, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
and the only President to have married a pregnant woman.
Hi. I did some checking and asked my boss. First, see Goering's defense summarized in Persico, p. 271. Also, Telford Taylor's The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials is supposedly the best book out there. I am taking it home with me tonight. Let me know if I can find you any more information. Danny 14:16, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has referred the issues of Anthony's reverts and alleged trolling to the mediation committee. It's been suggested that you may have an interest in this matter so, if you would like to be involved in mediation on these issues please leave a message at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation. Regards -- sannse (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2004 (UTC) (mediation committee).
Sorry about that -- it was an edit conflict. You fixed it before I realized. (Hate edit conflicts.) –Hajor 00:32, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I did know of those messages, but it's just that I didn't think of them until I had made most of the edits. Dori | Talk 04:06, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, can you resysop User:Merovingian; he's back from his little vacation. -- Seth Ilys 02:57, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
Good feedback: You did a good job mentioning a radio station at WSSU
Bad feedback: Your link is WSSU (radio), not WSSU-FM or WSSU-AM. Please change it to whichever one of these it is. 66.245.117.53 23:45, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, didnt mean to ignore you. I just think that its more important that the information is availible, than that the format is correct. one of the great things about wikipedia is that many hands make light work. Some people enjoy formatting, others enjoy writing articles, I enjoy working on space related articles. Its better for somone to find an unformatted arcticle that contains the information that they need than to find nothing at all. Also, if you look over the articles that ive posted, youll see that a good portion of them have been wikified. See list of astronauts by name
It's okay - I wasn't offended. We clearly come at the question of "what is appropriate to be included in Wikipedia" from widely different perspectives, but it's probably a good thing that people come at this from different perspectives. I will admit that as a user of Wikipedia, some of my greatest enjoyment has come out of reading articles on silly things like the Official Monster Raving Loony Party as much as from the more academic stuff. But I still think it's important to prevent wikipedia from becoming full of insignificant vanity articles. YMMV - Atlantium, at least, probably falls into a gray area. john 06:05, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
Your addition of a picture San Juan, Puerto Rico was most appriciated. If you have any other sigtings please share them with us. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 10:27, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
Do you want to make some comments at Talk:Augusto Pinochet#Another poll? 172 15:15, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Emergency, Mayday, Wiki Wiki
Mayday! Dear Kingturtle, the WikiRepublic is in danger! Wikipolice make their coup d'êtat! Please add your voice and come help John
here wiki wiki. Thank you ! - Yours, -
irismeister 17:25, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
PS - The images are just amazing. I have a collection of two hundred more portraits (mainly ophthalmologists, granted) at various resolutions. Bravo !
You have -again- deleted important, verifiable, reasonable information from the Nick Berg page, referring visitors to the conspiracy theory page. You have done this without justifying yourself, without adding any comment on the talk page. There are two things which must be in the main article, and must not be labelled as conspiracy theory:
I am a reasonable person. I try to avoid edit wars, and always look for compromise solutions. I have no time for conspiracy theories. And I deplore the unilateral, uncompromising and unaccountable way in which you made these edits. Please explain yourself. pir 20:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, good work with the Kerry article. I think you deleted a lot of non-encyclopedic stuff, which is good. I would not have dared to do it because some here feel so hot about that article that they even reverted me several times when I tried to bring some reason into the section about the wounds and reduced the mentionings of Brice Lalonde and opium to an acceptable number.
Something else, would you be interested in a project about learning that I describe on my page and that is discussed on my talk page? Get-back-world-respect 13:04, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
The page in question is [2]
In the section "Outside Views," User:Danny wrote: "This is ridiculous. Censuring someone who actually knows the material because some ignorant fuck who has never read a book in his life doesnt approve of it and wants to post his own ill-informed opinion will be the death of Wikipedia," and signed. User:Hephaestos signed under the text "Users who endorse this summary", and then User:Mirv signed below Heph, though his sig appears as "No-one Jones."
HTH. It seemed out of character for Mirv, but perhaps he was emboldened by the previous two sigs. Regrettably, I've said similar things, both here and in real life, as have most people, and I don't think it's a serious enough mistake to merit the degree of attention it has already received. After all, no one seems to be taking Danny or Heph to task over it. - UninvitedCompany
- - Kingturtle, I strongly urge you to stop vandalizing the Nick Berg conspiracy theories page. Over and over again you have done reverts and had reverts done on your behalf, at least a dozen times yesterday, which is a clear violation of wikipedia policy. Why are you so unwilling to compromise? Why do you insist on slandering Arabs by saying they wipe their ass with their hand? Have you no shame, Kingturtle? Why are you making a mockery of wikipedia? How are you in a position to not only get your unsupported claims into that page, but then to get the pages protected after you are humiliated in the talk pages? Kingturtle, you need to grow up and quit playing this childish game. I'm sorry you were fooled by the hoax, and you can not admit you were fooled, but give the rest of the world a chance to make up their own minds, don't try like hell (as you have been doing) to convince other people that this hoax is real. If you can't let the evidence stand on its own, then why the hell are you here? Is this entry just your place to show your ass or to show how gullible you are or what? Energybone 14:42, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
Energybone,
I can’t believe I have to take time out of my day to build a case to defend my actions regarding Nick Berg conspiracy theories. You obviously have not looked closely at my edits. If you took the time to exam my edits of this article, you would see that:
In regards to your questions, here are my answers:
Now I have some questions for you. I want each one answered with statements. Do not answer questions with questions. Do not give one word answers.
Lastly, you say that I reverted the same article "at least a dozen times yesterday" – when in actuality, I reverted three times yesterday, which is within the limits of Wikipedia standards.
Cheers, Kingturtle 22:59, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
Hey Kingturtle, I noticed you put this note on my page but not 172's. Is there a difference you perceive which warrants this? Also, please see my comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/VeryVerily for an explanation of my view on such edit wars. V V 07:56, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
Hey Kingturtle, it has been a couple months since the last nomination. I have worked hard and have done good work without having any edit wars. Would you nominate me now? Thanks for you concern!
