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There is still a dispute going on regarding the identity and language of the Saraiki people. This dispute of having a separate identity and language and traditions has been going on since after the independence of PakistanReference History Pak . com
If Mr. A claims himself as best doctor in New York city. Will we simply accept him as best doctor ? He can have degree of Doctorate as Verifiability of claim. But Best ? It could be disputed by B or C or D.
Old moves discussions.
Literature and independent sources review.
NOTE; I have copied these links from previous discussions on this talk page. I am re-presenting them in easy readable format. Fanalysis ( talk) 07:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I not sure if you remember but you were a "keep" on this AfD in 2011. Crawley has continued to be a notable as an educationalist and has now retired as a Headmaster. This article in The Australian and this one about his Honorary Doctorate suggests that his notability is now above dispute. Is there a way of having this bio retrieved? I would appreciate your assistance. Castlemate ( talk) 07:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I tried the admin with no luck. Castlemate ( talk) 10:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your work so far on this issue. I don't know that I have the heart to become too involved as I find this sort of matter on Wikipedia so dispiriting. I can already see this notable bio being put up for AFD if it is recreated. For the moment I think I would be better off staying well away. Castlemate ( talk) 03:25, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
I apologise for involving you in this but appreciate your diligence to date. It is like pulling teeth. I can't imagine what will happen if Peter Crawley is restored if this is what is happening even now? Cheers Castlemate ( talk) 10:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
I hesitate to mention Talk:J. T. Vallance but this seems to be another Australian independent headmaster/principle bio that was always worthwhile but was merged ill advisedly. His career since clearly required (and still requires) coverage.
Over and above having him de-merged and updating his record I wonder if the most important question is finding consensus regarding the general notability of these Australians. It is very frustrating having to discuss them at AfD with non-Australians who don't understand that a school with College as part of its name is not a tertiary institution but is K-12 school, that's Who's Who in Australia is not a vanity publication and that you can't buy an obituary in The Age/SMH. It would be good to have a policy that outlines the notability of these leaders in Australian education be they state or independent or a mix of both. I would appreciate your views on this. Castlemate ( talk) 20:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017).
Looks like we protect conflicted ;-) Cheers, Alex Shih ( talk) 07:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
I hope this was tongue-in-cheek. Some people make not have taken it that way. Optimist on the run ( talk) 11:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
No consensus seems the correct summary of the naming criteria issues.
However, you did not address the questions regarding non-neutrality WP:NPOVNAME and WP:NDESC. (The last comment on this issue was a bald denial that this was relevant, there was no response as you closed the discussion shortly afterwards.)
It is actually a matter of strong controversy whether to call the 2015-Sep-14 observation by LIGO "first observation", and of minor controversy whether to call it "first direct observation". If you need a RS to the existence of these controversies (well-known to astronomers) see Chapter 8 of Harry Collins Gravity's Kiss. He ends up summarizing the internal LIGO debate (2500 e-mails from 500 members) as being all over the map on this question. The reason not to call their observation "first" is because that honor perhaps belongs to Hulse-Taylor-Weisberg and their "indirect" observation some thirtysome years before.
Choosing sides on this issue strikes me as POV.
FYI, Collins was an "embedded" sociologist of science, with LIGO longer than almost everyone except the founders. His perspective is as informed and as neutral as is humanly possible. 129.68.81.71 ( talk) 17:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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Thank you for your comments, but I think it needs fuller discussion. 129.68.81.71 ( talk) 16:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand your approval of the move as it was not supported. All were opposed (Yes, I see you cobbled various options together). Second it was against WP:NC-BC. TNT is a cable channel not a broadcast network. A cable network is a group of cable channels. The cable example at NC-BC is "Viacom (corporation) owns Viacom Media Networks (division) which operates BET (network) which provides its flagship channel BET and sister channels such as BET Her and BET Gospel." Paralleling the example to TNT: Time-Warner owns Turner Broadcasting (unit) which operates the Turner network which provides its flagship channel TBS and sister channels TNT and Turner Classic Movies. So, TNT is not a network. Spshu ( talk) 19:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jenks24! I see that you have been changing the redirect page Oradour-sur-Glane. Redirects are common or alternative names for an article, eg USA redirects to United States. It's logical that an alternative name for a french village article redirects to the correct article. Your edit breaks a lot of incoming links, including in Oradour-sur-Glane massacre page. You can verify it on Special:WhatLinksHere/Oradour-sur-Glane. I hope this makes sense. If you have any questions, do feel free to ask. Happy editing! Givibidou ( talk) 12:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
" raion" is translated as "district", except for the rural raions/districts in Ukraine. Where it is translated and even where not, the articles about individual entities are named "X District"/"X Raion" - except for South Ossetia-Alania. Also everywhere else -except India- it is "X Type" not "X type": Bochnia County, Masovian Voivodeship, Buenos Aires Province, Moscow Oblast, Washington County, Eastern Division (New South Wales), Cariboo Land District, ... 1 item out of 100000 not named with uppercase was proposed for renaming to keep the naming in enWP consistent. Even de-jure country it belongs to, Georgia, uses "X Type" for its municipalities. South Ossetia-Alania is not in India, so there is no precedent for applying the India exception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Dzau_district&oldid=809879398 77.179.152.245 ( talk) 05:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Infobox populated place. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Infobox populated place redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 ( talk) 16:13, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi.
