`==Welcome==
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Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages.
Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "
soapbox" is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the
welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.
Kuru
talk 23:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you
use Wikipedia for advertising, you will be
blocked from editing.
Tan |
39 23:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Tanthalas {{helpme}} ,
Please help me understand. You were not involved in teh talk discussions, and edits I completed after learning Kuru stated my entry was promotional. So what refernce and evidence did you use to block my edit access and state my comments were unwarranted harrassment? I do not want to appear argumentative and certainly want to comply with the rules of Wiki. You also refered to my act as vandalism which I think is harsh and unwarranted. If you check with Mr. Kuru I think he will tell you were were having a legitamet discussion and my edits, subsequent to his deletion, were intnded to comply with his request to remove promotional material. I simply subsequently loaded a link to the approved patent on the USPTO patent site. It provides substantial reference, the approved business method patent, prior art, abstract and claims. What I did not understand was his objection to that reference because I was the inventor. I am sorry, but I still fail to see the promotion as the patent owner. I am also sorry but I think your actions were premature and showed you lacked information about what was being discussed and the edits. I would again still like to refernce the patent (annonoumously this time as it was before) and since it had previously been done and sanctioned acceptable because it was on the Wiki site undisturbed for 2 months I think it has merit. I do see the fact that my name, as the inventor may be construed to promote the patent but I still do not see to whom. It is owned by Ultimate Claim Solution, Inc. Anot unlike the Progressive refernce in the section above it. That also refrences a patent and promotes that patent for Progressive. My talk refernce also tried to explain that aspect. Non the less this all could have been avoided. When someones contents is deleted the person making that deltion should sign the edit and point out they are an administrtor or moderator. Had Kuro done that I would have talked to him first instead of trying to update the edit. Had I known it was deleted by a moderator I would have discussed it with Mr. Kuru instead of trying to edit to make it less promotional and like it was originally.
Lastly, I respectfully request you release the block. I also request that I be given permission to return the article to the annonamus post which refernced the patent origianlly, as it was two months ago. Those observing will not note that I am ihe inventor. It will be done annonomous. It is not intended to be promotion. Simply good refernce and citation. The insurance industry is apposed to patents and there are many executives who believe it should be open forum programing and business method patents are not unique valid inventions. The USPTO thinks otherwise. My patent was approved by the USPTO. One of the few business method patents approved for insurance. I look forwared to your response. Thank you. Dale Menendez 22:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
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WP:TLDR, first of all. Second of all,
I don't believe you've been blocked yet, so don't worry about that.your block is only for 72 hours, after which you can ask the blocker if you have issues with it. Your edits, however, seem to be giving undue weight to a particular case. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, I did block for 72 hours and failed to leave a notice - I apologize for this; it was simply an oversight on my part. Secondly, although I still have deep reservations about the motivation and intents this user has, I have unblocked. I recommend any further POV pushing or promotional additions be met with an indefinite block. Tan | 39 22:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt reply. The block by Tan was unwarranted. First, he was not a party to the discussions. Second, the block and refernce to harrassement and vandalism are also embarrasing - my sign on is my real name. Lastly, I am new to all this. If the moderator Kuru had initially stated he was a moderator when he deleted my entry this would probably be different. He didn't and I took him as just another person. My approach, like my personality, was intense but not abusive or harrassement. Thank you. Dale Menendez 22:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}} Tan, thank you.
