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I know you fixed the episode numbering on Victorious and List of Victorious episodes in the past without discussion since it was just one episode being inaccurately multi-counted, unlike iCarly, where discussion was needed since more episodes were involved and anchor links needed to be updated. We have a similar situation to Victorious with the Big Time Rush articles that should probably also be fixed. No discussion should be needed for the same reasons as the Victorious articles. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 22:51, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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First, I don't know if the episode list is still on your watchlist, but more eyes are always helpful. Disruption continues with WP:TVUPCOMING violations. See page history. Second, I'm thinking 185.51.73.128, the one you reverted earlier on Jade Pettyjohn and the one that I just reverted on Ella Anderson, might be a sock or IP hopper of 109.255.187.164 who had the same summaries, with things like "done."
Also, how dare you revert me! I'm going to revert you for being picky, and we are going to get into an edit war and both be blocked just before Christmas! How's that for a Christmas gift? (If it's not obvious, I'm messing with you. xD) Amaury ( talk | contribs) 16:23, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll be staying with the millions per Geraldo's comment, but I've been meaning to ask: For the millions, why are you fine with using something like 1.35 (1,350,000), 0.92 (920,000), 0.05 (50,000), etc.; however, when it comes to using the column for the thousands (or lower?), you're not fine with using something like 2.62 (262,000), 0.45 (45,000), etc.? Or 4.50 (45,000)? Etc., etc. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 22:34, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
If you're going to do thousands, please do "261,000" and "797,000". This discussion has come up before at places like WT:TV, and the general consensus seems to be that "261,000" is preferred over "261" "(in thousands)" or worse "2.61" "(in 100,000s)"...Bold emphasis mine. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 22:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
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Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#Filmography tables consensus was made on the new format for tables JMichael22 ( talk) 02:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@ IJBall: so only small Filmography's get it and larger ones get the sections. Okay if that is the case thank you for informing me I appreciate it greatly and from this point forward I will edit accordingly. JMichael22 ( talk) 02:58, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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I could use some (temporary, if it's not an article you watch) extra attention on Tangled: The Series. Got a disruptive IP trying to change some information to something else, citing Wikia because they're a content moderator there and because they "know what they're doing". Apparently having those two qualities means they're God and know everything. Pinging Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 as well. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 16:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
We've got, what I believe is, a first here. After posting the ratings here, I noticed that the ratings were split because, for whatever reason, Nielsen considers Nickelodeon and Nick at Nite two separate networks despite being on the same channel. So we've got 1.917 million total viewers for Nickelodeon and 1.900 million total viewers for Nick at Nite. What's odd is that Nickelodeon isn't supposed to become Nick at Nite until 10:00 PM on Saturdays. If you take a look at August 5's ratings on Showbuzz Daily, you'll see that School of Rock, which was at 9:00 PM, is listed under Nickelodeon. In any case, how should we handle this under the Viewers column on the episode list and in the average calculation on the parent article?
Also, while we should only include the Nickelodeon ratings under the Viewers column, would it be trivial to add a note stating it was simulcast on TeenNick and Nicktoons and include their ratings there? Likewise for Game Shakers' premiere. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 14:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Note added: [2]. Feel free to reword or make any other changes if necessary. I'm not exactly sure how to go about the prose, though. Like, I'm not dumb, LOL! I know what you said, I just don't know the best way to go about it. Nicktoons (#131) was at 0.33 million total viewers and TeenNick (highlights) was at 0.24 million total viewers: [3] Archived 2019-12-24 at the Wayback Machine. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 21:38, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
This episode was also simulcast on TeenNick, where it received 0.24 million total viewers, and on Nicktoons, where it received 0.33 million total viewers. In total, the episode received 2.48 million total viewers.I think that's similar to the prose for Descendants 2 on both its article and List of Disney Channel original films#Top 10. Now it's just a matter of where to place it. You said not in the table, so did you just mean not visibly in the table? Would I add it on to the note explaining the combined average? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 05:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm seriously considering just removing those simulcast notes that I added for Henry Danger and Game Shakers for the reasons I mentioned above. (I don't think it should be a problem since I'm the one who added them in the first place.) The way I look at it is that you either include simulcast ratings notes for all episodes that are simulcast or none at all. Sure, we could try to set boundaries and have them be only for series and season premieres, season and series finales, and special episodes. However, for that last one, that can be considered subjective. Some episodes are advertised as specials—for example, The Thundermans' "Save the Past Dance" on November 18 was advertised as a special—when they're not and are just being being advertised that way to bring in viewers. Actual specials are those that are longer than their usual run time, like "Danger Games," and they also have a special production code, at least on Nickelodeon they do. Disney Channel's don't seem have special production codes. Well, other than the latest season premieres for Andi Mack and Stuck in the Middle, but I think it's too early to tell if that's what all double-length episodes are going to be like from that point onward. In any case, if we start doing this, then we'll end up with IPs trying to insert those notes into everything they consider a special and the like.
