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Why are you defacing File:Ma Yuan - Water Album - Clouds Rising from the Green Sea.jpg? :-( — Lfdder ( talk) 11:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you
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blocked from editing without further notice. Yunshui, I have warned you earlier about your prolific editing; such behaviour is tolerated on Wikipedia. Please refrain from referring to this warning literally. Thank you.
Kevin
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Hi Yunshui,
I have a particularly audacious feeling that I'm ready for adminship, but of course, I'm probably not. I'm sure I've come closer to adminship than before; however, I obviously need to be prepared. As you are both an experienced sysop and a turn-to guy, what do you think I should prep for before asking someone to write me a nomination - or, what do you think I'm still missing? Cheers,
Kevin
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22:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eternal Ræper ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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ThankYou4Help! TY of Walk 09:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC) |
You're very welcome, it was my pleasure. And thank you for the barnstar. Yunshui 雲 水 09:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I have changed User:Yunshui/Adoption/Adoption page to add the noinclude for the "First task" paragraph so that does not get added to the Adoption page when substed. Please revert if you think this wasnt necessary. Also, includeonly would do the exact opposite - It will add the information to a substed version without actually displaying it on the Adoption page
TheOriginalSoni ( talk) 11:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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OH MY GOD WHAT DID YOU YUNSHUI DO THERE'S MONKEYS AND FISH EVERYWHERE SOMEONE HELP WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BECOME SUCH A PROLIFIC EDITOR I AM GOING TO MELT AND DROWN IN MY OWN LIQUID HELP Kevin 12xd ( contribs) 01:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC) ;) |
Hi Yunshui,
I am looking for adoption to get thorough knowledge of WP policies, processes, procedures and features. I did put a adoption tag in my user page for the same and a helpful editor pointed me to you as a potential adopter. To give a brief about myself, I have been mostly a recent change patroller. Most of my 2000+ edits are anti vandal edits(sing StiKi + TW), with some small involvement in edits to retail software, Indian politics and some article cleanup (less than 100 lost somewhere in the volume of anti vandal edits). I am not looking at adminship now (may be later), just want to be well versed with what I am doing. I looked at your school and liked it. So here I am if you still have some time left out and have interest in adopting me. Thanks Amit ( talk) 14:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yun.
So i've been ducking and diving IRC and one of the more experienced users reckons I could get a fine foot out of the dirt if I went into being adopted even though I have about 1,200 edits down (The situation is partly covered on my talk page), my question is, are you adopting right now? TOS has stated that while he hasn't officially announced it yet he is adopting so if you're not up for it it's fine and I won't hold it against you. I always respect those I work with (with you it was User:CardinalBadboy and the IP in case you've forgotten) and respect their side of the barrel. MM (Report findings) (Past espionage) 21:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
heads up: I've done the 'cleanup' section. Task 1 ready for marking! XD MM (Report findings) (Past espionage) 23:05, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui. I was hoping you could review an issue involving Black Forest fire. The lead says, "It is the most destructive fire in the state's history". Because it is such a major claim, and only had one cite in the lead to verify it, I added several more to verify the content. However, Wilhelm meis removed all of my cites and left this edit summary, in which he claimed that they were not "the best quality sources" and that the body of the article already had "local news sources". With this edit, I re-added all but one of the sources and explained to the editor that the sources - the Chicago Sun-Times, New York Times, NBC News, and The Washington Times - are not only "quality" sources, but that they are necessary to verify the content. I also created a footnote to remove the clutter of having so many sources displayed together. Amazingly, the editor came back and yet again reverted my edits. He then started this thread on my talk page, to which I replied to address my edits and his objections. Please read it. Based on my response, I restored the cites and footnote. Because of Wilhelm's editing pattern in the article over the past few days, I'm a bit concerned that perhaps he may be trying to control the article and the editors participating in it. For example, see this edit summary he posted, in which he raged at an editor (over a statistic that obviously would increase anyway, which of course it already has). In any case, can you please provide your thoughts on the cites and footnote I added. If you feel they are improper or unnecessary, I will gladly accept whatever opinion and guidance you provide. Thanks! -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 17:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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Wow, you guys have been busy... This isn't really something I feel particularly qualified to adjudicate; it's outside my area of expertise and covers a fairly subjective disagreement on which (to the best of my knowledge) no "official", consensus-based position has ever been established. However, since you've asked here, I'll offer my opinion, for what it's worth.
