a thanks do cuz You send me all of those great pages of hurricane images with histerical tag lines, but I had nothing to give back.

It's payback, and this time, it's personal.

A user on a weather message board sent me a link for satellite images, round the clock, since 1983!!!! That's right. Diana? Right here. Klaus? Here!. How about Lili from 1984? You got it!.

The link to the homepage is: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/rsad/gibbs/gibbs.html This has WPAC, EPAC, and Atlantic, and has almost infinite potential.

Enjoy! Hurricanehink 15:40, 1 January 2006 (UTC) reply

LOL, I was hoping you would like it. Yea, I cropped the images, but where else are you going to find some of those images? I felt as excited as you are right now when I first saw that. Unfortunately, there are times when you can't get the entire Atlanic Ocean, or another area doesn't show up, but this is still the best thing we have so far for day to day information. I'm sure you will put it to great use. Hurricanehink 21:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Don't worry, I only take images from websites that end in .gov or .mil. I'll admit, some of your images were tempting to quickly add in (mainly 1995), but I figured because it was your private collection, you might not want it. However, are you still opposed to the pics for every storm? What would you rather have? A pic for every available storm, or an article for every storm? I will leave them in the season talk pages for now for seasons before 2000 until we reach a consensus. Just a heads up, some people, like CrazyC83, wants to have a storm for every article back to 1995 as a long term project. Be prepared for an argument if and when that ever comes up some place. Talk to you later. Hurricanehink 20:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Your fear for articles for every storm is coming true. We have three pointless articles by the same person that should be merged. Hurricane Edouard (1996), Hurricane Erika (1997), and Hurricane Karl (2004). Will it never end? Hurricanehink 22:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you! I couldn't well do it myself, as there was no consensus than. I have the same bad feeling about the user. He (she/it) will probably revert every time we redirect it, and make more pointless articles. The only good part is the fact he is technically using proper format (infobox, layout, everything but categories and atrocious writing). Hopefully the user will get the picture and take his time elsewhere. Hurricanehink 00:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hopefully they'll get the point. We anti-new articles need to organize more. I'm sure there's more than you and me. Hurricanehink 12:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC) reply

True, but we somehow have to convince them there is no need, despite what others think. Personally, I prefer to remain out of modern seasons due to constant conflict, but this is a little much. Hurricanehink 16:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Very sneaky... :) I'll be sure to put in my support for the merging. Hurricanehink 17:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Just wanted to stop in and offer my sincere thanks for your support of my recently passed RfA. Your comments were incredibly kind, and I can only hope you continue to think well of me now that I'm able to do more to help out the wiki! -- InShaneee 04:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok, let's face it. You suck. Or is that blow, since you're addicted to hurricanes? Just kidding :) Anyways, I got curious about you and adminship after a comment you made on the RfA talk page. I know you've had a prior RfA, and reviewed that vs. your overall contributions. Virtually all of the oppose/neutral comments on your failed RfA had to do with a lack of participation in the Wikipedia and WP Talk namespaces. Looking at your overall contributions, your participation in that area is now 6% of your total edits (173 edits of 2898 total). I think the critics on this point would be satisfied now. Also, you have 52 edits to AfD pages and 64 reverts. However, some people may raise concerns about your use of edit summaries. Over the last 500 edits, it's just 43%. Ouch. In the main namespace, it's 61% overall. Still a bit low. It's been just over two months since your last RfA. I think if you wait another month, improve your use of edit summaries and continue to increase participation in WP/WP Talk and AfD and increase your vandal fighting a bit your RfA would sail through. -- Durin 16:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC) reply

• Oh no worries about the comment. I didn't find any problem with it! It perked my curiosity, that's all. All the best, -- Durin 18:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I want to thank you for helping me stop Quadell's power grab. That son of a bitch belongs in jail, not as a bureaucrat! Crimes against nature should always immediately disqualify all nominees for Bureaucratiship.

