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I've had a quick look at the article. It's currently being copyeditted, but its obviously no longer a stub. There are some superficial changes that would improve the look - for example tidying the references (you can point several references to a single line using the full < ref > syntax; the bibliography could be put in a separate section; consider the several redlinks - can they be resolved to a bluelink, or should they not be linked at all? In general we no longer link dates, though that remains a widely unimplemented policy. I will have another look ina few days and reassess if you like. welsh ( talk) 18:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper-I keep making suggestions in the discussion page, but I am reluctant to make any edits on the IBDP page because I am not familiar/comfortable with the protocol just yet. I noticed an error on the CAS section, where it says it needs to be completed within one year (but it should read two years). http://www.ibo.org/diploma/curriculum/core/cas/index.cfm "Students are expected to be involved in CAS activities for the equivalent of at least three hours each week during the two years of the programme." Can I go ahead and edit something like that or would you be willing to do it? Cheers La mome ( talk) 00:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper - I was wondering if you would gravitate back to the IB DIploma page. It's getting to the point where ObserverNY is getting way off track with not only editing but basic comprehension of the IB documents and responding to questions. The latest is that ObserverNY has taken offense at me using the phrase Weasel Words and has taking it personally that I am calling her/him a Weasel. I know we should support neophytes but I get the feeling that ObserverNY is either obtuse or being deliberately difficult. Let me know what you think. -- Candy ( talk) 16:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to you too for hanging around this pungent issue! The technical stuff is easy, finding consensus amongst the various viewpoints - woah! Ewen ( talk) 22:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! I am very happy that you are fixing my poor English. Keep up the excellent work! Just one minor comment: In the "church" section you replaced The Swiss father and composer Martin Schmid with The Swiss composer Martin Schmid. The word "father" here was supposed to refer to (Jesuit) missionary priest. Schmid, like many missionnary priests, had many "professions" (composer, architect, priest,...). To reduce him to a "composer" would go too far in my opinion. I'd rather say that he was a "father/missionary priest" since that was why he came to Chiquitania. Could you add back the proper English term ("father" or "missionary priest" or "Jesuit" or ...) as I am not sure which is best. bamse ( talk) 00:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
A quick question on your recent edit: Consequently the missionaries founded their settlements further and further east towards the Paraguay river, and those south of Asunción moved closer to the Paraguay river by establishing missions farther north and west, thereby avoiding the impassable Chaco region. Which motion to the west do you mean? To me it looks almost straight north up to Corumbá. Maybe the start of this sentence would be more clear as (added text in italics): "Consequently the missionarie from the Chiquitos missions founded their settlements..." bamse ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey! How's Alex Deleware going?-- Kojozone ( talk) 20:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I found and uploaded a nice map which shows the Chiquitanía in more detail including roads/trails. It is from 1789, so shortly after the expulsion of the Jesuits. However there are already three maps at the start of the article, so one should go out I guess. I'd like to keep the first (topographic) map since it is the most precise and modern of the maps. Which of the other two, the 1705 South America map or the 1732 Paraguay/Chiquitos map should be replaced? Or could we have four maps? bamse ( talk) 13:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I added "Fr." to the names of all the priests up to "The Jesuits in Chiquitanía had a secondary objective...". Now I am not sure if that is what you actually wanted as it looks a bit strange to me. Should the "Fr." be replaced by the word "priest" where it sounds better; like "...was founded in 1691 by the Jesuit Fr. José de Arce." -> "...was founded in 1691 by the Jesuit priest José de Arce." (but keep the "Fr." in sentences like: "...the missionaries Fr. Caballero and Fr. Hervás reestablished the mission..."?) Also is there something like "Frs." to write "...the missionaries Frs. Caballero and Hervás"? bamse ( talk) 16:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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For all the good work improving the IB articles' links, etc; while under heavy fire from all sides. Ewen ( talk) 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC) |
I asked a few members of the history wikiproject for comments on the reasons for the expulsion, but no reply yet. Also started to generate a small list of reasons with references. Feel free to add to it if I missed something. bamse ( talk) 23:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Perfect! The references seem to be fine. I think I've done all the copy-editing necessary for this article. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 17:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I saw your name over at the GOCE. Could you take a look at Fritz the Cat and see if it needs any work done? Thanks. ( Ibaranoff24 ( talk) 15:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC))
Sorry I've not got back sooner - recently I've not been online as much as normal. I did have a quick peek at the talk page, and there seemed to be a fair bit happening! I couldn't work out which part in particular you'd need a fresh opinion on (and there are plenty of parts where I'd be quite happy to avoid butting in!)
If you still think my opinion(s) would be helpful, let me know where in particular and I'll drop by.
Cheers, This flag once was red propaganda deeds 17:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I did IB a while ago YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Truthkeeper - I have no idea why you keep drawing this erroneous conclusion about Intelligent Design, but I assure you, that has absolutely nothing to do with the "war" between myself and the one or two editors from PA. It is, and always has been, about IB. They are pro, and yes, I am opposed to the program in American PUBLIC schools, but my purpose in attempting to contribute to the article is merely to have it presented without ANY POV, just the facts. I apologize for being new, you have to admit it would take weeks to read every single Wiki policy and feature. I resent being made the constant target by the other "camp" and really wish it would stop. Again, I am happy with the way the article stands right now and I would be interested in your opinion of the current status of the IBDP article as well. Thanks. ObserverNY ( talk) 01:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Hi User:Truthkeeper88,
I wanted to know if you could help me copyedit
The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) article.
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
19:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. Thanx! ATC . Talk 21:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I currently cannot edit the article, because I'm getting a bad connection, but the sentence where you switched in the "...Documentary cameras follow the band-members as they deal with adolescence encounterments..." to "...adolescence experiences" is already used in news articles and I don't want to copyright the same text, so could you change it back to encounterments. Also, when you said the first episode—I mean if you are referring to the first episode and not the pilot episode—I don't think its necessary, because the entire first season they were the same age. Thanx! ATC . Talk 15:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay thanx! But, encounterments is a real word; I don't have a problem with you rewording it though, although "experiences" I wouldn't recommend. Thank you for taking the time to looking it over. ATC . Talk 15:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh... I looked it up, I was thinking of "encounter" NOT "encounterment". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/encounter . I think I thought the add on was grammatically correct, I was wrong. ATC . Talk 21:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
12:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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The Copyeditor's Barnstar | |
For your persistent and diligent copyediting of Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos. bamse ( talk) 18:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
Sorry I've not got back sooner - recently I've not been online as much as normal. I did have a quick peek at the talk page, and there seemed to be a fair bit happening! I couldn't work out which part in particular you'd need a fresh opinion on (and there are plenty of parts where I'd be quite happy to avoid butting in!)
If you still think my opinion(s) would be helpful, let me know where in particular and I'll drop by.
Cheers, This flag once was red propaganda deeds 17:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I did IB a while ago YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Truthkeeper - I have no idea why you keep drawing this erroneous conclusion about Intelligent Design, but I assure you, that has absolutely nothing to do with the "war" between myself and the one or two editors from PA. It is, and always has been, about IB. They are pro, and yes, I am opposed to the program in American PUBLIC schools, but my purpose in attempting to contribute to the article is merely to have it presented without ANY POV, just the facts. I apologize for being new, you have to admit it would take weeks to read every single Wiki policy and feature. I resent being made the constant target by the other "camp" and really wish it would stop. Again, I am happy with the way the article stands right now and I would be interested in your opinion of the current status of the IBDP article as well. Thanks. ObserverNY ( talk) 01:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Hi Truthkeeper88,
I wanted to upload this photo
[4] from this newsmagazine
[5] for
The Naked Brothers Band television series section "Filming".