ChrisDJackson 23:50, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi KT, an admin needs to look at the contribs from User:168.103.232.64 made over the past couple of days. They indicate copy vio. I left a query for him about it on User talk:168.103.232.64 but he hasn't responded (but subseqently edited the item I was referring to, Bullet Joe Rogan). Cheers. Moriori 02:08, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hello Kingturtle, on May 22 you objected against making "Zeppelin" a featured article. I have tried to address the issue you brought forward, but your negative comment has remained unchanged and is still counted as an objection. Would you please consider to review the article and update your judgement, so that the article can either be further enhanced, or become featured? Thanks in advance. -- J.Rohrer 22:29, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Moriori is lying to you as he has to nearly every other user I've come across, probably because of a political disagreement that we had. Please read the African American Registry's article on Turkey Stearnes and you will see that there is actually very little similarity between their article and mine. Thank you. User: Felix F. Bruyns
Hello. I've replied briefly to your query from last year, but you may have moved on from there (though I don't see it among your interests). Happy hunting! Robin Patterson 20:11, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This is pretty funny. Maybe this is cause for some original research? ;) Mark Richards 01:07, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Message for you at Wikipedia talk:Vandalbot log entries -- Tim Starling 01:27, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)
I see you removed the pro/anti/satire Kerry links, and I agree with your reasoning. Shouldn't the same be done with Bush links? -- Cecropia | Talk 00:55, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The photo you uploaded for Jake Beckley (the baseball card) is for the wrong player; I couldn't help thinking it didn't seem like a really appropriate image anyway, lacking his famous mustache - and the fact it was dated 1911 (after he retired) really got me looking further at it. It seems you accidentally picked a card for Jack Beckley (a minor league player), who's listed adjacent to Jake in the source archive you used; the two cards they display for Jake are really grainy and longer shots, not really useful here. I'll drop the image from his page, though I'll leave it to you to decide how to handle the image page itself. MisfitToys 00:37, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
I can't decide if your calling me "competent" is a simple statement of my ability to perform the fairly automated task of promotion to admin, or a more subtle "damning with faint praise". :-) I know we have widely differing opinions concerning who is and isn't qualified for admin (though I certainly respect and understand your position, and I hope I've never bashed you publically for it). I just wanted to make sure there isn't anything you're concerned about. Perhaps my private definition of competent ("C average" ability...simply adequate...not remarkably able in any way) is a little harsher than yours. :-) Thank you for the vote of support, of course -- I just want to be certain that you don't have any reservations you're holding back. Have a good day, Jwrosenzweig 17:04, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Just wanted to thank you for the major revision on terrorism. That work had been needed for a long time, but I could never get up the energy and enthusiasm to tackle it. The article is much improved now. Isomorphic 01:22, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I see the Paul Is Dead vandal is back. I already banned his previous address (briefly - it's an AOL proxy) as it also did some obvious vandalism, but there doesn't seem to be much point in blocking him again. As I'm off on holiday for a while, could you keep a weather eye on that page, and make sure Paul doesn't remain too dead for too long. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:38, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Why, is there something you wish to discuss? Lirath Q. Pynnor
Hi there! Just a short note to let you know that your vote in my favour in last week's sysop election meant a lot to me. Wikipedia is the most exciting internet project that I've ever touched, and I have great dreams for its future. I feel honoured to be able to participate in a small way in building it. Thank you so much for voting for me. David Cannon 10:39, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am searching for the correct person to address this issue: The infobox on terrorism lists Islamic .. rather than Islamist .., which I believe is a more precise and respectful label. That way it is possible to distinguish the adjective ( Islamic ) for a religious group from the adjective (Islamist) for a political group with an agenda. That puts the label more in line with the ism article as well. I realize that involves some page moves as well. Ancheta Wis 18:56, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Maybe you can help find a problem here - Mattingly23 has been adding a number of bio articles for baseball players, but for some reason the pages seem to link to themselves (they're always listed under "What links here" for their own pages). Neither of us can figure out what he's doing to cause this, but it's somewhat annoying. Any ideas on what the problem is and how to prevent it? MisfitToys 23:41, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
I've posted a reply to your question about revealing Deep Throat's identity at Talk:Deep Throat (Watergate). Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 15:58, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
I've posted a reply to your question about revealing Deep Throat's identity at Talk:Deep Throat (Watergate). Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 15:58, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
Alright, sorry about that. I thought that only applied to content - I merely moved about the whitespace. Newbie admin mistake. – Andre ( talk) 00:51, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
There is a survey regarding a disputed paragraph in the PNAC article that you might be interested in. Kevin Baas | talk 19:31, 2004 Oct 17 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man ( comment) ( talk)[[]] 23:46, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Aloha. I am the process of disambiguating AINA, and trying to fix what links here. The link on your User page should be changed to AINA (ngo). Thanks in advance. -- Viriditas 05:46, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hey! I'm not sure why you reverted my changes, but I didn't touch anything substantive that you did. I just erased the top of the article, which was nothing more than a repetition of the septembercalendar section and about 15 events that were duplicative. I've re-erased them. Katefan0 22:21, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you revert the recent additions on numbering in this article? After looking at whitehouse.gov and carefully counting the names a few times, it appears that this information is correct. Our article on Grover Cleveland even seems to say the same thing. - RedWordSmith 04:33, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you revert 151.200.182.26 vote tally update on Ralph Nader? I ask because s/he also updated Green Party (United States) and U.S. presidential election, 2004, so if his numbers are wrong, those should be looked into as well. RadicalSubversiv E 07:23, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry about the edit war brewing at Dimebag Darrell but it is correct that all dates should be linked. To quote the page you mentioned in your last edit summary ( Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)):
To allow users to choose their date preference all dates should be linked, overriding the standard rule of not linking the same thing repeatedly. violet/riga (t) 22:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Have the quotations removed from Villain been incorporated into Wikiquote? I don't know a great deal about editing Wikiquote myself, or how the cross referencing system that perhaps should be there ought to work; but if it is possible to put one of the tags that says that Wikiquote has a set of quotations by or about villains, it might be valuable to put it on the Villain page itself. -- Smerdis of Tlön 02:45, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Cite sources. :-) Johnleemk | Talk 09:44, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I added the section explaining the procedure, which nobody ever seems to be able to do fairly. I feel an image is important to explaining any complex procedure, and it's so rarely found in any objective literature on the subject. You removed the "POV" image as biased because it shows the baby as normal and healthy. I don't think that's true (the image is pretty simplistic, the most I could tell was that it was a fetus, a catheter, a birth canal and a doctor) but I rooted around trying to find an image. Unfortunately all of the abortion provider sites neglect to provide such images (it would be a bit like a meat pacvking company showing us how sausage is made or how chickens live) and it's difficult to find an unbiased abortion opponent's image. I found a heavily cropped version on somebody's home page, and I'm adding it in.
Please do not remove the image; please simply replace it with one more to your liking if you find this one unacceptable. Hell, draw your own if you want. I feel our inability to deal with the images of abortion maturely and objectively is linked to the controversy itself and I'd like if wikipedia offered a thorough, rigorous view on this and every subject. It's aggravating enough having to deal with pro-choice people who often want to ignore the science and pro-life people who rarely address the science in objective terms.
Please work with me to add an image you find appropriate. I'd like to take away the subject from the screaming fanatics on both sides and explain it in a direct, scientific context. Cwelsch 13:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering why you removed Abraham Lincoln from the debated section of List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people. Another user has restored him to the list but I was wondering if you actually disputed the fact that his sexuality is debated. There is a section on this in the article about him.
I'd like to thank you for what you've done with List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people. There's a difference between "rumored" and "debated", and that list should reflect that. - ℘yrop (talk) 06:05, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I've started WikiProject New York City, and from your edits it seems you might be interested. See its talk page for the beginning of a discussion on the standardization of neighborhood names, and bringing New York City up to featured status.-- Pharos 13:44, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind note. If you have time, we need to check all the article links to Chickenhawk to see which should be changed to avoid the dab page. I'm starting at the top, so if you want to start at the bottom and work up, we won't trip over each other. JamesMLane 23:01, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Addendum: Well, I got to the end of the list, changing all the article links except the one in Vietnam War. I'm not familiar with Mason's book, so I think it's safer to let that reference link to the dab page, so the reader can see the possible meanings. In titling his book Chickenhawk, Mason may have intended some ambiguity. JamesMLane 23:40, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your motivation. I wish you enjoy it. Good luck, and have you a happy new year. MusiCitizen 05:04, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Why have you moved pages on pieces by Beethoven from things like Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) to things like Symphony_No._5_in_C_minor,_Opus_67 (Beethoven)? As far as I can see, this just makes it harder to link directly to these articles (I for one don't know the opus numbers of pieces without looking them up) and brings no compensatory benefit. See also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (pieces of music). -- Camembert
I've thought about it for a bit, and I'm just going to move them all back and change the linkage at List of works by Beethoven (see Talk:List of works by Beethoven for my thinking on this). I know this just undoes what you did, but article titles should be as simple as possible so long as they accurately convey what the article is about and are not ambiguous. I really see no point in moving Fidelio to Fidelio, Opus 72c (Beethoven), for example (especially when other operas and pieces by other composers are not named this way). -- Camembert
Hello, I will be making edits to the Gore page very often. I happen to know Mr. Gore and own a website that covers him, so it will be updated very often and will inform you of what is being edited: http://www.algoresupportcenter.com/ ChrisDJackson
I don't do IRC, so I have no idea what's being said about me, but I can just imagine. RickK 04:21, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I noticed your comment at Talk:Genealogy. A family history wiki seems like a great idea, doesn't it? I don't know how to set up a wiki, but I thought I'd let you know I'm interested in the idea and I'd most likely participate in one! -- Sam
You've something against it, have you? "add newer articles at the beginning, delete from end". -- user:zanimum
I added a paragraph on the subject as per your want ad on WikiMoney and I wanted to get your approval before I collect on it. Kent Wang 01:06, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I reverted the changed you made to the requested articles page, w/ respect to the geography requests. It was decided on the talk pages to have as few subpages as possible. →Raul654 00:32, Jan 18, 2004 (UTC)
Where did you get the number of 22,000 US wounded in Iraq? RickK 04:31, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Thank you for reverting my vandalism. Sorry, I was being an idiot. I shan't do it again. :(
Oops... I must be going on an "illegal protected pages editing streak"... revert my typo edit in your user page if you'd like, I did not realize it was protected, sorry. ugen64 02:35, Feb 6, 2004 (UTC)
I got your note re: user:Lir. *sigh* And he was doing so well...
