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You don't have to like each other, but I think you should each apologize unreservedly and directly (man to man), avoid each other in future, and disengage from the Arbcom case (half of me thinks those people are just bored and want some food to play with).
Feel free to give me what I deserve.
TCO ( talk) 21:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Yes, I did. Give me some credit. But since you are young, I will explain. Then after that I will click unwatch on each of your pages.
Go to his page, apologize directly for the lighter remark: without explaining how minor it was, without any quid pro quo, without defending yourself, and whether or not he wants to make some case against you for all your other remarks.
TCO ( talk) 22:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, and thank you for the barnstar. I had a question regarding the page curation talk page here. Do you have any thoughts on the issue? If you click on the review button next to the articles in question, do you see the curation toolbar? This seems like an odd little issue. Thanks. JanetteDoe ( talk) 22:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the trust, and the kind words regarding the articles. Although I've been writing articles for a little while now (note: I wish I could tell every new editor that they should NOT start out by writing articles, which of course is exactly what I did), but I've had some very appreciated, very kind encouragement from several editors lately, which is inspiring me to actively seek other topics to write about. Again, thank you for making me feel welcomed. All the best, 78.26 ( I'm no IP, talk to me!) 02:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
You recently tagged the article on Herbert James Gunn as having an unclear citation style. What's the problem? Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 09:58, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
You recently tagged the article on Special Honours 2009 as having an unclear citation style however after a review of the article I can not find a breach of WP:MOS.
I recommend removal of the {{more footnotes}} tag unless there is a specific concern that can be cited.
Karl Stephens ( talk) 12:19, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry, I have not good ehglish. What do you mean in Nizhny Novgorod State Technical University when you write " its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations"? I added quite a lot of sources for an article of this size.These sources are good, enough informative, in English.What do you want? I will not find.I do not find many good sources on the English.They just do not, only Russian. Pet92 ( talk) 03:18, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I received an email today with the following line in it:"Your user rights were changed by Ironholds. You are now a member of this group: autoreviewer". I looked at the linked page in the email: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights, but couldn't find "autoreviewer". Could you please enlighten me, as you are mentioned as the person changing my status?-- Ereunetes ( talk) 17:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ironholds. Thanks so much for my barnstar. I wanted to jump up and down and brag, but since I work in the cataloguing branch of a big library it isn't really acceptable behaviour. Appreciate you taking the trouble. Jhouns ( talk) 00:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Please note that, due to several members of the Arbitration Committee recusing on the Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds case, the Committee will be restricting discussion of this matter to the arbcom-en-blists.wikimedia.org mailing list. If you have any information that should be submitted privately, please send it to this email address. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 00:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Ironholds, thanks for the barnstar and kind words! QuantifiedElf ( talk) 20:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Oliver,
I see you tagged the Greg Sepelak article for relying on one source. I created the article because it had red link, but was a highly-requested article. I was only able to find one source. I understand the tag, but wanted to give some context.
Thanks for all your contributions. Cheers! Richard Apple ( talk) 03:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Discussion's been hatted, but just thought I'd say I see your point now. I considered making a joke about the Saturday Night Massacre in my second post there, in terms of what would happen if the WMF tried that, but, having read your argument, now I feel like that reference might actually be spot-on.
Oh, and it was something on testwiki... I'm not gonna say the user's name, since I think his name's been dragged through the mud enough, but you can figure it out yourself if you're curious. — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 02:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the Barnstar, and for changing the status of my new articles to autopatrolled. Much appreciated. NinaGreen ( talk) 20:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Before I am convinced that this entry should be deleted I would be interested in understanding the variety of reasons you consider it seems to be inappropriate. I can see you have contributed many articles to Wikipedia, but there seem to few dealing with Australian cultural institutions. So I think it is fair to ask you: Are you aware of the status of this Gallery and Sculpture Park in Melbourne and the state of Victoria ? That it hold the most important collection of Sculpture in the state of Victoria, it sponsors the the most prestigious sculpture prize in Australia ? dnw ( talk) 02:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the autopatrolling setting. Much appreciated - and a great compliment on my work. Mabalu ( talk) 09:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
Hi there. As the creator of the page, I got one of those newfangled notification thingies when you templated the article. Could you be a little more specific about what you feel the problem areas are? The tag you used implies that the problem is that there are references, but they're not inline citations - but they're all inline already. Your edit summary said that it should have more footnotes, by which I assume you mean references cited. I know there's no hard and fast rules about that stuff, but six isn't too bad for a start-class article and every paragraph is supported by at least one reference, so I'm thinking there must be something specific that you feel isn't covered adequately. Could you elaborate a bit (here, or maybe the article talk page would be better)? Most articles on WP could use a few more references, but article tagging is usually reserved for articles with sections of material that are entirely unreferenced or when there's specific concerns like BLP, neither of which I think is the case here. Matt Deres ( talk) 01:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Are you trying to delete my post. They are legit i swear. They are one of my favorite groups. Please don't take the page down. I have posted this page like 3 times :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushi biskit ( talk • contribs) 06:10, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ironholds, You recently tagged Dive light with {{ more footnotes}}. It is not clear which text you consider is unreliable. Most of the information provided is at common knowledge level amongst divers, and I don't want to spend unnecessary effort researching references that the sky is blue. Please use inline {{ Citation needed}} tags to allow efficient rectification of the problem. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Per your request at AN, I'm notifying you (in case the notification system doesn't) that I've commented on you at user talk:Fluffernutter. If you honestly shared Fluffernutter's concern about attracting and retaining more female editors who might be offended by what Drmies said, wouldn't your first step be to resign your adminship and WMF position? -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 23:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Floquenbeam
Sorry for the delay; I was travelling, and then recovering from travelling. So, in order:
I consider myself an honourable person, even when dealing with dishonourable individuals, or otherwise honourable ones taking dishonourable actions - and make no mistake, I consider your perpetuation of a conversation started via email a dishonourable action. If you think you've eliminated the reasons for having it via email, you're wrong.
