Two things
Hello Warofdreams. I am quite new to Wiki, but have taken on trying to sort out the NCPB entry as best I can following the deletion discussion. I am interested in the British left generally, and specifically the NCPB as a regular reader of the New Worker.
I have been adding references as requested. I dont have access to some acedemic papers, but have added as many 3rd party references as I can.
Unfortunately the edit war with Troublemaker1973 is ongoing, and depited repeated requests he does not reference his edits, or discuss them. I would appreciate your advice on how to deal with this matter, as there are some changes I would like to make to the entry, but don't want to get into a constant revert war without any reasoned discussion.
Thank you. 86.130.249.184 ( talk) 11:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry - forgot to sign in Grauniad100 ( talk) 12:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC) HI again.
– RyanCross ( talk) 00:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
HI - my edits on urban75 were perfectly correct. thanks
see the messageboard for proof! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.114.209 ( talk) 15:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
releveant thread here;
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See Talk:Trans-Saharan trade#West vs Subsaharan Africa. Thanks, Banyan Tree 23:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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Was a huge gap in WP, well done! I take it you couldnt lay your hands on his autobiography? Traditional unionist ( talk) 19:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding the paradise square article. Firstly, do you have a source for the statement you put in a footnote that Nikolaus Pevsner was wrong. I am sure that this is true, but I can't find a good source. Leader, 1876 p.3, includes a debate as to whether the east side was constructed in 1736 or 1776, and also states that the east side was built by Thomas Broadbent, which is confusing. Secondly, I think that you know a lot about the chartists in Sheffield—do you know whether the September 1838 meeting took place in Paradise Square, or somewhere else. I can't find agreement amongst various sources. Thanks, — Jeremy ( talk) 18:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Some time ago you advice a really useful solution to deal with difficult matters [3]
So
Subtelny's 1988 edition, page 474, first paragraph: "Compared to other underground movements in Nazi-occupied Europe, the UPA was unique in that it had practically no foreign support. Its growth and strength were, therefore, an indication of the very considerable popular support it enjoyed among most Ukrainians."
And Ukrainian Academy of Sciences outside of Western Ukraine, UPA support was minimal, and predominant majority of the Ukrainian population considered the OUN/UPA to have been collaborators with the German oppressors and supplied by them with arms and ammunitions from the beginning of the 1944.
I’ve given as
According to 1988 work of historian Orest Subtelny among the anti-Nazi resistance movements it was unique, in that it had no significant foreign support. Its growth and strength was a reflection of the popularity it enjoyed among most Ukrainians. [1] While, 2004 work of Ukrainian Academy of Sciences conclude what outside of Western Ukraine, UPA support was minimal, and predominant majority of the Ukrainian population considered the OUN/UPA to have been collaborators with the German oppressors and supplied by them with arms and ammunitions from the beginning of the 1944. [2]
Is it correct.
Or should be given as
Among the anti-Nazi resistance movements it was unique in that it had no significant foreign support. Its growth and strength was a reflection of the popularity it enjoyed among the people of Western Ukraine. [1] Outside of Western Ukraine, support was minimal, and the predominant majority of the Soviet Ukrainian population considered the OUN/UPA to have been collaborators with the Germans. [2]
A same issue with
From areas of Ukrainian Nationalists activity were deported: officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people [3] [4] while according to 1988 work of Subtelny, Orest number only for 1944-47 may have been as high as to 500,000. [5]
Areas of UPA activity were depopulated, the estimates on numbers vary, officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people [6] [7] while other sources indicate the number may have been as high as to 500,000. [5]
Is it correct to join 1944-52 and 1944-47 data in one sentence without clear mentioned such differences in text? Is it correct to call one source as “sources”. Is it correct to use 1988 text if available 2000 edition of text which actually does not mentioned above mentioned?
Also one more question – how many references from different sources should be provided for fact in order to protect it from replacement it with the info without any references?
