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Please stop making changes to the Oasis class ship articles if you cannot provide sources to back up your figures and statements. For example, you've now changed the length of the ships from 360 to 380.8, then to 370.8. Where are you getting this information from? You've also mentioned 18 total superstructure decks...I find this likely, but again, it is unsourced. Please talk to me and let's stop going back and forth. — Huntster ( t @ c) 19:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi,Huntster, I've been getting information on the length from youtube and the decks from the RCCL website. I noticed that deck three was close to the superstruture, but I can't tell for sure. I apologize for any incorrect edits and I'm sorry for wasting your time. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 03:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, you're certainly not wasting my time...that's what administrators are here for. I'm just wanting to make sure you aren't wasting your own time with unsourced edits that will be reverted. If you can link to the YouTube on this page, I can try and figure out if it is possible to use it as a source on wiki. Link to the page on RCCL as well. — Huntster ( t @ c) 03:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't think I could find that video again. But, it wouldn't do much if I had found it because I would have to dig through weeks of comments to find my source. Here's Royal Caribbean's page.(You will find the ship's display in the top left.) http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/ship/decks/deck/home.do;jsessionid=0000_EYsZjkad2vycbPk-g60WQ4:12hdhu6tq?shipCode=AL&shipProfile=1353 Thank you for correcting my mistakes. Talk to you soon. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 04:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Huntster.
I found that video. In the beginning it says that Oasis is 20 stories tall. I found that reasonable, because if there ARE 18 superstructure decks, then that would seem like the 2 hull decks, 1H and 2H (above the waterline), would add up to 20 decks. Sorry if I over informed you. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGljb_OdsD4 Capt. Calvin ( talk) 23:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hey there Capt. I see what you mean about the video, and I understand what you're saying about the decking. My concern is that the video may be using "storeys" as a unit of measurement, rather than stating the actual number of decks, considering the phrase is used immediately before the measurement statement of "length of four football fields in a row". I think it is an example of creative writing. I'd avoid the 20 deck statement in the article until we can find a source which actually says that is is 20 decks; that is, something unambiguous. Otherwise, it is kind of an assumption.
- As for the RCCL webpage, I can see an argument for including a statement about it having a total of 18 decks, though at the same time, I'd caution against that until we have a firm count on exactly how many decks there are, since the website only lists those decks that are available to passengers. — Huntster ( t @ c) 03:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying.
I kind of thought 20 decks seemed to tall anyway.So far there are no other statements on the internet of the Oasis of the Seas being 20 decks tall, so I think they got their information wrong. I was wondering if passenger decks started at the superstructure or if they were allowed in the hull. If they do start at the superstructre, then my 18 deck statement would almost seem plausible, seeing as there are 2 decks in the hull that are above the waterline. Once again, I'm sorry if I'm giving you too much information to process, but I can't figure out how to give resources of information. I believe that there would be 20 decks in all (passenger/crew acsessable,above and below the waterline.) because passengers can't go on decks 1,2,14 and engine room deck. 16 passenger + 4 crew decks = 20 decks. I'm kind of still scratching my head though. Talk to you soon. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 04:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Naa, you aren't confusing me...I understand boats and ships :) I understand what you are wanting to do with the information, but we don't allow original research in articles, so that readers will always understand how the data was derived. There are at least two decks underneath the passenger decks (the RCCL website starts with "deck 3"), but this is included in the total of eighteen known decks. Problem is, the *total* number of decks is unknown, and even though the website graphic doesn't visually show any more than eighteen decks, that is original research. So the reliable figure of 16 passenger decks is what's given in the article. — Huntster ( t @ c) 06:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
After looking over that file, I got 18 decks. 16 superstructure though.
Are yo sure you're not forgetting to count hull decks? I think there are 2 decks underneath the water line. Deck 1H and engine room deck. Isn't 1H just the engine room's mezzanine? Capt. Calvin ( talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Man, this is a brain-teaser! Capt. Calvin ( talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Actually, I wanted to figure out how many total decks there were, and the try to give a resource.I can't find any sufficient data to back this up, aside from looking at ship photos and guessing on Royal Caribbean's website were the superstructre starts and where the hull ends.So until then, we'll just have to not include this in the article:( Until find some website that says specifically how many decks there are, we'll just list passenger decks. I suppose if we could see the ship in person we could count all decks above the waterline. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 06:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
HI, Huntster, I found ten still photos of the ship, and counted total decks. I got 16 decks 3 times, 17 decks 1 time and 18 decks 6 times. I don't think I could be more confused. could you help me out here? Remember, these are just ten still photos out of hundreds, or maybe even thousands of pictures of Allure. Thank you in advance Capt. Calvin ( talk) 17:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Heh, deck counting can be an exercise in frustration. When I use File:Allure of the seas sideview.JPG, which is one of the better photos of Allure on-wiki, I count sixteen decks above waterline (counting the two-deck suites at the top). Since the ship does not have much structure below waterline, I'd think that would account for the two non-passenger decks. Still, designed the way they are, the Oasis class could easily have a couple more non-passenger decks hidden in plain sight, so it's rather futile to do anything with this data. — Huntster ( t @ c) 19:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I looked over that file already. I got 18 decks. Either I misunderstand you and think we are talking about all decks, or you're forgetting to count decks underneath the superstructre. Can you explain to me how you counted them? I just highlight the last one I counted, starting at the waterline.Like I said "I'm confused!"