An honourable person has a lot of traits; one of them is that they respect their leaders and the people with authority over them, and that's what I do. I, in the heat of the moment, am not the best person to identify the costs and benefits of having me around in a position of responsibility in the community or at the Foundation - community and Foundation leaders are.
In regards to my Foundation role, I sat down with Sue on Friday, explained the situation to her and made clear that if she asked for my resignation, I would provide it. Not happily, because I enjoy the work I do, but not grudgingly, either; Sue's job is, amongst other things, to keep an eye on public perception. If she wants me gone, she's better-qualified to decide I'm a risk than I am. She accepted my statements, and actively refused to permit me to resign. From my point of view, I've taken the honourable action, there: accepting that there are areas others are more qualified in than me, and relying on them for navigation in those fields.
In regards to my community role, the same process applies; reach out to the appropriate arbiter and see what they say. In this case, that's the arbitration committee: they are the supreme body for dealing with user conduct issues, they are community elected, and community approved. I'm disappointed to see you accuse them of, essentially, being scared, because they haven't immediately rushed out screaming "BURN THE WITCH" - which is apparently your preferred outcome. They aren't bowing to politics, they're applying policy - both arbitration policy, which the community actively endorsed, and elements of both arbitration precedent and project-wide policy since 2007. If they decide policy extends to the point where I can be sanctioned, I'm okay with that. If they don't, they don't. But either way, I've not seen any evidence they're driving in the direction they want due to politics. If they were, the case would simply never have been accepted.
I appreciate you're likely to find both these answers and the thinking behind them unsatisfactory. Nevertheless, I thought it best to be transparent. Ironholds ( talk) 18:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Floquenbeam is giving good advice here, both for WP's sake and for your own. I assume you're aware that there's a Wikipediocracy thread about your immanent demise (230 posts and counting now, and no, I won't link it), and I hope you realize that both the "blog-o-sphere" and the "mainstream press" will eventually pick up on it.
Please don't interpret this as anything other than a well-meant heads-up. You strike me as a dedicated sort of fellow, but also a guy who has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease. Anyone who isn't advising you to gracefully back away from this mess is giving you bad advice. -- SB_Johnny | talk✌ 21:36, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I have been taking a much-needed (and much enjoyed) break from Wikipedia this week, but I feel compelled to log back in here and comment due to your rather surprising characterization of Floquenbeam as having acted dishonorably. I saw the thread on AN in which Drmies posted a good-natured "happy birthday" note to a friend, and I must say that the reaction to it has appalled me. If you thought Drmies' comment was inappropriately familiar, you should have contacted him privately, via email, or at the least on the relative privacy of his talk page, to express your concerns, rather than shaming him on a widely trafficked noticeboard. I'm surprised it needed to be pointed out that, as a subject of an ArbCom case regarding inappropriate commentary about other editors, you'd be mistaken to think it wise to opine on the appropriateness of the commentary of another editor in such a fashion. Floquenbeam was absolutely right to point this out, and I'm disappointed that your response to him was not of the "OK, I see the problem" variety. 28bytes ( talk) 20:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Did you know ... that since you expressed an opinion on the GA/DYK proposal last year, we invite you to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the matter? Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Regards, Gilderien Chat| What I've done22:50, 28 July 2013 (UTC) |
Thanks for commenting. I have moved your comment into the general discussion so it can be discussed as per the note at the top :) Just a personal reply to your point, IIRC we have only recently moved off twelve-hour 6-hook sets, which indicates to me that we have been rather deficit in material to use (it's usually 6-hour 8-ish-hook sets).-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 22:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for this: "00:44, 14 July 2013 Ironholds (talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:Yogesh Khandke from (none) to autopatrolled (good articles)" Thanks for trusting me. Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 19:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your review of my article Mount Davies Road. I have added two new sources and associated inline references, therefore request that you consider removal of the footnotes tag. Many thanks. Summerdrought ( talk) 22:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I am 99% sure that Flagrantedelicto is back with the same old aggression and POV pushing at
Talk:Muawiyah I. He already tried this once before with an
IP address, as CBW
pointed out. Now we have this new account
Special:Contributions/Zulfindar commenting on the talk page of Muawiyah - a very controversial figure on Muslim history - displaying a number of the same behaviors. If you see his contributions, he has the same ranting about Salafists and Wahhabis liking Muawiyah, the same aggressive tone calling other editors efforts "bogus" and a "pro-Muawiyah bandwagon," and the behavior of making one large edit (+2,332) followed by a series of small tweaks to the same paragraph as though it was written hastily.