As I understand it, you've basically got two position here. 76... is arguing that claims such as "best/largest/most destructive/hairiest in history" require substantial evidence from multiple reliable sources in order to be verifiable. Wilhelm is arguing that multiple citations for such a claim are excessive and distracting for the reader, and that local news sources constitute sufficiently reliable sources for local events. If either of you feel that I've drastically misrepresented your position here, please call me out on it; everything that follows is based on this reading of your statements.
Here's my take: I'm not convinced that this claim requires such a multiplicity of sources. According to the verifiability policy, the only claims which are specifically singled out as requiring multiple (emphasis in original) reliable sources are exceptional statements, such as those listed at WP:REDFLAG. The claim the the fire is the "most destructive in the state's history" is not a controversial one; any reliable source which supports this statement with figures, such as the DeLuca one above, can demonstrate this as a fact (more people were evacuated, it destroyed more homes etc.). As such, it doesn't qualify as exceptional, so it doesn't need multiple sources for support. Precisely because the information can be verified in multiple reliable sources, it doesn't need to be.
That said, I would be in favour of including a source for this claim from one of the national newspapers. The reasoning behind this is that such papers have an established and widely-known reputation for editoral oversight and factual accuracy. Local news sources, whilst more immediately connected to the events, do not have the same cachet - they are not necessarily recognised for their reliability. Much of their information may indeed be first-hand - but equally, it may not have received the same editorial fact-checking as The New York Times' second-hand information. That's not to disparage local news sources (which have an important place in the article), merely to say that if a reader here in the UK were to see a story from the Midtownsville Observer, they would ascribe less authority to its claims than to those of the NYT. For a facts-and-figures statement like this, you want the most authoritative source possible, and that's going to be a national, rather than a local, paper.
So there you are; in my humble opinion, you're both wrong - or you're both right. My suggestion for moving forward with this would be to include a single national news source for the "most destructive" claim, which will avoid citation clutter but also provide a highly-regarded source for the statement. Whether you choose to do this is up to you guys; if you don't, I highly recommend you head for the WP:DRN, since tempers are clearly starting to flare a bit. Try and remember that both of you are doing what you think is right for Wikipedia; you may disagree on what that actually is, but ultimately, you're both shooting for the same goal. Best of luck. Yunshui 雲 水 07:40, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I am, however, a bit confused as to precisely how many sources you are recommending be used. In my reading of your comments, it sounds to me like you are suggesting just one source, and that it should be a national one. You said, "My suggestion for moving forward with this would be to include a single national news source for the "most destructive" claim". Yet, Wilhelm responded to that advice by showing you an example - his revert of me, no less - that uses three sources: one local (KOAA), one state (Denver Post), and one national (The Washington Times). He has been pushing very hard all along to get that KOAA source in there. So, Yunshui, if you are recommending using just one source, I'd suggest the New York Times story, which clearly verifies the claim ("As fire crews fought Friday to contain the most destructive wildfire in Colorado’s history") and has high credibility worldwide. [1] But if you are recommending up to three, then I'd be fine with the New York Times story; NBC News, which says, "the Black Forest fire is now the most destructive on record in the state" [2]; and the Denver Post, which says, "what is now Colorado's most destructive wildfire ever" [3]. So, a top-level national newspaper, a top-level national TV news outlet, and Colorado's biggest newspaper, all which verify that very specific "most destructive ever" claim.