Capt. Calvin (
talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Same...I start with the waterline and work my way up, counting visible changes in structure, typically windows. Based on the RCCL site, we know there are at *least* eighteen decks, so we're getting fairly standard numbers. For that image in particular, starting with the waterline: deck with tiny portholes, deck with larger portholes, deck with larger still portholes; lifeboat level; eight decks of standard rooms, two upper decks of suites, and finally the two-deck suites. Total of sixteen visible decks in that photo. — Huntster ( t @ c) 20:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I get it now. I thought all top 3 levels were loft suites! Stupid me.Wait a second...On Royal Caribbean's web page deck 17 has loft suites as well as 18. I don't get how we can both count and get only 16 decks! Is it possible I'm only counting loft suites as 1 deck? Capt. Calvin ( talk) 20:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- I think that is the case. On the picture I linked to, above the eight decks of standard rooms, there is what appears to be three decks, with the top deck somewhat larger. That top deck is actually counted as two decks, since it is a split deck loft setup. So, 16 visible decks.— Huntster ( t @ c) 22:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Can you please tell me if deck 17 has loft suites then is it counted as 1 deck or 2 decks. I think it's one deck but I think you know more about the schematics than I do. All I know is deck 17 has loft suites. There are at least 100 16 deck pictures and 100 18 deck pictures, but they don't prove much. anyone could take a shot at a bad angle or miscount, so let's give up and call it sixteen. I'll let you know if I find anything Capt. Calvin ( talk) 22:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
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Mjroots (
talk) 19:41, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Please stop making changes to the Oasis class ship articles if you cannot provide sources to back up your figures and statements. For example, you've now changed the length of the ships from 360 to 380.8, then to 370.8. Where are you getting this information from? You've also mentioned 18 total superstructure decks...I find this likely, but again, it is unsourced. Please talk to me and let's stop going back and forth. — Huntster ( t @ c) 19:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi,Huntster, I've been getting information on the length from youtube and the decks from the RCCL website. I noticed that deck three was close to the superstruture, but I can't tell for sure. I apologize for any incorrect edits and I'm sorry for wasting your time. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 03:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, you're certainly not wasting my time...that's what administrators are here for. I'm just wanting to make sure you aren't wasting your own time with unsourced edits that will be reverted. If you can link to the YouTube on this page, I can try and figure out if it is possible to use it as a source on wiki. Link to the page on RCCL as well. — Huntster ( t @ c) 03:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I don't think I could find that video again. But, it wouldn't do much if I had found it because I would have to dig through weeks of comments to find my source. Here's Royal Caribbean's page.(You will find the ship's display in the top left.) http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/ship/decks/deck/home.do;jsessionid=0000_EYsZjkad2vycbPk-g60WQ4:12hdhu6tq?shipCode=AL&shipProfile=1353 Thank you for correcting my mistakes. Talk to you soon. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 04:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Huntster.
I found that video. In the beginning it says that Oasis is 20 stories tall. I found that reasonable, because if there ARE 18 superstructure decks, then that would seem like the 2 hull decks, 1H and 2H (above the waterline), would add up to 20 decks. Sorry if I over informed you. Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGljb_OdsD4 Capt. Calvin ( talk) 23:32, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
- Hey there Capt. I see what you mean about the video, and I understand what you're saying about the decking. My concern is that the video may be using "storeys" as a unit of measurement, rather than stating the actual number of decks, considering the phrase is used immediately before the measurement statement of "length of four football fields in a row". I think it is an example of creative writing. I'd avoid the 20 deck statement in the article until we can find a source which actually says that is is 20 decks; that is, something unambiguous. Otherwise, it is kind of an assumption.
- As for the RCCL webpage, I can see an argument for including a statement about it having a total of 18 decks, though at the same time, I'd caution against that until we have a firm count on exactly how many decks there are, since the website only lists those decks that are available to passengers. — Huntster ( t @ c) 03:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I understand what you're saying.
