You seem passionate and interested in the topic. May I ask if you would take a look at the kind-of-new North American Vegetarian Society page to see if you can expand or improve it, thanks. And writing you just reminded me that the chart needs updating from the good additions at the talk page (I should get on that). Randy Kryn ( talk) 14:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello Carl - on my talk page, you said: I have reverted your deletion. 1) I know that MDPI is currently monitored for it's practices. However, it depends on the journal. I have not read that "Nutrients" is an unreliable source. 2) Also, in this case, the study was funded by a public university, so they clearly could have chosen another journal. 3) A lot of nutritional research is currently published in Nutrients that seems legit and conducted by universities. 4) Excluding the journal entirely should go through a due process in Wikipedia and not by lumping it in with MDPI's missteps in the past. Since the 2018 incident the impact factor has only increased (I have added it to the journal's article).
I numbered your points to faciliate our discussion. 1) MDPI predatory practices are well-documented in the article's controversies section. As editors, we need to pay attention to the details of articles published in Nutrients. I for one start with high skepticism, and if I can be convinced of the quality, I allow the source to be used (rarely). 2) I don't think there's a relationship between whether a university facilitated the research, and the quality of journal where it appears. Perhaps the opposite is true: the authors are motivated for publication (a resume for tenure, as an example), and may even pay for publication of a weak review (recruiting authors and having them pay for publication is a common tactic of predatory publishers). If the authors really wanted rigorous review of their article, they would have submitted it to Nature Medicine (as an example) where it wouldn't stand a chance of publication. 3) I can't think of any good nutritional research published in Nutrients. In my opinion - having reviewed and edited numerous Wikipedia articles on nutrition - articles in Nutrients are a red flag warning for poor quality. 4) we have WP:CITEWATCH which does encourage careful review of MDPI sources. In my experience, they are uniformly of poor quality and are unusable as sources for Wikipedia medical and nutrition content.
Thanks for politely raising the issue. Best regards. Zefr ( talk) 16:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Your additions to this article were too promotional, WP:NOTADVOCACY, and were over-sourced, WP:OVERCITE. Try to keep content concise and sources to a minimum of the most recent reviews in good journals. This dietary practice remains under only preliminary research for its possible effects on human health, a topic difficult - if not impossible - to study rigorously due to all the confounding research factors of people on a dietary regimen. If national clinical organizations or major research institutes make recommendations for healthy people or patients with diseases to use a plant-based diet, that would be worthy of describing briefly; WP:MEDSCI. I am unaware of such positions. Zefr ( talk) 15:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Dear Carl,
You removed my suggestion for a new section in the veganism article expounding how vegans deal with this problem for their ethics, on the ground that talk pages are not for philosophical discussion. I suggest you have a look at some of the innumerable pages where there is such discussion. For example, categorical imperative, a priori and a posteriori, naturalistic fallacy. There are hundreds! It is so obvious that ploughing etc slaughters animal life that vegans must have tackled the problem, seeing that they even scruple to eat honey on the rather Marxist grounds that it would be exploiting the workers. As the article sets out their thinking in other respects, surely it would be more complete if it dealt with this too? Best wishes
Esedowns ( talk) 16:57, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Esedowns: if you read the article it states that veganism is a about reducing animal suffering when practically possible. Not eating vegetables or cereals is not practically possible. Pulling out every earthworm by hand also isn't. What you are looking for is not veganism but Jainism's doctrine of ahimsa. CarlFromVienna ( talk) 05:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Veganism&diff=1124806026&oldid=1124299380&diffmode=source -- Kreyren ( talk) 04:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
You've got the facts wrong, friend. I ask you to withdraw your comment. Please re-read the article by Krittanawong et al, which has this conclusion in its abstract: "Our analysis suggests that higher consumption of eggs (more than 1 egg/day) was not associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease, but was associated with a significant reduction in risk of coronary artery disease." See: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002934320305490 sbelknap (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
You need to disclose your vegan POV on your talk-page World Carnivore Tribe ( talk) 11:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
I believe that a Wikipedia article is due on the "Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets" because those position papers have a long history going back to the 1980s, I am not doing it now but I will write the article. I am not sure if you were aware but the 2015 position paper was retracted [1], [2]. That paper co-written by Diana Cullum-Dugan contained many errors, especially from what I could see about iron. In 2016 after that paper was retracted a new paper was published [3] by Vesanto Melina, Winston Craig and Susan M. Levin. The paper claims the "position is in effect until December 31, 2021" [4]. It would be interesting to read the new position paper. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 23:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I am not a physiologist so just had to look up some interesting stuff about this topic. The RDI for iron is 8 mg for men and 18 mg per day for women. In the UK it is 8.7mg for men and 14.8mg for women. It is unrealistic that a vegan female is going to consume 18mg of iron in a single day because only only 2–20% of nonheme iron is absorbed. There is also the issue of inhibitors of iron absorption such as calcium, polyphenols and phytates [10].