Few minutes ago, I came around your few contributions while working at RM. I just wanted to know, what template are you using to relist? Your comment is not bold. I use {{subst:relisting}}
. It produces a bold output. —usernamekiran
(talk) 01:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I have seen three IPs doing this
User:Mr. Guye and User:Theinstantmatrix have also intervened. 80.171.244.112 ( talk) 07:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Why was hussain asif and husein saeed two articles deleted.. This is ridiculous it took me 3 days to do it...
Please him ne get the pages back 🙏
( Ihussainasif786 ( talk) 22:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC))iHussainAsif
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Thanks for your help at the RM discussion of Duchess of Sutherland. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 16:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC) |
Hello again. You removed but then reinserted a user's message in my talk page, saying it was a "misclick". May you please explain? Thanks. George Ho ( talk) 20:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
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Any thoughts on the AfD? You seem to have a better grasp on notability in these circumstances. I would appreciate your opinion. Castlemate ( talk) 22:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for that. You are quite right and I think it is Buntine Family that might save the day. Castlemate ( talk) 10:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&oldid=814512733#Comments_on_Russian_railways has subsections for comments re specific policies/guidelines. A user is moving them down into a more obscure place 77.179.100.51 ( talk) 07:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017).
Formal request that you undo your vandalism.
Shosse Entuziastov (Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line) displays
Shosse Entuziastov (Kalininsko–Solntsevskaya line) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Shosse Entuziastov (Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line)) Redirect page Shosse Entuziastov (Moscow Metro) From a page move: This is a redirect from a page that has been moved (renamed). This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name.
For 20 h now users that follow the standard links are faced with this nonsense. 77.179.217.150 ( talk) 03:15, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 20 | ← | Archive 22 | Archive 23 | Archive 24 | Archive 25 | Archive 26 | → | Archive 29 |
Discussions & Comments.
There is still a dispute going on regarding the identity and language of the Saraiki people. This dispute of having a separate identity and language and traditions has been going on since after the independence of PakistanReference History Pak . com
If Mr. A claims himself as best doctor in New York city. Will we simply accept him as best doctor ? He can have degree of Doctorate as Verifiability of claim. But Best ? It could be disputed by B or C or D.
Old moves discussions.
Literature and independent sources review.
NOTE; I have copied these links from previous discussions on this talk page. I am re-presenting them in easy readable format. Fanalysis ( talk) 07:03, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I not sure if you remember but you were a "keep" on this AfD in 2011. Crawley has continued to be a notable as an educationalist and has now retired as a Headmaster. This article in The Australian and this one about his Honorary Doctorate suggests that his notability is now above dispute. Is there a way of having this bio retrieved? I would appreciate your assistance. Castlemate ( talk) 07:14, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
I tried the admin with no luck. Castlemate ( talk) 10:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your work so far on this issue. I don't know that I have the heart to become too involved as I find this sort of matter on Wikipedia so dispiriting. I can already see this notable bio being put up for AFD if it is recreated. For the moment I think I would be better off staying well away. Castlemate ( talk) 03:25, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
I apologise for involving you in this but appreciate your diligence to date. It is like pulling teeth. I can't imagine what will happen if Peter Crawley is restored if this is what is happening even now? Cheers Castlemate ( talk) 10:15, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
I hesitate to mention Talk:J. T. Vallance but this seems to be another Australian independent headmaster/principle bio that was always worthwhile but was merged ill advisedly. His career since clearly required (and still requires) coverage.
Over and above having him de-merged and updating his record I wonder if the most important question is finding consensus regarding the general notability of these Australians. It is very frustrating having to discuss them at AfD with non-Australians who don't understand that a school with College as part of its name is not a tertiary institution but is K-12 school, that's Who's Who in Australia is not a vanity publication and that you can't buy an obituary in The Age/SMH. It would be good to have a policy that outlines the notability of these leaders in Australian education be they state or independent or a mix of both. I would appreciate your views on this. Castlemate ( talk) 20:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2017).
Looks like we protect conflicted ;-) Cheers, Alex Shih ( talk) 07:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
I hope this was tongue-in-cheek. Some people make not have taken it that way. Optimist on the run ( talk) 11:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
No consensus seems the correct summary of the naming criteria issues.
However, you did not address the questions regarding non-neutrality WP:NPOVNAME and WP:NDESC. (The last comment on this issue was a bald denial that this was relevant, there was no response as you closed the discussion shortly afterwards.)