I also wanted to upload this photo
[6] from the same newsmagazine for
The Naked Brothers Band television series section "Editing".
I wanted to ask you first if it was
copyright infringement, as I don't want to create any of the sort.
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
02:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Do they have a fan club? Maybe you can get a photo from there? In the meantime I'll see if any other editors might know. On a separate subject -- I've rewritten the 1st paragraph from the Filming section and placed in my sandbox. Have a look. If you like it just copy it and replace the existing text in the article. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 13:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Very helpful. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 00:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the fix on the IBDP page.
On a different note, I'm also finding ObserverNY almost always assumes bad faith with me and really tries to be an obnoxious as possible. -- Candy ( talk) 05:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Re: this edit - no good deed goes unpunished! Enjoy your Wiki-break, and please come back soon - IBDP needs clear headed editors (I don't need to tell you that, but still...)
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 17:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
Thank you for all your help with the article.
One more thing, though; is their anything more you could do to "Additional cast" section?
Also do you think it is proper format to have all of the crew listed below, with a bit biography of their career: broadway credits, music score, television appearances, etc...?
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
00:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've snapped, and need somewhere quiet!
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 15:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
And here I thought "on-piste" was the UK version of "pissed off" ;-) ObserverNY ( talk) 19:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
TK88, I'm having a discussion with ObserverNY about the IBDP "History" section and also about an addition she made to the
IB_Group_3_subjects article. This discussion is taking place on my Talk page, bottom section. Would you mind checking it out and weighing in? I appreciate it. I just posted a similar note on TFOWR's Talk page. Regards,
CinchBug |
Talk
14:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The review has started. The first suggestion of the reviewer is to get rid of the embedded list in the lead, convert it to prose and have a "location" section. I am not sure what to add to the listed towns to make it prose as in Wikipedia:Embedded list. Also I cannot see where to put a "location" section. Do you have an idea how to deal with this? Another problem is the first map's placement which destroys the layout. I'd like to write more text in the lead which would solve this problem, but can't think of anything to add at the moment. Do you have a suggestion on topics? Thanks bamse ( talk) 06:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been brainstorming a bit and came up with the following ideas to expand the lead:
As for the embedded list, I am thinking of just writing: "They are San Javier, Concepcion,... and San Jose de Chiquitos." and moving the geo coordinates to one of the tables. It would make most sense in the founding table but might be confusing since the locations changed and the geocoordinates are for the last (most recent) location only. Please let me know what you think about these ideas or if you have any suggestions. bamse ( talk) 10:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The new edits look good. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 16:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi - when you moved my McKinsey funding edit which I properly cited at your request, you messed up the whole paragraph in the IBDP. Just thought I'd let you know. ObserverNY ( talk) 23:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Conversation moved here. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Re: this, I got three or four edit conflicts trying to post my most recent piece ;-) Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 14:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi! As you might have noticed User:Maunus completed the review of Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos. I started to modify the article according to his suggestions and moved the tables to separate list articles. Now I got stuck at criterion "Broad in coverage B". Maunus would like to have the names of the founding Jesuits removed as it is too detailed information. I am too much involved in the article and would rather put more info than remove some. How do you think about it? Should the founder names and/or years be removed? (In any case I'd move that info to the respective settlement articles, not to lose it completely.) bamse ( talk) 08:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I left you a message on TFOWR's talk page. While your editing on the IBDP page appeared to me to be a bit harsh and hyper-critical with a tad of POV thrown in, I was a newbie and you are much more knowledgeable in the ways of Wiki. I thought we were getting along well on the IB article. I kinda feel like the wife whose husband walks out on her after counseling! ;-) Stay. Please. ObserverNY ( talk) 20:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
No, don't unwatchlist my talk page!
Seriously, it sounds like you're busy in the real world, but still plan on hanging around when you can - which (a) sounds good, and (b) sounds realistic.
I hope you've picked up that Uncle G wasn't chastising you, but La Mome instead. UG clarified later, which was good.
Anyway, don't be a stranger!
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 23:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Not sure I understand the question? You can force the size of an image like this, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean, as that should be consistent across all browsers?
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 15:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
TK, I was looking at the recent addition to the Harlan Hanson article and I was thinking that the actual dollar amounts seem out of place there. While Hanson certainly played an important role in helping get IB started (and IBNA, from what I've been reading), his biggest contributions undoubtedly were with regards to AP. So, at least in the Hanson article, it seems like we're giving too much weight to information about his part in the development of IB--it's important, but I think that information, or at least some variation of it, could be properly included at the IB article itself. Does that make sense?
Let me know what you think. Regards, • Cinch Bug • 23:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the introduction. I don't own the Steven Erikson page, I just check new edits - mainly for typos etc. I think your edits to the article were pretty good, and these articles have a lot of potential so it is good to have another editor interested in them. I look forward to working with you, Alan16 ( talk) 12:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC).
Yeah, sorry for confusion caused. Hekerui ( talk) 23:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Echoing what CB said - really not your fault. Not a problem, either - it's good we're having this discussion (Tvor65 and me) - I don't think anything bad can come of it (I think Tvor65 is big enough and hard enough to "take it on the chin").
Anyway, all moot now as I'm logging off for the night! If I log in tomorrow and find Tvor65 has retired I'll be apologising to all concerned and most likely retiring too ;-)
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 23:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
(Hijacking TK's talk page - sorry TK!) Welcome back, ONY! Hadn't realised it was that time already. I guess that means it's time to start advertising archiving. TK, do you want to do the honours? You seem more of an archiving guru than me (frankly, anyone is probably more of an archiving guru than me...) Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 16:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi TFOWR - Thanks for the welcome back. I don't have a horse in the "archiving" race one way or the other - the whole thing seems like a massive diversionary tactic to me. ;-)
ObserverNY (
talk)
14:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
con gratulations - I have phttp://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Truthkeeper88&action=edit§ion=20assed Jesuit Mission of the Chiquitos as a Good Article! You did great work there and I will not be surprised to see the article as a future Featured Article. ·Maunus·ƛ· 01:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truth,
as far as copy-editing goes, we aren't tasked with improving or expanding articles. We simply correct the language used in the article. If you are also contributing to the articles you copy-edit, then that is great. :D Besides, variety is the spice of life, right? Anyone can edit articles, so the fact that you joined the copy-editors group does not stop you from totally rewriting an article from the ground up if the mood takes you. :D
-- James Chenery ( talk) 11:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I saw you were thinking about getting rid of the text boxes. I think they look good in the article - I'd keep them. Regards, Alan16 ( talk) 17:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC).
Hi Truthkeeper88! Nev1 made a comprehensive peer review of the Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos. Most of his comments concern content. Prose is mainly fine. If you don't mind, I would come back to you if I struggle with the few prose issues. For the time being I will work on content. bamse ( talk) 08:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see my comment at IBDP. Thanks. ObserverNY ( talk) 01:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Hi Truthkeeper88,
Thanx for all your hard work on
The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) article, I appreciate it.
Their is a problem though; in this interview
[7]; both the interviewer and the description is word-to-word, which is copyright infringement of the article on Wiki.
What should we do about this?
ATC .