My understanding is that only 1mg of iron a day is actually absorbed by the body [11]. 600 to 1000 mg can be stored in the body by a typical adult male that can last a few years. Around 1mg-1.2mg is also lost daily from many different factors such as blood loss and to a lesser extent sweat and tears. In regard to heme iron, more than 95% of functional iron in the human body is in the form of heme iron [12] (I don't trust the journal Nutrients, but I am sure that figure is correct). When you dive into all of this, I can see why concerns have been raised about vegan diets and iron levels because vegans only consume non-heme iron which has poorer bioavailability. I also read about some interesting facts in regard to how iron recycles itself in the body [13]. We have a Wikipedia on this Human iron metabolism.
Just my opinion but if we weigh everything up, I am not convinced the RDI can be met for iron on a vegan diet without a supplement or fortified foods. I have seen that some of those breakfast cereals are fortified with iron.
In the ADA 2016 paper (I will call it ADA but it is now the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) it says "We now know that individuals can adapt and absorb non-heme iron more effectively... Individuals are able to adapt to low intakes of iron over time and can reduce iron losses". This isn't good science in my opinion because these statements are not supported by strong sourcing. If you look at the study they cited (source 24) to prove the latter line, it was an 8 week study on lacto-ovo vegetarians [14] (full paper [15] with 21 females, a very biased small sample to making such a bold statement for. The study had nothing to do with vegan diets, secondly the conclusion was "an associated decrease in fecal ferritin excretion, suggesting partial physiologic adaptation to increase the efficiency of iron absorption". This is an 8 week study with a speculative conclusion about fecal ferritin losses, yet the ADA authors made a bold statement that individuals can adapt to low intakes of iron over time.
I can see why anti-vegans do not trust the ADA papers. My background is not in physiology or dietetics (I am a historian) but even I can see the mistakes in these papers. They are finding small sample studies then making very bold statements. The other line "We now know that individuals can adapt and absorb non-heme iron more effectively" is sourced to this paper [16]. Again, I do not think that statement matches what the paper found. Similar to the other paper it found that individuals that absorb more heme-iron in their diets seem to lose less fecal ferritin. Again, this paper was not on vegan diets. I am no expert on any of this but I think you will agree this is bad science by making very bold statements from some limited studies from around the year 2000. My suggestion would be that some of these results might be explained because vegetarians consume a lot of dairy products with calcium. We know that calcium inhibits iron.