Thank you in advance. -- Jo0doe ( talk) 19:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Again I try to implement your recommendations in the article [4] – but again it were reverted by group of Ukrainian Diaspora editors. The main issue in brief described in words of Historians – and called A Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora [5]. So all edited by me articles which contradict with this “Blank Spots” initiated an edit-warring. Proclamation_of_Ukrainian_statehood,_1941, Massacres of Poles in Volhynia, Ukrainian Insurgent Army . It’s look like one against many but united by the Collective Memory. Such edit warring can be very simply stopped – if follow basics WP:Principles WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV - WP:UNDUE. But, as last year depict – it’s not easy to do. Unfortunately it’s quite complex and not widely known page of WWII history so – most of available WP:RS are not English, while most of available English sources reflect a Blank Spot in the Collective Memory. However some Spots can be easily fixed with many available sources about Nazi anti-partisan activities and Waffen-SS military history as for instance *Alexander Dallin German Rule in Russia: 1941-1945 A study of occupational Policies (London Macmillan, 1957) *Die Wehrmacht:Mythos and Realitat ed. Rolf-Dieter Muller and Hans-Erich Volkmann (Munich Oldenburg Verlag, 1999)
So could you advice an place were can be found a WP-editors (administrators) which can be assist in the fixing ”Spots” in WP. RfC does not have any results so far10:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
So a citation from Kerstin Jobst of the University of Salzburg
Universities in the United States of America and Canada like Harvard, Toronto, and Edmonton have been for many years--thanks to a well-to-do North-American-based Ukrainian diaspora--the centers of historical Ukrainian studies.
I actually not object to “maskirovka units” (word construction which has any sense used by Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University) I simply would like to indicate in the article the source which claimed over 250,000 people were arrested in Western Ukraine if the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences limited this number to approximately 28,000 “proponents of Ukrainian nationalists”. And in addition to claims about 11,725 Soviet officers, agents and collaborators were assassinated and 2,401 were "missing", presumed kidnapped – I’ve add Ukrainian Academy of Sciences break down – were 3-4 thousands were different soviet official (of them 2+K of soviet soldiers and officers by Red Army which killed in 1944 in front rear).While the rest are civilians (mostly women – as mentioned by Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University work) allegedly nominated as collaborators – examples of “collaboration” also gratefully provided by same author in work [18]
brutal reprisals carried out by SB units against women suspected of “pro- Soviet sympathies” - heartily welcoming of Red Army soldiers, feeding them, allow them to stay in house, be a family member of mobilized Red Army soldiers etc . In village Diadkovichi SB unit murdered Sofia PAVLIUK, who heartily welcomed soldiers of the advancing Red Army.” “On the night of 19 September [1944] in the village Bolshaia-Osneshcha, Kolkovskyi raion the STRESHA band murdered four women, in whose apartments lived Red Army soldiers.” “On the night of 23 September [1944] in village Mikhlin, Senkovichi raion, a SB unit of four persons killed four women and injured one. [The women] had gotten together to write letters to their husbands and sons [serving] in the Red Army.” While targets of SB violence were certainly not exclusively women and girls, a close look at patterns of rebel violence against local citizens suggests that reprisals against “collaborators” was a euphemism for violence against ethnic Poles during World War II and the first two postwar years, when three quarters of the violence against “locals” was directed against ethnic Poles.
Brutality action were not halted until full extermination of OUN/UPA SB units – even in 21 June 1948 at Lviv State University stable Soviet investigators uncovered eighteen naked and mutilated corpses — seventeen women and one adolescent boy which were killed since November 1947 by OUN/UPA SB unit. Nearly all of the corpses were so badly decomposed that only six could be identified by family members (mainly through personal objects or clothing). In each case, the victim had been beaten to death on the back of the skull with an ax, hammer, or pipe. As a reflection of the macabre ritual interrogation that usually preceded SB executions of “suspected collaborators”, one corpse still had more than a meter of noose around her neck. SB assassination squad responsible for such crime had nine members, and acted on the direct instructions of the commander of an UPA regiment based in a nearby forest. All of the executions had been perpetrated under orders. One of the SB unit members had been recruited into the unit by an old friend, an officer from the Ukrainian SS Galicia Division, who was arrested in 1946.
Interesting – isn`t? As regards to user:Narking – his intend to use WP:QS ^ The Restoration of the Ukrainian State in World War II. Published by Ukrainian Central Information Service, London 1987. ISBN 0-902322-35-4. – hardly to nominate as good editing especially when he return hoaxes of others Jo0doe ( talk) 09:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
It’s really sad to note what so many effort were given to put others in misconception – and not at all effort traced to fix some typing errors of others. Even in assistance in one correct translation were refused - [19]. As regards Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University – see his foreword to his recent published compilation of his old articles. Indeed interesting to see why sole editor nominate as POV presenting of two and more scholars opinions instead of exclusively Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University opinion from work which does not devoted specifically to article topic. As regards some actions by editor – again “ugly details” in article misrepresented as an “reprisal to closing schools” instead of large scale planned ethical cleaning perpetrated by specific formation and organization. Adding
Without mentioning author of claim and period about which claimed simply mislead visitors.