Talk
03:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi ATC! Now that I have my wits back, I see what you mean. However, according to WP:COPYRIGHT I think there's not much to be done. We could reword the article if you'd like. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 14:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Their is another Wiki policy; for more info, I've been speaking to User:C.Fred on the article's talk page. I would prefer for the three of us to continue their. Thanx! ATC . Talk 01:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the clean up on the IB pages, especially Group 2! There are some things that I just have no idea how to do! La mome ( talk) 00:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Ref for Mayer piece is xii (preface) from the hardcopy of the Peterson book--second edition. I think that may be part of the problem as the other references are from google books, yes? No sure, just guessing. Thanks again for your help! La mome ( talk) 01:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper. Thanks for your support in my recent RfA. I will do my very best not to betray the confidence you have shown me. If you ever have any questions or suggestions about my conduct as an administrator or as an editor please don't hesitate to contact me. Once again, thanks. ·Maunus·ƛ· 13:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry to see the firestorm of comments over at Otomi language and understand your frustration. If it were me, I wouldn't substantially change the content, as, in my view, the content is integral to the article as a whole. As for the prose, the changes really were very mild and easy to make. I think you've contributed a nice article here on wikipedia and you should have some sense of accomplishment for doing so. It's interesting to me that so many people quickly became involved, and some had such negative comments. I'd be upset as well if it were my article. Anyway, just wanted to let you know, and I think it reads better now than before. If you don't mind I might tweak the prose on some of your other articles, simply, because I for one, enjoy reading your topics. Take care. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 21:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88, thank you for all of your hard work on the article. I really appreciate it. And I will give you a shout out if I need any help. The best... :) ATC . Talk 15:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Please drop by when you have a moment. Thanks La mome ( talk) 15:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your vote of confidence. I came back to editing. I thought it was going somewhere and in the end it isn't. It's a lot of tendentious editing and simply annoying. I feel (probably like you do) that it's a very unhealthy environment.
Constant changes to the talk pages so that it feels like a chat room (this isn't normal). Drama queen behaviour (this isn't normal). Paranoia -accusations of editors/organisations being a gang or plotting against an editor (this isn't normal) and finally riding close to the wind by being consistently sarcastic and insensitive. TBH I gave it a go but the lack of good faith but tit for tat whenever I have suggested inappropriate behaviour, cherry-picking of information, inconsiderateness, incivility and selective quoting (including a lack of good faith when I wrote something ambiguously) just wastes my time.
I'll stay on other pages and just watch this one. I'm sadly confident that someone has been given enough rope ...
If we don't meet here again I hope we meet again on a more normal page ... thanks again -- Candy ( talk) 00:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi TK. yes I keep on getting sucked in. It's good advice to unwatch. Thnaks.
Now it appears that ObserverNY is leaving the pages and has given up with editing???
It's annoying as I';ve been on and off these pages for a few years now.. However, when I was away I had some time to read some discussions but only half-heartedly.
I haven't really been following the country thing. One has to ask what benefit a table of countries would be? I don't feel it has a place either as a table, list or map. Wouldn't it just be a duplication of wahat's on the IB website (or a troll of schools running the IBDP from the web).
If it's about recognition that becomes very difficult to source and find information for. It also leads to a lot of speculation, the need for "official" government policy (which often doesn't exist) or simply using the few secondary sources about tertiary education placement to be typical of tertiary education as a whole in that country. I hope that makes sense. I guess we would end up cherry-picking as there would be so few cherries around? Regards -- Candy ( talk) 05:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! I just noticed you as a copyeditor at Otomi language. While I hope that Mongolian language is in a somewhat better shape in this respect, it failed to gain FA status notably due to concerns related to copyediting. As a non-native, I cannot contribute more in this respect than I have done, so if you enjoy copyediting language articles I would be glad to meet you at Mongolian language! G Purevdorj ( talk) 21:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- (1) I gathered from the GOCE page that the Guild is just Wikipedians who are particularly committed to doing copyediting. I saw no explanation of why only members of the Guild should do copy editing when the tag is posted. Indeed, there was no explanation of what the point of the tag is (e.g., to get people to postpone content editing).
- (2) When you made the strongly ungrammatical change of "Variants of Otomi are" to "Variants of Otomi is", was that just a hasty oversight, or was it intentional? Makes you seem like not a native speaker, and one of the major motivations for rallying extra copy editing attention to this particular article is that the person responsible for enlarging it is a Dane.
- - (3) I'm not just an astute copy editor, I'm a specialist in linguistics. Two of the changes I just made, citing factual correction, were to a sentence that *I* added in the last day and a half or so. Dale Chock ( talk) 22:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reason to keep the copyedit template on the Narragansett Council article? It seems to me that the article may lack some references, but the writing is just fine now. I removed a comma from the lede. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, if it ever stops I can create a sock puppet. This will avoid us becoming relaxed and sloppy ;-) oops unsigned previously - twas me below -->>
I really, really feel I know why you deleted the history section. Could I ask you to consider reverting it please? -- Candy ( talk) 22:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the present! Cheers! La mome ( talk) 00:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Responding here so as not to monopolize Ewen's talk page. I especially appreciated this part: "By 2007, The Economist had declared that "a good rule in most discussions is that the first person to call the other a Nazi automatically loses the argument." And in October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say 'Godwin's Law' and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."" Thanks for helping me gain perspective. La mome ( talk) 20:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
TK - I left you a message here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ewen#Controversy_at_IB_Diploma_Programme ObserverNY ( talk) 23:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Yes, I think they're out of print. When I tried to buy my copies I searched everywhere and ended up having to buy second hand. I had a quick look at the stuff you added (and linked This River Awakens + changed a word for fluency) and I think it's a really good addition: it's clear/concise/true and it adds some bulk to that section, which it was lacking before. Regards, Alan16 ( talk) 12:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC).
Hi Truthkeeper,
Could you please visit my talk page, read and comment on my recent section about the IB Diploma Programme.
Many thanks, -- Candy ( talk) 21:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Aw, c'mon; won't you re-accept the award? The only one I've ever given and it gets deleted... 8-)
You've done nothing to dishonour it!
Ewen ( talk) 20:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Responded to your query regarding images on my talk page. Litho derm 14:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
In the
"Filming" section for The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie I wrote a sentence that dosn't look right, but I don't know how to revise it.
This is the sentence:
Draper explains that in order to film the movie, "We would sneak into locations and run."
Do you think the sentence is fine or does it need revising?
Also in the "Filming" section do you think that this sentence:
The majority of the cast were friends and relatives of the Draper-Wolff family.
Should be revised to:
The majority of the cast were friends and relatives of the Draper-Wolff family (and/or) clan.
What do you think?
Otherwise than that did you detect any more copyediting that needs to be done for FAC, because I don't think their is much more than that and you did a great job.
When you finish helping me, I will be giving you a barnstar for your time, effort, and all of your hard work.
Thanx and happy editing!
ATC .