After we decide how many sources to use, and which ones, I'll be happy to revert my prior edit and change it to the agreed-upon solution. Again, thank you very much for your excellent handling of this matter so that we can reach a positive resolution. :) -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 17:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
While we're waiting for a final determination on this matter, I just wanted to add one comment regarding Wilhelm's repeated theory that local news sources are of higher quality than national news sources when covering local stories. In his first revert of my sources, he said, "these are not the best quality sources". And in this discussion, he said, "Regarding the quality of the sources you added, I did not say they were not WP:Reliable sources, only that they are not of the same quality on this topic as the news sources in Colorado, who are on the scene and in direct communication with the Sheriff's office and the Fire Department, not getting their information second-hand." As Yunshui pointed out, this belief is incorrect. First, many national news outlets have been "on the scene" of this fire, as they typically are with any story receiving significant national or international coverage. In fact, all of the major broadcast news outlets in the U.S. (ABC, CBS, NBC), and others, have had their reporters in Colorado covering this event. And cable networks, such as CNN and FOX, have direct affiliations with local stations in every major TV market so that they can have reporters on the scene to cover big stories. So when you say, "I don't remember seeing any of their people on-scene in Black Forest", how would you possibly be able to remember seeing anyone there if you're not even in the U.S., let alone the Black Forest? I am in the U.S. and have watched the coverage on the various TV networks, all which have had their reporters directly at the scene. And contrary to your implication otherwise, all of the national news organizations do have "direct communication with the Sheriff's office and the Fire Department", just like the local outlets. Having said that, a media outlet does not need to be "on scene" to have great communication with the officials handling the event. In fact, law enforcement and fire agencies are perhaps more inclined to provide information to national outlets than some local ones because of their prominence and vastly larger audiences. While there are some local news outlets that provide great coverage on major stories, the national mainstream ones have a much better reputation for oversight and reliability, and thus are generally seen by people around the world as more credible and authoritative. As well, many local outlets simply do not have the resources that national news organizations do to cover stories, even if they're happening right around the corner. I will say, though, that major metropolitan daily newspapers (in any city) do have a reputation for providing superior coverage in local events like this. So the Denver Post is indeed viewed as a highly credible source. Local TV stations, in general, do not even come close to having the same level of credibility and are clearly inferior in most cases. The bottom line is that your claim that national sources are inferior to local sources when covering local events is simply untrue. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 20:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Let's not go hunting for ulterior motives where there aren't any to be found... People are interested in stuff that happens in their local area, and it's not uncommon for editors to work on articles about places they live or events they witnessed. It's no big deal. Certainly I don't see anything to suggest that Wilhelm is secretly a corporate schill for KOAA, trying to surreptitiously slip them into Wikipedia by the back door. If he's in Colorado Springs, then KOAA is his local news station, and it's an obvious choice of source for someone local - they would see more coverage from KOAA than from any other media outlet. An experienced editor shouldn't need me to point this out, but for those watching at home:
Please Assume Good Faith.
Back to the sources. In my personal opinion, as I said above, one national source would be acceptable. I'd suggest picking one that says the current fire was both the most destructive and that it was bigger than Waldo Canyon, putting it at the end of the sentence rather than in the middle (so that it can verify both claims), and then moving on to other things. If you pressed me to choose which source that should be, I'd probably opt for the Denver Post article. That's pretty much the entirety of my take on the matter. You can choose to take it or leave it; I'm just another editor, not some guru doling out pithy wisdom from my exalted seat on the mountain... Yunshui 雲 水 07:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Walter Mouton ( talk · contribs) is Wagner SMF 2.0.4 ( talk) 13:44, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I regret Sir. I shall be more careful. Sorry Fai zan 14:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you were adopting users. If you'd be willing, would you adopt me? I'd like to learn how to keep my edits constructive and helpful. Makkapakka3ROBLOX ( talk) 20:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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hi. can you please speed up a process of protection? the guru was convicted and they try to make him looking persecuted. with no proof, they come with info from his site. Bivolaru had the right to defend himself but instead he ran to Sweden granting political refugee. he didn't show up at his trials for years. not the decision is definitive. Valosu (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, it made me laugh anyway. Read this comment that 71.251.170.71 posted on my talk page. My reply will explain my confusion. Haha. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 01:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Update: I think a very nice admin (Fuhghettaboutit) solved the mystery. :) -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 02:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not entirely comfortable with this one being a non-admin closure as far as AfD goes. I did withdraw, but there were a lot of concerns over the sources and there wasn't an overwhelming support to keep the article as a whole. I think that this would have been better if it'd gone over another week or been closed by an admin rather than a non-admin user closing it. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, The photograph (File:Dr Hosur Narayan Murthy.jpg) and content on website (www.srikanta-sastri.org) are my own. Putting all of them on an encyclopedia like wikipedia gives it a wider audience and deserving one too. This was a legendary psychoanalyst, thinker and philosopher who did his PhD at Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium and knew people like Arthur Koestler. He was a professor Excelsior. There were NO copied lines from any website. The article will be well written on Wikipedia. Believe me Yunshui, Wikipedia deserves this addition. The copyright to the content on the said website is entirely mine. The Website can be looked up on "whois". It is registered to me. Please, Please In this regard I request you to restore the deleted page and image. The World deserves to know about him. I fully respect the morality and values to which WIKIPEDIA stands up ....Please give the article another chance my friend. I promise it's not a frivolous shoddy copied work. Thanks Dr Bhagirath bugs2beatles 10:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Bugs2beatles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Hi, I have corrected this discrepancy. As there is precious little on my website from which anyone can make any real money, I am more than pleased to share the wealth of knowledge there under the creative commons license with the world and wikipedia. The website banner (bottom of every page) now reads and sets free every word and image for free and creative use. Please confirm the same. Can you please please please please resurrect my page and reverse the image deletion so that I can get on with my work. Please ....... -Dr Bhagirath bugs2beatles 10:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Bugs2beatles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Thanks a ton Yunshui. -Dr Bhagirath bugs2beatles 10:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Bugs2beatles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Hi, Sure. Yes, As a matter of fact, much of his works remain in old books and journals. I have been searching online, in vain. But I promise that I have not concocted a single detail. Now that you say, even offline books can be quoted, I shall do so. Thanks for your guidance. -Dr Bhagirath --bugs2beatles 13:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Hi Yunshui, you are invited to participate in this discussion. Please note that participation is optional and the discussion closes at 12:15am sharp tonight (GMT+8). Cheers. -- Arctic Kangaroo ( ✉ • ✎) 14:29, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, I don't recognize the gender of this "Yunshui". That's why I refer to you as a male. Please inform me if I am wrong. I wanted to get the article of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him, to Featured article status. But as a prerequisite to it, and for preparations for the main operation, I started tuning the article of Al-Khalid with an aim of making it a good article. I have tried my best there, can you have a glimpse at the article? Any recommendations? Flaws? Suggestions? Mistakes? Regards. Fai zan 12:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, using the Good Article criteria as a guide, here are my thoughts:
Hope that's useful. It's not far off GA, just needs a bit of tweaking. Let me know if you want to take me up on my offer of a copyedit. Yunshui 雲 水 08:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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Why are you defacing File:Ma Yuan - Water Album - Clouds Rising from the Green Sea.jpg? :-( — Lfdder ( talk) 11:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you
vandalize Wikipedia, you may be
blocked from editing without further notice. Yunshui, I have warned you earlier about your prolific editing; such behaviour is tolerated on Wikipedia. Please refrain from referring to this warning literally. Thank you.
Kevin
12xd (
contribs)
13:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui,
I have a particularly audacious feeling that I'm ready for adminship, but of course, I'm probably not. I'm sure I've come closer to adminship than before; however, I obviously need to be prepared. As you are both an experienced sysop and a turn-to guy, what do you think I should prep for before asking someone to write me a nomination - or, what do you think I'm still missing? Cheers,
Kevin
12xd (
contribs)
22:30, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eternal Ræper ( talk • contribs) 01:16, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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ThankYou4Help! TY of Walk 09:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC) |
You're very welcome, it was my pleasure. And thank you for the barnstar. Yunshui 雲 水 09:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello,
I have changed User:Yunshui/Adoption/Adoption page to add the noinclude for the "First task" paragraph so that does not get added to the Adoption page when substed. Please revert if you think this wasnt necessary. Also, includeonly would do the exact opposite - It will add the information to a substed version without actually displaying it on the Adoption page
TheOriginalSoni ( talk) 11:15, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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OH MY GOD WHAT DID YOU YUNSHUI DO THERE'S MONKEYS AND FISH EVERYWHERE SOMEONE HELP WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BECOME SUCH A PROLIFIC EDITOR I AM GOING TO MELT AND DROWN IN MY OWN LIQUID HELP Kevin 12xd ( contribs) 01:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC) ;) |
Hi Yunshui,
I am looking for adoption to get thorough knowledge of WP policies, processes, procedures and features. I did put a adoption tag in my user page for the same and a helpful editor pointed me to you as a potential adopter. To give a brief about myself, I have been mostly a recent change patroller. Most of my 2000+ edits are anti vandal edits(sing StiKi + TW), with some small involvement in edits to retail software, Indian politics and some article cleanup (less than 100 lost somewhere in the volume of anti vandal edits). I am not looking at adminship now (may be later), just want to be well versed with what I am doing. I looked at your school and liked it. So here I am if you still have some time left out and have interest in adopting me. Thanks Amit ( talk) 14:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yun.
