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Hey ColinFine,

if I may quote you: "I can see that, while the sources are probably reliable, not a single one of them is independent of Stossier"... So if I list the sources I used:

1) Registry of the Austrian Medical Association -> it is an Austrian governmental institution which administrates all Austrian physicians. it would be comparable with /info/en/?search=Medical_Board_of_California -> therefore I think this source is reliable and independent?

3) Website India Today -> based on the size of the organisation and the date it was founded it would assume it is considered as well-established. ""News reporting" from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact"

4 and 5) Union Registry of the Austrian Ministry of the Interior -> it is an Austrian governmental institution which administrates all Austrian unions and their registration. i would also assume that this source is independent?

now i would say at least 4 out of 6 sources are reliable and independent according to wikipedias guidelines?

Have a good day! Yet another IT guy ( talk) 19:26, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Yet another IT guy I'm sure the AMA and the Ministry are reliable at storing and presenting the professional data provided by the subject, or his institution. That does not make them independent. (I also presume that they are little more than directory entries, but I can't tell since in each case you have linked to a search function, not to an entry). India today is no doubt reliable, but that article is an account of the presentation made by Stossier and others. This is not independent.

What we require is an article substantially based on what people unconnected with the subject or their institutions have chosen to publish about the subject. Directory entries can be used to support the statement that the person holds such and such a position, or is in such and such an institution, but cannot contribute to notability. Articles based on interviews or presentions by the subject can support statements about what the person has said, but not about the content of what they said, and also do not contribute to notability.

Let's also look at this another way. Hell in a Bucket said they thought sourcing needed to be improved vastly. You asked for guidance, saying "in my opinion all sources are reliable according to the wiki guidelines"; I replied with my opinion that they were probably all reliable, but none of them independent. Cullen328 agreed with me. Now you come back questioning my judgment on four of the six sources.

It is, of course, possible that Hell in a Bucket, Cullen328, and I are all wrong, and other editors would disagree. But if you look at our contribution histories, do you think it is likely? (Hint: I've been here a lot longer than the other two, but I'm the baby, with less than 15000 edits) -- ColinFine ( talk) 22:25, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

In order to establish notability, sources must be independent and reliable, and must devote significant coverage to the topic. All three are required. Directory listings are not significant coverage and often are not independent, so they do not contribute to notability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:28, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Also worth noting, Yet another IT guy, is that Applied kinesiology is pseudoscientific, so there will be extra scrutiny given to this topic. See WP:FRINGE. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:42, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Orthomolecular medicine is also pseudoscience. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:44, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

ColinFine thank you for the explanation. Of course I do not question your judgement. It was just not clear to me how I can improve the sources to fit all guidelines and get the article approved. It was not an attempt to argue with you or doubt you in any way! Based on the reviews I had no idea how to improve the sources, but thanks to you I think I got it.

Another question to Cullen328 would be about your comment "is that Applied kinesiology is pseudoscientific" (again, I do not question your judgement!). Does this matter, since the article is about a person and not about the profession he performs? In my draft I did not make any statement about these topics itself. Does it matter if Applied kinesiology is pseudoscientific or not, if I just state for example that Dr. Stossier president of the International Medical Society of Applied Kinesiology.

I just try to avoid further mistakes and I am thankful for any suggestions! Yet another IT guy ( talk) 08:40, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

50.68.237.196 ( talk) 22:51, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

No. I suggested ask at the Talk page, and I see you have done so. I don't choose to take on that job. -- ColinFine ( talk) 23:55, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for the feedback on Teahouse but the news links (i think?) are eithe broken or don't include the video of the execution .. also the reverting user mentioned is Not Available so still don't know why my addition was reverted ...

Article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu

I'm new to all this you see .. most of my edits have been typo corrections!

Thanks!