Talk
21:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Just had to take care of something, but am back now. Here are my recommendations:
That's it. Otherwise it looks good. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 00:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure for #1 do what ever you need to do. For #2, I guess you are right, though the majority was written by Nat so it probally should be revised. For #3 I put that because I wanted to explain how it was Albie Hecht who made the film known and developed the series—that's why I wanted to mention him a little bit in the article, since his production company distributed the film once Nickelodeon co-opted it. I think that should stay, what do you think? Should the article just stay consistant about the film? ATC . Talk 00:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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The Copyeditor's Barnstar | |
I award this barnstar to User:Truthkeeper88 for this editor's trumendous help for prose and WP:MOS on The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie article, as it will be going through a FAC nomination this week. In addition to this user's mild changes to the The Naked Brothers Band TV series article. ATC . Talk 03:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC) |
Thanks ATC!! Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Eubulides left a comment on FAC nominatation for the film at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie/archive3. I don't know what to rewrite in the caption for the image, since examples I see only describe film posters. Thanx! ATC . Talk 15:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanx! ATC . Talk 05:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
( edit conflict)I'll check Safari at work tomorrow (oops about the right-click, by the way, I'd forgotten I'd configured my mighty mouse to do right-clicks to ease the Monday-morning Linux-OS X transition...) Firefox on Macs, I'm fairly sure has properties where I described - Firefox is fairly consistent across platforms. Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 20:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! Can you help again? It's a completely different topic this time (Japanese sculpture) but much less text than for the Jesuit missions. I am trying to get List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) up to featured list quality. For this, the list should have "professional standards of writing" and the lead should be engaging and introduce the subject, scope and inclusion criteria. On request I expanded the lead but am not sure if it is a good lead. I tried a historical introduction to Japanese sculpture but feel that the lead is not really connected to the list/table. Do you have the same feeling and/or suggestions/comments on how to improve the lead? Would be great to get some feedback on the list. bamse ( talk) 22:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Based on the sources, the first sentence might be recast to indicate the history of the preservation movement in general, and how it specifically applies to the sculptures. I need to spend a little time reading the sources to learn about the subject, so as to rewrite that sentence with any sort of accuracy. Alternately, you might rewrite and I can fix if a little rough. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am happy to assure you that I did not even imagine that you were the user that caused me annoyance this week. The post that annoyed me occurred 14 Sept, which is after you left that article. I have posted about this in reply to your protestation at Talk:Otomi_language#Proto-Otomi. I hope this gives you a little more peace of mind. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Still no word from the Flickr user on the photo of Hemingway's grave. To be honest, this is the first time I've had no reply whatsoever, and I believe it's because the account is registered to a company ( Mountain Khakis) rather than an individual. I wouldn't hold out hope. Sorry about that. Litho derm 20:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88!
I was wondering, since a user from FAC, have been editing a little bit in the lead for
The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie.
The user said to avoid repetition.
I've done more myself, what do you think?
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
16:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) has been promoted to featured list! Thanks for the copyediting of the lead section. PS: Not sure why you have it under "Articles I'm currently working on:" on your user page. bamse ( talk) 07:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I was curious (and brave), so I nominated Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos at WP:FAC. bamse ( talk) 09:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Here's the reply to my query re: the Lippy book and the History section. A couple of solutions come to mind: 1.) if the comments are general comments, then cite the chapter from which they came in Lippy's book, if that would be acceptable; 2.) find other sources for verification (I think I did read something about the reductions in Bolivia being characterisitic for not imposing European culture more than elsewhere, but will have to find that source again); 3.) delete the section and bring the article back to the state it was in before the GAR, w/out the history section. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 17:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
I was wondering, since I added a little more information in the filming section I was wondering if you could do a
minor copyedit to it.
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
00:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! I've been editing Central Morocco Tamazight somewhat recently, and I feel like it could use another look over, especially the sections after "Orthography". I'm still somewhat unsure as to what needs to be done to improve its status, other than figuring out the origins of the Latin orthography. Mo-Al ( talk) 03:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The sandbox is here. You've already seen the first 3 versions. Version 4 is simply a renamed version 3. Version 5 has the plot and characters in separate paragraphs. It still needs copyediting and cleanup, but I don't have time tonight. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 23:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! Unfortunately the Jesuit Missions did not make it for FA despite of your good work. I'll let them rest for a while and maybe get back to them later, when I have access to better sources. Since you did a good job with the featured List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures), I wonder if you could have a look over the lead section (and "Statistics" and "Usage") of the similarly designed List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings). No need to rush and feel free to ask questions if anything is unclear. bamse ( talk) 20:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
This might be helpful for the copyediting. bamse ( talk) 23:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Juliancolton | Talk 03:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
I wanted to know if you could follow Ruhrfisch advice with the alt text for the lead image -
[11].
Also do you think there is anything else that needs to be fixed in the article, as Ruhrfisch said it needed a lot more copyediting?
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
00:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings) received the first comments here. I replied to 3,4,5,6. 1. and 2. concern the lead text and still need to be addressed. Can you help with it? I'll reread the lead section now and see if I can make sense of the first comment. bamse ( talk) 11:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Fixed a typo (sujects->sujets) in the lead. Other than what is mentioned in the second comment ("With the rise of" and "With the evolution") I don't see a problem. bamse ( talk) 11:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
When you have spare time, since I know you have a lot on your plate at the moment, I was wondering if you could help me revise the paragraph below, that I rearranged in the right order and added a little bit more to in the plot section, as stated below (I did not save this yet, since I want it to have good grammar):
Brothers Nat and Alex, aged nine and six respectively, are members of a fictional band called The Silver Boulders. Cameras follow the band members through their personal lives, and when they notice them at those times, they shout at the cameraman, in order to have their privacy. Their popularity is the result of having been signed to a record contract—on music executive John B. Williams' label Who's the Man Records. The film begins with Nat and Alex giving an introduction to their
documentary film and then there is a limo shown driving on a bridge in
New York City. Inside the limo their is an enthusiastic girl-fan, who gets overly excited after she wins "Today's Big Win Question" on the radio, in which she receives two-free tickets at the group's upcoming concert. That show took place in the
Hammerstein Ballroom in which the band performs "Motormouth". After the show, they talk to the audience about starting the band. Then a clip is playing from the video "Crazy Car".
ATC .
Talk
01:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanx! Also, with your suggestions for the paraphrases, these are the ones that you can revise (when you get the chance, of course):
And in 2007 Draper explained to the New York Times: "Nat decided he wanted to film his own sitcom, so we did a film called Don’t Eat Off My Plate...I pretended to interview his friends and do a documentary.''
As Draper recalls:
"Julianne (Moore) was the first one to shoot a scene in it. She had to go away to do a real movie. I said, 'If you were in it, it would lend some credibility to the idea that Nat is a star. Can you do it Thursday?' And she said yes! We found this building and put a couple chairs in it, and made it like the backstage of a talk show, really funky—like New York talk show green rooms really are. She and Nat both did it in one take. He was surprisingly great. I thought, 'Wow!' He's really good at this acting thing."—Polly Draper[12]
Let me know if you think any others should be corrected, and I'll try to find more. ATC . Talk 21:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Michael Wolff explains that "...We made this film and we had never had any thought of it being a television show. We just made it to be a film. We had an agent who thought, 'Oh we're going to get a ton of money...' we did all this market research and it tested as high as Shrek with kids and they come out singing, 'Cray-ay-ay-ay-ay-zy Car.'"
And I'm deleting this, as it is redundant to the other quote by Albie Hecht:
Hecht recalls in People magazine, "I could see there was an audience for this. They're real kids, real brothers, making real music."[29]
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
01:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, no problem. When you get the chance, I've found a couple of more quotations that you can paraphrase:
Releases and debuts:
Hecht explained that he had an independent production deal with Nickelodeon and told them, "You know this kind of film has to be on Nickelodeon. We should do a television show."