The only other thing I can think of is to include the simulcast ratings in the cells themselves. The cells will just contain one number, the total viewers across however many networks—in this case, three: Nickelodeon, TeenNick, and Nicktoons. For example, 1.95M. Then in a hidden note we would break it down, such as 1.60M total viewers for Nickelodeon, 0.15M total viewers for TeenNick, and 0.20M total viewers for Nicktoons. I know people tried to do this multiple times with Game Shakers when it premiered, and they kept being reverted because only the ratings for the original channel/network should be included, such as here. However, they weren't even attempting to discuss if including the overall ratings for a particular episode would be more beneficial than just the ratings on the home channel/network, they were just doing it. The other thing is that it seems like Nickelodeon simulcasting on TeenNick and Nicktoons is the new norm now, possibly because of ratings overall declining. The last Lip Sync Battle Shorties and School of Rock were both simulcast, receiving a total of 1.51M and 1.09M total viewers, respectively. All of January's premieres will also be simulcast, it seems. So if we have that many simulcasts and the ratings are available for the lower-rated channels/networks (if they're not, over on Showbuzz Daily we can request them in a comment; however, Mitch Salem mentioned that if this becomes normal for Nickelodeon, they won't be answering those requests) and we start adding all of those, it can become excessive and excessively long, in my opinion. "Walls of text" under the episode table(s). Other than that, the only thing left is to simply just not include simulcast information at all, like we were doing before I asked about this in my original message in this section. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 21:59, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Season | Episode | Air date | Nickelodeon | TeenNick | Nicktoons | Total |
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2 | " The Beat Goes On" | September 12, 2015 | 2.13 | 0.12 | 0.19 | 2.44 |
4 | " Danger Games" | November 25, 2017 | 1.91 | 0.24 | 0.33 | 2.48 |
Should keep an eye on this user. See their contributions. Just one page as they started editing on September 10, so really not that much. They're adding excessive and unsourced categories, such as their recent changes to Henry Danger and K.C. Undercover. While I'm going per the press releases for the genres per your feedback a while ago now and slowly making those changes retroactively to articles, not even the Zap2it overview page for those shows has the genres they are adding, so they seem to be coming out of thin air. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 19:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Just a general comment. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 05:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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I have a suspicion that last edit on Liv and Maddie—that you beat me to, by the way, as when I clicked okay to confirm the revert, there you were —is a sock based on the name and the content that was added. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 05:54, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
According to my page, everyone but MPFitz1968 is watching this, so I'll ping him. Although I also know Michael is watching it now, the page is just not updated and marked. Anyway, may need some temporary extra attention. One of those editors who seems to stop and then comes back. This is a slightly different case, but I just don't trust them. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
i edited the Lindy Booth page (and others), merely trying to eliminate the year listing on each movie and television by using the rowspan edit - in my eyes, i just think it streamlines the page a little and makes it easier to read. if it's that important to you, i will stop. Eneri1953 ( talk) 03:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC) eneri1953
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I just realized that and was about to self-revert when you beat me. I saw your revert on the main article, and I guess I got conned, too, as you put it. Apologies, Majora. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Might need some extra attention there temporarily. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 17:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Zap2it still has December 1, 2017, listed for "A Killer Robot Christmas" while The Futon Critic also has that, but it is stricken out to a show scheduling change; however, it doesn't have the new date of December 8, 2017. And Disney ABC Press has nothing; in fact, a lot of season two episodes—and simultaneously production codes—are not listed there for some reason, and The Futon Critic doesn't have production codes for a lot of them. Anyway, should we source the December 8, 2017, date with something, at least temporarily until The Futon Critic updates, though I don't know how, or is the Showbuzz Daily source for the viewership sufficient? Ratings have to match an air date after all. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Is that section heading title in Alexander's latest edit MOS-compliant? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
With the premiere date now known, I just watched the article and a few more watchers probably wouldn't hurt: Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, Nyuszika7H. As for the article itself, it seems to be mostly stable, but improvements can always be made. (I see one raw reference.) Amaury ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I was just thinking about something. Backstage has 16 main cast members—Hailey Fauchere, for some reason, isn't currently listed in the lead or infobox—and it got me thinking about what we talked about in that archived discussion and where this article would fall.