@ User:Someguy1221 was the one who blocked the IP sock, but I thought I would contact you because you apparently exchanged emails with this guy per his block log. Perhaps you could judge whether an SPI is in order - I am absolutely sure that this is him but I'm not too familiar with how these checkuser things work. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 11:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
You recently tagged an article I created Gaana Bala. I don't know what it means. Why does it say the source is unclear? What can I do to add those 'Inline citations'?
- Sriram Vikram ( talk) 04:17, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
You may know about this already, but a comment you made on IRC was mentioned in a Christian Science Monitor article as an example of alleged misogyny on Wikipedia: [1] Robofish ( talk) 23:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
You got mail. T. Canens ( talk) 04:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hi - I saw that you re-granted Mishae ( talk · contribs) the autopatrolled flag. It's something worth considering, but he did have it revoked in the past. He had it granted in January 2012 but removed in December 2012 over concerns of the quality of his articles (see here. I'm not sure those concerns are unwarranted still, given this recent thread at WT:PLANTS that discusses the shortcomings on a recent article of his. He is prolific and the quality of his articles constantly needs to be checked. I assume most people patrolling the new article lists scroll by and mark his contributions as patrolled without really doing anything or looking at the prose. Regardless, I was wondering, from your perspective, whether you thought it worth it to keep his contributions without the autopatrolled flag, since they should have someone else's eyes on them even if they likely won't do anything. Cheers, Rkitko ( talk) 23:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what Seraphimblade is going on about, especially given WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES, but thank you, Ironholds for the clear answers. I'm not aware of many recent copyvios other than the ones Mishae mentions here, but he frequently runs into notability issues outside of the taxon article creation. For example, just today User:DGG posted on his talk page regarded the possibly dubious notability of some photographer articles Mishae has created. (NB: As of this message, DGG has not replied to Mishae's polite comment asking for more info.) Earlier, there was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter F. Kutschera where it was clear he didn't understand WP:BLPNOTE. Cheers, Rkitko ( talk) 02:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I'll defer on the substubs, then, rather than to note that they are deprecated and that the "outcomes" piece is not a policy/guideline, while the requirement of notability is, and that such articles should not be placed into mainspace until they are actually ready (and while one sentence, they're not ready). Regardless, though, it sounds like others should clearly be reviewing the submissions from this editor. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Wow, when did the autopatrolled flag become such a high bar? To consider removing it from someone because they write articles of debatable notability? Sheesh. Initially it was given to anyone who wasn't writing trash articles, so that the NPP folks could focus on legitimate targets for their rapidfire patrolling. It's not a badge of honor as a Good Editor (tm). Anyway, hi Ironholds! See you've been having a busy few weeks :P Nathan T 14:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
As you might expect I did wrote 2 articles which in my opinion have questionable notability just yesterday. Greg Bridges and Nykolai Aleksander (considering that the second one is a she) are all awarded with bunch of awards, but Wikipedia doesn't have even a stub on such. So, are they still notable in your opinion?-- Mishae ( talk) 15:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
The arbitration case regarding yourself and Kiefer.Wolfowitz has now closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
1) For conduct unbecoming an administrator, and for bringing the project into disrepute, Ironholds is desysopped and may regain the tools via a request for adminship.
2.2) For his history of incivility, which includes logging out to engage in vandalism and to make personal attacks on other editors on other Wikimedia projects, Ironholds is strongly admonished.
3) For numerous violations of Wikipedia's norms and policies, Kiefer.Wolfowitz is indefinitely banned from the English Language Wikipedia. He may request reconsideration of the ban twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.