Good point, and that list will be really helpful. Hurricanehink 03:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Yea, sure. I'll try and help, though I can't promise anything for the next two months. College auditions are in two weeks for music schools, but in my spare time what else would I be doing? I'll start the list up in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones so we can discuss there. Hurricanehink 04:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Merging doesn't just mean deleting. In the case of Tropical Storm Odette (2003), it means merging all of the useful information back into the season article. For older storms the storm history should be merged too, since it takes lots of research to write those things, but for new storms the TCR is plenty. Jdorje 05:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Pgk's RFA

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Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (80/3/0), so I am now an administrator. I was flattered by the level of support and the comments, so I'm under real pressure not to disappoint, thus if you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as an admin then please leave me a note -- pgk^{( talk)} 10:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

Francs2000's Bureaucratship

Thanks for your support on my request for bureaucratship.

The final outcome was (70/5/0), so I am now a bureaucrat. I seriously didn't expect so many good comments from everybody and I appreciated the constructive criticism from those that gave it. If you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as a bureaucrat then please leave me a note. -- Francs 2000 22:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC) reply

you like Coldplay, Evanesance, and Green Day too?!

That is so amazing! Say, do you like a certain Green Day member? I like Billie Joe Armstrong.

I apologize for bursting in here.....but hi! I hope you'll visit my page! I will be able to reply shortly. so go ahead and leave a message! see ya! Chef Clover 00:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC) reply

(sigh) you have to know 3 things:

• Green Day has 3 main members: Billie Joe Armstrong-songwriter, lead vocals, and lead guitar; Mike Dirnt-bass, back-up vocals, and is second choice for me; and Tré Cool-the drummer.

• Coldplay-do you like their song, "Speed of Sound" (the video, too?)

• Backstreet Boys-They are awesome! I love them! And they're ba-ack! Their album, Never Gone, was released June 14th of 2005. Consisting of AJ McLean (28), Nick Carter (25), Kevin Richardson (34), Brian Littrell (30), and Howie Dorough (32), they melt the hearts of fans everywhere in every country.

Anyways, what's up? You going to a concert soon? What's going on with the Euro?

Keep in touch! Chef Clover 21:59, 12 January 2006 (UTC) reply

You're still kidding!

This is crazy! I like jazz! I mean, come on! My favorite song is by Duke Ellington, "Take the A-Train." (Is that how you spell it?) It's really mellow and calming. But why hate pop/rock/R&B? It's not as depressing as punk and Goth. It also sometimes matches my mood. However, Simple Plan is awesome. It's like they are transforming my emotions into hit songs, like "Perfect", "Addicted", and "Welcome to My Life." However, I seem to be addicted to Linkin Park's "Numb." It matches my personality: Moaning about the fact that everyone here (where I am) is picking on me, yet still feeling a little happy. But I love "Holiday", and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams", which also makes me feel better. In fact, other than the Backstreet Boys, Green Day is my inspiration to create or join up with a band. But Nickelback's "Photograph" sounds like hearing 7 of my 10 crushes say that they love me and want to date me.

However, being a Wikipedian administrator sounds like fun as well. I hope I get nominated!

• Say, are you a WikiGnome or a Wikifairy?

See you later! Chef Clover 03:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Wait a minute

• Wikipedia's having a problem. Check the Village Pump under Technical.

whoa! dude! Listen. first of all, the BSB aren't fake. they contribute to their albums too. Second, 2 Boys came from Florida, 2 came from Kentucky, and one was born in New York but moved to Florida. So don't say that they over-enunciate! It's their accent (maybe) like my accent changes how i talk. (Yes, my state has its own accent.) Third, most of the BSB's music is not sappy. It's about love. It's either they are married and still looking for a girl, or they had a divorce their wives. But still, have you actually listened to their new songs yet? They became a tiny bit sappy but they're still awesome! Fourth, punk is sort of depressing. In fact, Goth expert and musician Voltaire on voltaire.net said in a Big Story News thingy that punk basically says "I hate this world and I want to destroy it." (Goth says, "there's too much evil in this world, there are mean-spirited people, and that makes me sad.  :( ")

The BSB do NOT lack emotional power. They put it to use. They have heart (one of them had open-heart surgery at one time to correct a defect). They have love, and their love goes to not only the people who work with them, their family and their friends, but also to the fans. They also never lip sync!