When I went on pubmed and clicked on that previous paper, another paper came up that seemed to come to a different conclusion [17]. I don't have time to go through the entire ADA paper reference by reference (I don't think anyone has actually done that openly and posted their findings), but that was just an example of just two lines, I am sure I could find more. For me, it is a case of using biased studies, cherry-picking, citing limited studies with small samples then making very bold statements. Both statements I just cited, I am not saying they are false (they may or may not be), I looked and there are some studies on adaptation in iron metabolism but again these are limited studies. I do not think we can make very bold statements without good science, certainly not about reducing iron losses, the way evidence-based medicine works is not just on a few limited studies. I think the ADA would have done better to leave those statements out. Vegans are repeatedly citing the ADA paper but those studies on iron were not on vegans and that is just one example. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 02:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
To exploit something non-human means to make productive use of it. Animals and animal products can be exploited. Can I re-add the sentence with these sources showing both sides of the debate? https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/can-vegans-eat-eggs-from-backyard-hens https://www.livekindly.com/honey-debate-vegan-not-vegan/ Countryboy603 ( talk) 15:04, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I just came across this paper, [23] you may find it amusing. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 19:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
There is a new study on processed red meat and bowel cancer described here on the World Cancer Research Fund website [28]
"The study conducted in Germany., calculated the impact over a 30-year period (2020-2050). It showed that if processed meat was completely removed from the diet, this would significantly reduce the risk of developing bowel cancer – with 6,000 cases prevented among men and 2,500 among women per year.
The study also found that almost 220,000 cases of bowel cancer could be prevented between 2020 and 2050 if processed meat was taken out of diets completely."
I have tried to find the study but cannot find it, do you know anything about it? Psychologist Guy ( talk) 11:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The American Heart Association gave the vegan diet a 78% score of how they align with their 2021 Dietary Guidance [35]. The Nordic diet scored the highest. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 23:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
[36], [37] This has just been published, it is the first systematic review that has looked at apolipoprotein B levels in vegans and vegetarians. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 21:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey,
I have been making some improvements on the whole grains Wikipedia article. There is a strong consensus that whole grains can reduce risk of bowel cancer and lower risk of total cancer mortality. I have seen data suggesting that dietary fibre decreases prostate cancer risk, for example [38], [39] but the data is not always consistent. However, an interesting and unexpected finding I have found in several reviews is that total whole grain consumption increases prostate cancer risk.
This finding was found in a 2019 review [40]. Unfortunately I do not have access to it. There is a summary of that review here in another systematic review:
"Three meta-analyses have been published on the association between whole grain intake and risk of prostate cancer, including 2 categorical analyses and 1 dose-response analysis. In contrast to the site-specific cancers discussed above, none of the meta-analyses indicated a benefit for whole grain intake. In fact, one of the meta-analyses indicated a 10% higher risk of prostate cancer when comparing highest vs. lowest intake groups". [41]
Interestingly that review also found "The only cancer for which whole grain intake was not associated with lower risk was prostate cancer".
Another review found no protect effect [42].
If you look at the latest umbrella review on whole grains and cancer risk they found that whole grains decrease risk of bowel cancer but increase prostate cancer risk [43].
I would have suspected that oats offer a protect effect against prostate cancer, but this doesn't appear to be the case:
"The relationship between intake of specific whole-grain products, including oatmeal, and prostate cancer was investigated among 26,691 men (50–64 years) who participated in the Danish diet, Cancer and Health prospective cohort study. During a median 12.4-year follow up, 1081 prostate cancer cases were identified. Overall, no association between oatmeal intake and prostate cancer risk was observed as well as with total intake of whole-grain products. Additionally, 2268 men (age: 67–86 years) included in the AGES-Reykjavik cohort study reported their food habits for early, middle and current life using validated FFQ. The data set indicated that the intake of oat both in adolescence or midlife did not exert a protective effect on prostate cancer risk." [44], also mentioned in this review [45] how oats have no effect on prostate cancer.