For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 02:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ironholds. May I ask you a question? Are you good doing peer review? Miss Bono [zootalk] 12:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Please, ping me whenever you have done the other part of the peer review. No rush. I am so so grateful for what you are doing. Best wishes! Miss Bono [zootalk] 20:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just watched this File:Wikimania_2011_-_Conflict_resolution.ogv. I must say that I loved your presentation and you are pretty funny... and I do like British humour :P. I was raised watching Mr. Bean and George and Mildred so... you know :) Miss Bono [zootalk] 18:23, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
It was days ago and we did discuss it at the talk page too and one other editor also agreed with me that his source was not reliable and not meeting Wikipedia standards. EkoGraf ( talk) 20:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, its me again this guy above this message is an author of some biographies, one of which as the source says is notable. Need your opinion on it though as I am still confused. Another question about notability; I stumbled on this article: Andrew Jackson (baseball) and came to realize that besides that he is a 19 century black player, there is no notability what so ever. Like, I don't see any wins, that he and his team for which he played for had.-- Mishae ( talk) 03:04, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
If at any point in the future you'd like to get the tools back, just know that you'll have my full support. Kurtis (talk) 10:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
You have mine as well. Int21h ( talk) 17:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
You made a brief copyedit to Benjamin Abeles yesterday. I think you were just touching that article as part of a run of similar edits, but in case you are interested I've done a bit of work on the article. I'm not sure much more can be done, but if you have any suggestions or have time to have a look, it would help. I'm also looking to see if my changes and corrections make sense (the previous text was getting some aspects of the science and technology wrong, though those parts of the articles still need work). What I also need is someone who can read Czech and Hebrew! I've also just realised I could put this on the article talk page, and use the notifications system to link to and alert you to that, but this still feels like a user talk page message, not an article talk page message, so I'll leave it here instead (I did also leave a note with the article creator, but he isn't around at the moment). Carcharoth ( talk) 23:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Oliver. :) Do you recall where to find the copyright warnings that appear on edit pages? I cannot, and I'm working with a talk page copyright concern about a comment made in 2006 where the contributor disclaimed GFDL. We didn't have a Terms of Use then, of course, and while copyright policy was in full effect, knowing if the guy agreed to the license could be helpful in determining if the material should be removed. If he did, I'm inclined to think no, not without an official takedown.
The page is here. Your help would be much appreciated. Thanks! -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I mentioned something funny about Talk:Muawiyah I to Someguy1221. Am I paranoid to think that we might be experiencing deja vu? MezzoMezzo ( talk) 04:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I have stumbled on this article and would like to know if its neutral or not?: United States presidential election in Alaska, 1964-- Mishae ( talk) 02:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I am glad to see you editing; alleviating a concern I had after seeing more stringent sanctions brought against you than the admonishment I thought sufficient. If you ever submit to another RfA, I stand ready to support you; even today; though I understand that others might hurry to ensure a bloodbath ensues. I always respected your administrative actions and you demonstrated willingness to enforce policy even in the contentious areas most would avoid; placing political correctness over propriety. I do hope you are not correct in your above statement; "code is likely to be obsolete", and am concerned that you could be alluding to something you know, rather than suspect? If so, I wish intentions were more forthright than the portrayals I have seen, especially to my own concern which was expressed on the implementation RfC. In either regard, I wish you the best and thank you for your service to date. :) John Cline ( talk) 02:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
In the unlovely dispute between you and KW recently some good may come forth. One of the comments, true or not, concerned personality traits (or one may prefer some other description). So I wondered, assuming this to be fact rather than accusation, for what do I know of these things, whether you might be the angel in disguise that I am looking for?
If not then you may be able to point me in the right direction. This is the issue I am attempting to handle. Or, rather, the editor who is embroiled by no fault of his own in this. Fiddle Faddle 10:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I assumed you were referring to something that could actually be done. Theoretically, you could ask for it to be enabled on the village pump or on bugzilla. In practise, I suspect that there is a reason the developers have not enabled it. Additionally, Wikimedia's sites are moving to a new system for user accounts as we speak, which means that code is likely to be obsolete. Ironholds ( talk) 02:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Just to confirm (and mention the original issue briefly, since you two are having fun!), AspieNo1 has confirmed explicitly that the use of "we" refers to people giving him or her material offline. S/he is the sole user and operator of the account. S/he has confirmed that anyone else who wishes to edit Wikipedia will be instructed to create their own single user unique account. AspieNo1 makes the sole judgment and is the sole editor here. Fiddle Faddle 14:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
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You don't have to like each other, but I think you should each apologize unreservedly and directly (man to man), avoid each other in future, and disengage from the Arbcom case (half of me thinks those people are just bored and want some food to play with).