So i've been ducking and diving IRC and one of the more experienced users reckons I could get a fine foot out of the dirt if I went into being adopted even though I have about 1,200 edits down (The situation is partly covered on my talk page), my question is, are you adopting right now? TOS has stated that while he hasn't officially announced it yet he is adopting so if you're not up for it it's fine and I won't hold it against you. I always respect those I work with (with you it was User:CardinalBadboy and the IP in case you've forgotten) and respect their side of the barrel. MM (Report findings) (Past espionage) 21:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
heads up: I've done the 'cleanup' section. Task 1 ready for marking! XD MM (Report findings) (Past espionage) 23:05, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Yunshui. I was hoping you could review an issue involving Black Forest fire. The lead says, "It is the most destructive fire in the state's history". Because it is such a major claim, and only had one cite in the lead to verify it, I added several more to verify the content. However, Wilhelm meis removed all of my cites and left this edit summary, in which he claimed that they were not "the best quality sources" and that the body of the article already had "local news sources". With this edit, I re-added all but one of the sources and explained to the editor that the sources - the Chicago Sun-Times, New York Times, NBC News, and The Washington Times - are not only "quality" sources, but that they are necessary to verify the content. I also created a footnote to remove the clutter of having so many sources displayed together. Amazingly, the editor came back and yet again reverted my edits. He then started this thread on my talk page, to which I replied to address my edits and his objections. Please read it. Based on my response, I restored the cites and footnote. Because of Wilhelm's editing pattern in the article over the past few days, I'm a bit concerned that perhaps he may be trying to control the article and the editors participating in it. For example, see this edit summary he posted, in which he raged at an editor (over a statistic that obviously would increase anyway, which of course it already has). In any case, can you please provide your thoughts on the cites and footnote I added. If you feel they are improper or unnecessary, I will gladly accept whatever opinion and guidance you provide. Thanks! -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 17:30, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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Wow, you guys have been busy... This isn't really something I feel particularly qualified to adjudicate; it's outside my area of expertise and covers a fairly subjective disagreement on which (to the best of my knowledge) no "official", consensus-based position has ever been established. However, since you've asked here, I'll offer my opinion, for what it's worth.
As I understand it, you've basically got two position here. 76... is arguing that claims such as "best/largest/most destructive/hairiest in history" require substantial evidence from multiple reliable sources in order to be verifiable. Wilhelm is arguing that multiple citations for such a claim are excessive and distracting for the reader, and that local news sources constitute sufficiently reliable sources for local events. If either of you feel that I've drastically misrepresented your position here, please call me out on it; everything that follows is based on this reading of your statements.
Here's my take: I'm not convinced that this claim requires such a multiplicity of sources. According to the verifiability policy, the only claims which are specifically singled out as requiring multiple (emphasis in original) reliable sources are exceptional statements, such as those listed at WP:REDFLAG. The claim the the fire is the "most destructive in the state's history" is not a controversial one; any reliable source which supports this statement with figures, such as the DeLuca one above, can demonstrate this as a fact (more people were evacuated, it destroyed more homes etc.). As such, it doesn't qualify as exceptional, so it doesn't need multiple sources for support. Precisely because the information can be verified in multiple reliable sources, it doesn't need to be.
That said, I would be in favour of including a source for this claim from one of the national newspapers. The reasoning behind this is that such papers have an established and widely-known reputation for editoral oversight and factual accuracy. Local news sources, whilst more immediately connected to the events, do not have the same cachet - they are not necessarily recognised for their reliability. Much of their information may indeed be first-hand - but equally, it may not have received the same editorial fact-checking as The New York Times' second-hand information. That's not to disparage local news sources (which have an important place in the article), merely to say that if a reader here in the UK were to see a story from the Midtownsville Observer, they would ascribe less authority to its claims than to those of the NYT. For a facts-and-figures statement like this, you want the most authoritative source possible, and that's going to be a national, rather than a local, paper.