Again and again – see WP:UNDEW were in article should not be rewrite a majority view strictly from a minority (Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora ) view. So group of editors (united by Collective Memory )which did not like to see in article facts like
IMT Vol III p.21
SS and militia broke the windows, forced the doors with beams and crowbars and entered the houses… Women carried their dead children in their arms, children pulled and dragged their dead parents by their arms and legs down to the road… Again and again the cries “Open the door! Open the door! Echoed through ghetto.” On 2 June the 49 Mountaineer Corps took steps against the maltreatment of Jews by the local Ukrainians at Lemberg Vol XXI p.401 Affidavits 1602, 1603 and 1604
The Einsatzgruppen composed of members of the SD, SS, the Kripo, the Gestapo, the Order Police of emergency draftees and of indigenous forces. Vol XXI p.513
Becouse accordingly to adopted community myth prefer to recognize a myths – like O14-USSR documents – which matched “unique anti-Nazi resistance movement “ fringe theory. And in general refuse to acknowledge the existence of real IMT document - USSR-14 (IMT Vol XXI) in which actually placed a
Firstly good work on completing the Stormont constituencies. Secondly I wonder if you could consider semi-protecting the ETA article? It's being slow edit warred by IP editors who are adding terrorist in contravention of wp:words to avoid and the talkpage consensus that terrorist is mentioned in its proper place and attributed in an NPOV way. Thanks, Valenciano ( talk) 17:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Good job on creating these, however I noticed that some of the results are wrong - not your fault as the reason seems to be that the headline results on ark are wrong. On the 1989 page for example [20] the wrong results are the ones in the "results by party" section whereas the correct results (which are different) are in the "results by council" section(!) Anyway I've amended the 1989 results and will have a go at expanding the rest over the course of the next week. All the best, Valenciano ( talk) 20:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
— Politizer talk/ contribs 23:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Because if it's not there, inexperienced updaters will often create updates with no US hooks in them, leaving the next guy too many US hooks to get rid of. Or else they will use all US hooks themselves.
It was a recurring problem for DYK before that notice was put there, and since it's been there I've almost never had to change the mix. As it happens, we've been getting more foreign hooks lately, so it's not as much a problem as it was, but I still go to the suggestions page quite often and find that there's a bunch of US hooks accumulating. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Again my edits in article related to OUN-B and it secsessor Congress of Free Ukrainians removed my data under different spices. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27]. Things are removed - a documented link between Nazi and OUN-B actions and "tail" of OUN-B secsessor. Could you please advice me a solution in this matter - does anyone can assist me in fixing some of my typo instead of blanking and replace correct Wiki link - new order in Europe and Moscovite with a to new order in Europe Moscovite - So at least this side of my edits will not be a Casus belli. Thank you again for your very usefull advice in the past Jo0doe ( talk) 16:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
reverting my edits and inserting hoaxes listed [33] can not be nominated as "active editors". "Nasty" - means historical facts from highly graded RS - [34] - lool like editors cooperative simply don't like to have a WP as a reliable source - better to hide out tha facts that genocide became the tool of Ukrainian nationalist dreams, laying the foundations for a prospective – and chimerical – Ukrainian state on the basis of conquest, subjugation and, ultimately, the annihilation of Ukraine’s principal enemies in eastern Ukraine – Jews and Poles. And similar other facts removed Jo0doe ( talk) 06:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for completing the list of former office-holders. Mooretwin ( talk) 09:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
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I think it's fine as it is. Gatoclass ( talk) 23:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Editor which was unable to comprehend my attempt to Communicate (see WP:TALK [37] A week ago familiarize me with [38] by [39] As far as I can see, this possible happened due the genuine dispute over the sources and contents – I’ve added at article talk page [40] [41] while mentioned book does not even mentioned such. – while respected scholars which studied the Soviet economy of 20-30s and published many works on that topic nominate the mentioned above book author as “He misuses sources, he twists everything” [42]. As far as added by me economical data related to the specific event now extensively removed from articles [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] and soon will be removed from WP. I kindly ask you to advice me how long I should wait for specific explanation about my “largely of violations of WP:TALK and WP:SOAPBOX” as mentioned for a cause of indefinitely blocking . I also need you advice about historical article sources – should it be based on scholar works devoted to specific period or on the soap box speeches started from early 1980s and after recession - from 2000s – as supposed here [49]. Thank you Jo0doe ( talk) 07:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Simply lead to [50]
Despite this [55]
Almost all my edits was used in article. [56]
My desperate attempts to get a page numbers,RS sources and follow the WP:rules from virtually same cooperative of editors at articles Gleaning, UIA and 14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Galicia_(1st_Ukrainian) again has no results.
