Zoe, I wish you'd take a break. You're bitter. You're a valuable contributor but I think you need a vacation from wikipedia. i hope then you can come back with some patience and say "Okay, there all assholes, I have to deal with assholes sometimes, let me be persistant consistant and fair" which I think you usually are. I'd really like to see you continue in your "old self" form. I prefer that you do edit my articles....(though I HATE it when you delete my references or un-identify them ;-) ) I want the real Zoe back rather than this shell of a Zoe which has replaced him/her/it -- Reboot
Hi Zoe. I was about to start adding more events to
May 27 but just want to make sure you aren't either working on it now or plan on working on it soon. Cheers! --
mav
> "MyRedDice has never met a vandal he didn't like"
s/vandal/banned user ? Anyway, I treat most people with a kind of detached amusement, myself included. Must be something in the bitstream. Martin
Hey Zoe. I just wanted to comment that it would be nice if you put some information about yourself on your userpage, as well as your "hands off" statement. You seem to be a very active and interesting user, and I'd like to know more about you. When attempting to understand a character in a story, there are a few basic questions: where did they come from? what are their motivations? I guess I'm curious as to what interests you in the wiki that leads you to contribute so heavily, what your areas of interest and expertise are, and general information so I can get a better feeling for what makes you tick. Although I understand that anonymity is a large part of hanging out on the internet, I've always found it frustrating to be faced with simply a username instead of a face and a history when dealing with people. I also understand that if you actively edit other people's articles, your userpage may draw vandalism; when reading about the vandal Michael, I saw that he had changed your page to list oral sex as one of your interests. Nevertheless, I think it's important to stand up for your identity, and I'd like to know more about you than your frustration. Nelson
Dear Zoe: Hi! How are you? I have a question, I always had this question actually...are you a man or woman?
Ask and you shall receive...anwers that is..lol
Other than that I just wanted to say hi.
Thank you and God bless you!
Sincerely yours, Antonio The Issue Martin
Dear Zoe: It was just a question....Im trangendered and dont have a problem with it. Im just curious to know if youre a boy or a girl...
thanks and God bless
Antonio Im Coming Out!! Martin
Oh, er, what? Okay, Zoe, I apologise for having previously assumed that you were a woman, based solely on your user name. Would you prefer it if we referred to you as a "she" anyway, or should we use singular "they"? ;) -- Oliver P. 11:03 31 May 2003 (UTC)
Did I ever say I wasn't a woman? -- Zoe
Hallo zoe! thank you for your message - I never said all is pornographic, but this is in the USA http://www.wikipedia.org/upload/archive/1/19/20030520015715!Clitoris.jpg we tried to get rid of some - uwe Kils 04:16 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
please appologize, I never wanted to hurt anybody, I did not mean it this way. I have not seen the discussion. I lost, nobody took my cause. We had just some troubles endorsing the wikipedia in schools and for teacher and endorsing it with a funding possibility (like we did once with fishbase.org ). It was just a suggestion from an anonymous user account, which are anyway reverted immediately routinely. I could have understand the ado if I would have used my sysop power, which I always used only on owr own stuff. I still think it would be good to have some balance (for example was the fish article tiny compared to the plenty we found on the pages we suggested for an edit, and if images than of both gender would be fair. Good luck with the fine project wikipedia
from Uwe Kils ("sailor") Kils 15:21 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
You know I'm on your side re: Michael. You shouldn't take criticism so personally. Just refer people to Jimbo's mail and proceed as previously. -- Eloquence 00:34 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The reason I undeleted Conflict (band), as I have explained, is that the page contained three paragraphs of perfectly good writing by somebody who isn't Michael. It wasn't based on something Michael had written, it wasn't an edited version of Michael's text, it was new. I don't think that people who are not Michael should have their work deleted simply because they happen to have worked on the same page as him. If nobody else had edited the page, or if Quercus or somebody else had just corrected a spelling or something like that, I would not have undeleted it, but quite a lot of new and valid info was added. I'm sorry you won't be helping in cleaning up after Michael any more. -- Camembert
Zoe, as I hope you know, I am 100% on your side re Michael. I have said so on the w-list and on the deletion pages. Sometimes we have to be careful and subtle in how we deal with Michael, but please do NOT think wiki is against you on this. Many many people agree with you. lol FearÉIREANN 02:27 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Me too. You do a great job. Evercat
I left a response for you on Talk:Frottage :) As for not taking it upon yourself to babysit the brats anymore - its about time... I knew the gasket would blow sometime. You took too much upon yourself - forgetting that all you have to do is step aside and people will step up. Congratulations on shaking the monkey off your back - regardless of whether Michael or whoever is still around. - Steeb
I think Michael came from hell. Thats all I have to say. Thats my vote of approval for Zoe against Michael.