I also request that I be given permission to return the article to the annonomousItalic text post which refernced the patent origianlly, as it was two months ago and allowed. Those observing will not note that I am ihe inventor. It will be done annonomous. That not intended to be promotion. Simply good refernce and citation. The insurance industry is apposed to patents and there are many executives who believe it should be open forum programing and business method patents are not unique valid inventions. The USPTO thinks otherwise. My patent was approved by the USPTO. One of the few business method patents approved for insurance. I look forwared to your response. Thanks again. Dale Menendez 22:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Asking others to do edits on your behalf if you're blocked is never a good idea. Sorry. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Dale Menendez 22:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
{{
helpme}} Still blocked and no resolve to my questions or concerns. I am new to this and made mistakes. Frankly, this is a difficult site to understand and the responses and actions of the administrators are not helping me but it appears well intended. I will come back another day. Dale Menendez 22:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hi there. As an uninvolved user, I recommend that you check out the text at {{ 2nd chance}}. If you follow that, getting unblocked should be far easier. - NuclearWarfare contact me My work 22:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to
talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should
sign your posts by typing four
tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button
located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --
SineBot (
talk) 23:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Dave, it is really hard to understand you on this page. Your spelling is miserable. Your grammar is juvenile. While this in itself isn't any reason to judge the quality of your contributions (other than spelling and grammar), you haven't yet caught on to the ~~~~ method of signing posts (as has been explained to you above). Your attitude is that of a person who has been wronged and you are entitled to your edits, rather than the proper attitude of that you made a mistake, you will take the time to learn the proper Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and you will work to fit in nicely to Wikipedia's collaborative environment. Trying to understand you above, however, is too hard to judge - and even harder to take any actions. As it is, you simply need to stop making promotional, unsourced, and non-neutral edits. You have been unblocked; go forth and make Wikipedia better. Just remember you are on an unofficial probation here. Tan | 39 22:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}}
Tanthalas,
Okay, my typing skills are poor and this comes across poor. I relied on dictation most of my career. Clearly I have made mistakes and not having knowledge of how the site functions has caused problems. I am trying to help the article and point out how business method patents by independant inventors are changing the landscape for insurance and should not be ignored. Anyway, having gotten off on the wrong foot it seems best to simply stop. My apologies for the complications.
Also, so you realize, the block has not been removed. I need to change the account user name or either close this account and start an annonomous one. I searched by could not find a reference. Any suggestion? Dale Menendez 23:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Dale (Sorry I kept calling you Dave, I just realized my mistake), your IP was autoblocked. I think I have removed this autoblock now. Try it again; let me know.
Tan |
39 23:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Let me make sure I have you right. Do you want me to rename you to "Out of Here"? bibliomaniac 1 5 01:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
That is correct. I want to be Out of Here. Thank you Dale Menendez 01:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've renamed you. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- THANK YOU ! Dale Menendez ( talk) 01:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
`==Welcome==
|
Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Wikipedia pages.
Advertising and using Wikipedia as a "
soapbox" is strongly discouraged. Take a look at the
welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you.
Kuru
talk 23:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you
use Wikipedia for advertising, you will be
blocked from editing.
Tan |
39 23:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Tanthalas {{helpme}} ,
Please help me understand. You were not involved in teh talk discussions, and edits I completed after learning Kuru stated my entry was promotional. So what refernce and evidence did you use to block my edit access and state my comments were unwarranted harrassment? I do not want to appear argumentative and certainly want to comply with the rules of Wiki. You also refered to my act as vandalism which I think is harsh and unwarranted. If you check with Mr. Kuru I think he will tell you were were having a legitamet discussion and my edits, subsequent to his deletion, were intnded to comply with his request to remove promotional material. I simply subsequently loaded a link to the approved patent on the USPTO patent site. It provides substantial reference, the approved business method patent, prior art, abstract and claims. What I did not understand was his objection to that reference because I was the inventor. I am sorry, but I still fail to see the promotion as the patent owner. I am also sorry but I think your actions were premature and showed you lacked information about what was being discussed and the edits. I would again still like to refernce the patent (annonoumously this time as it was before) and since it had previously been done and sanctioned acceptable because it was on the Wiki site undisturbed for 2 months I think it has merit. I do see the fact that my name, as the inventor may be construed to promote the patent but I still do not see to whom. It is owned by Ultimate Claim Solution, Inc. Anot unlike the Progressive refernce in the section above it. That also refrences a patent and promotes that patent for Progressive. My talk refernce also tried to explain that aspect. Non the less this all could have been avoided. When someones contents is deleted the person making that deltion should sign the edit and point out they are an administrtor or moderator. Had Kuro done that I would have talked to him first instead of trying to update the edit. Had I known it was deleted by a moderator I would have discussed it with Mr. Kuru instead of trying to edit to make it less promotional and like it was originally.
