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- Hello. I am a Webull insider and made changes to Webull's page in order to make the description of markets in which Webull operates, its corporate webpage and its ownership structure more accurate. The changes you reverted back to reference sources that concern the wrong entity and are no longer accurate. For example, the statement that Webull is owned by Fumi Technologies referenced an outdated brokercheck.org sheet concerning the wrong Webull entity. Webull Financial LLC, which is a subsidiary of Webull Corporation (the entity that the article is about), is a FINRA member who must publish its information on brokercheck.org, and its updated brokercheck.org sheet (available here: https://files.brokercheck.finra.org/firm/firm_289063.pdf) now states that Webull Financial LLC is ultimately held by Webull Corporation. Of course, that says nothing as to who the owners of Webull Corporation are, which is the topic of this article. I can assure that Webull Corporation is owned by a variety of global private equity firms, but this information is confidential and not something we publicly disclose. To say Webull Corporation is only owned by Chinese PE firms is simply wrong and also misleading, because Chinese PE firms hold significantly less than half of Webull's equity interests, so a broad description such as I have revised to is much more accurate. Further Webull has recently launched in several additional markets, information which is available on webullcorp.com, Webull's website for information about the company, not the webull.com site you reverted to, which is designed for customer trading. FatherOf5 ( talk) 14:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi FatherOf5! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of
WeBull several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the
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All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:WeBull, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. CNMall41 ( talk) 06:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
As stated in the edit summary, your revisions were reverted because of several reasons. First, you say you are an insider of Webull which indicates you have a WP:COI. You will need to read both that guideline and WP:PAID and make the appropriate disclosure. Also, the information you added is problematic. Some information you changed without providing a source, other information was promotional, and the sources you provided for other content are press releases which cannot be used to support the content you used them for. I would also caution you about edit warring. The changes are challenged based on the sourcing (or lack thereof) and you will need consensus per WP:BRD. CNMall41 ( talk) 06:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Okay. I am new to this and my sole interest is to make the article accurate. I just made a long post into the Talk page of the Webull article, explaining the inaccuracies and disclosing my COI. But please tell me (1) which information did I change without providing a source? and (2) which changes were promotional? I don't believe I engage in any of these activities, so please explain why you are saying this so I know how to improve. I note that certain sources in the current article are outdated, so removing a statement based on an outdated article (such as the claim that Webull is owned by Fumi Technologies) shouldn't require a source, because if you were to click on the referenced source you would see that source has since been updated making the original statement false.
BTW, why do you feel so passionately about the Webull article? What is your interest?
FatherOf5 ( talk) 07:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC) - Also, the WaPo article your just added verifies nothing. It's an op-ed by a politician, and I guarantee that he got this information from Wikipedia or other lazy journalists that received their information Wikipedia. This FINRA filing (
https://files.brokercheck.finra.org/firm/firm_289063.pdf) verifies that Webull Financial LLC, the US broker dealer that Zeldin is whining about, is owned by Webull Corporation, the company that this article is about!
I am sure you are doing this in good faith, but you don't know what you are talking about.
FatherOf5 ( talk) 07:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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I was unaware of the conflict of interest policy at the time I made these edits, but I am now aware and will abide by them going forward. I realize that it is important for COIs to be disclosed in order to protect the integrity of the information on Wikipedia. I assure you that my sole purpose in desiring to edit Webull's Wikipedia page to is to make sure that only accurate information is availalbe. FatherOf5 ( talk) 18:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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I am sorry, but I thought Conflict of Interest included the fact that I am an employee of and therefore paid by Webull. Is there anything else I need to disclose? I would hope that you can appreciate that because I am a Webull insider I know the company better than anyone and am better positioned than anyone to make sure Webull's page is accurate. And right now, it simply is not accurate. As for the accusation of abusing multiple accounts, I can only plead not guilty. I asked a colleague to look into getting our Wikipedia page fixed because there are many mistakes on it that continue to cause us problems as a company. I told my colleague to be upfront and disclose his conflicts and make sure that we go in the front door, and as a result we are now being punished. Is there someone that can help us through this process of getting things fixed and in a way that complies with all of your rules?