It is actually a matter of strong controversy whether to call the 2015-Sep-14 observation by LIGO "first observation", and of minor controversy whether to call it "first direct observation". If you need a RS to the existence of these controversies (well-known to astronomers) see Chapter 8 of Harry Collins Gravity's Kiss. He ends up summarizing the internal LIGO debate (2500 e-mails from 500 members) as being all over the map on this question. The reason not to call their observation "first" is because that honor perhaps belongs to Hulse-Taylor-Weisberg and their "indirect" observation some thirtysome years before.
Choosing sides on this issue strikes me as POV.
FYI, Collins was an "embedded" sociologist of science, with LIGO longer than almost everyone except the founders. His perspective is as informed and as neutral as is humanly possible. 129.68.81.71 ( talk) 17:45, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a Move review of First observation of gravitational waves. Because you closed the move discussion for this page, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the move review.
Thank you for your comments, but I think it needs fuller discussion. 129.68.81.71 ( talk) 16:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand your approval of the move as it was not supported. All were opposed (Yes, I see you cobbled various options together). Second it was against WP:NC-BC. TNT is a cable channel not a broadcast network. A cable network is a group of cable channels. The cable example at NC-BC is "Viacom (corporation) owns Viacom Media Networks (division) which operates BET (network) which provides its flagship channel BET and sister channels such as BET Her and BET Gospel." Paralleling the example to TNT: Time-Warner owns Turner Broadcasting (unit) which operates the Turner network which provides its flagship channel TBS and sister channels TNT and Turner Classic Movies. So, TNT is not a network. Spshu ( talk) 19:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jenks24! I see that you have been changing the redirect page Oradour-sur-Glane. Redirects are common or alternative names for an article, eg USA redirects to United States. It's logical that an alternative name for a french village article redirects to the correct article. Your edit breaks a lot of incoming links, including in Oradour-sur-Glane massacre page. You can verify it on Special:WhatLinksHere/Oradour-sur-Glane. I hope this makes sense. If you have any questions, do feel free to ask. Happy editing! Givibidou ( talk) 12:09, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
" raion" is translated as "district", except for the rural raions/districts in Ukraine. Where it is translated and even where not, the articles about individual entities are named "X District"/"X Raion" - except for South Ossetia-Alania. Also everywhere else -except India- it is "X Type" not "X type": Bochnia County, Masovian Voivodeship, Buenos Aires Province, Moscow Oblast, Washington County, Eastern Division (New South Wales), Cariboo Land District, ... 1 item out of 100000 not named with uppercase was proposed for renaming to keep the naming in enWP consistent. Even de-jure country it belongs to, Georgia, uses "X Type" for its municipalities. South Ossetia-Alania is not in India, so there is no precedent for applying the India exception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Dzau_district&oldid=809879398 77.179.152.245 ( talk) 05:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Infobox populated place. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Infobox populated place redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 ( talk) 16:13, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi.
Few minutes ago, I came around your few contributions while working at RM. I just wanted to know, what template are you using to relist? Your comment is not bold. I use {{subst:relisting}}
. It produces a bold output. —usernamekiran
(talk) 01:12, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
I have seen three IPs doing this
User:Mr. Guye and User:Theinstantmatrix have also intervened. 80.171.244.112 ( talk) 07:02, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Why was hussain asif and husein saeed two articles deleted.. This is ridiculous it took me 3 days to do it...
Please him ne get the pages back 🙏
( Ihussainasif786 ( talk) 22:17, 20 November 2017 (UTC))iHussainAsif
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
Thanks for your help at the RM discussion of Duchess of Sutherland. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 16:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC) |
Hello again. You removed but then reinserted a user's message in my talk page, saying it was a "misclick". May you please explain? Thanks. George Ho ( talk) 20:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello, Jenks24. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
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If you wish to participate in the 2017 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 18:42, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Any thoughts on the AfD? You seem to have a better grasp on notability in these circumstances. I would appreciate your opinion. Castlemate ( talk) 22:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for that. You are quite right and I think it is Buntine Family that might save the day. Castlemate ( talk) 10:54, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)&oldid=814512733#Comments_on_Russian_railways has subsections for comments re specific policies/guidelines. A user is moving them down into a more obscure place 77.179.100.51 ( talk) 07:14, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2017).
Formal request that you undo your vandalism.
Shosse Entuziastov (Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line) displays
Shosse Entuziastov (Kalininsko–Solntsevskaya line) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Shosse Entuziastov (Kalininsko-Solntsevskaya Line)) Redirect page Shosse Entuziastov (Moscow Metro) From a page move: This is a redirect from a page that has been moved (renamed). This page was kept as a redirect to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name.
For 20 h now users that follow the standard links are faced with this nonsense. 77.179.217.150 ( talk) 03:15, 10 December 2017 (UTC)