A problem with this type of research which you might point out is how whole grains are defined but there is a pattern here in the reviews. I would be interested in knowing your thoughts about this. This has not been reported in the plant-based community. I am in contact with a lot of dietitians so I may send out an email. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 12:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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You seem passionate and interested in the topic. May I ask if you would take a look at the kind-of-new North American Vegetarian Society page to see if you can expand or improve it, thanks. And writing you just reminded me that the chart needs updating from the good additions at the talk page (I should get on that). Randy Kryn ( talk) 14:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello Carl - on my talk page, you said: I have reverted your deletion. 1) I know that MDPI is currently monitored for it's practices. However, it depends on the journal. I have not read that "Nutrients" is an unreliable source. 2) Also, in this case, the study was funded by a public university, so they clearly could have chosen another journal. 3) A lot of nutritional research is currently published in Nutrients that seems legit and conducted by universities. 4) Excluding the journal entirely should go through a due process in Wikipedia and not by lumping it in with MDPI's missteps in the past. Since the 2018 incident the impact factor has only increased (I have added it to the journal's article).
I numbered your points to faciliate our discussion. 1) MDPI predatory practices are well-documented in the article's controversies section. As editors, we need to pay attention to the details of articles published in Nutrients. I for one start with high skepticism, and if I can be convinced of the quality, I allow the source to be used (rarely). 2) I don't think there's a relationship between whether a university facilitated the research, and the quality of journal where it appears. Perhaps the opposite is true: the authors are motivated for publication (a resume for tenure, as an example), and may even pay for publication of a weak review (recruiting authors and having them pay for publication is a common tactic of predatory publishers). If the authors really wanted rigorous review of their article, they would have submitted it to Nature Medicine (as an example) where it wouldn't stand a chance of publication. 3) I can't think of any good nutritional research published in Nutrients. In my opinion - having reviewed and edited numerous Wikipedia articles on nutrition - articles in Nutrients are a red flag warning for poor quality. 4) we have WP:CITEWATCH which does encourage careful review of MDPI sources. In my experience, they are uniformly of poor quality and are unusable as sources for Wikipedia medical and nutrition content.
Thanks for politely raising the issue. Best regards. Zefr ( talk) 16:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
Your additions to this article were too promotional, WP:NOTADVOCACY, and were over-sourced, WP:OVERCITE. Try to keep content concise and sources to a minimum of the most recent reviews in good journals. This dietary practice remains under only preliminary research for its possible effects on human health, a topic difficult - if not impossible - to study rigorously due to all the confounding research factors of people on a dietary regimen. If national clinical organizations or major research institutes make recommendations for healthy people or patients with diseases to use a plant-based diet, that would be worthy of describing briefly; WP:MEDSCI. I am unaware of such positions. Zefr ( talk) 15:36, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Dear Carl,
You removed my suggestion for a new section in the veganism article expounding how vegans deal with this problem for their ethics, on the ground that talk pages are not for philosophical discussion. I suggest you have a look at some of the innumerable pages where there is such discussion. For example, categorical imperative, a priori and a posteriori, naturalistic fallacy. There are hundreds! It is so obvious that ploughing etc slaughters animal life that vegans must have tackled the problem, seeing that they even scruple to eat honey on the rather Marxist grounds that it would be exploiting the workers. As the article sets out their thinking in other respects, surely it would be more complete if it dealt with this too? Best wishes
Esedowns ( talk) 16:57, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Esedowns: if you read the article it states that veganism is a about reducing animal suffering when practically possible. Not eating vegetables or cereals is not practically possible. Pulling out every earthworm by hand also isn't. What you are looking for is not veganism but Jainism's doctrine of ahimsa. CarlFromVienna ( talk) 05:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Veganism&diff=1124806026&oldid=1124299380&diffmode=source -- Kreyren ( talk) 04:47, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
You've got the facts wrong, friend. I ask you to withdraw your comment. Please re-read the article by Krittanawong et al, which has this conclusion in its abstract: "Our analysis suggests that higher consumption of eggs (more than 1 egg/day) was not associated with increased risk of cardiovascular disease, but was associated with a significant reduction in risk of coronary artery disease." See: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002934320305490 sbelknap (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
You need to disclose your vegan POV on your talk-page World Carnivore Tribe ( talk) 11:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
I believe that a Wikipedia article is due on the "Position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: Vegetarian Diets" because those position papers have a long history going back to the 1980s, I am not doing it now but I will write the article. I am not sure if you were aware but the 2015 position paper was retracted [1], [2]. That paper co-written by Diana Cullum-Dugan contained many errors, especially from what I could see about iron. In 2016 after that paper was retracted a new paper was published [3] by Vesanto Melina, Winston Craig and Susan M. Levin. The paper claims the "position is in effect until December 31, 2021" [4]. It would be interesting to read the new position paper. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 23:13, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I am not a physiologist so just had to look up some interesting stuff about this topic. The RDI for iron is 8 mg for men and 18 mg per day for women. In the UK it is 8.7mg for men and 14.8mg for women. It is unrealistic that a vegan female is going to consume 18mg of iron in a single day because only only 2–20% of nonheme iron is absorbed. There is also the issue of inhibitors of iron absorption such as calcium, polyphenols and phytates [10].