So there you are; in my humble opinion, you're both wrong - or you're both right. My suggestion for moving forward with this would be to include a single national news source for the "most destructive" claim, which will avoid citation clutter but also provide a highly-regarded source for the statement. Whether you choose to do this is up to you guys; if you don't, I highly recommend you head for the WP:DRN, since tempers are clearly starting to flare a bit. Try and remember that both of you are doing what you think is right for Wikipedia; you may disagree on what that actually is, but ultimately, you're both shooting for the same goal. Best of luck. Yunshui 雲 水 07:40, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I am, however, a bit confused as to precisely how many sources you are recommending be used. In my reading of your comments, it sounds to me like you are suggesting just one source, and that it should be a national one. You said, "My suggestion for moving forward with this would be to include a single national news source for the "most destructive" claim". Yet, Wilhelm responded to that advice by showing you an example - his revert of me, no less - that uses three sources: one local (KOAA), one state (Denver Post), and one national (The Washington Times). He has been pushing very hard all along to get that KOAA source in there. So, Yunshui, if you are recommending using just one source, I'd suggest the New York Times story, which clearly verifies the claim ("As fire crews fought Friday to contain the most destructive wildfire in Colorado’s history") and has high credibility worldwide. [1] But if you are recommending up to three, then I'd be fine with the New York Times story; NBC News, which says, "the Black Forest fire is now the most destructive on record in the state" [2]; and the Denver Post, which says, "what is now Colorado's most destructive wildfire ever" [3]. So, a top-level national newspaper, a top-level national TV news outlet, and Colorado's biggest newspaper, all which verify that very specific "most destructive ever" claim.
After we decide how many sources to use, and which ones, I'll be happy to revert my prior edit and change it to the agreed-upon solution. Again, thank you very much for your excellent handling of this matter so that we can reach a positive resolution. :) -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 17:32, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
While we're waiting for a final determination on this matter, I just wanted to add one comment regarding Wilhelm's repeated theory that local news sources are of higher quality than national news sources when covering local stories. In his first revert of my sources, he said, "these are not the best quality sources". And in this discussion, he said, "Regarding the quality of the sources you added, I did not say they were not WP:Reliable sources, only that they are not of the same quality on this topic as the news sources in Colorado, who are on the scene and in direct communication with the Sheriff's office and the Fire Department, not getting their information second-hand." As Yunshui pointed out, this belief is incorrect. First, many national news outlets have been "on the scene" of this fire, as they typically are with any story receiving significant national or international coverage. In fact, all of the major broadcast news outlets in the U.S. (ABC, CBS, NBC), and others, have had their reporters in Colorado covering this event. And cable networks, such as CNN and FOX, have direct affiliations with local stations in every major TV market so that they can have reporters on the scene to cover big stories. So when you say, "I don't remember seeing any of their people on-scene in Black Forest", how would you possibly be able to remember seeing anyone there if you're not even in the U.S., let alone the Black Forest? I am in the U.S. and have watched the coverage on the various TV networks, all which have had their reporters directly at the scene. And contrary to your implication otherwise, all of the national news organizations do have "direct communication with the Sheriff's office and the Fire Department", just like the local outlets. Having said that, a media outlet does not need to be "on scene" to have great communication with the officials handling the event. In fact, law enforcement and fire agencies are perhaps more inclined to provide information to national outlets than some local ones because of their prominence and vastly larger audiences. While there are some local news outlets that provide great coverage on major stories, the national mainstream ones have a much better reputation for oversight and reliability, and thus are generally seen by people around the world as more credible and authoritative. As well, many local outlets simply do not have the resources that national news organizations do to cover stories, even if they're happening right around the corner. I will say, though, that major metropolitan daily newspapers (in any city) do have a reputation for providing superior coverage in local events like this. So the Denver Post is indeed viewed as a highly credible source. Local TV stations, in general, do not even come close to having the same level of credibility and are clearly inferior in most cases. The bottom line is that your claim that national sources are inferior to local sources when covering local events is simply untrue. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 20:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Let's not go hunting for ulterior motives where there aren't any to be found... People are interested in stuff that happens in their local area, and it's not uncommon for editors to work on articles about places they live or events they witnessed. It's no big deal. Certainly I don't see anything to suggest that Wilhelm is secretly a corporate schill for KOAA, trying to surreptitiously slip them into Wikipedia by the back door. If he's in Colorado Springs, then KOAA is his local news station, and it's an obvious choice of source for someone local - they would see more coverage from KOAA than from any other media outlet. An experienced editor shouldn't need me to point this out, but for those watching at home:
Please Assume Good Faith.