Give the BSB a chance, ok? Maybe you'll see what I mean. Chef Clover 04:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC) reply

P.S. Sorry for sounding harsh. This is what happens when you diss the BSB straight to the fans' faces: they get upset and lash back.

P.P.S. I agree: NSync NSTINKS! They are horrible! I mean i used to like them but it's a good thing they split up!

I have given punk a chance!

It's not that i didn't give punk a chance, it's just I sometimes listen to it. But right now, I'm looking for Sound the Alarm's album. You wanna know who they are? They are a band that graduated from my school! They do some punk, and, boy, they are so hot!

I did not know that Green Day's music originated from British Punk! What other info do you have on them.

But, the BSB did not pay a cheezy rappa to rap in We've Got It Goin' on, Let's have a Party, and Get Down (you're the one for me). That was AJ McLean, and sometimes Kevvy Richardson doin' it themselves. In fact, it makes them hotter!

But, still, which song do you think they tried to do some hip hop?

Chef Clover 15:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I didn't know

I think you just heard a rumor, the European/Asian version of Black & Blue, or the "The Call" single, because I didn't hear it on my American album. it just simply wasn't there. It wasn't even listed!

And we are not trying to change each other's opinions. Let's just say that we are sharing some info on selected music topics, okay? If you want some more info, like Discograpy or lyrics or stuff like that, you can check out www.backstreet.net, okay? So, thanks, man.

Chef Clover 21:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC) reply

hey, where are you? I want you to see my recently updated userpage! I rearranged the userboxes to "narrate" who i am. I also added some custom userboxes. (Like the tiger one? It's awesome!). what do you think? Chef Clover 23:09, 17 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry!

I am so sorry! It was just too funny! I gotta tell ya, you have a superior sense of humor! Hahahahaha! (sigh) Once again, i am so sorry. If you wish to do me justice, then you may steal my tiger user box. But still, what do you think about the order of the userboxes? Chef Clover 18:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, check it out!

hi! what's up? i just updated Latest News my user page. You wanna check it out? I hope that you like Megatokyo too! Chef Clover 02:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC) reply

(sigh)

you should have mentioned that on your userpage. -_- Chef Clover 02:34, 2 February 2006 (UTC) reply

j0

jo! what's up? haven't heard from j0u for a while. have you watched the Olympics? do j0u have any f4vorit3 4thl337s? I do, and they are HOT!!!!! Apolo Anton Ohno and Shaun White are my new crushes, and, not only are they 4th1337s, but they are rockers AND dud3s! they're totally awesome!

happy Mardis Gras!

Chef Clover 20:28, 28 February 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for supporting me on my successful RfA! It passed with a final tally of 40/9/1. If there's anything I can do to help, just ask! Sceptr e ^{( Talk)}

E. Brown, thank you very much for supporting me during my recent RfA campaign! Thanks to you, I am now an admin. Please drop by if you need anything - I'll be glad to help you. Once again, thanks! -- M @ t hwiz 2020 22:57, 12 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, I'm not entirely pleased about how the article is right now, but you don't need to let that get your blood pressure up. Calm down. I know you want the Storms section restored, and I would agree to that if it were chopped down slightly. How about you copy the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season storms page to a subpage and start cutting it there. I'll help. Just calm down. Tito xd^{( ?!? - help us)} 23:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I don't have a fancy layout like other new admins, but I just want to thank you for your support at my RfA. It passed 48/3/1, so I have officially been promoted. I hope I won't let you down. If I'm not doing something properly, please tell me. Aecis ^{Mr. Mojo risin'} 21:04, 14 January 2006 (UTC) reply

You're exactly right, and if you don't mind, I'm putting it on my page. People like Storm05 and some others really need to learn this. Hurricanehink 21:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC) reply

You said that I was a "rather imperious figure". What do you mean by that? -- AySz88^ - ^ 05:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for clarifying, but I'm still not quite sure what you mean. I can't think of any times I reverted a big change; I went to the talk page first for both Golbez's revert and that time when someone automatically converted all the references. Do you have specific examples so I can avoid doing what you dislike? -- AySz88^ - ^ 06:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, let us talk about our conflicting ideals for the 2005 AHS.