Feel free to give me what I deserve.
TCO ( talk) 21:34, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes. Yes, I did. Give me some credit. But since you are young, I will explain. Then after that I will click unwatch on each of your pages.
Go to his page, apologize directly for the lighter remark: without explaining how minor it was, without any quid pro quo, without defending yourself, and whether or not he wants to make some case against you for all your other remarks.
TCO ( talk) 22:26, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello, and thank you for the barnstar. I had a question regarding the page curation talk page here. Do you have any thoughts on the issue? If you click on the review button next to the articles in question, do you see the curation toolbar? This seems like an odd little issue. Thanks. JanetteDoe ( talk) 22:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the trust, and the kind words regarding the articles. Although I've been writing articles for a little while now (note: I wish I could tell every new editor that they should NOT start out by writing articles, which of course is exactly what I did), but I've had some very appreciated, very kind encouragement from several editors lately, which is inspiring me to actively seek other topics to write about. Again, thank you for making me feel welcomed. All the best, 78.26 ( I'm no IP, talk to me!) 02:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
You recently tagged the article on Herbert James Gunn as having an unclear citation style. What's the problem? Rjm at sleepers ( talk) 09:58, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
You recently tagged the article on Special Honours 2009 as having an unclear citation style however after a review of the article I can not find a breach of WP:MOS.
I recommend removal of the {{more footnotes}} tag unless there is a specific concern that can be cited.
Karl Stephens ( talk) 12:19, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry, I have not good ehglish. What do you mean in Nizhny Novgorod State Technical University when you write " its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations"? I added quite a lot of sources for an article of this size.These sources are good, enough informative, in English.What do you want? I will not find.I do not find many good sources on the English.They just do not, only Russian. Pet92 ( talk) 03:18, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I received an email today with the following line in it:"Your user rights were changed by Ironholds. You are now a member of this group: autoreviewer". I looked at the linked page in the email: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ListGroupRights, but couldn't find "autoreviewer". Could you please enlighten me, as you are mentioned as the person changing my status?-- Ereunetes ( talk) 17:43, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ironholds. Thanks so much for my barnstar. I wanted to jump up and down and brag, but since I work in the cataloguing branch of a big library it isn't really acceptable behaviour. Appreciate you taking the trouble. Jhouns ( talk) 00:02, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Please note that, due to several members of the Arbitration Committee recusing on the Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds case, the Committee will be restricting discussion of this matter to the arbcom-en-blists.wikimedia.org mailing list. If you have any information that should be submitted privately, please send it to this email address. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 00:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Ironholds, thanks for the barnstar and kind words! QuantifiedElf ( talk) 20:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Oliver,
I see you tagged the Greg Sepelak article for relying on one source. I created the article because it had red link, but was a highly-requested article. I was only able to find one source. I understand the tag, but wanted to give some context.
Thanks for all your contributions. Cheers! Richard Apple ( talk) 03:34, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Discussion's been hatted, but just thought I'd say I see your point now. I considered making a joke about the Saturday Night Massacre in my second post there, in terms of what would happen if the WMF tried that, but, having read your argument, now I feel like that reference might actually be spot-on.
Oh, and it was something on testwiki... I'm not gonna say the user's name, since I think his name's been dragged through the mud enough, but you can figure it out yourself if you're curious. — PinkAmpers & (Je vous invite à me parler) 02:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the Barnstar, and for changing the status of my new articles to autopatrolled. Much appreciated. NinaGreen ( talk) 20:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Before I am convinced that this entry should be deleted I would be interested in understanding the variety of reasons you consider it seems to be inappropriate. I can see you have contributed many articles to Wikipedia, but there seem to few dealing with Australian cultural institutions. So I think it is fair to ask you: Are you aware of the status of this Gallery and Sculpture Park in Melbourne and the state of Victoria ? That it hold the most important collection of Sculpture in the state of Victoria, it sponsors the the most prestigious sculpture prize in Australia ? dnw ( talk) 02:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the autopatrolling setting. Much appreciated - and a great compliment on my work. Mabalu ( talk) 09:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC) |
Hi there. As the creator of the page, I got one of those newfangled notification thingies when you templated the article. Could you be a little more specific about what you feel the problem areas are? The tag you used implies that the problem is that there are references, but they're not inline citations - but they're all inline already. Your edit summary said that it should have more footnotes, by which I assume you mean references cited. I know there's no hard and fast rules about that stuff, but six isn't too bad for a start-class article and every paragraph is supported by at least one reference, so I'm thinking there must be something specific that you feel isn't covered adequately. Could you elaborate a bit (here, or maybe the article talk page would be better)? Most articles on WP could use a few more references, but article tagging is usually reserved for articles with sections of material that are entirely unreferenced or when there's specific concerns like BLP, neither of which I think is the case here. Matt Deres ( talk) 01:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Are you trying to delete my post. They are legit i swear. They are one of my favorite groups. Please don't take the page down. I have posted this page like 3 times :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sushi biskit ( talk • contribs) 06:10, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ironholds, You recently tagged Dive light with {{ more footnotes}}. It is not clear which text you consider is unreliable. Most of the information provided is at common knowledge level amongst divers, and I don't want to spend unnecessary effort researching references that the sky is blue. Please use inline {{ Citation needed}} tags to allow efficient rectification of the problem. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 14:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Per your request at AN, I'm notifying you (in case the notification system doesn't) that I've commented on you at user talk:Fluffernutter. If you honestly shared Fluffernutter's concern about attracting and retaining more female editors who might be offended by what Drmies said, wouldn't your first step be to resign your adminship and WMF position? -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 23:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Hey Floquenbeam
Sorry for the delay; I was travelling, and then recovering from travelling. So, in order:
I consider myself an honourable person, even when dealing with dishonourable individuals, or otherwise honourable ones taking dishonourable actions - and make no mistake, I consider your perpetuation of a conversation started via email a dishonourable action. If you think you've eliminated the reasons for having it via email, you're wrong.