Sorry about the confusion according to the NFL record book
Tornadoes
smith03
Hey Zoe, just wanted to say, "Don't let the bastards get you down!" Don't be so quick to declare everyone's opinions for them... I've been trying to follow the discussions surrounding Michael, because I'm really concerned about the implications of vandalism for the wiki model, and I think that although like any other human with limited time, patience, and energy, you haven't handled some Michael-related situations perfectly, I'm behind you 100%. It's not like you're getting paid to maintain Wikipedia or anything, if only every organization had enthusiastic volunteers like you. Just don't let stupid people get your goat, they're not worth getting upset over... you know that in real life they're losers extraordinaire who spend all their free time watching Jerry Springer. And be optimistic. People tend to live up to their expectations. Telling people that they don't support you makes them less eager to do so. Imagine if your friend tells you, "you never call" or "you're never there when I need you", does that make you feel more friendly? Even if they've been a little lax about calling you, isn't your friendship more important? Don't get too angry with the wikipedians, they're your friends, they want a good wikipedia too. Promote a healthy, understanding community of goodwill, and the wiki will be better able to defend itself against malicious attackers. That said, take a vacation, and post some bad jokes or Beach Boys lyrics or something on your user page instead, leave people with a smile :-) -- Nelson (Why do I always end up writing a novel every time I try to say something? Feel free to summarize and refactor, as always)
I'm new to this and don't understand all the conventions. Please explain to me why you removed my note to other contributers from King's Highway (St. Augustine to Mexico) Rich J 22:37 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hey Zoe, thanks for the nice message on my talk page. I will do my best with putting up some of my own *non-copyright* images, lol. Take care. -- ManicGypsy
Zoe, ignore Graham's stupid attacks on the Votes for Deletion page. You have plenty of defenders there. (Tim has just come on to support a defence I wrote of you and other have too!) And for what its worth everytime I find Michael creating new pages of bunkum I delete on sight, not merely the text but the article. Other sysops do so too. So chin up and keep up the good fight. (Ok and be careful, DW is back. I sent a message about it on the w-list! lol FearÉIREANN 05:49 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
GrahamN is simply saying that all sysops have to comply with the Wikipedia policy on deletion of articles which are possible copyright infringements, as set out fairly unambiguously at Wikipedia:Copyrights: "If a page consists of nothing but a suspected copyright infringement, then you can also list it on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. If, after a week, the page still appears to be a copyright infringment, then it may be deleted following the procedures on the votes page." There is nothing about using judgement there: it says to leave it a week. If anyone wants to change that policy, they will have to argue to get that page changed. (I would oppose such a change, incidentally.). -- Oliver P. 05:58 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Sorry Zoe, but it had to go somewhere. VfD was up to 39 KB. -- Tim Starling 07:02 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Let's start at the beginning... 206.128.13.162 (hereafter referred to as "Gorged") contributions. Times in italics. Sysop actions in bold.