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talk) 01:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)- I am sorry, but how did I engage in abusing multiple accounts? I asked a colleague to look into getting our Wikipedia page fixed because there are many mistakes on it that continue to cause us problems because reporters look to Wikipedia as a trustworthy source of information. I told my colleague to be upfront and disclose his conflicts and make sure that we go in the front door, and as a result we are now being punished? Is there someone that can help us through this process of getting things fixed and in a way that complies with all of your rules? FatherOf5 ( talk) 20:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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What you describe is meat puppetry as you are blocked, you shouldn't be asking others to edit for you while you are blocked, nor should anyone else at your company attempt to edit about it while you are blocked. If reporters are using Wikipedia as a "trustworthy source of information", they are in error to do so, as Wikipedia does not guarantee that the information here is valid or accurate, see the General disclaimer. Wikipedia should not be trusted blindly. 331dot ( talk) 09:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I am sorry about the meat puppetry or whatever name you want to ascribe to my attempts to simply correct factual inaccuracies in the Webull article. I agree with you that reporters are in error for using Wikipedia as a source, but that doesn't change the fact that they do. My concern is correcting the article. Can you please unblock me so that I can make the edits? I promise to disclose my conflict of interest and the fact that I am a paid employee of Webull, and anything else that you want me to disclose, and will make sure that others at Webull that make any edits make similar disclosures.
- I've converted your second unblock request into a comment. You are permitted only one unblock request at a time.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 20:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- My apologies. I just feel like I am getting nowhere with my attempts to unblock my account. It seems like everything I do runs up against some rule. Wikipedia seems like a minefield of rules that are intended to protect the integrity of the system, but in reality prevent people from making edits that are needed to make the articles accurate. Regardless, I hope someone can unblock my account soon. FatherOf5 ( talk) 04:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Bojo1498. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article,
Webull, but you didn't provide a
reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to
include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at
referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thank you.
(bojo)(they/them)
(talk) 05:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hello. I am a Webull insider and made changes to Webull's page in order to make the description of markets in which Webull operates, its corporate webpage and its ownership structure more accurate. The changes you reverted back to reference sources that concern the wrong entity and are no longer accurate. For example, the statement that Webull is owned by Fumi Technologies referenced an outdated brokercheck.org sheet concerning the wrong Webull entity. Webull Financial LLC, which is a subsidiary of Webull Corporation (the entity that the article is about), is a FINRA member who must publish its information on brokercheck.org, and its updated brokercheck.org sheet (available here: https://files.brokercheck.finra.org/firm/firm_289063.pdf) now states that Webull Financial LLC is ultimately held by Webull Corporation. Of course, that says nothing as to who the owners of Webull Corporation are, which is the topic of this article. I can assure that Webull Corporation is owned by a variety of global private equity firms, but this information is confidential and not something we publicly disclose. To say Webull Corporation is only owned by Chinese PE firms is simply wrong and also misleading, because Chinese PE firms hold significantly less than half of Webull's equity interests, so a broad description such as I have revised to is much more accurate. Further Webull has recently launched in several additional markets, information which is available on webullcorp.com, Webull's website for information about the company, not the webull.com site you reverted to, which is designed for customer trading. FatherOf5 ( talk) 14:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi FatherOf5! I noticed that you have reverted to restore your preferred version of
WeBull several times. The impulse to undo an edit you disagree with is understandable, but I wanted to make sure you're aware that the
edit warring policy disallows repeated reversions even if they are justifiable.