Where things to get tricky is in the case of a true (small) "ensemble" show – in the case of something like Seinfeld, or Zoe, Duncan, Jack and Jane (which I'm working on currently...), you probably need to mention them all in the lede. But in the case of a "soap opera" or TV show with a similarly large cast, where you have a large ensemble cast, listing them all in the lede is a hopeless cause, so you need to focus on the "Top 1 or 2", if possible, and if not you just need to leave the cast out of the lede, and leave that to the 'Cast'/'Character' section...
Bold emphasis mine.
So is this an ensemble TV show, in which all those starring should be listed, or is this a soap opera/regular TV show, in which only one or two should be listed or none should be listed if minimizing it down to one or two is not possible due to the large number of main cast? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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What makes you think NAL is not reliable? CriticismEdits ( talk) 08:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't already an article on this. See this, which I know we can't use, just posting it. I can't seem to find anything official, but Nickelodeon has already begun promotion on the channel, which you can see here on Nickelodeon's official YouTube. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
S2 sneak peek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mf9NyoyJTA
Looks like Daan Creyghton, who portays Sal, went through puberty as he sure looks and sounds older. Not so much the other as I think he is the only young—or younger—one in the cast. It looks like there's also going to be a new main cast member. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Just says coming soon right now, but a promo just played during a commercial break during Henry Danger's "Toon in for Danger." Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Get it?
Anyway, almost done. I just want to go through the episodes thus far and confirm that the credits are good, and then we're all set. One key note to make is that Before Ever After is now being counted as, while labeled a DCOM, it essentially serves as the series' pilot, and it is also listed with the other season one episodes on Amazon: [11]. Unlike something like Good Luck Charlie, It's Christmas!, where it's not listed with the season two or three episodes at all: [12], [13]. As a matter of fact, it has its own complete standalone page: [14]. With Before Ever After, it is similar to the first episodes of 100 Things to Do Before High School and Stuck in the Middle. Also, the main characters order was changed to comply with how they are in the credits.
One other point to make is that this article seems to face the same issue that The Loud House does in that it seems like many of the non-main characters don't even belong. I know Nyuszika7H is working on The Loud House in determining who's actually notable. Since I have all the episodes of this downloaded, while going through them to check the credits, I can also look at the voice talent and additional voices credits and then do a tally at the end of how many times each name showed up in the credits and then go from there. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I didn't see it as a run-on sentence, but I'm going to come here like a proper editor and look for a potential compromise.
Okay, my copy-edit had: The Adventures of Kid Danger is an
animated American television series created by
Dan Schneider that first aired on
Nickelodeon as part of a special preview on January 15, 2018, before the official premiere on January 19, 2018.
While your wording is: The Adventures of Kid Danger is an
animated American television series created by
Dan Schneider. It first aired on
Nickelodeon as part of a special preview on January 15, 2018, before the official premiere on January 19, 2018.
To be honest with you, I actually don't have a totally good understanding of how to tell when a sentence is a run-on. Like, if the whole lead were one sentence, then yeah, that's definitely a run-on, and I've reverted things like that before. But in cases like this, it's hard to judge. I don't think a run-on sentence is one of those things that has to be a certain length before it can be considered a run-on—likewise with sentence fragments, the opposite of run-ons—it just depends on whatever variables.