I hope this is off some help to someone. This is reconstructed from logs, etc - hopefully they're accurate. I couldn't find any other Gorged edits except these five - were there any? Martin 18:12 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
OK, comments:
Without meaning to sound too dramatic, people who often check Special:Recentchanges are on the front line of a constant struggle against vandalism and the like. Without them, Wikipedia would soon be flooded with nonsense. But since there are so many edits, snap judgements have to be made, and mistakes are going to occur. This particular instance does not seem to be particularly serious. Evercat 02:50 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
hallo zoe, hallo Martin! regarding:
Are you releasing copyright of these images you are uploading to Wikipedia? If so, then why do you need to say they're copyright by you? If not, they can't be here. -- Zoe
yes, of course are we giving you the rjight to use our images, this is legaly done by clicking the "uplead" bottom. Heep up with your fine work! we will help you - we are not the Vandals you think we are - Vikings 23:01 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think my position on this particular "discussion" is easily discernible. :) -- Notheruser 03:05 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Zoe, I wish you'd take a break. You're bitter. You're a valuable contributor but I think you need a vacation from wikipedia. i hope then you can come back with some patience and say "Okay, there all assholes, I have to deal with assholes sometimes, let me be persistant consistant and fair" which I think you usually are. I'd really like to see you continue in your "old self" form. I prefer that you do edit my articles....(though I HATE it when you delete my references or un-identify them ;-) ) I want the real Zoe back rather than this shell of a Zoe which has replaced him/her/it -- Reboot
Hi Zoe. I was about to start adding more events to
May 27 but just want to make sure you aren't either working on it now or plan on working on it soon. Cheers! --
mav
> "MyRedDice has never met a vandal he didn't like"
s/vandal/banned user ? Anyway, I treat most people with a kind of detached amusement, myself included. Must be something in the bitstream. Martin
Hey Zoe. I just wanted to comment that it would be nice if you put some information about yourself on your userpage, as well as your "hands off" statement. You seem to be a very active and interesting user, and I'd like to know more about you. When attempting to understand a character in a story, there are a few basic questions: where did they come from? what are their motivations? I guess I'm curious as to what interests you in the wiki that leads you to contribute so heavily, what your areas of interest and expertise are, and general information so I can get a better feeling for what makes you tick. Although I understand that anonymity is a large part of hanging out on the internet, I've always found it frustrating to be faced with simply a username instead of a face and a history when dealing with people. I also understand that if you actively edit other people's articles, your userpage may draw vandalism; when reading about the vandal Michael, I saw that he had changed your page to list oral sex as one of your interests. Nevertheless, I think it's important to stand up for your identity, and I'd like to know more about you than your frustration. Nelson
Dear Zoe: Hi! How are you? I have a question, I always had this question actually...are you a man or woman?
Ask and you shall receive...anwers that is..lol
Other than that I just wanted to say hi.
Thank you and God bless you!
Sincerely yours, Antonio The Issue Martin
Dear Zoe: It was just a question....Im trangendered and dont have a problem with it. Im just curious to know if youre a boy or a girl...
thanks and God bless
Antonio Im Coming Out!! Martin
Oh, er, what? Okay, Zoe, I apologise for having previously assumed that you were a woman, based solely on your user name. Would you prefer it if we referred to you as a "she" anyway, or should we use singular "they"? ;) -- Oliver P. 11:03 31 May 2003 (UTC)
Did I ever say I wasn't a woman? -- Zoe
Hallo zoe! thank you for your message - I never said all is pornographic, but this is in the USA http://www.wikipedia.org/upload/archive/1/19/20030520015715!Clitoris.jpg we tried to get rid of some - uwe Kils 04:16 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
please appologize, I never wanted to hurt anybody, I did not mean it this way. I have not seen the discussion. I lost, nobody took my cause. We had just some troubles endorsing the wikipedia in schools and for teacher and endorsing it with a funding possibility (like we did once with fishbase.org ). It was just a suggestion from an anonymous user account, which are anyway reverted immediately routinely. I could have understand the ado if I would have used my sysop power, which I always used only on owr own stuff. I still think it would be good to have some balance (for example was the fish article tiny compared to the plenty we found on the pages we suggested for an edit, and if images than of both gender would be fair. Good luck with the fine project wikipedia
from Uwe Kils ("sailor") Kils 15:21 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
You know I'm on your side re: Michael. You shouldn't take criticism so personally. Just refer people to Jimbo's mail and proceed as previously. -- Eloquence 00:34 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
The reason I undeleted Conflict (band), as I have explained, is that the page contained three paragraphs of perfectly good writing by somebody who isn't Michael. It wasn't based on something Michael had written, it wasn't an edited version of Michael's text, it was new. I don't think that people who are not Michael should have their work deleted simply because they happen to have worked on the same page as him. If nobody else had edited the page, or if Quercus or somebody else had just corrected a spelling or something like that, I would not have undeleted it, but quite a lot of new and valid info was added. I'm sorry you won't be helping in cleaning up after Michael any more. -- Camembert
Zoe, as I hope you know, I am 100% on your side re Michael. I have said so on the w-list and on the deletion pages. Sometimes we have to be careful and subtle in how we deal with Michael, but please do NOT think wiki is against you on this. Many many people agree with you. lol FearÉIREANN 02:27 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Me too. You do a great job. Evercat
I left a response for you on Talk:Frottage :) As for not taking it upon yourself to babysit the brats anymore - its about time... I knew the gasket would blow sometime. You took too much upon yourself - forgetting that all you have to do is step aside and people will step up. Congratulations on shaking the monkey off your back - regardless of whether Michael or whoever is still around. - Steeb
I think Michael came from hell. Thats all I have to say. Thats my vote of approval for Zoe against Michael.