Guess I'll have to look into this. -- Uncle Ed 15:30, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hehe, I did a couple of page previews trying to get it right and that was the best I could come up with. ;) -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:04, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for re-nominating U.S. Electoral College. :) Maybe I should have more confidence in my nominations. I still think the article could use more history, but what's currently there is very thorough. -- Minesweeper 08:52, Feb 11, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, Kingturtle, for supporting my adminship nomination and for your very kind comments... - Seth Ilys 15:37, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I just gave you two of my WikiThingies because you make good use of them and ran out, and generally do an all around great job. -- Infrogmation 16:51, 15 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, I just wanted to make sure you noticed that one of our anonymous Bostonians has returned to Talk:Curse of the Bambino. I've fought my fight there, and have gladly deferred to your opinions about the article: I trust you're up to defending it from vandalism, should that occur again. Once was enough for me. :) I wish you luck, Jwrosenzweig 17:04, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
You wrote:# The question at hand is steeped in POV rhetoric. I can barely decipher what it is intending to say.
Kingturtle 01:06, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
To answer your question, it is intending to ask exactly what it seems to be asking. Your remark seems intended to suggest that my question is impossible to take at face value, and I object to this. Perhaps what you mean is that the question is designed to serve a particular political agenda? Fair point. Or perhaps you mean that it is a trivially simple question, because the answer not only strikes you as obvious, but also useless, in the sense that you see it as impossible to objectively determine whether a person is "notoriously obstinate and uncompromising"? One could make that argument. Well, so go ahead and state the point and make the arguement. I don't mind if you or anyone wants to express opposition to my project. I just find a lot of people are doing so in ways that I regard as insidiously and unfairly damaging to my reputation. 168...| ...Talk 01:42, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
"Red" is POV. "Up" is POV. "Cold" is POV. "Assume a perfect sphere" is not POV. "POV" is not helping to say anything here. From my POV, people here throw that term around much more than is conducive to good communication, not to mention it's a slur in Wikipedia culture. When you said the words I wrote are POV, I think what you meant was what I wrote above in elaborating "trivial."
"My project" is to soften the ideology here, to get people to see the rules as evolving guidelines instead of the articles of a constitution, to get people to notice the inconsistencies between our values and the particular articulation of certain rules that we have now and to move the organization in a direction that enables it to either get rid of or reform people like Lir, who waste enormous amounts of person hours, cause enormous amounts of aggravation, scare enormously valuable people away, enormously diminish the quality of articles and enormously slow the pace of the production of a high quality encyclopedia. Somewhat paradoxically, I would also like people to see the susceptibility of this system to mob psychology, rash and unfair judgments and the mistreatment of individuals. 168...| ...Talk 02:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't think that you were at all misguided about objecting to decisions being made on WikiEN-L, when they should be made much more transparently and openly on the Wiki itself. Although it's not a huge issue, the current situation certainly creates the impression of a cabal of decision makers who act and move above and outside the rest of us... (not that I believe that's what's happening, just that that's what it might look like). -- Seth Ilys 04:30, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Thank you so much for bringing up the issue of WikiEn-L. I have been frustrated for quite some time with the mailing list, and more recently with the IRC channel. These have together become the only places where project-related decisions are being discussed and made. Some prominent users have gone so far as to delete or move any sort of project-related content placed on the wiki itself. The official line is that the "meta" is the appropriate place for such discussion, but since few active sysops follow the meta, it is difficult to have meaningful discussion there.
The trouble with the mailing list is twofold. First, as you point out, it is not practical to participate casually for many people, particularly those who do not have an e-mail address that is suitable for such use. I have tried to partcipate via hotmail in the past, and it is such an enormous nuisance that it's hardly worth it. Second, the list is very time consuming to follow. At this point there are roughly 20 useless posts for each insightful one. This is an inherent problem in large mailing lists and has occured on each of the dozen or so lists I've participated in over the years.
So, I agree that the list is bad. Shutting it down won't help; what is needed is a better place for the discussion to move to, such as a prominent wiki; even the meta would work if a consensus were reached that it should indeed be the focus of discussion.
And thank you for removing your request from the "requests for arbitration" page. We at the arbitration committee are not empowered to address policy changes, which is what this is. They are, for good or ill, the responsibility of the community.
Best wishes in this endeavour, and let me know if I can help. UninvitedCompany 15:29, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Did you really mean to unprotect those pages....seems that the protect notice has been removed while the pages are still protected. There has been next to no discussion regarding the pages...might be better to leave the protected till the discussion happens OneVoice 02:55, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Congo Free State has been cleaned up. Would you be willing to change your vote on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates? 172 09:18, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Peerage has an extended introduction. Please inform me if anything further is required. -- Emsworth 21:53, Feb 21, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, you voted on the issue of whether 168... should be desysoped. Following this, he was temporarily desysopped. Please participate in the new vote as to whether that temporary desysopping should now be reversed until the committees can deal with it properly. Thank you. Angela . 00:45, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
Hi,
I've added a testimonial from you to Wikipedia:Press releases/February 2004. If you would prefer to be quoted by real name, or if you would prefer not to be quoted at all, please edit accordingly. —Eloquence 05:03, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
It is much better quality than http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/a/a2/Tom_jefferson_color.JPG--I agree, but Tom_Jefferson_color.JPG is not on the Jefferson page, except as a link. Did you mean to suggest replacing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Thomas.jpg? jengod 05:33, Feb 24, 2004 (UTC)
In a belated response to User_talk:Darkelf#Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration, could you please tell me what you mean? I am involved with that page both as a possible defendee (Wik vs Darkelf), and as someone who is providing data against User:Wik. What formal request should I make? Thanks, Jo r 19:45, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)
As I have said in the image info and other places I have gotten permission from the photographer via email. -20:00, 25 Feb 2004 ChrisDJackson
Hi, Kingturtle ! Care to offer me some advice on the current arbitration against me ? - In any event I wish you well and remain a Hustler-aged dirty old man, passionate for matters of truth - Happy editing - irismeister 00:27, 2004 Feb 27 (UTC)
Re today's main page: "battered" is no better than "assaulted." If Johnson abused or shouted at or argued with Pearson, then that is what the page should say. "Battered" means "pummelled with his fists" (or "covered with batter"). Adam 02:13, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Well no, because "to batter" has a specific meaning, it means "to strike with the fists." If LBJ grabbed Pearson and slammed him into a wall, then he "assaulted" him or (better) "physically assaulted" him. I think this needs to be made specific because it is rather unusual for heads of government to physically assault each other. Adam 03:03, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The community information backlinks are deprecated because the new community main page makes the community information directory obsolete. See Wikipedia talk:Main Page. -- Michael Snow 23:20, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)
You have been given Wikipedia:Bureaucrat status. -- Infrogmation 16:41, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, is there any reason you removed the (plus those supporting "all sysops" in the above category) notes from RFA? I only voted in the all sysops category. I don't want to have to vote in every other category as well, but now this note is removed, my vote might not be counted. Angela . 03:46, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)
You should probably keep images to 300px at most, since 400px will occupy more than half the screen in 800X600 browsers. -- Jia ng 02:09, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I nominated myself: surely that counts as me confirming I want sysop status? -- Graham :) 08:16, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please come vote at the new poll on Wikipedia_talk:Mailing_lists. -- Seth Ilys 21:46, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Relax a bit. His first registered contribution was on Feb 20, he has been contributing for 11 days only. You might want to talk with him privately on his talk page. Take a deep breath and re-read Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. :) <3 -- Maio 02:49, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Though I appreciate that the 'thumb' format is a de facto standard by virtue of being the one coded in, I don't think that it looks anywhere near as good as the structure you replaced with it. It doesn't fit with, well, any of the pages, and certainly not
Rhode Island (and all the other countries/flora/fauna/vehicle/&c. pages with a standardised
info box), where a thin black border around a white box is established as a standard.