Development:
Their father Michael Wolff explains: "My oldest son [Nat] is just an amazing singer-songwriter; amazing pianist. When he was about four or five years old, he just started playing. He learned all the major and minor chords on the piano. I said, 'How did you learn them?' He said, 'Dad, they’re right here.' I said, 'What are those chords?' He said, 'These are my proud chords.' And he could just do it."[7]
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
22:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
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I've had a quick look at the article. It's currently being copyeditted, but its obviously no longer a stub. There are some superficial changes that would improve the look - for example tidying the references (you can point several references to a single line using the full < ref > syntax; the bibliography could be put in a separate section; consider the several redlinks - can they be resolved to a bluelink, or should they not be linked at all? In general we no longer link dates, though that remains a widely unimplemented policy. I will have another look ina few days and reassess if you like. welsh ( talk) 18:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper-I keep making suggestions in the discussion page, but I am reluctant to make any edits on the IBDP page because I am not familiar/comfortable with the protocol just yet. I noticed an error on the CAS section, where it says it needs to be completed within one year (but it should read two years). http://www.ibo.org/diploma/curriculum/core/cas/index.cfm "Students are expected to be involved in CAS activities for the equivalent of at least three hours each week during the two years of the programme." Can I go ahead and edit something like that or would you be willing to do it? Cheers La mome ( talk) 00:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper - I was wondering if you would gravitate back to the IB DIploma page. It's getting to the point where ObserverNY is getting way off track with not only editing but basic comprehension of the IB documents and responding to questions. The latest is that ObserverNY has taken offense at me using the phrase Weasel Words and has taking it personally that I am calling her/him a Weasel. I know we should support neophytes but I get the feeling that ObserverNY is either obtuse or being deliberately difficult. Let me know what you think. -- Candy ( talk) 16:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks to you too for hanging around this pungent issue! The technical stuff is easy, finding consensus amongst the various viewpoints - woah! Ewen ( talk) 22:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! I am very happy that you are fixing my poor English. Keep up the excellent work! Just one minor comment: In the "church" section you replaced The Swiss father and composer Martin Schmid with The Swiss composer Martin Schmid. The word "father" here was supposed to refer to (Jesuit) missionary priest. Schmid, like many missionnary priests, had many "professions" (composer, architect, priest,...). To reduce him to a "composer" would go too far in my opinion. I'd rather say that he was a "father/missionary priest" since that was why he came to Chiquitania. Could you add back the proper English term ("father" or "missionary priest" or "Jesuit" or ...) as I am not sure which is best. bamse ( talk) 00:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
A quick question on your recent edit: Consequently the missionaries founded their settlements further and further east towards the Paraguay river, and those south of Asunción moved closer to the Paraguay river by establishing missions farther north and west, thereby avoiding the impassable Chaco region. Which motion to the west do you mean? To me it looks almost straight north up to Corumbá. Maybe the start of this sentence would be more clear as (added text in italics): "Consequently the missionarie from the Chiquitos missions founded their settlements..." bamse ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey! How's Alex Deleware going?-- Kojozone ( talk) 20:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi! I found and uploaded a nice map which shows the Chiquitanía in more detail including roads/trails. It is from 1789, so shortly after the expulsion of the Jesuits. However there are already three maps at the start of the article, so one should go out I guess. I'd like to keep the first (topographic) map since it is the most precise and modern of the maps. Which of the other two, the 1705 South America map or the 1732 Paraguay/Chiquitos map should be replaced? Or could we have four maps? bamse ( talk) 13:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I added "Fr." to the names of all the priests up to "The Jesuits in Chiquitanía had a secondary objective...". Now I am not sure if that is what you actually wanted as it looks a bit strange to me. Should the "Fr." be replaced by the word "priest" where it sounds better; like "...was founded in 1691 by the Jesuit Fr. José de Arce." -> "...was founded in 1691 by the Jesuit priest José de Arce." (but keep the "Fr." in sentences like: "...the missionaries Fr. Caballero and Fr. Hervás reestablished the mission..."?) Also is there something like "Frs." to write "...the missionaries Frs. Caballero and Hervás"? bamse ( talk) 16:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
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The Minor Barnstar | |
For all the good work improving the IB articles' links, etc; while under heavy fire from all sides. Ewen ( talk) 21:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC) |
I asked a few members of the history wikiproject for comments on the reasons for the expulsion, but no reply yet. Also started to generate a small list of reasons with references. Feel free to add to it if I missed something. bamse ( talk) 23:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Perfect! The references seem to be fine. I think I've done all the copy-editing necessary for this article. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 17:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. I saw your name over at the GOCE. Could you take a look at Fritz the Cat and see if it needs any work done? Thanks. ( Ibaranoff24 ( talk) 15:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC))
Sorry I've not got back sooner - recently I've not been online as much as normal. I did have a quick peek at the talk page, and there seemed to be a fair bit happening! I couldn't work out which part in particular you'd need a fresh opinion on (and there are plenty of parts where I'd be quite happy to avoid butting in!)
If you still think my opinion(s) would be helpful, let me know where in particular and I'll drop by.
Cheers, This flag once was red propaganda deeds 17:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I did IB a while ago YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Truthkeeper - I have no idea why you keep drawing this erroneous conclusion about Intelligent Design, but I assure you, that has absolutely nothing to do with the "war" between myself and the one or two editors from PA. It is, and always has been, about IB. They are pro, and yes, I am opposed to the program in American PUBLIC schools, but my purpose in attempting to contribute to the article is merely to have it presented without ANY POV, just the facts. I apologize for being new, you have to admit it would take weeks to read every single Wiki policy and feature. I resent being made the constant target by the other "camp" and really wish it would stop. Again, I am happy with the way the article stands right now and I would be interested in your opinion of the current status of the IBDP article as well. Thanks. ObserverNY ( talk) 01:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Hi User:Truthkeeper88,
I wanted to know if you could help me copyedit
The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) article.
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
19:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem. Thanx! ATC . Talk 21:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I currently cannot edit the article, because I'm getting a bad connection, but the sentence where you switched in the "...Documentary cameras follow the band-members as they deal with adolescence encounterments..." to "...adolescence experiences" is already used in news articles and I don't want to copyright the same text, so could you change it back to encounterments. Also, when you said the first episode—I mean if you are referring to the first episode and not the pilot episode—I don't think its necessary, because the entire first season they were the same age. Thanx! ATC . Talk 15:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay thanx! But, encounterments is a real word; I don't have a problem with you rewording it though, although "experiences" I wouldn't recommend. Thank you for taking the time to looking it over. ATC . Talk 15:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh... I looked it up, I was thinking of "encounter" NOT "encounterment". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/encounter . I think I thought the add on was grammatically correct, I was wrong. ATC . Talk 21:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
12:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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The Copyeditor's Barnstar | |
For your persistent and diligent copyediting of Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos. bamse ( talk) 18:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
Sorry I've not got back sooner - recently I've not been online as much as normal. I did have a quick peek at the talk page, and there seemed to be a fair bit happening! I couldn't work out which part in particular you'd need a fresh opinion on (and there are plenty of parts where I'd be quite happy to avoid butting in!)
If you still think my opinion(s) would be helpful, let me know where in particular and I'll drop by.
Cheers, This flag once was red propaganda deeds 17:00, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I did IB a while ago YellowMonkey ( cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 02:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Truthkeeper - I have no idea why you keep drawing this erroneous conclusion about Intelligent Design, but I assure you, that has absolutely nothing to do with the "war" between myself and the one or two editors from PA. It is, and always has been, about IB. They are pro, and yes, I am opposed to the program in American PUBLIC schools, but my purpose in attempting to contribute to the article is merely to have it presented without ANY POV, just the facts. I apologize for being new, you have to admit it would take weeks to read every single Wiki policy and feature. I resent being made the constant target by the other "camp" and really wish it would stop. Again, I am happy with the way the article stands right now and I would be interested in your opinion of the current status of the IBDP article as well. Thanks. ObserverNY ( talk) 01:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Hi Truthkeeper88,
I wanted to upload this photo
[4] from this newsmagazine
[5] for
The Naked Brothers Band television series section "Filming".
I also wanted to upload this photo
[6] from the same newsmagazine for
The Naked Brothers Band television series section "Editing".