For a potential compromise, would you be okay with changing "it first aired..." to "the series first aired..." I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but using "it" in a sentence, at least when it's starting a sentence, just sounds really awkward. Again, at least to me. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 04:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
The Adventures of Kid Danger is an animated American television series created by Dan Schneider that is based on Henry Danger. The series first aired on Nickelodeon as a sneak peek on January 15, 2018, before its official premiere on January 19, 2018, and features the voices of Jace Norman, Cooper Barnes, Michael D. Cohen, Riele Downs, Sean Ryan Fox, Ella Anderson, and Jeffrey Nicholas Brown.
The Adventures of Kid Danger is an animated American television series created by Dan Schneider. The series first aired on Nickelodeon as a sneak peek on January 15, 2018, before its official premiere on January 19, 2018. Based on Henry Danger, the series features the voices of Jace Norman, Cooper Barnes, Michael D. Cohen, Riele Downs, Sean Ryan Fox, Ella Anderson, and Jeffrey Nicholas Brown.
The Adventures of Kid Danger is an animated American television series created by Dan Schneider. The series first aired on Nickelodeon as a sneak peek on January 15, 2018, before its official premiere on January 19, 2018. Based on Henry Danger, it features the voices of Jace Norman, Cooper Barnes, Michael D. Cohen, Riele Downs, Sean Ryan Fox, Ella Anderson, and Jeffrey Nicholas Brown.
After how this year has started, for once, not an actual problem. However, I'm thinking the references that were added for the theme song earlier are pretty excessive and make the infobox look a little messy, and some of them don't seem to be particularly reliable, like the Sweety High one which I mentioned on GP's talk page when I inquired about something else. A single source for that should be sufficient. Something exactly like this, which is from the official channel, like what's done over at Bunk'd since that theme song title for that one isn't in the credits, either. I'd do it myself, but, other than unrelated edits or reverting vandalism, I want to let things cool down or I'll likely be accused of things again. (At least for a week or so.) Amaury ( talk | contribs) 02:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/loud-house/listings/: https://i.imgur.com/HFnjdQo.png Are you not seeing that? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 16:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Just an FYI, similar to Bunk'd and Stuck in the Middle before official announcements were finally released—not so shocking for the latter as the second season was still airing, but definitely shocking for the former— Bizaardvark has apparently been renewed for a third season. Here's a photo someone in the Twitter chat posted. The info comes from Showfax, though I don't know the exact page, but probably not a reliable source for Wikipedia, in any case, and should defs wait until Deadline posts it. On another, semi-related note, I don't know how many episodes were originally ordered, but apparently Stuck in the Middle and Andi Mack both got more episodes for their current seasons. Season extensions aren't always announced, though, so we just go by what and how many they air in those cases. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Don't forget to tune it tonight! They've been giving it hella good promotion, especially lately it seems. From watching The Thundermans and Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn Saturday and School of Rock yesterday, the promo aired about twice every commercial break. The promo also seems to be airing during the Nick at Nite block, and the only other time I saw that was with "Danger Games." Amaury ( talk | contribs) 15:29, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Please refrain from reverting edits without due cause. The references inserted in the Mario Lopez article are perfectly fine, absent statement of Specific reasons as to why such references cannot be used. Otherwise the edits will be treated summarily as abuse. Therefore, the edits have been reverted until specfic reasons are shown as to specifically why the references are inadequate. If you continue to revert without showing specifics, I will have no choice but to open up a dispute ticket against you. 108.201.29.108 ( talk) 04:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Revert is fine, but... the reverter is suspicious. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 01:50, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Went about it differently than I mentioned ( ), but I still followed up on the talk page: Talk:Raven's Home#Lead. I also made some other minor tweaks from the original text, but still free to make tweaks yourself if you don't agree with something. I trust your judgment. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Just curious, you said "some of the section reordering goes against MOS:TV" -- which ones? Damiantgordon ( talk) 16:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
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I know you fixed the episode numbering on Victorious and List of Victorious episodes in the past without discussion since it was just one episode being inaccurately multi-counted, unlike iCarly, where discussion was needed since more episodes were involved and anchor links needed to be updated. We have a similar situation to Victorious with the Big Time Rush articles that should probably also be fixed. No discussion should be needed for the same reasons as the Victorious articles. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 22:51, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
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First, I don't know if the episode list is still on your watchlist, but more eyes are always helpful. Disruption continues with WP:TVUPCOMING violations. See page history. Second, I'm thinking 185.51.73.128, the one you reverted earlier on Jade Pettyjohn and the one that I just reverted on Ella Anderson, might be a sock or IP hopper of 109.255.187.164 who had the same summaries, with things like "done."