First of all, what exactly do you find lacking in the current format? I thought you agreed that 3 sentences was enough coverage for Arlene...and I think the whole storms section is consistent with that. The storms section has one paragraph per storm, just like old seasons. The only difference is it doesn't have a separate subsection for each storm - we could add that in, but (just because it's 2005) this doesn't really help readers to find what they're looking for because there are just so many storms. Plus it makes the ToC really ugly.

Then there's the impact section. I know you think the storms section should cover this - and I agree with you. But I still think there should be a separate section that covers just the destruction the season has caused. Nowhere in the storms section will you find that 89 people were killed in Haiti, for instance. In a normal season all this could all fit into the intro or a short summary section, but again, this is 2005.

As for the economic impact section...I don't entirely like this section myself. I didn't add it: I just slapped a section heading onto a paragraph that already existed in the season summary.

So my question is: is there any way you can be satisfied with the season article without having it be longer than 40k? And if so, how can it be done?

Jdorje 05:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok, good points.

• Storms subsections. The ugliness with the ToC was that it was over a full page long. This inspired people to want to replace it every few weeks, and is the main cause for the button bar madness. At the same time, you're right that without subsections it's hard to find storms. I did add anchors to each storm, so that 2005 Atlantic hurricane season#Hurricane Katrina goes to where you'd expect it. Perhaps we can make a manual ToC for the storms - comparable to the box that has somehow found its way into the top of the storms section, but less pastel-ugly.
• Storms section. What flavor are you talking about exactly? I'm all in favor of adding stuff that adds to the continuity of the story. The old storms section had very little of this as it was mostly a collection of numbers.
• Impact. I agree an impact sub-page could be useful, and that the economic impact can be merged in with the rest. Not quite sure how to go about it though.
• Records section. There is a records sub-page. The main thing I moved there, and the only thing I'm adamant about keeping, is the long-list-of-storms-that-broke-the-earliest-formation-record. It is enough to say that almost every storm set such a record. Everything I moved off of this section went into the statistics sub-page. I'm not sure where the records sub-page came from, or if it has any purpose. But then the statistics subpage is also pretty bad. Other things I moved into the statistics page include the "number of storms" and "total activity" sections (both of which are redundant with the much shorter "number of storms" paragraph that is there now), and the "other records" section (which should not exist at all IMO, since nobody can even say what it means).
• Images: I agree more images are good. But remember images need accompanying text, and IMO the main article should stay less than 40k in length (when I finished the revised storms it was at ~38k...but has now grown to 40k). So there is a limit to how many images we can cram in.

Jdorje 06:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

• Length: Length is crucial. If we have 100k of text, we should condense it into a 35k article with sub-articles covering each point in more detail. Having an article that is too long to read straight through without losing interest is bad.
• Images: Not sure what you mean here. Are you talking about the current storms page? Sure, we can change the pictures around there. For the main page, we can add or switch around pictures (the storms section has all meteorological pictures, though it certainly has no pictures of depressions) but the space is limited.
• Records, I'm not sure which ones I removed that you think should be there, but I have no problem with adding more in. Better would be to remove-and-replace as a lot of records may already be mentioned up above.

Jdorje 07:28, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

There's no need to make things personal, Eric. Part of the Wikipedia process is having to learn to work with new editors all the time. Sometimes they agree with our views, sometimes they don't, but at the end of the day, everyone is here to work on the encyclopedia and to improve it. Harsh comments directed at other editors don't help. I've been amazed at the level of civility and productivity that surrounds the Hurricane pages; it is probably what got me interested in Wikipedia in the first place. Everyone has different views on how to do things, and they should be respected, as well as they should respect your views. I see Jdorje has already contacted you to try to get to a middle ground, so start talking. I'll mediate if necessary. Tito xd^{( ?!? - help us)} 06:06, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Agree, keep it civil and please don't bite the (relative, apparently) newbies, Eric. NSL E _{( T+ C)} 07:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Sounds like fun.