Unfortunatelly.. But it really sad to note a “double standards” and “soapbox charged” approach at some WP participants. So again thank you for your assistance in the past – it was really useful and really able to resolve many issues on articles with controversial topics.Thank you (Jo0Doe) 213.159.241.196 ( talk) 10:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice try with Austrian “officer approach” (put other in misconception by distort the matter of dispute) while my “hoax notes” (A hoax is a deliberate attempt to dupe, deceive or trick an audience into believing, or accepting, that something is real, when in fact it is not; or that something is true, when in fact it is false.) was related to edits [62] referenced through John A. Armstrong. (1963). Ukrainian Nationalism. New York: Columbia University Press, pp. 170-175 and
So actually what appeared now in article – indeed it was proven as true that almost all actually does not appeared at pages 170-175 of Armstrong, and there no Institute of History concluded that "the SS… Still I was unable to defend WP:reliablity on facts and figures [63] see page 60 of the book – and see my at least 3 desperate attempts to make WP as a reliable source. [64] [65]
So editor have book and have been warned to fix article text per scholar text – so no effort exist only game was placing around irrelevant to article topic UNDO) – while nice “facts” SS Division primary organizer was an UNDO – no Himmler no Alfred Rosenmberg – but UNDO officer – charming WP:Fringe and “unique gem” in WP:reliability crown . As regards Holodomor – see my concern - [66] and see recent – [67] – am this can be called a wp:TALK violation (and rest)? See the “perfect” collection of “famine-genocide” causes – Causes_of_the_Holodomor –which in fact completely contradict with Holodomor article. So adding an economical, demographical and statistical data in “English” WP called WP:TE – while using an SS members apocrypha with “Jewish Elements” for WP articles – it’s a ‘productive editors” way. So – I hope there is something wrong in approach. Jo0Doe 213.159.244.137 ( talk) 14:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello there! I hope all is well with you, particularly in the run-up to Christmas!
Just a couple of things:
1. Would you be able to create a new locator map for Greater Manchester, akin to Template:Location map United Kingdom Wiltshire, using this image as the background? It's for something I have have planned for the Portal:Greater Manchester as well as WP:GM. I would be very greatful.
2. I don't know if you're aware too, but its dawned on a few of us at WP:UKGEO that the 2009 structural changes to local government in England are set to play heck with some corners of WP. We've started Wikipedia:2009ENGLAND to try and organise things, but this could affect some of the locator maps you set up in 2007/08 for Template:Infobox UK place, and so I thought I'd best give you a nudge about this. Even since starting this message I've realised that the changes will change things like Template:EnglishDistrictPopulation too! Oh dear!
Again, hope you're well. -- Jza84 | Talk 03:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi! As a bureaucrat on Wikipedia, I'd very much appreciate it if you would fill in your details on the newly updated Bureaucrats page. Thanks! Majorly talk 14:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed you added a succession box to the page about Emrys Roberts showing him as President of the Liberal Party but the records I have consulted don't indicate he ever held that office. For the years 1963-64 the office holder was Lord Ogmore. I do not want to start altering these boxes without being sure I am right. What source did you use? Regards, -- Graham Lippiatt ( talk) 17:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
Two things
Hello Warofdreams. I am quite new to Wiki, but have taken on trying to sort out the NCPB entry as best I can following the deletion discussion. I am interested in the British left generally, and specifically the NCPB as a regular reader of the New Worker.