Also, how dare you revert me! I'm going to revert you for being picky, and we are going to get into an edit war and both be blocked just before Christmas! How's that for a Christmas gift? (If it's not obvious, I'm messing with you. xD) Amaury ( talk | contribs) 16:23, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
I'll be staying with the millions per Geraldo's comment, but I've been meaning to ask: For the millions, why are you fine with using something like 1.35 (1,350,000), 0.92 (920,000), 0.05 (50,000), etc.; however, when it comes to using the column for the thousands (or lower?), you're not fine with using something like 2.62 (262,000), 0.45 (45,000), etc.? Or 4.50 (45,000)? Etc., etc. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 22:34, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
If you're going to do thousands, please do "261,000" and "797,000". This discussion has come up before at places like WT:TV, and the general consensus seems to be that "261,000" is preferred over "261" "(in thousands)" or worse "2.61" "(in 100,000s)"...Bold emphasis mine. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 22:53, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
Amaury ( talk | contribs) 08:16, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#Filmography tables consensus was made on the new format for tables JMichael22 ( talk) 02:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
@ IJBall: so only small Filmography's get it and larger ones get the sections. Okay if that is the case thank you for informing me I appreciate it greatly and from this point forward I will edit accordingly. JMichael22 ( talk) 02:58, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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I could use some (temporary, if it's not an article you watch) extra attention on Tangled: The Series. Got a disruptive IP trying to change some information to something else, citing Wikia because they're a content moderator there and because they "know what they're doing". Apparently having those two qualities means they're God and know everything. Pinging Geraldo Perez and MPFitz1968 as well. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 16:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
We've got, what I believe is, a first here. After posting the ratings here, I noticed that the ratings were split because, for whatever reason, Nielsen considers Nickelodeon and Nick at Nite two separate networks despite being on the same channel. So we've got 1.917 million total viewers for Nickelodeon and 1.900 million total viewers for Nick at Nite. What's odd is that Nickelodeon isn't supposed to become Nick at Nite until 10:00 PM on Saturdays. If you take a look at August 5's ratings on Showbuzz Daily, you'll see that School of Rock, which was at 9:00 PM, is listed under Nickelodeon. In any case, how should we handle this under the Viewers column on the episode list and in the average calculation on the parent article?
Also, while we should only include the Nickelodeon ratings under the Viewers column, would it be trivial to add a note stating it was simulcast on TeenNick and Nicktoons and include their ratings there? Likewise for Game Shakers' premiere. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 14:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Note added: [2]. Feel free to reword or make any other changes if necessary. I'm not exactly sure how to go about the prose, though. Like, I'm not dumb, LOL! I know what you said, I just don't know the best way to go about it. Nicktoons (#131) was at 0.33 million total viewers and TeenNick (highlights) was at 0.24 million total viewers: [3] Archived 2019-12-24 at the Wayback Machine. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 21:38, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
This episode was also simulcast on TeenNick, where it received 0.24 million total viewers, and on Nicktoons, where it received 0.33 million total viewers. In total, the episode received 2.48 million total viewers.I think that's similar to the prose for Descendants 2 on both its article and List of Disney Channel original films#Top 10. Now it's just a matter of where to place it. You said not in the table, so did you just mean not visibly in the table? Would I add it on to the note explaining the combined average? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 05:13, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm seriously considering just removing those simulcast notes that I added for Henry Danger and Game Shakers for the reasons I mentioned above. (I don't think it should be a problem since I'm the one who added them in the first place.) The way I look at it is that you either include simulcast ratings notes for all episodes that are simulcast or none at all. Sure, we could try to set boundaries and have them be only for series and season premieres, season and series finales, and special episodes. However, for that last one, that can be considered subjective. Some episodes are advertised as specials—for example, The Thundermans' "Save the Past Dance" on November 18 was advertised as a special—when they're not and are just being being advertised that way to bring in viewers. Actual specials are those that are longer than their usual run time, like "Danger Games," and they also have a special production code, at least on Nickelodeon they do. Disney Channel's don't seem have special production codes. Well, other than the latest season premieres for Andi Mack and Stuck in the Middle, but I think it's too early to tell if that's what all double-length episodes are going to be like from that point onward. In any case, if we start doing this, then we'll end up with IPs trying to insert those notes into everything they consider a special and the like.