However, I won't just revert to the previous version, as such action would be rude, especially so due to this being a diversion from established policy... Instead, I seek your comments. Thoughts?
James F.
(talk) 11:59, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Second Treaty of Thorn is still protected from editing. -- Minesweeper 07:34, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
hello. Yesterday, i was looking for you on irc, because I wished you to explain to me why you unprotected DNA. There is no chance that this goes in the right direction. No agreement has been found on the talk page or privately; All I fear is a new edit war or that one of the sysop makes a new wrong move. I regret to say that the unprotection is likely to be the way toward more problems. I fear that me saying "we ought to do something" was interpretated by "we should unprotect the page". Nothing was farther from my feeling :-( If you see that it goes in the wrong direction, please protect it again. If you need a request from someone, hell, I request its protection. ant
Thanks for image info, KT. Incidentally, this page is at 40K now Jim
Kingturtle, if no one else is going to try to stifle his actions, I have to. He is singling me out and it is very irritating. It seems that there is no one that will try to contain him. Look at all the edit wars he has caused. Plus he has done this to you along with others. I think the word prick is precisley what he is going by the first definition on here: http://www.google.com/search?q=define:prick
Why will no one ban him or do something for his irritating behavior? ChrisDJackson 01:26, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, Anthony continues to disrupt the Earth in the Balance page by removing an important link. The link is to a chapter by chapter compendium of the book. He also keeps reverting the RFK page which the material I used is not copyrighted. Help! ChrisDJackson 23:43, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi! I think the 1729 (number) business has gone on long enough, and I reckon I'm the Wikipedian (and certainly the sysop) with the best background on this. So I'd like to 'impose' a solution, that seems to me most 'encyclopedic'.
Charles Matthews 12:06, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
That worked well - briefly. A hornet's nest. If you could 'take back' the protection for 1729 (number) and 1729 (anecdote), that would spare me some questioning of my actions, admin-wise.
Charles Matthews 17:12, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Please try to avoid using copy and paste to move pages, as it loses page history. I've sorted out Great Mississippi Flood... Morwen 20:14, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)
Gadzooks, sir! I found the article on Issei Sagawa and moved to edit it, only to discover you'd already done so. You move quickly, and I applaud your capable scissors. Denni 23:01, 2004 Mar 7 (UTC)
Thanks Kingturtle. We deleted it accidentally! Owen&rob 23:52, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No. I did not post the same message on Stevertigo's page. Kingturtle 03:24, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. However, I did act fairly and post a similar message to Stevertigo before you asked me that question. The message was not the same message, however. It was a different one, but made the same recommendation. :) Kingturtle 03:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thank you - I was just consulting the proposed Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks article, at which I delivered an incantation. I will go purify myself now by doing minor proofreads, and drinking the other recommended 7 daily cups of water. ;) - SV (talk) 03:27, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The article has been altered as per your suggestion on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. What do you think of it now? Please make your comment on the W:FAC page to keep things neat. -- Graham :) 22:23, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words, I'll see what I'll do about it. it 02:18, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Chris has not gotten better. Nearly every one of his submissions is blatant plagiarism. Anthony 04:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
See what I am talking about. He thinks that if I add a paragraph that is in question he automatically says that it is plagiarism. ChrisDJackson 04:36, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No, when you copy a paragraph from somewhere without identifying your source that is plagiarism. Anthony 04:49, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the pep talks all around. You are helping the situation a great deal. Thanks - Texture 04:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Wish us all luck. Chris is ok with non-copyright wording on this first disputed paragraph (or two) and Anthony has not objected. (Although I have not received any reply from repeated requests for comment, changes, or his own alternative.) I am going to unprotect it, ask Chris to move those (or similar non-copyright text) into the article, and ask him to add the next section of interest to the talk page. Any advice? - Texture 04:48, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing that I'm working away. :-) I tend to be so focused on what I'm doing that it's hard to look up and see what's going on out there. You made my evening by being someone who does notice. Nice to hear from someone else who started out in upstate new york and ended up out here in CA. Sleep--huh--sounds familiar--my current insomnia regimen actually prohibits me from climbing into bed until... golly, 11:15! That's 6 minutes from now! I'm outa here. Elf 07:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Wow! That Bird charactar seems to causing a lot of trouble. Unfortunately, I went to bed before I recieved your firefighting message. I did, however, revert a vandalism this morning (don't know if that was related to bird). Thanks for the notification and keep up the good work! Perl 15:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I got your message about the fire department. Sorry about not responding - you posted it at 1:24 AM (EST). I went to bed earlier than usual last night, so I didn't get the message until 9:30 this morning, by which time the crisis had passed. If I had been around, I definitely would have helped. →Raul654 18:04, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, King T; you just moved my RfA vote from Wesley to pfortuny in the course of your page-long update -- pls be careful. [1] +sj + 23:01, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)
You put your second message on the wrong user page. Anthony 23:50, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Kind of jumped the gun on Wesley and Pfortuny, didn't ya? By my reckoning, 17:12 UTC is still 3 hours in the future. On second thought, never mind -- <grin> -- they were both unanimous! :-) -- Uncle Ed 18:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Don't worry about it, tortoises are slow so the hare has to give you a head start ;-) -- Uncle Ed 21:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, just wanted to mention to you that you cut a comment of mine at RfA in voting on Academic Challenger--I'm sure it was unintentional, but I know when I do these things, I like to be told as a reminder to doublecheck things. Anyway, I've restored it, so not a big deal. Hope your day has gone well--thanks for all the work you do here, both in editing articles and helping to shape policy. Jwrosenzweig 01:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi, on the coin pictures should I email him myself for the images I use or are you going to do it all in a block? (I'm probably going to be grabbing a lot of the British ones this evening.) - Hephaestos| § 02:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I see in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates that you feel Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius needs further editing, but I have no idea what you would like to improve about it. Can you give me some indication, preferably on its talk page? -- Jmabel 07:41, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! You did great swapping out the stub on DYK. Just wanted to let you know you did good. jengod 00:29, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)
They are going to be as famous as the Razzies and i am proud to have inspired them... Muriel 00:21, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi, when you get a chance could you take a look at my comments on User:Dagestan? Thanks, Isomorphic 19:06, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
So it's OK to trust the judgment of admins, but not that of admin-developers? So you don't want "vigilante groups" (really an open quick consensus finding process) but you accept admins as a "vigilante group"? Please read the proposal again. There's nothing in it about waiting 24 hours. As soon as the required number of votes has been reached, and there's at least 80% agreement, whatever remedy has been proposed can be implemented. This can happen within minutes.