I wanted to ask you first if it was
copyright infringement, as I don't want to create any of the sort.
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
02:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Do they have a fan club? Maybe you can get a photo from there? In the meantime I'll see if any other editors might know. On a separate subject -- I've rewritten the 1st paragraph from the Filming section and placed in my sandbox. Have a look. If you like it just copy it and replace the existing text in the article. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 13:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Very helpful. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 00:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the fix on the IBDP page.
On a different note, I'm also finding ObserverNY almost always assumes bad faith with me and really tries to be an obnoxious as possible. -- Candy ( talk) 05:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Re: this edit - no good deed goes unpunished! Enjoy your Wiki-break, and please come back soon - IBDP needs clear headed editors (I don't need to tell you that, but still...)
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 17:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
Thank you for all your help with the article.
One more thing, though; is their anything more you could do to "Additional cast" section?
Also do you think it is proper format to have all of the crew listed below, with a bit biography of their career: broadway credits, music score, television appearances, etc...?
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
00:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've snapped, and need somewhere quiet!
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 15:36, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
And here I thought "on-piste" was the UK version of "pissed off" ;-) ObserverNY ( talk) 19:41, 1 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
TK88, I'm having a discussion with ObserverNY about the IBDP "History" section and also about an addition she made to the
IB_Group_3_subjects article. This discussion is taking place on my Talk page, bottom section. Would you mind checking it out and weighing in? I appreciate it. I just posted a similar note on TFOWR's Talk page. Regards,
CinchBug |
Talk
14:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The review has started. The first suggestion of the reviewer is to get rid of the embedded list in the lead, convert it to prose and have a "location" section. I am not sure what to add to the listed towns to make it prose as in Wikipedia:Embedded list. Also I cannot see where to put a "location" section. Do you have an idea how to deal with this? Another problem is the first map's placement which destroys the layout. I'd like to write more text in the lead which would solve this problem, but can't think of anything to add at the moment. Do you have a suggestion on topics? Thanks bamse ( talk) 06:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I've been brainstorming a bit and came up with the following ideas to expand the lead:
As for the embedded list, I am thinking of just writing: "They are San Javier, Concepcion,... and San Jose de Chiquitos." and moving the geo coordinates to one of the tables. It would make most sense in the founding table but might be confusing since the locations changed and the geocoordinates are for the last (most recent) location only. Please let me know what you think about these ideas or if you have any suggestions. bamse ( talk) 10:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The new edits look good. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 16:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi - when you moved my McKinsey funding edit which I properly cited at your request, you messed up the whole paragraph in the IBDP. Just thought I'd let you know. ObserverNY ( talk) 23:39, 13 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Conversation moved here. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 13:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Re: this, I got three or four edit conflicts trying to post my most recent piece ;-) Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 14:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi! As you might have noticed User:Maunus completed the review of Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos. I started to modify the article according to his suggestions and moved the tables to separate list articles. Now I got stuck at criterion "Broad in coverage B". Maunus would like to have the names of the founding Jesuits removed as it is too detailed information. I am too much involved in the article and would rather put more info than remove some. How do you think about it? Should the founder names and/or years be removed? (In any case I'd move that info to the respective settlement articles, not to lose it completely.) bamse ( talk) 08:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I left you a message on TFOWR's talk page. While your editing on the IBDP page appeared to me to be a bit harsh and hyper-critical with a tad of POV thrown in, I was a newbie and you are much more knowledgeable in the ways of Wiki. I thought we were getting along well on the IB article. I kinda feel like the wife whose husband walks out on her after counseling! ;-) Stay. Please. ObserverNY ( talk) 20:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
No, don't unwatchlist my talk page!
Seriously, it sounds like you're busy in the real world, but still plan on hanging around when you can - which (a) sounds good, and (b) sounds realistic.
I hope you've picked up that Uncle G wasn't chastising you, but La Mome instead. UG clarified later, which was good.
Anyway, don't be a stranger!
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 23:00, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Not sure I understand the question? You can force the size of an image like this, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean, as that should be consistent across all browsers?
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 15:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
TK, I was looking at the recent addition to the Harlan Hanson article and I was thinking that the actual dollar amounts seem out of place there. While Hanson certainly played an important role in helping get IB started (and IBNA, from what I've been reading), his biggest contributions undoubtedly were with regards to AP. So, at least in the Hanson article, it seems like we're giving too much weight to information about his part in the development of IB--it's important, but I think that information, or at least some variation of it, could be properly included at the IB article itself. Does that make sense?
Let me know what you think. Regards, • Cinch Bug • 23:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the introduction. I don't own the Steven Erikson page, I just check new edits - mainly for typos etc. I think your edits to the article were pretty good, and these articles have a lot of potential so it is good to have another editor interested in them. I look forward to working with you, Alan16 ( talk) 12:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC).
Yeah, sorry for confusion caused. Hekerui ( talk) 23:39, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Echoing what CB said - really not your fault. Not a problem, either - it's good we're having this discussion (Tvor65 and me) - I don't think anything bad can come of it (I think Tvor65 is big enough and hard enough to "take it on the chin").
Anyway, all moot now as I'm logging off for the night! If I log in tomorrow and find Tvor65 has retired I'll be apologising to all concerned and most likely retiring too ;-)
Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 23:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
(Hijacking TK's talk page - sorry TK!) Welcome back, ONY! Hadn't realised it was that time already. I guess that means it's time to start advertising archiving. TK, do you want to do the honours? You seem more of an archiving guru than me (frankly, anyone is probably more of an archiving guru than me...) Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 16:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi TFOWR - Thanks for the welcome back. I don't have a horse in the "archiving" race one way or the other - the whole thing seems like a massive diversionary tactic to me. ;-)
ObserverNY (
talk)
14:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
con gratulations - I have phttp://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Truthkeeper88&action=edit§ion=20assed Jesuit Mission of the Chiquitos as a Good Article! You did great work there and I will not be surprised to see the article as a future Featured Article. ·Maunus·ƛ· 01:44, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truth,
as far as copy-editing goes, we aren't tasked with improving or expanding articles. We simply correct the language used in the article. If you are also contributing to the articles you copy-edit, then that is great. :D Besides, variety is the spice of life, right? Anyone can edit articles, so the fact that you joined the copy-editors group does not stop you from totally rewriting an article from the ground up if the mood takes you. :D
-- James Chenery ( talk) 11:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi - I saw you were thinking about getting rid of the text boxes. I think they look good in the article - I'd keep them. Regards, Alan16 ( talk) 17:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC).
Hi Truthkeeper88! Nev1 made a comprehensive peer review of the Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos. Most of his comments concern content. Prose is mainly fine. If you don't mind, I would come back to you if I struggle with the few prose issues. For the time being I will work on content. bamse ( talk) 08:32, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see my comment at IBDP. Thanks. ObserverNY ( talk) 01:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Hi Truthkeeper88,
Thanx for all your hard work on
The Naked Brothers Band (TV series) article, I appreciate it.
Their is a problem though; in this interview
[7]; both the interviewer and the description is word-to-word, which is copyright infringement of the article on Wiki.
What should we do about this?
ATC .