All editors are expected to discuss content disputes on article talk pages to try to reach consensus. If you are unable to agree at Talk:WeBull, please use one of the dispute resolution options to seek input from others. Using this approach instead of reverting can help you avoid getting drawn into an edit war. Thank you. CNMall41 ( talk) 06:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
As stated in the edit summary, your revisions were reverted because of several reasons. First, you say you are an insider of Webull which indicates you have a WP:COI. You will need to read both that guideline and WP:PAID and make the appropriate disclosure. Also, the information you added is problematic. Some information you changed without providing a source, other information was promotional, and the sources you provided for other content are press releases which cannot be used to support the content you used them for. I would also caution you about edit warring. The changes are challenged based on the sourcing (or lack thereof) and you will need consensus per WP:BRD. CNMall41 ( talk) 06:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
- Okay. I am new to this and my sole interest is to make the article accurate. I just made a long post into the Talk page of the Webull article, explaining the inaccuracies and disclosing my COI. But please tell me (1) which information did I change without providing a source? and (2) which changes were promotional? I don't believe I engage in any of these activities, so please explain why you are saying this so I know how to improve. I note that certain sources in the current article are outdated, so removing a statement based on an outdated article (such as the claim that Webull is owned by Fumi Technologies) shouldn't require a source, because if you were to click on the referenced source you would see that source has since been updated making the original statement false.
BTW, why do you feel so passionately about the Webull article? What is your interest?
FatherOf5 ( talk) 07:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC) - Also, the WaPo article your just added verifies nothing. It's an op-ed by a politician, and I guarantee that he got this information from Wikipedia or other lazy journalists that received their information Wikipedia. This FINRA filing (
https://files.brokercheck.finra.org/firm/firm_289063.pdf) verifies that Webull Financial LLC, the US broker dealer that Zeldin is whining about, is owned by Webull Corporation, the company that this article is about!
I am sure you are doing this in good faith, but you don't know what you are talking about.
FatherOf5 ( talk) 07:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.
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contribs) 18:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)- Before you resume editing any page, you need to disclose your COI/paid-editor as required by WP:COI. If you have any questions about the policy, please ask them as soon as possible, as future violations may lead to escalating sitewide blocks. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 18:47, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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I am sorry, but I thought Conflict of Interest included the fact that I am an employee of and therefore paid by Webull. Is there anything else I need to disclose? I would hope that you can appreciate that because I am a Webull insider I know the company better than anyone and am better positioned than anyone to make sure Webull's page is accurate. And right now, it simply is not accurate. As for the accusation of abusing multiple accounts, I can only plead not guilty. I asked a colleague to look into getting our Wikipedia page fixed because there are many mistakes on it that continue to cause us problems as a company. I told my colleague to be upfront and disclose his conflicts and make sure that we go in the front door, and as a result we are now being punished. Is there someone that can help us through this process of getting things fixed and in a way that complies with all of your rules?
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Bbb23 (
talk) 01:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)- I am sorry, but how did I engage in abusing multiple accounts? I asked a colleague to look into getting our Wikipedia page fixed because there are many mistakes on it that continue to cause us problems because reporters look to Wikipedia as a trustworthy source of information. I told my colleague to be upfront and disclose his conflicts and make sure that we go in the front door, and as a result we are now being punished? Is there someone that can help us through this process of getting things fixed and in a way that complies with all of your rules? FatherOf5 ( talk) 20:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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What you describe is meat puppetry as you are blocked, you shouldn't be asking others to edit for you while you are blocked, nor should anyone else at your company attempt to edit about it while you are blocked. If reporters are using Wikipedia as a "trustworthy source of information", they are in error to do so, as Wikipedia does not guarantee that the information here is valid or accurate, see the General disclaimer. Wikipedia should not be trusted blindly. 331dot ( talk) 09:21, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
I am sorry about the meat puppetry or whatever name you want to ascribe to my attempts to simply correct factual inaccuracies in the Webull article. I agree with you that reporters are in error for using Wikipedia as a source, but that doesn't change the fact that they do. My concern is correcting the article. Can you please unblock me so that I can make the edits? I promise to disclose my conflict of interest and the fact that I am a paid employee of Webull, and anything else that you want me to disclose, and will make sure that others at Webull that make any edits make similar disclosures.
- I've converted your second unblock request into a comment. You are permitted only one unblock request at a time.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 20:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- My apologies. I just feel like I am getting nowhere with my attempts to unblock my account. It seems like everything I do runs up against some rule. Wikipedia seems like a minefield of rules that are intended to protect the integrity of the system, but in reality prevent people from making edits that are needed to make the articles accurate. Regardless, I hope someone can unblock my account soon. FatherOf5 ( talk) 04:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)