Let's say this proposal had been made by User:Jamesday (who in fact insisted on using a polling system), with the rationale "We need a system to deal with people like —Eloquence who will otherwise engage in vigilantism". Let's be honest here: Would you have opposed this proposal under such a scenario? And if not, would you kindly end your personal vendetta against me? —Eloquence
I'm glad to hear that. In that case, I do not understand why you so strenuously object to my allegedly "out of process" desysopping of 168... (not really out of process - I've desysopped other users before), who repeatedly violated the protection policy and quite clearly said so, while entrusting sysops with 24 hour bans (a much more drastic measure) without a need for prior community consultation. —Eloquence 01:19, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
A formal process takes place to graduate someone to being an admin, and therefore a formal process should take place to demote someone from being an admin. - like, say, a quickpoll? ;-) —Eloquence
Dear Kingturtle, can you watch over Anthony, i am going to sleep. See his latest edit to his evidence and he remove your comment from the talk page. I am starting to get sick of him. He is probably comming here to see what i wrote and add something... well. Cheers, Muriel 01:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please do not use reversions as a threat. Please do not use the threat of reversions as a ploy to blackmail another user into saying or doing what you want them too. I am referring directly to you saying to ChrisDJackson "state your sources and i'll stop reverting you." - Kingturtle 01:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please look at Anthony's evidence. He has a point. —Eloquence
Wait a second. Protecting Wikipedia:Matter of Anthony DiPierro evidence is absolutely unfair. Ban one or both of the people fighting over it, but you can't protect that page. Anthony DiPierro 02:37, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I would love to take some actions here, but my hands are tied. Are you still sure you object to that quickpolls idea? —Eloquence 02:41, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)
Hey, how's your journey through the bureaucracy going? ;-) I hope you understand my position a little better now. —Eloquence
Thanks, but my edits pale in comparison to your edit list. Iam 02:08, Mar 21, 2004 (UTC)
Hi KT, at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians you added User:Tucci528 (better known as User:TUF-KAT) and User:Vera Cruz (better known as User:Lir). Neither one is really missing. Maximus Rex 05:32, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
As you have now lost the vote, I am considering using arbitration to investigate whether you disobeyed the rules of wikipedia in calling for the vote (via Quickpoll). You never warned me or reiterated the three revert rules to a first time violator-so I will repeat a formerly asked question.
Do you feel you violated the rules of Wikipedia in creating the quickpoll? (why or why not)
If arbitration occurs this will be used
GrazingshipIV 03:58, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
Would you please explain why? GrazingshipIV 04:14, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I must announce my disappointment. I find it hard to resolve this problem if you refuse to communicate in any meaninful way with me. GrazingshipIV 04:24, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
As you wish ;) GrazingshipIV 04:30, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I am not feigning anything, I am attempting to resolve this and you are refusing to answer any of my legitimate questions. What would you have me do other than take you to arbitration? I admit I was upset when I wrote that e-mail and apologize if I offended you. I was upset because I then (like now) was not made aware of what I had done wrong nor given due process. GrazingshipIV 04:36, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I used if because I do not know whether you were offended or not, I can't know whats in your heart. It was not meant to be offensive it was meant to express how I felt.
Here is the deal I would like answers to the basic questions that I have previously asked. I would like those answers so I can better understand what happened. I do not want to go to arbitration to get them or to understand why you took actions that I see as wrongheaded. Just explain your reasons for doing what you did please. GrazingshipIV 04:47, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
It was a courtesey warning that if we could not resolve this anything you said would go along with my case to the committee. It was more of a 'heads up' then a threat. The title of the conversation is possible arbitration. I prefer mediation over arbitration any day of the week but, if need be I will submit the case. GrazingshipIV 05:03, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution recommends meditation before arbitration. Unlike some, I prefer to follow the rules. GrazingshipIV 05:13, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I'm referring to those who engage in vandalism, like the user I was trying to stop (in this case Anthony Dipierro). And after trying to stop him I was subject to, in my opinion, an illadvised vote that did not correspond to the stated policy. GrazingshipIV 05:26, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
This is my final attempt at mediation. Can you please explain to me the reasons you listed me on quickpolls? If you can just explain why you did it I will withdraw all matters that would be put before the committee. I think this is fair to ask of you and I think others will too. GrazingshipIV 17:16, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
As it is clear we cannot work our problems out one on one on suggest mediation. GrazingshipIV 03:55, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I would feel mediation in IRC chat would be best as I need real time in order to work out our obvious differences. This is within your capability. GrazingshipIV 03:59, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
As requested the mediation committee has been contacted. Please come with an open mind when it eventually happens. Although I would still prefer a private chat on IRC chat. GrazingshipIV 04:15, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Dude my computer sucks this takes forever. I am constantly getting edited over because of this computer. GrazingshipIV 04:28, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Why go to all that trouble? We are already having a conversation here. Kingturtle 04:38, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Will you just come on already and stop being difficult. You want to use a talk page Let's go. GrazingshipIV 04:41, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Can you at least compromise a little? I have compromised every step of the way. You say you do not want intermedaries then you refuse to compromise on anything. Lets do it privately on chat-No, Lets do it through a mediator on chat-NO, I want to do it on a talk page-OK how about mine where I can actually work from?-NO what gives? GrazingshipIV 04:49, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I am being vandalized by thebam right now so I cannot continue this conversation here. please go to my talkpage. GrazingshipIV 04:59, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I did not say it did created conflict here. I said I was busy with it so I could not respond. I am still trying to investigate. If you would come to my page I would be made aware everytime you said something while investigating. thebam's intentions were more than clear. GrazingshipIV 05:07, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
Baiting you for what? I am not going to open discussion until you make a concession, namely to discuss it on my page. If you do not want to discuss it fine. But I have offered you a chance mutliple times now to come and discuss this and you flatly refuse-come to my page please. GrazingshipIV 05:15, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I have never seen somebody so bent on third part intervention but there it is nope. good night. GrazingshipIV 05:24, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
No, I don't use IRC. I hate having it pop up all the time when I'm logged on. In fact, I've never set up IRC on any computer I've ever used. RickK | Talk 07:00, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please check Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Hcheney so you can make an informed decision on my Request for Adminship -- Hcheney 17:37, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hcheney has come clean with some truths regarding GrazingshipIV. You may want to reconsider your Quickpoll vote. Kingturtle 00:01, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
A Quickpoll is being held in regards to edits you recently made on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Kingturtle 05:04, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Quickpolls/archives. Looks like Graz was posting as himself while using his User:Information Koopa sock puppet. Which probably means User:TheBam is also him. I mean, who else is going to talk about "junta style attacks"? RickK | Talk 06:06, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Yeah I am going to attack my own page. Guys get a clue. I have already tried to come to the peace table which proves fruitless so I guess petty games is the order of the day huh? I do not create sockpuppets and once more you know that. At least your not accusing me of being one for Hcheney anymore. If you think either were me please take it to a developer. Juntaism is also smearing someone publically rickk. GrazingshipIV 06:18, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
The only person who ever accused you of being a sock puppet for Hcheney was Wik. RickK | Talk 06:19, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Try anthony and I beleive others voiced suspicions rather than accusations. GrazingshipIV 06:22, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
I have read through your discussion here after seeing the request for mediation. As I understand things, you are both willing to accept mediation but can not agree on the method? Is your only option using this talk page? Do you have any opinions on who should mediate? Tuf-Kat 20:26, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
--- Hello, King, I wish to act as Mediator between you and User:GrazingshipIV, because i really want to assist both of you in resolving your dispute, thank you -- Plato 05:48, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I just messaged Bcorr in resposne to your statement. I can do it today (26th) in the afternoon if you can. GrazingshipIV 06:31, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you revert the arbitration page? The message board has no meaningful content and has a prominent notice on it stating that it is inactive. UninvitedCompany 18:45, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have established a topic on the Mediation board to conduct the mediation here: http://boards.wikimedia.org/viewtopic.php?t=66
Please read through what I have posted and reply so that we can begin the process. Thanks, BCorr| Брайен 04:29, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I was just wondering about your revert in One-hit wonders in the United States. It wasn't just one person's edit that was affected by it and I was wondering what was the invalid data. Was the Dashboard Confessional edit? The Cathy Carr edit? or the Debbie/Debby Boone edit? Thanks.