I have been adding references as requested. I dont have access to some acedemic papers, but have added as many 3rd party references as I can.
Unfortunately the edit war with Troublemaker1973 is ongoing, and depited repeated requests he does not reference his edits, or discuss them. I would appreciate your advice on how to deal with this matter, as there are some changes I would like to make to the entry, but don't want to get into a constant revert war without any reasoned discussion.
Thank you. 86.130.249.184 ( talk) 11:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry - forgot to sign in Grauniad100 ( talk) 12:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC) HI again.
– RyanCross ( talk) 00:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
HI - my edits on urban75 were perfectly correct. thanks
see the messageboard for proof! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.114.209 ( talk) 15:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
releveant thread here;
http://www.safeforwork.net/index.php/1010110A/3880ba48b4db12c8e3deb11b75a0bd7c7e8b502fe599f7652f6b46a0cd609a5d8e9a09283ff6f48e7dbb7c2019183cc0f216d45a990b18444 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.114.209 ( talk) 16:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
See Talk:Trans-Saharan trade#West vs Subsaharan Africa. Thanks, Banyan Tree 23:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
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Was a huge gap in WP, well done! I take it you couldnt lay your hands on his autobiography? Traditional unionist ( talk) 19:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding the paradise square article. Firstly, do you have a source for the statement you put in a footnote that Nikolaus Pevsner was wrong. I am sure that this is true, but I can't find a good source. Leader, 1876 p.3, includes a debate as to whether the east side was constructed in 1736 or 1776, and also states that the east side was built by Thomas Broadbent, which is confusing. Secondly, I think that you know a lot about the chartists in Sheffield—do you know whether the September 1838 meeting took place in Paradise Square, or somewhere else. I can't find agreement amongst various sources. Thanks, — Jeremy ( talk) 18:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Some time ago you advice a really useful solution to deal with difficult matters [3]
So
Subtelny's 1988 edition, page 474, first paragraph: "Compared to other underground movements in Nazi-occupied Europe, the UPA was unique in that it had practically no foreign support. Its growth and strength were, therefore, an indication of the very considerable popular support it enjoyed among most Ukrainians."
And Ukrainian Academy of Sciences outside of Western Ukraine, UPA support was minimal, and predominant majority of the Ukrainian population considered the OUN/UPA to have been collaborators with the German oppressors and supplied by them with arms and ammunitions from the beginning of the 1944.
I’ve given as
According to 1988 work of historian Orest Subtelny among the anti-Nazi resistance movements it was unique, in that it had no significant foreign support. Its growth and strength was a reflection of the popularity it enjoyed among most Ukrainians. [1] While, 2004 work of Ukrainian Academy of Sciences conclude what outside of Western Ukraine, UPA support was minimal, and predominant majority of the Ukrainian population considered the OUN/UPA to have been collaborators with the German oppressors and supplied by them with arms and ammunitions from the beginning of the 1944. [2]
Is it correct.
Or should be given as
Among the anti-Nazi resistance movements it was unique in that it had no significant foreign support. Its growth and strength was a reflection of the popularity it enjoyed among the people of Western Ukraine. [1] Outside of Western Ukraine, support was minimal, and the predominant majority of the Soviet Ukrainian population considered the OUN/UPA to have been collaborators with the Germans. [2]
A same issue with
From areas of Ukrainian Nationalists activity were deported: officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people [3] [4] while according to 1988 work of Subtelny, Orest number only for 1944-47 may have been as high as to 500,000. [5]
Areas of UPA activity were depopulated, the estimates on numbers vary, officially Soviet archives state that between 1944 and 1952 a total of 182,543 people [6] [7] while other sources indicate the number may have been as high as to 500,000. [5]
Is it correct to join 1944-52 and 1944-47 data in one sentence without clear mentioned such differences in text? Is it correct to call one source as “sources”. Is it correct to use 1988 text if available 2000 edition of text which actually does not mentioned above mentioned?
Also one more question – how many references from different sources should be provided for fact in order to protect it from replacement it with the info without any references?