The only other thing I can think of is to include the simulcast ratings in the cells themselves. The cells will just contain one number, the total viewers across however many networks—in this case, three: Nickelodeon, TeenNick, and Nicktoons. For example, 1.95M. Then in a hidden note we would break it down, such as 1.60M total viewers for Nickelodeon, 0.15M total viewers for TeenNick, and 0.20M total viewers for Nicktoons. I know people tried to do this multiple times with Game Shakers when it premiered, and they kept being reverted because only the ratings for the original channel/network should be included, such as here. However, they weren't even attempting to discuss if including the overall ratings for a particular episode would be more beneficial than just the ratings on the home channel/network, they were just doing it. The other thing is that it seems like Nickelodeon simulcasting on TeenNick and Nicktoons is the new norm now, possibly because of ratings overall declining. The last Lip Sync Battle Shorties and School of Rock were both simulcast, receiving a total of 1.51M and 1.09M total viewers, respectively. All of January's premieres will also be simulcast, it seems. So if we have that many simulcasts and the ratings are available for the lower-rated channels/networks (if they're not, over on Showbuzz Daily we can request them in a comment; however, Mitch Salem mentioned that if this becomes normal for Nickelodeon, they won't be answering those requests) and we start adding all of those, it can become excessive and excessively long, in my opinion. "Walls of text" under the episode table(s). Other than that, the only thing left is to simply just not include simulcast information at all, like we were doing before I asked about this in my original message in this section. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 21:59, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Season | Episode | Air date | Nickelodeon | TeenNick | Nicktoons | Total |
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2 | " The Beat Goes On" | September 12, 2015 | 2.13 | 0.12 | 0.19 | 2.44 |
4 | " Danger Games" | November 25, 2017 | 1.91 | 0.24 | 0.33 | 2.48 |
Should keep an eye on this user. See their contributions. Just one page as they started editing on September 10, so really not that much. They're adding excessive and unsourced categories, such as their recent changes to Henry Danger and K.C. Undercover. While I'm going per the press releases for the genres per your feedback a while ago now and slowly making those changes retroactively to articles, not even the Zap2it overview page for those shows has the genres they are adding, so they seem to be coming out of thin air. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 19:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Just a general comment. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 05:17, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
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I have a suspicion that last edit on Liv and Maddie—that you beat me to, by the way, as when I clicked okay to confirm the revert, there you were —is a sock based on the name and the content that was added. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 05:54, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
According to my page, everyone but MPFitz1968 is watching this, so I'll ping him. Although I also know Michael is watching it now, the page is just not updated and marked. Anyway, may need some temporary extra attention. One of those editors who seems to stop and then comes back. This is a slightly different case, but I just don't trust them. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
i edited the Lindy Booth page (and others), merely trying to eliminate the year listing on each movie and television by using the rowspan edit - in my eyes, i just think it streamlines the page a little and makes it easier to read. if it's that important to you, i will stop. Eneri1953 ( talk) 03:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC) eneri1953
P.s. - i have also been researching, mainly through IMDB, the original station airing on those films listed as television movies/films and then adding it to the movie/film notes. Eneri1953 ( talk) 03:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC) eneri1953
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I just realized that and was about to self-revert when you beat me. I saw your revert on the main article, and I guess I got conned, too, as you put it. Apologies, Majora. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Might need some extra attention there temporarily. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 17:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Zap2it still has December 1, 2017, listed for "A Killer Robot Christmas" while The Futon Critic also has that, but it is stricken out to a show scheduling change; however, it doesn't have the new date of December 8, 2017. And Disney ABC Press has nothing; in fact, a lot of season two episodes—and simultaneously production codes—are not listed there for some reason, and The Futon Critic doesn't have production codes for a lot of them. Anyway, should we source the December 8, 2017, date with something, at least temporarily until The Futon Critic updates, though I don't know how, or is the Showbuzz Daily source for the viewership sufficient? Ratings have to match an air date after all. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Is that section heading title in Alexander's latest edit MOS-compliant? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
With the premiere date now known, I just watched the article and a few more watchers probably wouldn't hurt: Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, Nyuszika7H. As for the article itself, it seems to be mostly stable, but improvements can always be made. (I see one raw reference.) Amaury ( talk | contribs) 03:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
I was just thinking about something. Backstage has 16 main cast members—Hailey Fauchere, for some reason, isn't currently listed in the lead or infobox—and it got me thinking about what we talked about in that archived discussion and where this article would fall.