What is it with 209.86.5.214 making a bunch of actor stubs and leaving them for us to clean up? Can we do anything about this? DryGrain 09:09, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I enjoyed your negative on my admin nomintaion. First time in a while I've been "praised with faint damns." ;-) Best, Cecropia 18:08, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
In order to comment on the mediation page bcorr created you must first "register" use your name "kingturtle" and whatever other information you wish to disclose. After registering you simply log in and post your statement. GrazingshipIV 18:59, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)
As someone who protected it, can you tell me what is going on with this page? I couldn't really figure out what the deal was from Talk. The links looked fine to me, but Wik wants them gone and deletes them on site. I assume his objection is the website, but it seems entries for other Wiki projects are de rigueur for Wikipedia, regardless of perceived quality. I wasn't really trying to involve myself in a conflict, but it looks like I did. -- V V 00:11, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Is the page important enough to justify protection? I find the editing pattern on the unprotected page to provide fascinating insight for the personalities involved. :-) -- UninvitedCompany
I am away until Sunday - shall look into it then. Morwen 06:41, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)
Please remove your listing of Wikipedia:Offensive User Names Havers Club from WP:VFD and place it on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion instead.-- Jia ng 20:51, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Please delete Systems Thinking. Thank you. - Woodrow 22:08, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Your deletion on the Kevin Smith reference was sort of where I was heading in my edit to that reference. I was certainly struck that handballing was in fact public knowledge well before the movie, hence my edit to say it entered modern pop culture instead. Upon reflect (prompted by your deletion) I concur that it is a POV and I should have removed it myself, instead of modifying it and trying to make it less a definitive statement about it entering public knowledge (which is demonstratively false). Good call. Lestatdelc 23:51, Apr 3, 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, if you're still awake User:Zap! is moving around a bunch of pages like Wikipedia:Cleanup -> Wikipedia:Antiguck. Cecropia 07:05, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I understand why you blocked the Karl Marx page. However, if you look at the talk pages I think you will see that resolution of the problem on the talk page won't happen. Basically, TDC is taking a point of view taken by no historian who specializes on Marx. There has been lengthy discussion of why, which he has ignored. He added his views -- his personal views, I believe -- to the article. I added the views of most scholars, and cited two authoritative biographers of Marx. TDC deleted what I added, which initiated the revert war between him and 172 on April 4. Although I was not involved in that I want to point out that 172 was merely restoring content I had added, that TDC was deleting against the bulk of discussion on the talk page. I have asked Mav to consider blocking TDC, personally I think he ought to be banned (he also wrote a vulgar attack of me on my user page; so I know I have a personal bias aside from my problems with his contempt for scholarship or dialogue among contributers on the Marx page). I ask you to consider this as an alternative to protecting that page. Slrubenstein
Thanks so much for the admin nomination. You might have noticed by now that I declined this time around. I am delighted, though; there are so many users and contributors here and I usually feel so anonymous (which in some cases might be a good thing, I suppose). It's nice to be noticed, appreciated, and trusted! Elf | Talk 05:29, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed already, I hope I've answered your question appropriately at the Reference Desk :) HTH Dysprosia 05:51, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)
You expressed interest in the front page layout on Talk:Main page. Could you please vote in the poll there? Thanks, silsor 07:25, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I moved your question here in case you hadn't seen the response yet as the village pump was a bit overcrowded. Angela . 00:03, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
Ah, poor KingTurtle! King, are you a merrikin? West Coast or East Coast? Because I bet that has something to do with us stepping on each others' toes. It's amazing--I think it's twice now--that we manage to be doing the exact same thing at the exact same time! (And coming up with totally different stuff!) :) Stupid edit conflicts! :) jengod 17:46, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)
I agree. However, we can at least try to keep I am sexy from trying to arbitrarily define policy towards its own benefit when it gets unblocked later tonight. - Woo d row , Emperor of the United States 19:27, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I'm sorry you don't like my new signature. (No sarcasm or condescension - just wanted to make that clear) I am very fond of it. I don't see your difficulty in clicking on the talk page portion as a good reason to revert since the former signature had no talk page link. I'd suggest that you feel free to click on any portion of the signature as if it were the former standard signature that puts you only on the user page and then you select "Discuss this page". Ok? - Tεx τ urε 19:41, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks a lot for featuring my Suikinkutsu article on the main page (in the section "Did you know ..."). You completely made my day when I went online to check Wikipedia! Yeehaaa! -- chris_73 00:58, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi, can you see your way to supporting Congo Free State as a featured article? I've done some work on it since your last comments. Thanks. Markalexander100 03:43, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Could you please put User:Augusta (a sockpuppet of Cantus) to a quickpoll, he reverted Shnorrer 4 times in a few minutes. -- Wik 08:12, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
Addendum: Cantus himself now reverted Mongolia 4 times. Quickpoll him too. -- Wik 08:20, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
This was the first article I posted. You rewrote it within hours. Thanks. The style manual etc have the theory you showed just what the theory means and how much padding I was using. But I am a politician - I'm used to using lots of words to convey a little information.
garryq 11:54, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hail King of Turtles! I see you added Galileo to Template:April 12 selected anniversaries. However, the event you mentioned does not appear in the Galileo Galilei article. That article in fact says that his trial started on June 22, 1633 - yet Template:April 12 selected anniversaries says that he was convicted on April 12, 1633. Could you sort this out and update the pages that need to be updated? -- mav 22:46, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Mav, I see the error in my ways! I lifted that bit from the April 12 page, assuming it was correct. But it is only partially correct. I will make the necessary corrections. Here are the references I am using:
Sincerely, Kingturtle 23:20, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I would appreciate your help by earning your vote as an admin. I have been here about 5 months now and have been nominated. I have made many contributions and have improved on my editing and behavior. I take this seriously, that is why I have gotten into it with Anthony so much. You can look at my user page yourself and see my contribtions. I would appreciate a vote in the yes column if you agree. Again, thanks for your time and help. ChrisDJackson 02:34, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
It appears to have hit the U.K. charts in March 1980. One would not expect it to have reached the charts in the U.S. until after that. That would make it a hit of the 1980's. -- Dominus 18:44, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Please see Congo Free State on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Your comments on the article's talk page seem to have been addressed. Thanks, 172 22:14, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, thanks for your reaction on the Jim Thorpe nomination at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates.
Could point out which parts of the text you consider to be POV? I'd like to work on improving the article. Jeronimo 06:49, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Dear Kingturtle:
First at all, I would like to thank for your help in cleaning up my baseball collaborations. Right now, Chico Carrasquel & Tony Armas looks better after you did it.
In addition, you advised me that I should get some Wiki standards. It's right. I started editing Wikipedia on March 30, 2004 ( Wallace Davenport), so I'm a wiki-one-month-old almost, but I'm still learning and working in it.
Basically, I am a reader, not a writer, and my main language is Spanish (some Italian and Portuguese too). Due to this, I know that sometimes my English looks some strange, but no problem. If necessary (a friend hand always is necessary) "someday someone will come along and make that new article", according your own words.
At this point, I'm sorry about disturbing some people that used intimidating advices about my collaborations. I know that some of the pages I've worked need a help. If you know anything about these subjects, please lend a hand. These are generally things I just don't know enough about to edit in English. If you can fix one up, please mention it on my talk page. I can remember that the baseball philosopher Yogi Berra said "The game's isn't over until it's over." The wiki articles neither. I try to do the best I can. Reading your note is like having a conversation with a friend.
Thanks for your fast and polite response. MusiCitizen 14:57, Apr 16, 2004 (UTC)
...I appreciate it. Dpbsmith 10:21, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I originally typed my reason, but then censored it before I pressed save. I don't think it's appropriate to say what my reservations are but equally, I thought I should say I have some. If you can think of a way of rewording it to make that clear, please do. Angela . 19:49, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
It's weird coming back after 6 months... so much new stuff to get to grips with. You seem to have most of it on your user page, so thanks again! -- Jim Regan 06:05, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Go to Talk:2003. Look at the bottom. At the rate it is currently going, it should be down to 0 by the fall of 2004. Am I correct?? 66.32.69.46 22:51, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Sorry I had to list your article for deletion, seems completely irrelevant and not inherently not neutral to me. Also, I think that GWB has committed such serious crimes that attacking him for his language is ridiculous. Get-back-world-respect 18:02, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, I was looking through Requests for Adminship earlier and saw that you have opposed a few people for having too few edits. I was just wondering what you think is an acceptable minimum number of edits, or minimum edits per time period or whatever for someone to be considered for adminship? On RfA Meelar asks the same question but I can't find an answer on your or their talk page or on the talk page for RfA, although by now your answer could of course have been archived.