G6cid ( talk) 00:03, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Hello, G6cid. Mélencron has made seven edits in the last hour, so I don't think they are taking a Wikibreak at present, even if they say they are on their User page. As you say, the Times reference does seem to be broken (and I can't seem to find it on archive.com). But I don't understand why you think it is important to link to a video of the execution. Videos of events are generally primary sources, but Wikipedia prefers secondary sources. -- ColinFine ( talk) 00:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok I had no knowledge about primary, secondary and tertiary sources, but I've now read the Wikipedia page re this, HOWEVER the whole section is about the execution.. surely a link (LiveLeak) in the form of a video is relevant? Otherwise it's Buckingham Palace without a picture of the palace! Mainstream media are unlikely to show the video (as it's graphic) and surely a news team's video is relevant, even though it's primary? Pls understand I'm simply trying to learn Wiki procedures here (I'm new to content creation!), not to argue! 😀

Thanks again. G6cid ( talk) 05:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

As you attended one of the previous two Manchester meetups and/or expressed an interest in being notified about future ones, this is a heads-up that I have started organising a meetup in Manchester on 9 June 2019 - details are at m:Meetup/Manchester/36. Please feel free to invite others with an interest in Wikimedia/Wikipedia to join us. Thryduulf ( talk) 23:09, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Just as well that I was sitting down with my breakfast coffee when I checked my emails for Tue. 19 Feb… I'm quite shaken by these revelations about the use of images on my proposed page/s for List of South African women artists! Feel I've been conned by Creative Commons to part with US$15; and, after some prodding, to extract a sliver of info from them—and then that turns out to be incorrect! OBVIOUSLY I'm no lawyer, and so all the legal jargon about licenses is gobbledegook to me… David in Adelaide, South Australia ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Desmond ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, David. I'm sorry you've had a problem. I've never heard of anybody paying Creative Commons before - in fact, I didn't even realise that it was an organisation (though I suppose I'd have realised if I had thought about it). In keeping with the principle for which they exist, anybody can copy their licences at no charge (for example, I've used them on my songs: http://fine.me.uk/songs.html). But they can't enable you to grant a licence on something to which you have no rights, I'm afraid. -- ColinFine ( talk) 23:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Colin, I didn't pay Creative Commons as such; rather it was a donation—an orange box with $15 reversed out in white; i.e. a 'suggested' donation… Incidentally, re my comment on 'legal jargon about licenses'. I was alluding to the various types of licenses being 'gobbledegook to me'. I meant 'to a high school dropout like me'! David Desmond ( talk) 00:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 131 - March 2019 February issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and thirty first WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 14,522 last month to 14,683 on 27 February 2019). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 150 is ahead of WP:GM who have 86. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 67 out of a total number of 4,161 articles. Currently we have forty seven Yorkshire featured articles: Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished • The Wrestlers (Etty) • History of York City F.C. (1908–80) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial • Northern England • Albert Pierrepoint There are also sixteen featured lists: York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity 2017 UK Championship was nominated for GA on 18th February Keldholme Priory election dispute was nominated for GA on 21st February Member News There are 84 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the February newsletter: ColinFine ( talk · contribs) No members left the project this month. Thanks A very big Thank you to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal. To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs. To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.  Great! Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 1 9,836 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 WikiWork factors ( ?) ω = 94,680 Ω = 5.11 Assessment Assess and review As of 28 February 2019, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however) Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive (See this month's feature below) To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members and apropos of the above a 2010 New Year article improvement drive/collaboration is being organised. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • Northern England • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project The March 2019 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no further suggestions from the project talk page. Month Dates Article(s) B class choice Start class choice 107 1 Nov 2018 ~ 30 Nov 2018 Wakefield Queen's Gardens, Hull 108 1 Dec 2018 ~ 31 Dec 2018 Yooka-Laylee Ravensworth Nurseries 109 1 Jan 2019 ~ 31 Jan 2019 2002 FA Women's Cup Final Saltwick Bay 110 1 Feb 2019 ~ 28 Feb 2019 Death of Christopher Alder The Rockingham Mausoleum 111 1 Mar 2019 ~ 31 Mar 2019 Barnsley Canal Upper Poppleton Please nominate future articles for improvement at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire. Please bear in mind... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. Monitoring is essential Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. You will also have to check that the Commons link is set correctly.  Thanks Comments, questions and suggestions about this, or any, issue of the newsletter are always welcome and can be made by pressing the feedback button below...

00:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello

Our team at the Wikimedia Foundation is working on a project to improve the ease-of-use and productivity of wiki talk pages. As a Teahouse host, I can imagine you’ve run into challenges explaining talk pages to first-time participants.