An honourable person has a lot of traits; one of them is that they respect their leaders and the people with authority over them, and that's what I do. I, in the heat of the moment, am not the best person to identify the costs and benefits of having me around in a position of responsibility in the community or at the Foundation - community and Foundation leaders are.
In regards to my Foundation role, I sat down with Sue on Friday, explained the situation to her and made clear that if she asked for my resignation, I would provide it. Not happily, because I enjoy the work I do, but not grudgingly, either; Sue's job is, amongst other things, to keep an eye on public perception. If she wants me gone, she's better-qualified to decide I'm a risk than I am. She accepted my statements, and actively refused to permit me to resign. From my point of view, I've taken the honourable action, there: accepting that there are areas others are more qualified in than me, and relying on them for navigation in those fields.
In regards to my community role, the same process applies; reach out to the appropriate arbiter and see what they say. In this case, that's the arbitration committee: they are the supreme body for dealing with user conduct issues, they are community elected, and community approved. I'm disappointed to see you accuse them of, essentially, being scared, because they haven't immediately rushed out screaming "BURN THE WITCH" - which is apparently your preferred outcome. They aren't bowing to politics, they're applying policy - both arbitration policy, which the community actively endorsed, and elements of both arbitration precedent and project-wide policy since 2007. If they decide policy extends to the point where I can be sanctioned, I'm okay with that. If they don't, they don't. But either way, I've not seen any evidence they're driving in the direction they want due to politics. If they were, the case would simply never have been accepted.
I appreciate you're likely to find both these answers and the thinking behind them unsatisfactory. Nevertheless, I thought it best to be transparent. Ironholds ( talk) 18:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Floquenbeam is giving good advice here, both for WP's sake and for your own. I assume you're aware that there's a Wikipediocracy thread about your immanent demise (230 posts and counting now, and no, I won't link it), and I hope you realize that both the "blog-o-sphere" and the "mainstream press" will eventually pick up on it.
Please don't interpret this as anything other than a well-meant heads-up. You strike me as a dedicated sort of fellow, but also a guy who has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease. Anyone who isn't advising you to gracefully back away from this mess is giving you bad advice. -- SB_Johnny | talk✌ 21:36, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I have been taking a much-needed (and much enjoyed) break from Wikipedia this week, but I feel compelled to log back in here and comment due to your rather surprising characterization of Floquenbeam as having acted dishonorably. I saw the thread on AN in which Drmies posted a good-natured "happy birthday" note to a friend, and I must say that the reaction to it has appalled me. If you thought Drmies' comment was inappropriately familiar, you should have contacted him privately, via email, or at the least on the relative privacy of his talk page, to express your concerns, rather than shaming him on a widely trafficked noticeboard. I'm surprised it needed to be pointed out that, as a subject of an ArbCom case regarding inappropriate commentary about other editors, you'd be mistaken to think it wise to opine on the appropriateness of the commentary of another editor in such a fashion. Floquenbeam was absolutely right to point this out, and I'm disappointed that your response to him was not of the "OK, I see the problem" variety. 28bytes ( talk) 20:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Did you know ... that since you expressed an opinion on the GA/DYK proposal last year, we invite you to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the matter? Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Regards, Gilderien Chat| What I've done22:50, 28 July 2013 (UTC) |
Thanks for commenting. I have moved your comment into the general discussion so it can be discussed as per the note at the top :) Just a personal reply to your point, IIRC we have only recently moved off twelve-hour 6-hook sets, which indicates to me that we have been rather deficit in material to use (it's usually 6-hour 8-ish-hook sets).-- Gilderien Chat| List of good deeds 22:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for this: "00:44, 14 July 2013 Ironholds (talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:Yogesh Khandke from (none) to autopatrolled (good articles)" Thanks for trusting me. Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 19:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your review of my article Mount Davies Road. I have added two new sources and associated inline references, therefore request that you consider removal of the footnotes tag. Many thanks. Summerdrought ( talk) 22:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I am 99% sure that Flagrantedelicto is back with the same old aggression and POV pushing at
Talk:Muawiyah I. He already tried this once before with an
IP address, as CBW
pointed out. Now we have this new account
Special:Contributions/Zulfindar commenting on the talk page of Muawiyah - a very controversial figure on Muslim history - displaying a number of the same behaviors. If you see his contributions, he has the same ranting about Salafists and Wahhabis liking Muawiyah, the same aggressive tone calling other editors efforts "bogus" and a "pro-Muawiyah bandwagon," and the behavior of making one large edit (+2,332) followed by a series of small tweaks to the same paragraph as though it was written hastily.