Cheers -- Ams80 10:17, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
There's been a lot of discussion regarding your 3000+ standard for adminship. I don't agree with your standard -- but if you believe it's an appropriate bar, then I encourage you to keep voting according to that belief. I don't think you should conform your standards to match the majority, in this case; I think the presence of distinct opinions ensures that the process surrounding adminship remains a lively discussion, and not simply a "confirmation hearing." More often than not, you and I will probably be on opposite sides -- but I encourage you to vote according to your beliefs. Cribcage 23:26, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
Please stop redirecting the page. I'm trying to create a disambig page to distinguish between the current facility, the Saddam facility and the town of Abu Ghuraib. Please leave the page alone until I'm finished. AndyL 23:08, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
and the only President to have married a pregnant woman.
Hi. I did some checking and asked my boss. First, see Goering's defense summarized in Persico, p. 271. Also, Telford Taylor's The Anatomy of the Nuremberg Trials is supposedly the best book out there. I am taking it home with me tonight. Let me know if I can find you any more information. Danny 14:16, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has referred the issues of Anthony's reverts and alleged trolling to the mediation committee. It's been suggested that you may have an interest in this matter so, if you would like to be involved in mediation on these issues please leave a message at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation. Regards -- sannse (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2004 (UTC) (mediation committee).
Sorry about that -- it was an edit conflict. You fixed it before I realized. (Hate edit conflicts.) –Hajor 00:32, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I did know of those messages, but it's just that I didn't think of them until I had made most of the edits. Dori | Talk 04:06, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
Kingturtle, can you resysop User:Merovingian; he's back from his little vacation. -- Seth Ilys 02:57, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
Good feedback: You did a good job mentioning a radio station at WSSU
Bad feedback: Your link is WSSU (radio), not WSSU-FM or WSSU-AM. Please change it to whichever one of these it is. 66.245.117.53 23:45, 15 May 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, didnt mean to ignore you. I just think that its more important that the information is availible, than that the format is correct. one of the great things about wikipedia is that many hands make light work. Some people enjoy formatting, others enjoy writing articles, I enjoy working on space related articles. Its better for somone to find an unformatted arcticle that contains the information that they need than to find nothing at all. Also, if you look over the articles that ive posted, youll see that a good portion of them have been wikified. See list of astronauts by name
It's okay - I wasn't offended. We clearly come at the question of "what is appropriate to be included in Wikipedia" from widely different perspectives, but it's probably a good thing that people come at this from different perspectives. I will admit that as a user of Wikipedia, some of my greatest enjoyment has come out of reading articles on silly things like the Official Monster Raving Loony Party as much as from the more academic stuff. But I still think it's important to prevent wikipedia from becoming full of insignificant vanity articles. YMMV - Atlantium, at least, probably falls into a gray area. john 06:05, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
Your addition of a picture San Juan, Puerto Rico was most appriciated. If you have any other sigtings please share them with us. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 10:27, 2004 May 18 (UTC)
Do you want to make some comments at Talk:Augusto Pinochet#Another poll? 172 15:15, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
Emergency, Mayday, Wiki Wiki
Mayday! Dear Kingturtle, the WikiRepublic is in danger! Wikipolice make their coup d'êtat! Please add your voice and come help John
here wiki wiki. Thank you ! - Yours, -
irismeister 17:25, 2004 May 19 (UTC)
PS - The images are just amazing. I have a collection of two hundred more portraits (mainly ophthalmologists, granted) at various resolutions. Bravo !
You have -again- deleted important, verifiable, reasonable information from the Nick Berg page, referring visitors to the conspiracy theory page. You have done this without justifying yourself, without adding any comment on the talk page. There are two things which must be in the main article, and must not be labelled as conspiracy theory:
I am a reasonable person. I try to avoid edit wars, and always look for compromise solutions. I have no time for conspiracy theories. And I deplore the unilateral, uncompromising and unaccountable way in which you made these edits. Please explain yourself. pir 20:47, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi Kingturtle, good work with the Kerry article. I think you deleted a lot of non-encyclopedic stuff, which is good. I would not have dared to do it because some here feel so hot about that article that they even reverted me several times when I tried to bring some reason into the section about the wounds and reduced the mentionings of Brice Lalonde and opium to an acceptable number.
Something else, would you be interested in a project about learning that I describe on my page and that is discussed on my talk page? Get-back-world-respect 13:04, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
The page in question is [2]
In the section "Outside Views," User:Danny wrote: "This is ridiculous. Censuring someone who actually knows the material because some ignorant fuck who has never read a book in his life doesnt approve of it and wants to post his own ill-informed opinion will be the death of Wikipedia," and signed. User:Hephaestos signed under the text "Users who endorse this summary", and then User:Mirv signed below Heph, though his sig appears as "No-one Jones."
HTH. It seemed out of character for Mirv, but perhaps he was emboldened by the previous two sigs. Regrettably, I've said similar things, both here and in real life, as have most people, and I don't think it's a serious enough mistake to merit the degree of attention it has already received. After all, no one seems to be taking Danny or Heph to task over it. - UninvitedCompany
- - Kingturtle, I strongly urge you to stop vandalizing the Nick Berg conspiracy theories page. Over and over again you have done reverts and had reverts done on your behalf, at least a dozen times yesterday, which is a clear violation of wikipedia policy. Why are you so unwilling to compromise? Why do you insist on slandering Arabs by saying they wipe their ass with their hand? Have you no shame, Kingturtle? Why are you making a mockery of wikipedia? How are you in a position to not only get your unsupported claims into that page, but then to get the pages protected after you are humiliated in the talk pages? Kingturtle, you need to grow up and quit playing this childish game. I'm sorry you were fooled by the hoax, and you can not admit you were fooled, but give the rest of the world a chance to make up their own minds, don't try like hell (as you have been doing) to convince other people that this hoax is real. If you can't let the evidence stand on its own, then why the hell are you here? Is this entry just your place to show your ass or to show how gullible you are or what? Energybone 14:42, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
Energybone,
I can’t believe I have to take time out of my day to build a case to defend my actions regarding Nick Berg conspiracy theories. You obviously have not looked closely at my edits. If you took the time to exam my edits of this article, you would see that:
In regards to your questions, here are my answers:
Now I have some questions for you. I want each one answered with statements. Do not answer questions with questions. Do not give one word answers.
Lastly, you say that I reverted the same article "at least a dozen times yesterday" – when in actuality, I reverted three times yesterday, which is within the limits of Wikipedia standards.
Cheers, Kingturtle 22:59, 27 May 2004 (UTC)
Hey Kingturtle, I noticed you put this note on my page but not 172's. Is there a difference you perceive which warrants this? Also, please see my comments at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/VeryVerily for an explanation of my view on such edit wars. V V 07:56, 28 May 2004 (UTC)
Hey Kingturtle, it has been a couple months since the last nomination. I have worked hard and have done good work without having any edit wars. Would you nominate me now? Thanks for you concern!