Talk
03:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi ATC! Now that I have my wits back, I see what you mean. However, according to WP:COPYRIGHT I think there's not much to be done. We could reword the article if you'd like. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 14:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Their is another Wiki policy; for more info, I've been speaking to User:C.Fred on the article's talk page. I would prefer for the three of us to continue their. Thanx! ATC . Talk 01:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the clean up on the IB pages, especially Group 2! There are some things that I just have no idea how to do! La mome ( talk) 00:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Ref for Mayer piece is xii (preface) from the hardcopy of the Peterson book--second edition. I think that may be part of the problem as the other references are from google books, yes? No sure, just guessing. Thanks again for your help! La mome ( talk) 01:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper. Thanks for your support in my recent RfA. I will do my very best not to betray the confidence you have shown me. If you ever have any questions or suggestions about my conduct as an administrator or as an editor please don't hesitate to contact me. Once again, thanks. ·Maunus·ƛ· 13:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry to see the firestorm of comments over at Otomi language and understand your frustration. If it were me, I wouldn't substantially change the content, as, in my view, the content is integral to the article as a whole. As for the prose, the changes really were very mild and easy to make. I think you've contributed a nice article here on wikipedia and you should have some sense of accomplishment for doing so. It's interesting to me that so many people quickly became involved, and some had such negative comments. I'd be upset as well if it were my article. Anyway, just wanted to let you know, and I think it reads better now than before. If you don't mind I might tweak the prose on some of your other articles, simply, because I for one, enjoy reading your topics. Take care. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 21:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88, thank you for all of your hard work on the article. I really appreciate it. And I will give you a shout out if I need any help. The best... :) ATC . Talk 15:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Please drop by when you have a moment. Thanks La mome ( talk) 15:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your vote of confidence. I came back to editing. I thought it was going somewhere and in the end it isn't. It's a lot of tendentious editing and simply annoying. I feel (probably like you do) that it's a very unhealthy environment.
Constant changes to the talk pages so that it feels like a chat room (this isn't normal). Drama queen behaviour (this isn't normal). Paranoia -accusations of editors/organisations being a gang or plotting against an editor (this isn't normal) and finally riding close to the wind by being consistently sarcastic and insensitive. TBH I gave it a go but the lack of good faith but tit for tat whenever I have suggested inappropriate behaviour, cherry-picking of information, inconsiderateness, incivility and selective quoting (including a lack of good faith when I wrote something ambiguously) just wastes my time.
I'll stay on other pages and just watch this one. I'm sadly confident that someone has been given enough rope ...
If we don't meet here again I hope we meet again on a more normal page ... thanks again -- Candy ( talk) 00:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi TK. yes I keep on getting sucked in. It's good advice to unwatch. Thnaks.
Now it appears that ObserverNY is leaving the pages and has given up with editing???
It's annoying as I';ve been on and off these pages for a few years now.. However, when I was away I had some time to read some discussions but only half-heartedly.
I haven't really been following the country thing. One has to ask what benefit a table of countries would be? I don't feel it has a place either as a table, list or map. Wouldn't it just be a duplication of wahat's on the IB website (or a troll of schools running the IBDP from the web).
If it's about recognition that becomes very difficult to source and find information for. It also leads to a lot of speculation, the need for "official" government policy (which often doesn't exist) or simply using the few secondary sources about tertiary education placement to be typical of tertiary education as a whole in that country. I hope that makes sense. I guess we would end up cherry-picking as there would be so few cherries around? Regards -- Candy ( talk) 05:13, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! I just noticed you as a copyeditor at Otomi language. While I hope that Mongolian language is in a somewhat better shape in this respect, it failed to gain FA status notably due to concerns related to copyediting. As a non-native, I cannot contribute more in this respect than I have done, so if you enjoy copyediting language articles I would be glad to meet you at Mongolian language! G Purevdorj ( talk) 21:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- (1) I gathered from the GOCE page that the Guild is just Wikipedians who are particularly committed to doing copyediting. I saw no explanation of why only members of the Guild should do copy editing when the tag is posted. Indeed, there was no explanation of what the point of the tag is (e.g., to get people to postpone content editing).
- (2) When you made the strongly ungrammatical change of "Variants of Otomi are" to "Variants of Otomi is", was that just a hasty oversight, or was it intentional? Makes you seem like not a native speaker, and one of the major motivations for rallying extra copy editing attention to this particular article is that the person responsible for enlarging it is a Dane.
- - (3) I'm not just an astute copy editor, I'm a specialist in linguistics. Two of the changes I just made, citing factual correction, were to a sentence that *I* added in the last day and a half or so. Dale Chock ( talk) 22:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Is there any reason to keep the copyedit template on the Narragansett Council article? It seems to me that the article may lack some references, but the writing is just fine now. I removed a comma from the lede. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, if it ever stops I can create a sock puppet. This will avoid us becoming relaxed and sloppy ;-) oops unsigned previously - twas me below -->>
I really, really feel I know why you deleted the history section. Could I ask you to consider reverting it please? -- Candy ( talk) 22:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the present! Cheers! La mome ( talk) 00:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Responding here so as not to monopolize Ewen's talk page. I especially appreciated this part: "By 2007, The Economist had declared that "a good rule in most discussions is that the first person to call the other a Nazi automatically loses the argument." And in October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say 'Godwin's Law' and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."" Thanks for helping me gain perspective. La mome ( talk) 20:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
TK - I left you a message here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ewen#Controversy_at_IB_Diploma_Programme ObserverNY ( talk) 23:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)ObserverNY
Yes, I think they're out of print. When I tried to buy my copies I searched everywhere and ended up having to buy second hand. I had a quick look at the stuff you added (and linked This River Awakens + changed a word for fluency) and I think it's a really good addition: it's clear/concise/true and it adds some bulk to that section, which it was lacking before. Regards, Alan16 ( talk) 12:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC).
Hi Truthkeeper,
Could you please visit my talk page, read and comment on my recent section about the IB Diploma Programme.
Many thanks, -- Candy ( talk) 21:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Aw, c'mon; won't you re-accept the award? The only one I've ever given and it gets deleted... 8-)
You've done nothing to dishonour it!
Ewen ( talk) 20:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Responded to your query regarding images on my talk page. Litho derm 14:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
In the
"Filming" section for The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie I wrote a sentence that dosn't look right, but I don't know how to revise it.
This is the sentence:
Draper explains that in order to film the movie, "We would sneak into locations and run."
Do you think the sentence is fine or does it need revising?
Also in the "Filming" section do you think that this sentence:
The majority of the cast were friends and relatives of the Draper-Wolff family.
Should be revised to:
The majority of the cast were friends and relatives of the Draper-Wolff family (and/or) clan.
What do you think?
Otherwise than that did you detect any more copyediting that needs to be done for FAC, because I don't think their is much more than that and you did a great job.
When you finish helping me, I will be giving you a barnstar for your time, effort, and all of your hard work.
Thanx and happy editing!
ATC .