Back to the sources. In my personal opinion, as I said above, one national source would be acceptable. I'd suggest picking one that says the current fire was both the most destructive and that it was bigger than Waldo Canyon, putting it at the end of the sentence rather than in the middle (so that it can verify both claims), and then moving on to other things. If you pressed me to choose which source that should be, I'd probably opt for the Denver Post article. That's pretty much the entirety of my take on the matter. You can choose to take it or leave it; I'm just another editor, not some guru doling out pithy wisdom from my exalted seat on the mountain... Yunshui 雲 水 07:01, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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I regret Sir. I shall be more careful. Sorry Fai zan 14:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you were adopting users. If you'd be willing, would you adopt me? I'd like to learn how to keep my edits constructive and helpful. Makkapakka3ROBLOX ( talk) 20:33, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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hi. can you please speed up a process of protection? the guru was convicted and they try to make him looking persecuted. with no proof, they come with info from his site. Bivolaru had the right to defend himself but instead he ran to Sweden granting political refugee. he didn't show up at his trials for years. not the decision is definitive. Valosu (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, it made me laugh anyway. Read this comment that 71.251.170.71 posted on my talk page. My reply will explain my confusion. Haha. -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 01:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Update: I think a very nice admin (Fuhghettaboutit) solved the mystery. :) -- 76.189.109.155 ( talk) 02:05, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm not entirely comfortable with this one being a non-admin closure as far as AfD goes. I did withdraw, but there were a lot of concerns over the sources and there wasn't an overwhelming support to keep the article as a whole. I think that this would have been better if it'd gone over another week or been closed by an admin rather than a non-admin user closing it. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 04:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, The photograph (File:Dr Hosur Narayan Murthy.jpg) and content on website (www.srikanta-sastri.org) are my own. Putting all of them on an encyclopedia like wikipedia gives it a wider audience and deserving one too. This was a legendary psychoanalyst, thinker and philosopher who did his PhD at Katholieke Universiteit Leuven, Belgium and knew people like Arthur Koestler. He was a professor Excelsior. There were NO copied lines from any website. The article will be well written on Wikipedia. Believe me Yunshui, Wikipedia deserves this addition. The copyright to the content on the said website is entirely mine. The Website can be looked up on "whois". It is registered to me. Please, Please In this regard I request you to restore the deleted page and image. The World deserves to know about him. I fully respect the morality and values to which WIKIPEDIA stands up ....Please give the article another chance my friend. I promise it's not a frivolous shoddy copied work. Thanks Dr Bhagirath bugs2beatles 10:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Bugs2beatles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Hi, I have corrected this discrepancy. As there is precious little on my website from which anyone can make any real money, I am more than pleased to share the wealth of knowledge there under the creative commons license with the world and wikipedia. The website banner (bottom of every page) now reads and sets free every word and image for free and creative use. Please confirm the same. Can you please please please please resurrect my page and reverse the image deletion so that I can get on with my work. Please ....... -Dr Bhagirath bugs2beatles 10:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Bugs2beatles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Thanks a ton Yunshui. -Dr Bhagirath bugs2beatles 10:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Bugs2beatles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Hi, Sure. Yes, As a matter of fact, much of his works remain in old books and journals. I have been searching online, in vain. But I promise that I have not concocted a single detail. Now that you say, even offline books can be quoted, I shall do so. Thanks for your guidance. -Dr Bhagirath --bugs2beatles 13:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bugs2beatles ( talk • contribs)
Hi Yunshui, you are invited to participate in this discussion. Please note that participation is optional and the discussion closes at 12:15am sharp tonight (GMT+8). Cheers. -- Arctic Kangaroo ( ✉ • ✎) 14:29, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, I don't recognize the gender of this "Yunshui". That's why I refer to you as a male. Please inform me if I am wrong. I wanted to get the article of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him, to Featured article status. But as a prerequisite to it, and for preparations for the main operation, I started tuning the article of Al-Khalid with an aim of making it a good article. I have tried my best there, can you have a glimpse at the article? Any recommendations? Flaws? Suggestions? Mistakes? Regards. Fai zan 12:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, using the Good Article criteria as a guide, here are my thoughts:
Hope that's useful. It's not far off GA, just needs a bit of tweaking. Let me know if you want to take me up on my offer of a copyedit. Yunshui 雲 水 08:34, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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