I kind of thought 20 decks seemed to tall anyway.So far there are no other statements on the internet of the Oasis of the Seas being 20 decks tall, so I think they got their information wrong. I was wondering if passenger decks started at the superstructure or if they were allowed in the hull. If they do start at the superstructre, then my 18 deck statement would almost seem plausible, seeing as there are 2 decks in the hull that are above the waterline. Once again, I'm sorry if I'm giving you too much information to process, but I can't figure out how to give resources of information. I believe that there would be 20 decks in all (passenger/crew acsessable,above and below the waterline.) because passengers can't go on decks 1,2,14 and engine room deck. 16 passenger + 4 crew decks = 20 decks. I'm kind of still scratching my head though. Talk to you soon. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 04:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Naa, you aren't confusing me...I understand boats and ships :) I understand what you are wanting to do with the information, but we don't allow original research in articles, so that readers will always understand how the data was derived. There are at least two decks underneath the passenger decks (the RCCL website starts with "deck 3"), but this is included in the total of eighteen known decks. Problem is, the *total* number of decks is unknown, and even though the website graphic doesn't visually show any more than eighteen decks, that is original research. So the reliable figure of 16 passenger decks is what's given in the article. — Huntster ( t @ c) 06:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
After looking over that file, I got 18 decks. 16 superstructure though.
Are yo sure you're not forgetting to count hull decks? I think there are 2 decks underneath the water line. Deck 1H and engine room deck. Isn't 1H just the engine room's mezzanine? Capt. Calvin ( talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Man, this is a brain-teaser! Capt. Calvin ( talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Actually, I wanted to figure out how many total decks there were, and the try to give a resource.I can't find any sufficient data to back this up, aside from looking at ship photos and guessing on Royal Caribbean's website were the superstructre starts and where the hull ends.So until then, we'll just have to not include this in the article:( Until find some website that says specifically how many decks there are, we'll just list passenger decks. I suppose if we could see the ship in person we could count all decks above the waterline. Capt. Calvin ( talk) 06:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
HI, Huntster, I found ten still photos of the ship, and counted total decks. I got 16 decks 3 times, 17 decks 1 time and 18 decks 6 times. I don't think I could be more confused. could you help me out here? Remember, these are just ten still photos out of hundreds, or maybe even thousands of pictures of Allure. Thank you in advance Capt. Calvin ( talk) 17:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Heh, deck counting can be an exercise in frustration. When I use File:Allure of the seas sideview.JPG, which is one of the better photos of Allure on-wiki, I count sixteen decks above waterline (counting the two-deck suites at the top). Since the ship does not have much structure below waterline, I'd think that would account for the two non-passenger decks. Still, designed the way they are, the Oasis class could easily have a couple more non-passenger decks hidden in plain sight, so it's rather futile to do anything with this data. — Huntster ( t @ c) 19:12, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I looked over that file already. I got 18 decks. Either I misunderstand you and think we are talking about all decks, or you're forgetting to count decks underneath the superstructre. Can you explain to me how you counted them? I just highlight the last one I counted, starting at the waterline.Like I said "I'm confused!"
Capt. Calvin (
talk) 20:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Same...I start with the waterline and work my way up, counting visible changes in structure, typically windows. Based on the RCCL site, we know there are at *least* eighteen decks, so we're getting fairly standard numbers. For that image in particular, starting with the waterline: deck with tiny portholes, deck with larger portholes, deck with larger still portholes; lifeboat level; eight decks of standard rooms, two upper decks of suites, and finally the two-deck suites. Total of sixteen visible decks in that photo. — Huntster ( t @ c) 20:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I get it now. I thought all top 3 levels were loft suites! Stupid me.Wait a second...On Royal Caribbean's web page deck 17 has loft suites as well as 18. I don't get how we can both count and get only 16 decks! Is it possible I'm only counting loft suites as 1 deck? Capt. Calvin ( talk) 20:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- I think that is the case. On the picture I linked to, above the eight decks of standard rooms, there is what appears to be three decks, with the top deck somewhat larger. That top deck is actually counted as two decks, since it is a split deck loft setup. So, 16 visible decks.— Huntster ( t @ c) 22:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Can you please tell me if deck 17 has loft suites then is it counted as 1 deck or 2 decks. I think it's one deck but I think you know more about the schematics than I do. All I know is deck 17 has loft suites. There are at least 100 16 deck pictures and 100 18 deck pictures, but they don't prove much. anyone could take a shot at a bad angle or miscount, so let's give up and call it sixteen. I'll let you know if I find anything Capt. Calvin ( talk) 22:30, 14 November 2010 (UTC)