We want all contributors to be able to talk to each other on the wikis – to ask questions, to resolve differences, to organize projects and to make decisions. Communication is essential for the depth and quality of our content, and the health of our communities. We're currently leading a global consultation on how to improve talk pages, and we're looking for people that can report on their experiences using (or helping other people to use) wiki talk pages. We'd like to invite you to participate in the consultation, and invite new users to join too.

We thank you in advance for your participation and your help.

Trizek (WMF), 08:37, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

The previous message about the talk pages consultation has a broken link.

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Sorry for the inconvenience, Trizek (WMF), 08:48, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Can you translate this Chinese sentence into English and Arabic language? The sentence is:

概要

於2004年4月至2006年10月在Comic Bom Bom連載。東京電視台以漢字表記《韋駄天翔》，在2005年10月1日至2006年9月30日每週的星期六早上9:30開始播放、全52話。 السورميري ^{راسلني (☎)} 16:29, 23 March 2019 (UTC) محمد ماجد السورميري محمد ماجد السورميري ( talk) 16:29, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

محمد ماجد السورميري: I speak neither Chinese nor Arabic. Why on earth did you think I could help? -- ColinFine ( talk) 16:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 132 - April 2019 March issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and thirty second WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 14,683 last month to 14,745 on 29 March 2019). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 150 is ahead of WP:GM who have 86. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 67 out of a total number of 4,169 articles. Currently we have forty seven Yorkshire featured articles: Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished • The Wrestlers (Etty) • History of York City F.C. (1908–80) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial • Northern England • Albert Pierrepoint There are also sixteen featured lists: York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity All Saints, Harlow Hill was featured in DYK on 4th March Alfred Hill Thompson was featured in DYK on 4th March Isaac Thomas Shutt was featured in DYK on 4th March Yvonne Blenkinsop was featured in DYK on 6th March Mary Denness was featured in DYK on 6th March Christine Jensen (campaigner) was featured in DYK on 6th March 2017 World Snooker Championship was nominated for GA on 7th March Keldholme Priory election dispute was featured in DYK on 8th March Cottage Road Cinema was nominated for GA on 18th March Member News There are 84 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! The membership is unchanged since the March newsletter. Thanks A very big Thank you to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal. To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs. To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.  Great! Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 1 9,836 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 WikiWork factors ( ?) ω = 94,680 Ω = 5.11 Assessment Assess and review As of 28 March 2019, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however) Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive (See this month's feature below) To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members and apropos of the above a 2010 New Year article improvement drive/collaboration is being organised. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • Northern England • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Recent changes As some of you will know the script for generating the list of project articles for use with the Recent Changes utility stopped working a couple of years ago so the list was way out of date. The good news is that I have managed to find a convoluted way of creating a new list using AutoWikiBrowser. The link for using the new list is Watchlist of recent edits. If you are not interested in talk pages then use Watchlist of recent article edits or for talk pages only Watchlist of recent talk page edits. WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project The April 2019 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no further suggestions from the project talk page. Month Dates Article(s) B class choice Start class choice 108 1 Dec 2018 ~ 31 Dec 2018 Yooka-Laylee Ravensworth Nurseries 109 1 Jan 2019 ~ 31 Jan 2019 2002 FA Women's Cup Final Saltwick Bay 110 1 Feb 2019 ~ 28 Feb 2019 Death of Christopher Alder The Rockingham Mausoleum 111 1 Mar 2019 ~ 31 Mar 2019 Barnsley Canal Upper Poppleton 112 1 Apr 2018 ~ 30 Apr 2018 Ilkley Roman Fort VolkerRail Please nominate future articles for improvement at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire. Please bear in mind... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. Monitoring is essential Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. You will also have to check that the Commons link is set correctly.  Thanks Comments, questions and suggestions about this, or any, issue of the newsletter are always welcome and can be made by pressing the feedback button below...

19:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I can wait for the approval and process

This is its page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kashmir_Observer.jpg source epaper.kashmirobserver.net

here i am adding some of the references for the page

Sajjad Haider is the publisher and editor-in-chief of the Kashmir Observer.

https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Kashmir_Observer.htm

REFERENCE LINKS

https://scroll.in/author/12581 https://www.exchange4media.com/industry-briefing-news/kashmir-observer-to-launch-business-supplement-47494.html https://rsf.org/en/news/discriminatory-use-official-advertising-kashmir https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kashmir-newspapers-publish-blank-front-pages-to-protest-govts-decision-to-stop-ads-to-two-dailies-5619019/ https://cpj.org/tags/kashmir-observer https://www.newslaundry.com/2016/07/11/kashmirunrest-the-difference-in-what-delhi-and-kashmiri-media-saw https://www.newslaundry.com/2018/06/19/kashmir-woke-up-to-blank-editorials-in-newspapers-today-in-memory-of-shujaatbukhari

Hello, Sufi519. Please look at the message Nick Moyes left after my reply. I simply gave what I thought was helpful advice (though Nick has explained that it might not be very helpful). I have no interest in the subject, and will not be doing anything with it. There is therefore no point in you leaving those references on my talk page, any more than leaving them in the Teahouse. Beyond the suggestions that Nick has made, all I can suggest is that you see if anybody in WP:WikiProject Jammu and Kashmir is interested in working with you. -- ColinFine ( talk) 17:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

As you know, many posts on the WP:HD are from people trying to create an article about themselves or their employer and it's difficult to make a constructive reply without sounding repetitive or disgusted. The way that you responded to Silvia's post today was particularly clear, informative and helpful without being too aggressive. As a long-time reader of the Help desk, thank you for wording your reply as you did. -- Thomprod ( talk) 16:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the appreciation, Thomprod. It is hard, isn't it. -- ColinFine ( talk) 16:55, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 133 - May 2019 April issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and thirty third WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (down from 14,745 last month to 14,729 on 28 April 2019). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 150 is ahead of WP:GM who have 86. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 67 out of a total number of 4,177 articles. Currently we have forty seven Yorkshire featured articles: Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished • The Wrestlers (Etty) • History of York City F.C. (1908–80) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial • Northern England • Albert Pierrepoint There are also sixteen featured lists: York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Albert Pierrepoint was today's featured article on 30th March RSPB Dearne Valley Old Moor was nominated for FA on 2nd April Keldholme Priory election dispute was nominated for FA on 15th April Member News There are 84 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! The membership is unchanged since the April newsletter. Thanks A very big Thank you to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal. To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs. To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.  Great! Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 1 9,836 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 WikiWork factors ( ?) ω = 94,680 Ω = 5.11 Assessment Assess and review As of 28 April 2019, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however) Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive (See this month's feature below) To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members and apropos of the above a 2010 New Year article improvement drive/collaboration is being organised. 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23:36, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

	Dear Colin
	Thank-you for your help Colin, regarding navigational templates, I am still learning about how to develop one about Archaeology. Archaeologist02 ( talk) 08:40, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello Colin, I'm seeking your approval to remove the 'multiple issues' notice on the page for Mozart the music processor. I was advised on Talk:Mozart the music processor that you had placed some of the alerts - though I still have no idea how else I'd have found that out - and that I should contact you about it. And some of the 'multiple issues' seem to have changed since I last looked an hour or so ago. So I'm not sure where I am. (I'm very new to Wikipedia contribution, and ascending a steep learning curve.)

Continuing anyway, my rationale is as follows.

Appearance as an advert: I checked similar pages ( Sibelius (scorewriter), Finale (software), MuseScore) and I don't seem to have anything that isn't also included on those. But this point seems to have been removed now.

Original research: I am a theoretical physicist and have spent my life doing original research. I can assure you that there's none on this page.

Citations needed: Almost every sentence contains links to other Wikipedia articles, and I've added a couple of references to books about some of the topics (now complete with ISBN numbers), to Mozart's concerto, as requested, and to assorted common file formats. But the only way I can support the veracity of statements about Mozart the music processor would be to link to the program's own web site. And I understand too much of that might be considered an advert. So I'm not sure what more I can do here.

Close connection with the subject: yes I have, and it is because of that that I was able to see that some of the old article was out of data and no longer true. I have now declared my interest with the appropriate templates. And I've trued to keep the wording neutral.

Personal reflection etc: I can only assume this refers to the reasons why the program was named after Mozart. This is a statement about the origins of the program and the idea to include it came directly from Sibelius (scorewriter) - it was named Sibelius as a reference to the brothers Finn who wrote it (Sibelius was a Finn) and because they liked his music. So there is really no difference between that and why Mozart was called Mozart.

