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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding or significantly changing content without
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08:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from
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Total-MAdMaN (
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08:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading File:Ruben drawing Rockett.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 16:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
I deleted those articles as a result of the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rockett's New School, so you cannot simply recreate them. If you think they should not have been deleted, you should first ask me, as the administrator who closed the discussion, to change my decision; but I will not agree unless you can find references that show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" so as to establish WP:Notability. If you do not convince me, you can go to WP:Deletion review, but there you will need either to argue that the deletion discussion was wrongly decided or that there is new information, like independent references. JohnCD ( talk) 21:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The first issue is notability. It was originally thought that Wikipedia could be a "List of everything", but long ago it was decided that in order to be a useful encyclopedia it needed to be selective. The criterion used is called Wikipedia:Notability, and it is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people independent of the subject thought it significant enough to write substantial comment about? See WP:42
The people who contributed to the deletion discussion didn't find that sort of coverage for these games. The Purple Moon article has a couple (assuming the Brenda Laurel lecture, which I didn't watch, mentions it) which is about enough.
Another point, as you will see from WP:WAF, is that articles about fiction and games should not be just extended plot summary; they should say something about the impact in the real world, how they were received, how successful they were, whether they influenced later games. If there is no information of that sort available, that suggests the subject may not be notable enough for an article.
It's a pity to lose all the work you have put into writing these plot summaries, but I'm afraid there is no way they are going to be acceptable. One thought - for many subjects, there are specialised Wikis, like Wookiepedia for Star Wars, where the sort of extended in-universe detail is welcome which here on Wikipedia we would call "cruft" and reject. Though not likely, it is just possible that one for the Purple Moon games may exist.
My suggestion is that, to start with, you write a paragraph or two about the games to be inserted in the Purple Moon article. That will be a good exercise in compressing down to the essential detail. If that goes well, and you can find more in the way of external sources, then maybe that could be expanded into a stand-alone article about the Rockett games as a whole.
I'm sorry if you find this advice disappointing, but learning curves are always painful, and Wikipedia is so complex that the only way to learn is by making mistakes. There is a group of editors ("editor" means just the same as "user") interested in video games at WP:WikiProject Video games - you may be able to find help and advice there. Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 22:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
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Hello! Yassigurl101,
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Sarah (
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19:27, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding or significantly changing content without
citing a
reliable source, as you did with
this edit to
Rockett's Camp Adventures, is not consistent with our policy of
verifiability. Take a look at the
welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with
Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article.
Millermk90 (
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08:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed maintenance templates from
Rockett's Adventure Maker. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been
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Total-MAdMaN (
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08:19, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading File:Ruben drawing Rockett.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).
Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 16:16, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
I deleted those articles as a result of the deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rockett's New School, so you cannot simply recreate them. If you think they should not have been deleted, you should first ask me, as the administrator who closed the discussion, to change my decision; but I will not agree unless you can find references that show significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" so as to establish WP:Notability. If you do not convince me, you can go to WP:Deletion review, but there you will need either to argue that the deletion discussion was wrongly decided or that there is new information, like independent references. JohnCD ( talk) 21:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
The first issue is notability. It was originally thought that Wikipedia could be a "List of everything", but long ago it was decided that in order to be a useful encyclopedia it needed to be selective. The criterion used is called Wikipedia:Notability, and it is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. The test is, have people independent of the subject thought it significant enough to write substantial comment about? See WP:42
The people who contributed to the deletion discussion didn't find that sort of coverage for these games. The Purple Moon article has a couple (assuming the Brenda Laurel lecture, which I didn't watch, mentions it) which is about enough.
Another point, as you will see from WP:WAF, is that articles about fiction and games should not be just extended plot summary; they should say something about the impact in the real world, how they were received, how successful they were, whether they influenced later games. If there is no information of that sort available, that suggests the subject may not be notable enough for an article.
It's a pity to lose all the work you have put into writing these plot summaries, but I'm afraid there is no way they are going to be acceptable. One thought - for many subjects, there are specialised Wikis, like Wookiepedia for Star Wars, where the sort of extended in-universe detail is welcome which here on Wikipedia we would call "cruft" and reject. Though not likely, it is just possible that one for the Purple Moon games may exist.
My suggestion is that, to start with, you write a paragraph or two about the games to be inserted in the Purple Moon article. That will be a good exercise in compressing down to the essential detail. If that goes well, and you can find more in the way of external sources, then maybe that could be expanded into a stand-alone article about the Rockett games as a whole.
I'm sorry if you find this advice disappointing, but learning curves are always painful, and Wikipedia is so complex that the only way to learn is by making mistakes. There is a group of editors ("editor" means just the same as "user") interested in video games at WP:WikiProject Video games - you may be able to find help and advice there. Regards, JohnCD ( talk) 22:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Message added 11:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.