Lastly, I respectfully request you release the block. I also request that I be given permission to return the article to the annonamus post which refernced the patent origianlly, as it was two months ago. Those observing will not note that I am ihe inventor. It will be done annonomous. It is not intended to be promotion. Simply good refernce and citation. The insurance industry is apposed to patents and there are many executives who believe it should be open forum programing and business method patents are not unique valid inventions. The USPTO thinks otherwise. My patent was approved by the USPTO. One of the few business method patents approved for insurance. I look forwared to your response. Thank you. Dale Menendez 22:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
-
WP:TLDR, first of all. Second of all,
I don't believe you've been blocked yet, so don't worry about that.your block is only for 72 hours, after which you can ask the blocker if you have issues with it. Your edits, however, seem to be giving undue weight to a particular case. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, I did block for 72 hours and failed to leave a notice - I apologize for this; it was simply an oversight on my part. Secondly, although I still have deep reservations about the motivation and intents this user has, I have unblocked. I recommend any further POV pushing or promotional additions be met with an indefinite block. Tan | 39 22:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt reply. The block by Tan was unwarranted. First, he was not a party to the discussions. Second, the block and refernce to harrassement and vandalism are also embarrasing - my sign on is my real name. Lastly, I am new to all this. If the moderator Kuru had initially stated he was a moderator when he deleted my entry this would probably be different. He didn't and I took him as just another person. My approach, like my personality, was intense but not abusive or harrassement. Thank you. Dale Menendez 22:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}} Tan, thank you.
I also request that I be given permission to return the article to the annonomousItalic text post which refernced the patent origianlly, as it was two months ago and allowed. Those observing will not note that I am ihe inventor. It will be done annonomous. That not intended to be promotion. Simply good refernce and citation. The insurance industry is apposed to patents and there are many executives who believe it should be open forum programing and business method patents are not unique valid inventions. The USPTO thinks otherwise. My patent was approved by the USPTO. One of the few business method patents approved for insurance. I look forwared to your response. Thanks again. Dale Menendez 22:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Asking others to do edits on your behalf if you're blocked is never a good idea. Sorry. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 22:24, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Dale Menendez 22:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
{{
helpme}} Still blocked and no resolve to my questions or concerns. I am new to this and made mistakes. Frankly, this is a difficult site to understand and the responses and actions of the administrators are not helping me but it appears well intended. I will come back another day. Dale Menendez 22:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Hi there. As an uninvolved user, I recommend that you check out the text at {{ 2nd chance}}. If you follow that, getting unblocked should be far easier. - NuclearWarfare contact me My work 22:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to
talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should
sign your posts by typing four
tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button
located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! --
SineBot (
talk) 23:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Dave, it is really hard to understand you on this page. Your spelling is miserable. Your grammar is juvenile. While this in itself isn't any reason to judge the quality of your contributions (other than spelling and grammar), you haven't yet caught on to the ~~~~ method of signing posts (as has been explained to you above). Your attitude is that of a person who has been wronged and you are entitled to your edits, rather than the proper attitude of that you made a mistake, you will take the time to learn the proper Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and you will work to fit in nicely to Wikipedia's collaborative environment. Trying to understand you above, however, is too hard to judge - and even harder to take any actions. As it is, you simply need to stop making promotional, unsourced, and non-neutral edits. You have been unblocked; go forth and make Wikipedia better. Just remember you are on an unofficial probation here. Tan | 39 22:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}}
Tanthalas,
Okay, my typing skills are poor and this comes across poor. I relied on dictation most of my career. Clearly I have made mistakes and not having knowledge of how the site functions has caused problems. I am trying to help the article and point out how business method patents by independant inventors are changing the landscape for insurance and should not be ignored. Anyway, having gotten off on the wrong foot it seems best to simply stop. My apologies for the complications.
Also, so you realize, the block has not been removed. I need to change the account user name or either close this account and start an annonomous one. I searched by could not find a reference. Any suggestion? Dale Menendez 23:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Dale (Sorry I kept calling you Dave, I just realized my mistake), your IP was autoblocked. I think I have removed this autoblock now. Try it again; let me know.
Tan |
39 23:16, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
- Let me make sure I have you right. Do you want me to rename you to "Out of Here"? bibliomaniac 1 5 01:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
That is correct. I want to be Out of Here. Thank you Dale Menendez 01:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- I've renamed you. bibliomaniac 1 5 01:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
- THANK YOU ! Dale Menendez ( talk) 01:31, 15 December 2008 (UTC)