In conclusion, I hope you can now see your way to allowing the removal of the multiple issues box.

Dave Webber ( talk) 17:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

The 'advert' issue (a point you made in 2013) has reappeared. In view of the similarity with the other sites (above) may I remove it? Dave Webber ( talk) 19:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Dave, and welcome to Wikipedia. Looking at the article's history, I see that I did insert two of the tags, {{ advert}}, and {{ refimprove}}, in 2013; the others are from other editors. I'm conflicted answering you, because you know that I have always been a staunch supporter of Mozart; but with my Wikipedia hat on, I don't believe that article is suitable for Wikipedia, and I'm not sure that the product meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. I suspect that, but for my own COI, I would quite likely have nominated the article for deletion in 2013, but I wimped out and just tagged it, hoping somebody else would take a look.

It doesn't require permission from the original placer to remove a tag: that is just a courtesy; but I'm afraid that the tags all apply. Please read verifiability. Every single piece of information in a Wikipedia article should come from a reliably published source, and most of it from a source wholly unconnected with the subject of the article. Nothing about the author's intent or inspiration should appear, unless that has already been published by a reliable source (though I suppose for that purpose a self-published source would do). Anything which does not come from a reliably published source is considered original research, and not accepted. Wikipedia is basically uninterested in what the subject of an article, or people closely associated with it, say about it: it is only interested in what people unconnected with it have published about it.

The features section is far too long for an encyclopaedia article - that is part of what makes it read like an ad - and wholly unsourced. In fact the big problem is that the article has almost no independent sources - the Review is the only one. A single independent source is not enough to establish notability.

In my view, if it is to be saved, this article will probably need to be rewritten from bottom up, based almost entirely on independent sources (if they exist - I haven't looked).

I'm sorry that this is not what you wanted to hear. -- ColinFine ( talk) 19:55, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello ColinFine Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your views, but I'm getting confused.

Until yesterday I'd had very little to do with that article - I may have made some minor changes some years ago. But yesterday I realised that it reflected Mozart 10 from 2009, and much of it was no longer true. Probably few others would have realised this, so I set out to correct it myself. I was trying to keep it as factual as possible. And I've been on a steep learning curve from others about COI declarations, but they're now in place.

The reason from my confusion comes from sources like Sibelius_(scorewriter). That page has a 'Features' section longer than that of Mozart music software so I assumed that updating the existing section of Mozart music software - written by others - would be OK. (I actually removed some points as well as adding a couple to make it more balanced, and dividing it into subsections.) Finale (software) doesn't have 'Features' but it has sections on both 'Functionality' and 'Abilities'. So I feel just a little upset that it appears to be all OK for Sibelius and Finale, but not apparently for Mozart - even to the extent that you might have deleted the Mozart page but not theirs. Now they spend a lot on advertising; Mozart spends nothing. But Mozart does have thousands upon thousands of users around the globe: after 25 years it adds up. So I'm not happy with the idea that Mozart isn't 'notable' (although Wikipedia obviously has its own sense). It is difficult to cite independent reviews of Mozart. There have been a few magazine reviews over the years and one radio interview which went out somewhere in the USA but I haven't kept track of them. A mistake, I now realise. So an article based entirely on independent reviews would not be feasible, unless of course you include the independent efforts of the people who wrote the original (day-before-yesterday) Mozart music software article, on which today's is based. Which would militate against a complete rewrite - by me anyway.

But the bottom line is that Mozart does undeniably exist, has done for 25 years, and the Wikipedia page has been around for 12 years. So it would seem fair that Wikipedia should continue to acknowledge its existence. And a page of roughly the same structure as that of Sibelius_(scorewriter) was, I thought, the safest approach.

The thought which troubles me more than most is that I could have left it as it was 2 days ago - full of what have now become mistakes as the program has evolved - and no-one would have worried about it. By trying to put it right I've opened a can of worms. (I've been talking to others on User_talk:Dave_Webber and Talk:Mozart_the_music_processor about these and other concerns. Still trying to find my way around!)