Talk
21:48, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Just had to take care of something, but am back now. Here are my recommendations:
That's it. Otherwise it looks good. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 00:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Sure for #1 do what ever you need to do. For #2, I guess you are right, though the majority was written by Nat so it probally should be revised. For #3 I put that because I wanted to explain how it was Albie Hecht who made the film known and developed the series—that's why I wanted to mention him a little bit in the article, since his production company distributed the film once Nickelodeon co-opted it. I think that should stay, what do you think? Should the article just stay consistant about the film? ATC . Talk 00:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
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The Copyeditor's Barnstar | |
I award this barnstar to User:Truthkeeper88 for this editor's trumendous help for prose and WP:MOS on The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie article, as it will be going through a FAC nomination this week. In addition to this user's mild changes to the The Naked Brothers Band TV series article. ATC . Talk 03:05, 11 September 2009 (UTC) |
Thanks ATC!! Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:06, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
User:Eubulides left a comment on FAC nominatation for the film at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie/archive3. I don't know what to rewrite in the caption for the image, since examples I see only describe film posters. Thanx! ATC . Talk 15:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanx! ATC . Talk 05:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
( edit conflict)I'll check Safari at work tomorrow (oops about the right-click, by the way, I'd forgotten I'd configured my mighty mouse to do right-clicks to ease the Monday-morning Linux-OS X transition...) Firefox on Macs, I'm fairly sure has properties where I described - Firefox is fairly consistent across platforms. Cheers, TFOWR This flag once was red 20:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! Can you help again? It's a completely different topic this time (Japanese sculpture) but much less text than for the Jesuit missions. I am trying to get List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) up to featured list quality. For this, the list should have "professional standards of writing" and the lead should be engaging and introduce the subject, scope and inclusion criteria. On request I expanded the lead but am not sure if it is a good lead. I tried a historical introduction to Japanese sculpture but feel that the lead is not really connected to the list/table. Do you have the same feeling and/or suggestions/comments on how to improve the lead? Would be great to get some feedback on the list. bamse ( talk) 22:39, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Based on the sources, the first sentence might be recast to indicate the history of the preservation movement in general, and how it specifically applies to the sculptures. I need to spend a little time reading the sources to learn about the subject, so as to rewrite that sentence with any sort of accuracy. Alternately, you might rewrite and I can fix if a little rough. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 15:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am happy to assure you that I did not even imagine that you were the user that caused me annoyance this week. The post that annoyed me occurred 14 Sept, which is after you left that article. I have posted about this in reply to your protestation at Talk:Otomi_language#Proto-Otomi. I hope this gives you a little more peace of mind. Dale Chock ( talk) 01:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Still no word from the Flickr user on the photo of Hemingway's grave. To be honest, this is the first time I've had no reply whatsoever, and I believe it's because the account is registered to a company ( Mountain Khakis) rather than an individual. I wouldn't hold out hope. Sorry about that. Litho derm 20:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88!
I was wondering, since a user from FAC, have been editing a little bit in the lead for
The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie.
The user said to avoid repetition.
I've done more myself, what do you think?
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
16:14, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures) has been promoted to featured list! Thanks for the copyediting of the lead section. PS: Not sure why you have it under "Articles I'm currently working on:" on your user page. bamse ( talk) 07:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
I was curious (and brave), so I nominated Jesuit Missions of the Chiquitos at WP:FAC. bamse ( talk) 09:26, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Here's the reply to my query re: the Lippy book and the History section. A couple of solutions come to mind: 1.) if the comments are general comments, then cite the chapter from which they came in Lippy's book, if that would be acceptable; 2.) find other sources for verification (I think I did read something about the reductions in Bolivia being characterisitic for not imposing European culture more than elsewhere, but will have to find that source again); 3.) delete the section and bring the article back to the state it was in before the GAR, w/out the history section. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 17:25, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
I was wondering, since I added a little more information in the filming section I was wondering if you could do a
minor copyedit to it.
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
00:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! I've been editing Central Morocco Tamazight somewhat recently, and I feel like it could use another look over, especially the sections after "Orthography". I'm still somewhat unsure as to what needs to be done to improve its status, other than figuring out the origins of the Latin orthography. Mo-Al ( talk) 03:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The sandbox is here. You've already seen the first 3 versions. Version 4 is simply a renamed version 3. Version 5 has the plot and characters in separate paragraphs. It still needs copyediting and cleanup, but I don't have time tonight. Truthkeeper88 ( talk) 23:01, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88! Unfortunately the Jesuit Missions did not make it for FA despite of your good work. I'll let them rest for a while and maybe get back to them later, when I have access to better sources. Since you did a good job with the featured List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures), I wonder if you could have a look over the lead section (and "Statistics" and "Usage") of the similarly designed List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings). No need to rush and feel free to ask questions if anything is unclear. bamse ( talk) 20:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
This might be helpful for the copyediting. bamse ( talk) 23:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Juliancolton | Talk 03:45, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Truthkeeper88,
I wanted to know if you could follow Ruhrfisch advice with the alt text for the lead image -
[11].
Also do you think there is anything else that needs to be fixed in the article, as Ruhrfisch said it needed a lot more copyediting?
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
00:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
List of National Treasures of Japan (paintings) received the first comments here. I replied to 3,4,5,6. 1. and 2. concern the lead text and still need to be addressed. Can you help with it? I'll reread the lead section now and see if I can make sense of the first comment. bamse ( talk) 11:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Fixed a typo (sujects->sujets) in the lead. Other than what is mentioned in the second comment ("With the rise of" and "With the evolution") I don't see a problem. bamse ( talk) 11:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
When you have spare time, since I know you have a lot on your plate at the moment, I was wondering if you could help me revise the paragraph below, that I rearranged in the right order and added a little bit more to in the plot section, as stated below (I did not save this yet, since I want it to have good grammar):
Brothers Nat and Alex, aged nine and six respectively, are members of a fictional band called The Silver Boulders. Cameras follow the band members through their personal lives, and when they notice them at those times, they shout at the cameraman, in order to have their privacy. Their popularity is the result of having been signed to a record contract—on music executive John B. Williams' label Who's the Man Records. The film begins with Nat and Alex giving an introduction to their
documentary film and then there is a limo shown driving on a bridge in
New York City. Inside the limo their is an enthusiastic girl-fan, who gets overly excited after she wins "Today's Big Win Question" on the radio, in which she receives two-free tickets at the group's upcoming concert. That show took place in the
Hammerstein Ballroom in which the band performs "Motormouth". After the show, they talk to the audience about starting the band. Then a clip is playing from the video "Crazy Car".
ATC .
Talk
01:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanx! Also, with your suggestions for the paraphrases, these are the ones that you can revise (when you get the chance, of course):
And in 2007 Draper explained to the New York Times: "Nat decided he wanted to film his own sitcom, so we did a film called Don’t Eat Off My Plate...I pretended to interview his friends and do a documentary.''
As Draper recalls:
"Julianne (Moore) was the first one to shoot a scene in it. She had to go away to do a real movie. I said, 'If you were in it, it would lend some credibility to the idea that Nat is a star. Can you do it Thursday?' And she said yes! We found this building and put a couple chairs in it, and made it like the backstage of a talk show, really funky—like New York talk show green rooms really are. She and Nat both did it in one take. He was surprisingly great. I thought, 'Wow!' He's really good at this acting thing."—Polly Draper[12]
Let me know if you think any others should be corrected, and I'll try to find more. ATC . Talk 21:35, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Michael Wolff explains that "...We made this film and we had never had any thought of it being a television show. We just made it to be a film. We had an agent who thought, 'Oh we're going to get a ton of money...' we did all this market research and it tested as high as Shrek with kids and they come out singing, 'Cray-ay-ay-ay-ay-zy Car.'"
And I'm deleting this, as it is redundant to the other quote by Albie Hecht:
Hecht recalls in People magazine, "I could see there was an audience for this. They're real kids, real brothers, making real music."[29]
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
01:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, no problem. When you get the chance, I've found a couple of more quotations that you can paraphrase:
Releases and debuts:
Hecht explained that he had an independent production deal with Nickelodeon and told them, "You know this kind of film has to be on Nickelodeon. We should do a television show."
Development:
Their father Michael Wolff explains: "My oldest son [Nat] is just an amazing singer-songwriter; amazing pianist. When he was about four or five years old, he just started playing. He learned all the major and minor chords on the piano. I said, 'How did you learn them?' He said, 'Dad, they’re right here.' I said, 'What are those chords?' He said, 'These are my proud chords.' And he could just do it."[7]
Thanx!
ATC .
Talk
22:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)