Thank you in advance. -- Jo0doe ( talk) 19:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Again I try to implement your recommendations in the article [4] – but again it were reverted by group of Ukrainian Diaspora editors. The main issue in brief described in words of Historians – and called A Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora [5]. So all edited by me articles which contradict with this “Blank Spots” initiated an edit-warring. Proclamation_of_Ukrainian_statehood,_1941, Massacres of Poles in Volhynia, Ukrainian Insurgent Army . It’s look like one against many but united by the Collective Memory. Such edit warring can be very simply stopped – if follow basics WP:Principles WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV - WP:UNDUE. But, as last year depict – it’s not easy to do. Unfortunately it’s quite complex and not widely known page of WWII history so – most of available WP:RS are not English, while most of available English sources reflect a Blank Spot in the Collective Memory. However some Spots can be easily fixed with many available sources about Nazi anti-partisan activities and Waffen-SS military history as for instance *Alexander Dallin German Rule in Russia: 1941-1945 A study of occupational Policies (London Macmillan, 1957) *Die Wehrmacht:Mythos and Realitat ed. Rolf-Dieter Muller and Hans-Erich Volkmann (Munich Oldenburg Verlag, 1999)
So could you advice an place were can be found a WP-editors (administrators) which can be assist in the fixing ”Spots” in WP. RfC does not have any results so far10:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
So a citation from Kerstin Jobst of the University of Salzburg
Universities in the United States of America and Canada like Harvard, Toronto, and Edmonton have been for many years--thanks to a well-to-do North-American-based Ukrainian diaspora--the centers of historical Ukrainian studies.
I actually not object to “maskirovka units” (word construction which has any sense used by Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University) I simply would like to indicate in the article the source which claimed over 250,000 people were arrested in Western Ukraine if the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences limited this number to approximately 28,000 “proponents of Ukrainian nationalists”. And in addition to claims about 11,725 Soviet officers, agents and collaborators were assassinated and 2,401 were "missing", presumed kidnapped – I’ve add Ukrainian Academy of Sciences break down – were 3-4 thousands were different soviet official (of them 2+K of soviet soldiers and officers by Red Army which killed in 1944 in front rear).While the rest are civilians (mostly women – as mentioned by Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University work) allegedly nominated as collaborators – examples of “collaboration” also gratefully provided by same author in work [18]
brutal reprisals carried out by SB units against women suspected of “pro- Soviet sympathies” - heartily welcoming of Red Army soldiers, feeding them, allow them to stay in house, be a family member of mobilized Red Army soldiers etc . In village Diadkovichi SB unit murdered Sofia PAVLIUK, who heartily welcomed soldiers of the advancing Red Army.” “On the night of 19 September [1944] in the village Bolshaia-Osneshcha, Kolkovskyi raion the STRESHA band murdered four women, in whose apartments lived Red Army soldiers.” “On the night of 23 September [1944] in village Mikhlin, Senkovichi raion, a SB unit of four persons killed four women and injured one. [The women] had gotten together to write letters to their husbands and sons [serving] in the Red Army.” While targets of SB violence were certainly not exclusively women and girls, a close look at patterns of rebel violence against local citizens suggests that reprisals against “collaborators” was a euphemism for violence against ethnic Poles during World War II and the first two postwar years, when three quarters of the violence against “locals” was directed against ethnic Poles.
Brutality action were not halted until full extermination of OUN/UPA SB units – even in 21 June 1948 at Lviv State University stable Soviet investigators uncovered eighteen naked and mutilated corpses — seventeen women and one adolescent boy which were killed since November 1947 by OUN/UPA SB unit. Nearly all of the corpses were so badly decomposed that only six could be identified by family members (mainly through personal objects or clothing). In each case, the victim had been beaten to death on the back of the skull with an ax, hammer, or pipe. As a reflection of the macabre ritual interrogation that usually preceded SB executions of “suspected collaborators”, one corpse still had more than a meter of noose around her neck. SB assassination squad responsible for such crime had nine members, and acted on the direct instructions of the commander of an UPA regiment based in a nearby forest. All of the executions had been perpetrated under orders. One of the SB unit members had been recruited into the unit by an old friend, an officer from the Ukrainian SS Galicia Division, who was arrested in 1946.