ChrisDJackson 23:50, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
Hi KT, an admin needs to look at the contribs from User:168.103.232.64 made over the past couple of days. They indicate copy vio. I left a query for him about it on User talk:168.103.232.64 but he hasn't responded (but subseqently edited the item I was referring to, Bullet Joe Rogan). Cheers. Moriori 02:08, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hello Kingturtle, on May 22 you objected against making "Zeppelin" a featured article. I have tried to address the issue you brought forward, but your negative comment has remained unchanged and is still counted as an objection. Would you please consider to review the article and update your judgement, so that the article can either be further enhanced, or become featured? Thanks in advance. -- J.Rohrer 22:29, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Moriori is lying to you as he has to nearly every other user I've come across, probably because of a political disagreement that we had. Please read the African American Registry's article on Turkey Stearnes and you will see that there is actually very little similarity between their article and mine. Thank you. User: Felix F. Bruyns
Hello. I've replied briefly to your query from last year, but you may have moved on from there (though I don't see it among your interests). Happy hunting! Robin Patterson 20:11, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
This is pretty funny. Maybe this is cause for some original research? ;) Mark Richards 01:07, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Message for you at Wikipedia talk:Vandalbot log entries -- Tim Starling 01:27, Jun 18, 2004 (UTC)
I see you removed the pro/anti/satire Kerry links, and I agree with your reasoning. Shouldn't the same be done with Bush links? -- Cecropia | Talk 00:55, 19 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The photo you uploaded for Jake Beckley (the baseball card) is for the wrong player; I couldn't help thinking it didn't seem like a really appropriate image anyway, lacking his famous mustache - and the fact it was dated 1911 (after he retired) really got me looking further at it. It seems you accidentally picked a card for Jack Beckley (a minor league player), who's listed adjacent to Jake in the source archive you used; the two cards they display for Jake are really grainy and longer shots, not really useful here. I'll drop the image from his page, though I'll leave it to you to decide how to handle the image page itself. MisfitToys 00:37, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)
I can't decide if your calling me "competent" is a simple statement of my ability to perform the fairly automated task of promotion to admin, or a more subtle "damning with faint praise". :-) I know we have widely differing opinions concerning who is and isn't qualified for admin (though I certainly respect and understand your position, and I hope I've never bashed you publically for it). I just wanted to make sure there isn't anything you're concerned about. Perhaps my private definition of competent ("C average" ability...simply adequate...not remarkably able in any way) is a little harsher than yours. :-) Thank you for the vote of support, of course -- I just want to be certain that you don't have any reservations you're holding back. Have a good day, Jwrosenzweig 17:04, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Hi. Just wanted to thank you for the major revision on terrorism. That work had been needed for a long time, but I could never get up the energy and enthusiasm to tackle it. The article is much improved now. Isomorphic 01:22, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I see the Paul Is Dead vandal is back. I already banned his previous address (briefly - it's an AOL proxy) as it also did some obvious vandalism, but there doesn't seem to be much point in blocking him again. As I'm off on holiday for a while, could you keep a weather eye on that page, and make sure Paul doesn't remain too dead for too long. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:38, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Why, is there something you wish to discuss? Lirath Q. Pynnor
Hi there! Just a short note to let you know that your vote in my favour in last week's sysop election meant a lot to me. Wikipedia is the most exciting internet project that I've ever touched, and I have great dreams for its future. I feel honoured to be able to participate in a small way in building it. Thank you so much for voting for me. David Cannon 10:39, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I am searching for the correct person to address this issue: The infobox on terrorism lists Islamic .. rather than Islamist .., which I believe is a more precise and respectful label. That way it is possible to distinguish the adjective ( Islamic ) for a religious group from the adjective (Islamist) for a political group with an agenda. That puts the label more in line with the ism article as well. I realize that involves some page moves as well. Ancheta Wis 18:56, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Maybe you can help find a problem here - Mattingly23 has been adding a number of bio articles for baseball players, but for some reason the pages seem to link to themselves (they're always listed under "What links here" for their own pages). Neither of us can figure out what he's doing to cause this, but it's somewhat annoying. Any ideas on what the problem is and how to prevent it? MisfitToys 23:41, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
I've posted a reply to your question about revealing Deep Throat's identity at Talk:Deep Throat (Watergate). Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 15:58, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
I've posted a reply to your question about revealing Deep Throat's identity at Talk:Deep Throat (Watergate). Ave! PedanticallySpeaking 15:58, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
Alright, sorry about that. I thought that only applied to content - I merely moved about the whitespace. Newbie admin mistake. – Andre ( talk) 00:51, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
There is a survey regarding a disputed paragraph in the PNAC article that you might be interested in. Kevin Baas | talk 19:31, 2004 Oct 17 (UTC)
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man ( comment) ( talk)[[]] 23:46, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Aloha. I am the process of disambiguating AINA, and trying to fix what links here. The link on your User page should be changed to AINA (ngo). Thanks in advance. -- Viriditas 05:46, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hey! I'm not sure why you reverted my changes, but I didn't touch anything substantive that you did. I just erased the top of the article, which was nothing more than a repetition of the septembercalendar section and about 15 events that were duplicative. I've re-erased them. Katefan0 22:21, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you revert the recent additions on numbering in this article? After looking at whitehouse.gov and carefully counting the names a few times, it appears that this information is correct. Our article on Grover Cleveland even seems to say the same thing. - RedWordSmith 04:33, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
Why did you revert 151.200.182.26 vote tally update on Ralph Nader? I ask because s/he also updated Green Party (United States) and U.S. presidential election, 2004, so if his numbers are wrong, those should be looked into as well. RadicalSubversiv E 07:23, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry about the edit war brewing at Dimebag Darrell but it is correct that all dates should be linked. To quote the page you mentioned in your last edit summary ( Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)):
To allow users to choose their date preference all dates should be linked, overriding the standard rule of not linking the same thing repeatedly. violet/riga (t) 22:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Have the quotations removed from Villain been incorporated into Wikiquote? I don't know a great deal about editing Wikiquote myself, or how the cross referencing system that perhaps should be there ought to work; but if it is possible to put one of the tags that says that Wikiquote has a set of quotations by or about villains, it might be valuable to put it on the Villain page itself. -- Smerdis of Tlön 02:45, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Cite sources. :-) Johnleemk | Talk 09:44, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I added the section explaining the procedure, which nobody ever seems to be able to do fairly. I feel an image is important to explaining any complex procedure, and it's so rarely found in any objective literature on the subject. You removed the "POV" image as biased because it shows the baby as normal and healthy. I don't think that's true (the image is pretty simplistic, the most I could tell was that it was a fetus, a catheter, a birth canal and a doctor) but I rooted around trying to find an image. Unfortunately all of the abortion provider sites neglect to provide such images (it would be a bit like a meat pacvking company showing us how sausage is made or how chickens live) and it's difficult to find an unbiased abortion opponent's image. I found a heavily cropped version on somebody's home page, and I'm adding it in.
Please do not remove the image; please simply replace it with one more to your liking if you find this one unacceptable. Hell, draw your own if you want. I feel our inability to deal with the images of abortion maturely and objectively is linked to the controversy itself and I'd like if wikipedia offered a thorough, rigorous view on this and every subject. It's aggravating enough having to deal with pro-choice people who often want to ignore the science and pro-life people who rarely address the science in objective terms.
Please work with me to add an image you find appropriate. I'd like to take away the subject from the screaming fanatics on both sides and explain it in a direct, scientific context. Cwelsch 13:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I was wondering why you removed Abraham Lincoln from the debated section of List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people. Another user has restored him to the list but I was wondering if you actually disputed the fact that his sexuality is debated. There is a section on this in the article about him.
I'd like to thank you for what you've done with List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people. There's a difference between "rumored" and "debated", and that list should reflect that. - ℘yrop (talk) 06:05, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
Hello, I've started WikiProject New York City, and from your edits it seems you might be interested. See its talk page for the beginning of a discussion on the standardization of neighborhood names, and bringing New York City up to featured status.-- Pharos 13:44, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind note. If you have time, we need to check all the article links to Chickenhawk to see which should be changed to avoid the dab page. I'm starting at the top, so if you want to start at the bottom and work up, we won't trip over each other. JamesMLane 23:01, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Addendum: Well, I got to the end of the list, changing all the article links except the one in Vietnam War. I'm not familiar with Mason's book, so I think it's safer to let that reference link to the dab page, so the reader can see the possible meanings. In titling his book Chickenhawk, Mason may have intended some ambiguity. JamesMLane 23:40, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your motivation. I wish you enjoy it. Good luck, and have you a happy new year. MusiCitizen 05:04, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)