Where things to get tricky is in the case of a true (small) "ensemble" show – in the case of something like Seinfeld, or Zoe, Duncan, Jack and Jane (which I'm working on currently...), you probably need to mention them all in the lede. But in the case of a "soap opera" or TV show with a similarly large cast, where you have a large ensemble cast, listing them all in the lede is a hopeless cause, so you need to focus on the "Top 1 or 2", if possible, and if not you just need to leave the cast out of the lede, and leave that to the 'Cast'/'Character' section...
Bold emphasis mine.
So is this an ensemble TV show, in which all those starring should be listed, or is this a soap opera/regular TV show, in which only one or two should be listed or none should be listed if minimizing it down to one or two is not possible due to the large number of main cast? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:52, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Amaury ( talk | contribs) 13:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
What makes you think NAL is not reliable? CriticismEdits ( talk) 08:45, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't already an article on this. See this, which I know we can't use, just posting it. I can't seem to find anything official, but Nickelodeon has already begun promotion on the channel, which you can see here on Nickelodeon's official YouTube. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
S2 sneak peek: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mf9NyoyJTA
Looks like Daan Creyghton, who portays Sal, went through puberty as he sure looks and sounds older. Not so much the other as I think he is the only young—or younger—one in the cast. It looks like there's also going to be a new main cast member. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Just says coming soon right now, but a promo just played during a commercial break during Henry Danger's "Toon in for Danger." Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Get it?
Anyway, almost done. I just want to go through the episodes thus far and confirm that the credits are good, and then we're all set. One key note to make is that Before Ever After is now being counted as, while labeled a DCOM, it essentially serves as the series' pilot, and it is also listed with the other season one episodes on Amazon: [11]. Unlike something like Good Luck Charlie, It's Christmas!, where it's not listed with the season two or three episodes at all: [12], [13]. As a matter of fact, it has its own complete standalone page: [14]. With Before Ever After, it is similar to the first episodes of 100 Things to Do Before High School and Stuck in the Middle. Also, the main characters order was changed to comply with how they are in the credits.
One other point to make is that this article seems to face the same issue that The Loud House does in that it seems like many of the non-main characters don't even belong. I know Nyuszika7H is working on The Loud House in determining who's actually notable. Since I have all the episodes of this downloaded, while going through them to check the credits, I can also look at the voice talent and additional voices credits and then do a tally at the end of how many times each name showed up in the credits and then go from there. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
I didn't see it as a run-on sentence, but I'm going to come here like a proper editor and look for a potential compromise.
Okay, my copy-edit had: The Adventures of Kid Danger is an
animated American television series created by
Dan Schneider that first aired on
Nickelodeon as part of a special preview on January 15, 2018, before the official premiere on January 19, 2018.
While your wording is: The Adventures of Kid Danger is an
animated American television series created by
Dan Schneider. It first aired on
Nickelodeon as part of a special preview on January 15, 2018, before the official premiere on January 19, 2018.
To be honest with you, I actually don't have a totally good understanding of how to tell when a sentence is a run-on. Like, if the whole lead were one sentence, then yeah, that's definitely a run-on, and I've reverted things like that before. But in cases like this, it's hard to judge. I don't think a run-on sentence is one of those things that has to be a certain length before it can be considered a run-on—likewise with sentence fragments, the opposite of run-ons—it just depends on whatever variables.