Interesting – isn`t? As regards to user:Narking – his intend to use WP:QS ^ The Restoration of the Ukrainian State in World War II. Published by Ukrainian Central Information Service, London 1987. ISBN 0-902322-35-4. – hardly to nominate as good editing especially when he return hoaxes of others Jo0doe ( talk) 09:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
It’s really sad to note what so many effort were given to put others in misconception – and not at all effort traced to fix some typing errors of others. Even in assistance in one correct translation were refused - [19]. As regards Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University – see his foreword to his recent published compilation of his old articles. Indeed interesting to see why sole editor nominate as POV presenting of two and more scholars opinions instead of exclusively Associate Professor of History, Northeastern University opinion from work which does not devoted specifically to article topic. As regards some actions by editor – again “ugly details” in article misrepresented as an “reprisal to closing schools” instead of large scale planned ethical cleaning perpetrated by specific formation and organization. Adding
Without mentioning author of claim and period about which claimed simply mislead visitors.
Again and again – see WP:UNDEW were in article should not be rewrite a majority view strictly from a minority (Blank Spot in the Collective Memory of the Ukrainian Diaspora ) view. So group of editors (united by Collective Memory )which did not like to see in article facts like
IMT Vol III p.21
SS and militia broke the windows, forced the doors with beams and crowbars and entered the houses… Women carried their dead children in their arms, children pulled and dragged their dead parents by their arms and legs down to the road… Again and again the cries “Open the door! Open the door! Echoed through ghetto.” On 2 June the 49 Mountaineer Corps took steps against the maltreatment of Jews by the local Ukrainians at Lemberg Vol XXI p.401 Affidavits 1602, 1603 and 1604
The Einsatzgruppen composed of members of the SD, SS, the Kripo, the Gestapo, the Order Police of emergency draftees and of indigenous forces. Vol XXI p.513
Becouse accordingly to adopted community myth prefer to recognize a myths – like O14-USSR documents – which matched “unique anti-Nazi resistance movement “ fringe theory. And in general refuse to acknowledge the existence of real IMT document - USSR-14 (IMT Vol XXI) in which actually placed a
Firstly good work on completing the Stormont constituencies. Secondly I wonder if you could consider semi-protecting the ETA article? It's being slow edit warred by IP editors who are adding terrorist in contravention of wp:words to avoid and the talkpage consensus that terrorist is mentioned in its proper place and attributed in an NPOV way. Thanks, Valenciano ( talk) 17:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Good job on creating these, however I noticed that some of the results are wrong - not your fault as the reason seems to be that the headline results on ark are wrong. On the 1989 page for example [20] the wrong results are the ones in the "results by party" section whereas the correct results (which are different) are in the "results by council" section(!) Anyway I've amended the 1989 results and will have a go at expanding the rest over the course of the next week. All the best, Valenciano ( talk) 20:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
— Politizer talk/ contribs 23:38, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Because if it's not there, inexperienced updaters will often create updates with no US hooks in them, leaving the next guy too many US hooks to get rid of. Or else they will use all US hooks themselves.
It was a recurring problem for DYK before that notice was put there, and since it's been there I've almost never had to change the mix. As it happens, we've been getting more foreign hooks lately, so it's not as much a problem as it was, but I still go to the suggestions page quite often and find that there's a bunch of US hooks accumulating. Gatoclass ( talk) 12:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Again my edits in article related to OUN-B and it secsessor Congress of Free Ukrainians removed my data under different spices. [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27]. Things are removed - a documented link between Nazi and OUN-B actions and "tail" of OUN-B secsessor. Could you please advice me a solution in this matter - does anyone can assist me in fixing some of my typo instead of blanking and replace correct Wiki link - new order in Europe and Moscovite with a to new order in Europe Moscovite - So at least this side of my edits will not be a Casus belli. Thank you again for your very usefull advice in the past Jo0doe ( talk) 16:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
reverting my edits and inserting hoaxes listed [33] can not be nominated as "active editors". "Nasty" - means historical facts from highly graded RS - [34] - lool like editors cooperative simply don't like to have a WP as a reliable source - better to hide out tha facts that genocide became the tool of Ukrainian nationalist dreams, laying the foundations for a prospective – and chimerical – Ukrainian state on the basis of conquest, subjugation and, ultimately, the annihilation of Ukraine’s principal enemies in eastern Ukraine – Jews and Poles. And similar other facts removed Jo0doe ( talk) 06:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for completing the list of former office-holders. Mooretwin ( talk) 09:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
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I think it's fine as it is. Gatoclass ( talk) 23:24, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Editor which was unable to comprehend my attempt to Communicate (see WP:TALK [37] A week ago familiarize me with [38] by [39] As far as I can see, this possible happened due the genuine dispute over the sources and contents – I’ve added at article talk page [40] [41] while mentioned book does not even mentioned such. – while respected scholars which studied the Soviet economy of 20-30s and published many works on that topic nominate the mentioned above book author as “He misuses sources, he twists everything” [42]. As far as added by me economical data related to the specific event now extensively removed from articles [43] [44] [45] [46] [47] [48] and soon will be removed from WP. I kindly ask you to advice me how long I should wait for specific explanation about my “largely of violations of WP:TALK and WP:SOAPBOX” as mentioned for a cause of indefinitely blocking . I also need you advice about historical article sources – should it be based on scholar works devoted to specific period or on the soap box speeches started from early 1980s and after recession - from 2000s – as supposed here [49]. Thank you Jo0doe ( talk) 07:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Simply lead to [50]
Despite this [55]
Almost all my edits was used in article. [56]
My desperate attempts to get a page numbers,RS sources and follow the WP:rules from virtually same cooperative of editors at articles Gleaning, UIA and 14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Galicia_(1st_Ukrainian) again has no results.