@ User:Someguy1221 was the one who blocked the IP sock, but I thought I would contact you because you apparently exchanged emails with this guy per his block log. Perhaps you could judge whether an SPI is in order - I am absolutely sure that this is him but I'm not too familiar with how these checkuser things work. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 11:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
You recently tagged an article I created Gaana Bala. I don't know what it means. Why does it say the source is unclear? What can I do to add those 'Inline citations'?
- Sriram Vikram ( talk) 04:17, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
You may know about this already, but a comment you made on IRC was mentioned in a Christian Science Monitor article as an example of alleged misogyny on Wikipedia: [1] Robofish ( talk) 23:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
You got mail. T. Canens ( talk) 04:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hi - I saw that you re-granted Mishae ( talk · contribs) the autopatrolled flag. It's something worth considering, but he did have it revoked in the past. He had it granted in January 2012 but removed in December 2012 over concerns of the quality of his articles (see here. I'm not sure those concerns are unwarranted still, given this recent thread at WT:PLANTS that discusses the shortcomings on a recent article of his. He is prolific and the quality of his articles constantly needs to be checked. I assume most people patrolling the new article lists scroll by and mark his contributions as patrolled without really doing anything or looking at the prose. Regardless, I was wondering, from your perspective, whether you thought it worth it to keep his contributions without the autopatrolled flag, since they should have someone else's eyes on them even if they likely won't do anything. Cheers, Rkitko ( talk) 23:25, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what Seraphimblade is going on about, especially given WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES, but thank you, Ironholds for the clear answers. I'm not aware of many recent copyvios other than the ones Mishae mentions here, but he frequently runs into notability issues outside of the taxon article creation. For example, just today User:DGG posted on his talk page regarded the possibly dubious notability of some photographer articles Mishae has created. (NB: As of this message, DGG has not replied to Mishae's polite comment asking for more info.) Earlier, there was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter F. Kutschera where it was clear he didn't understand WP:BLPNOTE. Cheers, Rkitko ( talk) 02:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
I'll defer on the substubs, then, rather than to note that they are deprecated and that the "outcomes" piece is not a policy/guideline, while the requirement of notability is, and that such articles should not be placed into mainspace until they are actually ready (and while one sentence, they're not ready). Regardless, though, it sounds like others should clearly be reviewing the submissions from this editor. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Wow, when did the autopatrolled flag become such a high bar? To consider removing it from someone because they write articles of debatable notability? Sheesh. Initially it was given to anyone who wasn't writing trash articles, so that the NPP folks could focus on legitimate targets for their rapidfire patrolling. It's not a badge of honor as a Good Editor (tm). Anyway, hi Ironholds! See you've been having a busy few weeks :P Nathan T 14:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
As you might expect I did wrote 2 articles which in my opinion have questionable notability just yesterday. Greg Bridges and Nykolai Aleksander (considering that the second one is a she) are all awarded with bunch of awards, but Wikipedia doesn't have even a stub on such. So, are they still notable in your opinion?-- Mishae ( talk) 15:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
The arbitration case regarding yourself and Kiefer.Wolfowitz has now closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
1) For conduct unbecoming an administrator, and for bringing the project into disrepute, Ironholds is desysopped and may regain the tools via a request for adminship.
2.2) For his history of incivility, which includes logging out to engage in vandalism and to make personal attacks on other editors on other Wikimedia projects, Ironholds is strongly admonished.