Sorry about the confusion according to the NFL record book
Tornadoes
smith03
Hey Zoe, just wanted to say, "Don't let the bastards get you down!" Don't be so quick to declare everyone's opinions for them... I've been trying to follow the discussions surrounding Michael, because I'm really concerned about the implications of vandalism for the wiki model, and I think that although like any other human with limited time, patience, and energy, you haven't handled some Michael-related situations perfectly, I'm behind you 100%. It's not like you're getting paid to maintain Wikipedia or anything, if only every organization had enthusiastic volunteers like you. Just don't let stupid people get your goat, they're not worth getting upset over... you know that in real life they're losers extraordinaire who spend all their free time watching Jerry Springer. And be optimistic. People tend to live up to their expectations. Telling people that they don't support you makes them less eager to do so. Imagine if your friend tells you, "you never call" or "you're never there when I need you", does that make you feel more friendly? Even if they've been a little lax about calling you, isn't your friendship more important? Don't get too angry with the wikipedians, they're your friends, they want a good wikipedia too. Promote a healthy, understanding community of goodwill, and the wiki will be better able to defend itself against malicious attackers. That said, take a vacation, and post some bad jokes or Beach Boys lyrics or something on your user page instead, leave people with a smile :-) -- Nelson (Why do I always end up writing a novel every time I try to say something? Feel free to summarize and refactor, as always)
I'm new to this and don't understand all the conventions. Please explain to me why you removed my note to other contributers from King's Highway (St. Augustine to Mexico) Rich J 22:37 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hey Zoe, thanks for the nice message on my talk page. I will do my best with putting up some of my own *non-copyright* images, lol. Take care. -- ManicGypsy
Zoe, ignore Graham's stupid attacks on the Votes for Deletion page. You have plenty of defenders there. (Tim has just come on to support a defence I wrote of you and other have too!) And for what its worth everytime I find Michael creating new pages of bunkum I delete on sight, not merely the text but the article. Other sysops do so too. So chin up and keep up the good fight. (Ok and be careful, DW is back. I sent a message about it on the w-list! lol FearÉIREANN 05:49 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
GrahamN is simply saying that all sysops have to comply with the Wikipedia policy on deletion of articles which are possible copyright infringements, as set out fairly unambiguously at Wikipedia:Copyrights: "If a page consists of nothing but a suspected copyright infringement, then you can also list it on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. If, after a week, the page still appears to be a copyright infringment, then it may be deleted following the procedures on the votes page." There is nothing about using judgement there: it says to leave it a week. If anyone wants to change that policy, they will have to argue to get that page changed. (I would oppose such a change, incidentally.). -- Oliver P. 05:58 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Sorry Zoe, but it had to go somewhere. VfD was up to 39 KB. -- Tim Starling 07:02 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Let's start at the beginning... 206.128.13.162 (hereafter referred to as "Gorged") contributions. Times in italics. Sysop actions in bold.
I hope this is off some help to someone. This is reconstructed from logs, etc - hopefully they're accurate. I couldn't find any other Gorged edits except these five - were there any? Martin 18:12 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
OK, comments:
Without meaning to sound too dramatic, people who often check Special:Recentchanges are on the front line of a constant struggle against vandalism and the like. Without them, Wikipedia would soon be flooded with nonsense. But since there are so many edits, snap judgements have to be made, and mistakes are going to occur. This particular instance does not seem to be particularly serious. Evercat 02:50 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
hallo zoe, hallo Martin! regarding:
Are you releasing copyright of these images you are uploading to Wikipedia? If so, then why do you need to say they're copyright by you? If not, they can't be here. -- Zoe
yes, of course are we giving you the rjight to use our images, this is legaly done by clicking the "uplead" bottom. Heep up with your fine work! we will help you - we are not the Vandals you think we are - Vikings 23:01 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think my position on this particular "discussion" is easily discernible. :) -- Notheruser 03:05 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)