Unfortunatelly.. But it really sad to note a “double standards” and “soapbox charged” approach at some WP participants. So again thank you for your assistance in the past – it was really useful and really able to resolve many issues on articles with controversial topics.Thank you (Jo0Doe) 213.159.241.196 ( talk) 10:07, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice try with Austrian “officer approach” (put other in misconception by distort the matter of dispute) while my “hoax notes” (A hoax is a deliberate attempt to dupe, deceive or trick an audience into believing, or accepting, that something is real, when in fact it is not; or that something is true, when in fact it is false.) was related to edits [62] referenced through John A. Armstrong. (1963). Ukrainian Nationalism. New York: Columbia University Press, pp. 170-175 and
So actually what appeared now in article – indeed it was proven as true that almost all actually does not appeared at pages 170-175 of Armstrong, and there no Institute of History concluded that "the SS… Still I was unable to defend WP:reliablity on facts and figures [63] see page 60 of the book – and see my at least 3 desperate attempts to make WP as a reliable source. [64] [65]
So editor have book and have been warned to fix article text per scholar text – so no effort exist only game was placing around irrelevant to article topic UNDO) – while nice “facts” SS Division primary organizer was an UNDO – no Himmler no Alfred Rosenmberg – but UNDO officer – charming WP:Fringe and “unique gem” in WP:reliability crown . As regards Holodomor – see my concern - [66] and see recent – [67] – am this can be called a wp:TALK violation (and rest)? See the “perfect” collection of “famine-genocide” causes – Causes_of_the_Holodomor –which in fact completely contradict with Holodomor article. So adding an economical, demographical and statistical data in “English” WP called WP:TE – while using an SS members apocrypha with “Jewish Elements” for WP articles – it’s a ‘productive editors” way. So – I hope there is something wrong in approach. Jo0Doe 213.159.244.137 ( talk) 14:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Hello there! I hope all is well with you, particularly in the run-up to Christmas!
Just a couple of things:
1. Would you be able to create a new locator map for Greater Manchester, akin to Template:Location map United Kingdom Wiltshire, using this image as the background? It's for something I have have planned for the Portal:Greater Manchester as well as WP:GM. I would be very greatful.
2. I don't know if you're aware too, but its dawned on a few of us at WP:UKGEO that the 2009 structural changes to local government in England are set to play heck with some corners of WP. We've started Wikipedia:2009ENGLAND to try and organise things, but this could affect some of the locator maps you set up in 2007/08 for Template:Infobox UK place, and so I thought I'd best give you a nudge about this. Even since starting this message I've realised that the changes will change things like Template:EnglishDistrictPopulation too! Oh dear!
Again, hope you're well. -- Jza84 | Talk 03:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi! As a bureaucrat on Wikipedia, I'd very much appreciate it if you would fill in your details on the newly updated Bureaucrats page. Thanks! Majorly talk 14:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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I noticed you added a succession box to the page about Emrys Roberts showing him as President of the Liberal Party but the records I have consulted don't indicate he ever held that office. For the years 1963-64 the office holder was Lord Ogmore. I do not want to start altering these boxes without being sure I am right. What source did you use? Regards, -- Graham Lippiatt ( talk) 17:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)