For a potential compromise, would you be okay with changing "it first aired..." to "the series first aired..." I don't know. Maybe it's just me, but using "it" in a sentence, at least when it's starting a sentence, just sounds really awkward. Again, at least to me. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 04:59, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
The Adventures of Kid Danger is an animated American television series created by Dan Schneider that is based on Henry Danger. The series first aired on Nickelodeon as a sneak peek on January 15, 2018, before its official premiere on January 19, 2018, and features the voices of Jace Norman, Cooper Barnes, Michael D. Cohen, Riele Downs, Sean Ryan Fox, Ella Anderson, and Jeffrey Nicholas Brown.
The Adventures of Kid Danger is an animated American television series created by Dan Schneider. The series first aired on Nickelodeon as a sneak peek on January 15, 2018, before its official premiere on January 19, 2018. Based on Henry Danger, the series features the voices of Jace Norman, Cooper Barnes, Michael D. Cohen, Riele Downs, Sean Ryan Fox, Ella Anderson, and Jeffrey Nicholas Brown.
The Adventures of Kid Danger is an animated American television series created by Dan Schneider. The series first aired on Nickelodeon as a sneak peek on January 15, 2018, before its official premiere on January 19, 2018. Based on Henry Danger, it features the voices of Jace Norman, Cooper Barnes, Michael D. Cohen, Riele Downs, Sean Ryan Fox, Ella Anderson, and Jeffrey Nicholas Brown.
After how this year has started, for once, not an actual problem. However, I'm thinking the references that were added for the theme song earlier are pretty excessive and make the infobox look a little messy, and some of them don't seem to be particularly reliable, like the Sweety High one which I mentioned on GP's talk page when I inquired about something else. A single source for that should be sufficient. Something exactly like this, which is from the official channel, like what's done over at Bunk'd since that theme song title for that one isn't in the credits, either. I'd do it myself, but, other than unrelated edits or reverting vandalism, I want to let things cool down or I'll likely be accused of things again. (At least for a week or so.) Amaury ( talk | contribs) 02:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/loud-house/listings/: https://i.imgur.com/HFnjdQo.png Are you not seeing that? Amaury ( talk | contribs) 16:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Just an FYI, similar to Bunk'd and Stuck in the Middle before official announcements were finally released—not so shocking for the latter as the second season was still airing, but definitely shocking for the former— Bizaardvark has apparently been renewed for a third season. Here's a photo someone in the Twitter chat posted. The info comes from Showfax, though I don't know the exact page, but probably not a reliable source for Wikipedia, in any case, and should defs wait until Deadline posts it. On another, semi-related note, I don't know how many episodes were originally ordered, but apparently Stuck in the Middle and Andi Mack both got more episodes for their current seasons. Season extensions aren't always announced, though, so we just go by what and how many they air in those cases. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 00:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Don't forget to tune it tonight! They've been giving it hella good promotion, especially lately it seems. From watching The Thundermans and Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn Saturday and School of Rock yesterday, the promo aired about twice every commercial break. The promo also seems to be airing during the Nick at Nite block, and the only other time I saw that was with "Danger Games." Amaury ( talk | contribs) 15:29, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Please refrain from reverting edits without due cause. The references inserted in the Mario Lopez article are perfectly fine, absent statement of Specific reasons as to why such references cannot be used. Otherwise the edits will be treated summarily as abuse. Therefore, the edits have been reverted until specfic reasons are shown as to specifically why the references are inadequate. If you continue to revert without showing specifics, I will have no choice but to open up a dispute ticket against you. 108.201.29.108 ( talk) 04:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Revert is fine, but... the reverter is suspicious. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 01:50, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Went about it differently than I mentioned ( ), but I still followed up on the talk page: Talk:Raven's Home#Lead. I also made some other minor tweaks from the original text, but still free to make tweaks yourself if you don't agree with something. I trust your judgment. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 18:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Just curious, you said "some of the section reordering goes against MOS:TV" -- which ones? Damiantgordon ( talk) 16:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)