3) For numerous violations of Wikipedia's norms and policies, Kiefer.Wolfowitz is indefinitely banned from the English Language Wikipedia. He may request reconsideration of the ban twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.
For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc ( talk • contribs • logs) 02:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Ironholds. May I ask you a question? Are you good doing peer review? Miss Bono [zootalk] 12:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Please, ping me whenever you have done the other part of the peer review. No rush. I am so so grateful for what you are doing. Best wishes! Miss Bono [zootalk] 20:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
I've just watched this File:Wikimania_2011_-_Conflict_resolution.ogv. I must say that I loved your presentation and you are pretty funny... and I do like British humour :P. I was raised watching Mr. Bean and George and Mildred so... you know :) Miss Bono [zootalk] 18:23, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
It was days ago and we did discuss it at the talk page too and one other editor also agreed with me that his source was not reliable and not meeting Wikipedia standards. EkoGraf ( talk) 20:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, its me again this guy above this message is an author of some biographies, one of which as the source says is notable. Need your opinion on it though as I am still confused. Another question about notability; I stumbled on this article: Andrew Jackson (baseball) and came to realize that besides that he is a 19 century black player, there is no notability what so ever. Like, I don't see any wins, that he and his team for which he played for had.-- Mishae ( talk) 03:04, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
If at any point in the future you'd like to get the tools back, just know that you'll have my full support. Kurtis (talk) 10:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
You have mine as well. Int21h ( talk) 17:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
You made a brief copyedit to Benjamin Abeles yesterday. I think you were just touching that article as part of a run of similar edits, but in case you are interested I've done a bit of work on the article. I'm not sure much more can be done, but if you have any suggestions or have time to have a look, it would help. I'm also looking to see if my changes and corrections make sense (the previous text was getting some aspects of the science and technology wrong, though those parts of the articles still need work). What I also need is someone who can read Czech and Hebrew! I've also just realised I could put this on the article talk page, and use the notifications system to link to and alert you to that, but this still feels like a user talk page message, not an article talk page message, so I'll leave it here instead (I did also leave a note with the article creator, but he isn't around at the moment). Carcharoth ( talk) 23:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Oliver. :) Do you recall where to find the copyright warnings that appear on edit pages? I cannot, and I'm working with a talk page copyright concern about a comment made in 2006 where the contributor disclaimed GFDL. We didn't have a Terms of Use then, of course, and while copyright policy was in full effect, knowing if the guy agreed to the license could be helpful in determining if the material should be removed. If he did, I'm inclined to think no, not without an official takedown.
The page is here. Your help would be much appreciated. Thanks! -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:42, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I mentioned something funny about Talk:Muawiyah I to Someguy1221. Am I paranoid to think that we might be experiencing deja vu? MezzoMezzo ( talk) 04:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I have stumbled on this article and would like to know if its neutral or not?: United States presidential election in Alaska, 1964-- Mishae ( talk) 02:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I am glad to see you editing; alleviating a concern I had after seeing more stringent sanctions brought against you than the admonishment I thought sufficient. If you ever submit to another RfA, I stand ready to support you; even today; though I understand that others might hurry to ensure a bloodbath ensues. I always respected your administrative actions and you demonstrated willingness to enforce policy even in the contentious areas most would avoid; placing political correctness over propriety. I do hope you are not correct in your above statement; "code is likely to be obsolete", and am concerned that you could be alluding to something you know, rather than suspect? If so, I wish intentions were more forthright than the portrayals I have seen, especially to my own concern which was expressed on the implementation RfC. In either regard, I wish you the best and thank you for your service to date. :) John Cline ( talk) 02:54, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
In the unlovely dispute between you and KW recently some good may come forth. One of the comments, true or not, concerned personality traits (or one may prefer some other description). So I wondered, assuming this to be fact rather than accusation, for what do I know of these things, whether you might be the angel in disguise that I am looking for?
If not then you may be able to point me in the right direction. This is the issue I am attempting to handle. Or, rather, the editor who is embroiled by no fault of his own in this. Fiddle Faddle 10:45, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I assumed you were referring to something that could actually be done. Theoretically, you could ask for it to be enabled on the village pump or on bugzilla. In practise, I suspect that there is a reason the developers have not enabled it. Additionally, Wikimedia's sites are moving to a new system for user accounts as we speak, which means that code is likely to be obsolete. Ironholds ( talk) 02:31, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Just to confirm (and mention the original issue briefly, since you two are having fun!), AspieNo1 has confirmed explicitly that the use of "we" refers to people giving him or her material offline. S/he is the sole user and operator of the account. S/he has confirmed that anyone else who wishes to edit Wikipedia will be instructed to create their own single user unique account. AspieNo1 makes the sole judgment and is the sole editor here. Fiddle Faddle 14:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)