Anyway in conclusion, I'd really appreciate it if you could suggest what can be done (within the realms of possibility) to make the article acceptable, and allow it to supply information which is not too different from that of Sibelius_(scorewriter) and Finale (software). Dave Webber ( talk) 21:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

HI, Dave. On looking, I think that Sibelius (scorewriter) probably has far too much detail, and should be pruned; but a difference I see immediately is that it has 66 citations. Many of them (probably too many) are to the company's own material; but it immediately gives a different feel. See Other stuff exists. -- ColinFine ( talk) 21:41, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, This makes it very difficult to know what is acceptable. It appears that Sibelius (scorewriter) can get away with dozens of references to their own material (something which I thought was bad and avoided) and Finale (software) (also with many references to the developers) can have a much more extensive release history (which reads far more like an advertisement) than Mozart the music processor's completely without criticism. All three are essentially the same kind of computer program; all three have been around for decades. And yet I'm not allowed to argue that Mozart the music processor should receive equal treatment! If one can't use existing pages, which have gone without criticism, as a model, what on earth can one do? Dave Webber ( talk) 23:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Just wondering if you wanted to sign my Guestbook, which is located on my User Page

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This is an invite to/reminder of the Manchester Meetup on 9 June 2019. Starting at about 1pm on Sunday 9 June in the Sir Ralph Abercombie, 35 Bootle Street, Manchester. Full details are on the Meta page at m:Meetup/Manchester/36. It would be useful if you could say whether you're likely to be coming so we have a rough idea of how many to people expect and how large a table to reserve. Thanks, and hope to see you there. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:32, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 134 - June 2019 May issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the one hundredth and thirty fourth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 14,729 last month to 14,757 on 28 May 2019). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 150 is ahead of WP:GM who have 87. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 67 out of a total number of 4,199 articles. Currently we have forty eight Yorkshire featured articles: Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished • The Wrestlers (Etty) • Bootham Crescent • History of York City F.C. (1908–1980) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial • Northern England • Albert Pierrepoint • RSPB Dearne Valley Old Moor There are also sixteen featured lists: York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity RSPB Dearne Valley Old Moor was promoted to FA on 27th April 2018 World Snooker Championship was nominated for FA on 27th April 2016 World Snooker Championship was nominated for GA on 1st May Yooka-Laylee was nominated for GA on 11th May Member News There are 85 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the May newsletter: Girth Summit ( talk · contribs) No members left the project this month. Thanks A very big Thank you to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal. To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs. To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.  Great! Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 1 9,836 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 2 25,632 WikiWork factors ( ?) ω = 94,680 Ω = 5.11 Assessment Assess and review As of 28 May 2019, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however) Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. 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18:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for your response to my question in the Teahouse. I posted a reply there, but your response prompted another question, and I didn't want to clutter the Teahouse post with a separate discussion. Would you mind telling me how to link articles to Wikidata? Frequently after I have created an article, I am notified that someone has linked it to a Wikidata item. I would be glad to create such links myself, but I haven't found out how to do it. Eddie Blick ( talk) 23:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Teblick. You have to get to the Wikidata page, and add the article into that. An easy way to get to Wikidata is to go to an existing Wikipedia article and pick the "Wikidata Item" if there is one - if not, look for another article. Once you're in Wikidata, you can search for the subject.

More cunningly, if there is an existing article about something closely associated with the topic of the new article, and you go to the Wikidata item corresponding to that, there may happen to be a link within that Wikidata item to the one you want to link. For example, suppose you had just written an article about George Aislabie, father of John Aislabie, and you wanted to link that to the corresponding Wikidata item, you could go to John Aislabie, pick the "Wikidata Item" link which would take you to d:Q6218368. Half way down that you will see a link "father" which takes you to d:Q41980796, a Wikidata item for his father George. You could edit the section labelled "Wikipedia" to add a link to the new article in English Wikipedia. (Of course, often if you are working on a new article, there won't yet be a Wikidata item, but in this case there is one even though it is not yet linked to articles in any other project.)

Do be careful though to make sure that the scope of the Wikidata item and the Wikipedia article are the same, or you'll create exactly the problem we had with Mask and Wig. -- ColinFine ( talk) 23:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I will explore Wikidata a bit and find my way around in it. Then I will apply your advice. I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick ( talk) 23:30, 22 June 2019 (UTC)