For damage: 1915 Galveston, Diane, and Juan For weirdness: Subtropical Storm One (1978)

How about yours? Hurricanehink 19:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Yea, cool. What's wrong with subtropicals? They are sort of like half-breeds, and they have feelings too! J/k, but the fact it was the only forming January storm on record is pretty amazing. Zeta was a close second, though. Hurricanehink 19:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Cool about Zeta. Good luck deciding, and have fun at the award ceremony ;-) Hurricanehink 21:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Nice. Is it at the Florida hurricanes stadium, or it going to be in an eyewall for the stadium effect? :) On a more serious question, (I forget), do you include seasons in the Hall of Fame? It might be a cool little section, and doesn't rely on damage. It just relies on the combined effort of all of the storms. Well, good luck deciding. Hurricanehink 21:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey Eric, thanks for the message. Here's my nominations for '06. Galveston 1915 -- overlooked due to 1900 but a very important storm. Hattie 1961 -- pretty much self-explanitory. Juan 1985 -- a surprising non-retirement. Zeta 2005/2006 -- I'd nominate this if it occurred any year, but the fact that it occurred on the tail end of 2005 makes it an even better candidate! -- The Great Zo 03:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry for not responding earlier. So, here's my nominations:

• Florida Keys
• Galveston
• Hattie
• Ana
• Zeta

bob rulz 06:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Well done. Good choices. Hurricanehink 02:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Sweet, and have fun. I'll try and make it, provided steering currents guide me there. I might get caught up in an upper level trough, though. Better post some hurricane warnings; I'm sure there will be plenty of tropical action there ;-) Hurricanehink 02:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC) reply

So let me get this right. The report on Gamma stated that when it was a tropical depression still in the Eastern Caribbean and for a brief moment became Gamma. But then the storm slowly weakened then almost dissipated and floated slowly westward. Then it is possible that the low absorb Gamma and not the other way around so this storm couldn't have been TS 27?? tdwuhs

Ive fixed the Hurricane Kyle (2002) article and added more info in that article. Also i had made a list of names that will replaced names retired from the 2005 and 2006 atlantic hurricane season naming lists. Storm05 20:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Ugh, the last few days has been without you or Jdorje, so some of the kids got a little out of control. I'm glad you saw Kyle. Otherwise it might be here to stay. Question: Weatherman90 has been posting a lot of links to a website, likely his, with a lot of information for recent hurricanes. While the website seems nice, it is completely unofficial. Should the links be removed from wherever he put them? Hurricanehink 18:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Alright, that's good. Nice work with Jose... Glad to see it go. Hurricanehink 18:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I know! In fact, it seems we are one of only like 10 contributors who actually write for things pre:2000 or in other basins! Hurricanehink 20:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC) reply

True, there are more than 10, and I respect those who don't stick to 2000-2005 Atlantic hurricane seasons. Good suggestion, I think I will archive it. Hurricanehink 21:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC) reply

How many storms have been revised after Post-Analysis?? I know of Andrew to a Cat5, Gaston of last year, and Cindy this year. tdwuhs

Uh?, did you read it clearly because its more than gusty winds and some rain. Storm05 17:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Chill out, man! No criticism of any writing should be taken as a personal attack. All of our writing can be improved. In particular, a lot of the older hurricane articles (by all of us - myself included) is written to a lower standard and needs a lot of work. This was most evident in the older AHS articles which were tiny ill-written stubs before you guys went back through and improved them. The simple fact is that we've gotten better as writers - when I go back and look at stuff I wrote a long time ago, I cringe. However, nobody likes to have their work criticized, and I will be gentler in the future. Jdorje 17:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Your behaviour came off as incivil. If it can come off incivil to me, it can to anyone, least of all Jdorje. Keep the tone a bit more friendly. NSL E _{( T+ C)} 恭喜发财! 00:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC) reply

If you're really thinking of running for admin, you'll need to stop being so easily frustrated with everyone and everything. I felt the tone of your message was incivil. Your message itself not necessarily, but your tone definitely came off as someone pissed - which you probably were - but as such, a tad incivil. NSL E _{( T+ C)} 恭喜发财! 00:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC) reply