My understanding is that only 1mg of iron a day is actually absorbed by the body [11]. 600 to 1000 mg can be stored in the body by a typical adult male that can last a few years. Around 1mg-1.2mg is also lost daily from many different factors such as blood loss and to a lesser extent sweat and tears. In regard to heme iron, more than 95% of functional iron in the human body is in the form of heme iron [12] (I don't trust the journal Nutrients, but I am sure that figure is correct). When you dive into all of this, I can see why concerns have been raised about vegan diets and iron levels because vegans only consume non-heme iron which has poorer bioavailability. I also read about some interesting facts in regard to how iron recycles itself in the body [13]. We have a Wikipedia on this Human iron metabolism.
Just my opinion but if we weigh everything up, I am not convinced the RDI can be met for iron on a vegan diet without a supplement or fortified foods. I have seen that some of those breakfast cereals are fortified with iron.
In the ADA 2016 paper (I will call it ADA but it is now the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) it says "We now know that individuals can adapt and absorb non-heme iron more effectively... Individuals are able to adapt to low intakes of iron over time and can reduce iron losses". This isn't good science in my opinion because these statements are not supported by strong sourcing. If you look at the study they cited (source 24) to prove the latter line, it was an 8 week study on lacto-ovo vegetarians [14] (full paper [15] with 21 females, a very biased small sample to making such a bold statement for. The study had nothing to do with vegan diets, secondly the conclusion was "an associated decrease in fecal ferritin excretion, suggesting partial physiologic adaptation to increase the efficiency of iron absorption". This is an 8 week study with a speculative conclusion about fecal ferritin losses, yet the ADA authors made a bold statement that individuals can adapt to low intakes of iron over time.
I can see why anti-vegans do not trust the ADA papers. My background is not in physiology or dietetics (I am a historian) but even I can see the mistakes in these papers. They are finding small sample studies then making very bold statements. The other line "We now know that individuals can adapt and absorb non-heme iron more effectively" is sourced to this paper [16]. Again, I do not think that statement matches what the paper found. Similar to the other paper it found that individuals that absorb more heme-iron in their diets seem to lose less fecal ferritin. Again, this paper was not on vegan diets. I am no expert on any of this but I think you will agree this is bad science by making very bold statements from some limited studies from around the year 2000. My suggestion would be that some of these results might be explained because vegetarians consume a lot of dairy products with calcium. We know that calcium inhibits iron.
When I went on pubmed and clicked on that previous paper, another paper came up that seemed to come to a different conclusion [17]. I don't have time to go through the entire ADA paper reference by reference (I don't think anyone has actually done that openly and posted their findings), but that was just an example of just two lines, I am sure I could find more. For me, it is a case of using biased studies, cherry-picking, citing limited studies with small samples then making very bold statements. Both statements I just cited, I am not saying they are false (they may or may not be), I looked and there are some studies on adaptation in iron metabolism but again these are limited studies. I do not think we can make very bold statements without good science, certainly not about reducing iron losses, the way evidence-based medicine works is not just on a few limited studies. I think the ADA would have done better to leave those statements out. Vegans are repeatedly citing the ADA paper but those studies on iron were not on vegans and that is just one example. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 02:32, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
To exploit something non-human means to make productive use of it. Animals and animal products can be exploited. Can I re-add the sentence with these sources showing both sides of the debate? https://www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/can-vegans-eat-eggs-from-backyard-hens https://www.livekindly.com/honey-debate-vegan-not-vegan/ Countryboy603 ( talk) 15:04, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
I just came across this paper, [23] you may find it amusing. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 19:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
There is a new study on processed red meat and bowel cancer described here on the World Cancer Research Fund website [28]
"The study conducted in Germany., calculated the impact over a 30-year period (2020-2050). It showed that if processed meat was completely removed from the diet, this would significantly reduce the risk of developing bowel cancer – with 6,000 cases prevented among men and 2,500 among women per year.
The study also found that almost 220,000 cases of bowel cancer could be prevented between 2020 and 2050 if processed meat was taken out of diets completely."
I have tried to find the study but cannot find it, do you know anything about it? Psychologist Guy ( talk) 11:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
The American Heart Association gave the vegan diet a 78% score of how they align with their 2021 Dietary Guidance [35]. The Nordic diet scored the highest. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 23:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
[36], [37] This has just been published, it is the first systematic review that has looked at apolipoprotein B levels in vegans and vegetarians. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 21:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey,
I have been making some improvements on the whole grains Wikipedia article. There is a strong consensus that whole grains can reduce risk of bowel cancer and lower risk of total cancer mortality. I have seen data suggesting that dietary fibre decreases prostate cancer risk, for example [38], [39] but the data is not always consistent. However, an interesting and unexpected finding I have found in several reviews is that total whole grain consumption increases prostate cancer risk.
This finding was found in a 2019 review [40]. Unfortunately I do not have access to it. There is a summary of that review here in another systematic review:
"Three meta-analyses have been published on the association between whole grain intake and risk of prostate cancer, including 2 categorical analyses and 1 dose-response analysis. In contrast to the site-specific cancers discussed above, none of the meta-analyses indicated a benefit for whole grain intake. In fact, one of the meta-analyses indicated a 10% higher risk of prostate cancer when comparing highest vs. lowest intake groups". [41]
Interestingly that review also found "The only cancer for which whole grain intake was not associated with lower risk was prostate cancer".
Another review found no protect effect [42].
If you look at the latest umbrella review on whole grains and cancer risk they found that whole grains decrease risk of bowel cancer but increase prostate cancer risk [43].
I would have suspected that oats offer a protect effect against prostate cancer, but this doesn't appear to be the case:
"The relationship between intake of specific whole-grain products, including oatmeal, and prostate cancer was investigated among 26,691 men (50–64 years) who participated in the Danish diet, Cancer and Health prospective cohort study. During a median 12.4-year follow up, 1081 prostate cancer cases were identified. Overall, no association between oatmeal intake and prostate cancer risk was observed as well as with total intake of whole-grain products. Additionally, 2268 men (age: 67–86 years) included in the AGES-Reykjavik cohort study reported their food habits for early, middle and current life using validated FFQ. The data set indicated that the intake of oat both in adolescence or midlife did not exert a protective effect on prostate cancer risk." [44], also mentioned in this review [45] how oats have no effect on prostate cancer.
A problem with this type of research which you might point out is how whole grains are defined but there is a pattern here in the reviews. I would be interested in knowing your thoughts about this. This has not been reported in the plant-based community. I am in contact with a lot of dietitians so I may send out an email. Psychologist Guy ( talk) 12:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
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