You claimed that the page said something it did not: 'mischaracterise' is the charitable interpretation. I also directly quoted the relevant portions for the page, so I'm not sure where your interpretation comes from. And to clear up any confusion on the other page, an extended excerpt:
'And the other guidelines you link to are all music related, 1968 in the United Kingdom is not a music article.'
And let repeat what I wrote, with relevant portions highlighted:
You are aware of the meaning of 'analogous'? I'm beginning to believe that 'mischaracterise' was too charitable.
'Clearly we should only makes links that are relevant to the context, but as they are people who are born or died in a particular year in the UK, the corresponding year in the Uk is more relevant than the general year.'
'Yes I am aware of the meaning analogous.'
Good.
'However, the Music and Album guideline which you have repeatedly quoted do not apply as we are not talking about music articles.'
I thought you said you understood the meaning of the word? Pity.
'I have given you many examples where this practice is used so unless you wish to go through every single one and get them removed, I see no reason to not do so on UK pages'
You have not provided a single reason for doing so here, relying instead on a pouting, 'But mummy, the neighbour's kids are doing it' rationale. Since you have not seen fit to provide concrete reasons, I will be removing them from the UK pages. -- CalendarWatcher 11:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for your message. -- Guinnog 22:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I've read your essay about categorization, but I'm not convinced. Categorization is not as simple as you present. We have several different ways of categorizing articles. If X is an article, and Y is a category, the reason why X gets put in Y can be because of one of the following three cases:
For example all the articles in Category:Presidency of the United States are ABOUT the topic of the presidency, all the articles which ARE presidents are in Category:Presidents of the United States, and all the articles RELATED TO the subject of George W. Bush are in Category:George W. Bush. These are tree different relationships. I call these three types of categories TOPIC categories, INDEX categories, and SUBJECT categories.
So I agree what you are saying in your essay if it is about TOPIC categories (X is about Y) or SUBJECT categories (X is related to Y). I don't agree for INDEX categories (X is a Y). These are the categories that people use like database searches. If they look in these Y categories they expect to see every article which IS a Y. This is a reasonable expectation. For the other two types, it is reasonable to only find articles which discuss the subject in some significant way, as you say.
Since you left your comment at CfD about Law & Order, I have written quite a bit (just above your comment) with my reasons for deleting these categories. I'd appreciate if you could read them and comment, either here, there or on my talk page. I'd really like to create a consensus on this issue, and am willing to debate this until we reach a common understanding. BTW, I'm trying to get some interest in tagging categories by the types I've just described. Please tak a look at Wikipedia:Category types. -- Samuel Wantman 08:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tim, about a month ago, I have created a talk page of U-Pick Live. On the page, I suggested to add a YouTube link of U-Pick Live. I very recently determined that doing so would be in an indefinate violation of the External Links Policy. This talk page that I created is a complete waste of the article and of Wikipedia. In order to fix things, or not make them worse, I propose to Delete the talk page. I have not read the deletion policy of Wikipedia, so it may not apply to that, but you tell me what should be done to fix things, and I'll do it. Thank you. I've taken a look at the deletion policy, and I'm still not entirely sure. I do recall reading that I can blank the talk page that I created, indicating that I want it deleted. I'll double check on that. I don't remember where I found that, so I'm going withdraw on that. I'm trying to think of all the possabilitys I know of to deal with this issue.
-- Wikipedier 01:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier (talk)
Hi Tim! Can you point me to a page where the Template:Year by category sort by Hundreds index ended up wrong and I will try to fix any problems it. I am sure we can find an improvement from indexing years in thousands. (eg 0. 1. 2.) and I belived I had it working well.
I am trying to sort "year" type pages into hundreds as follows:
This is an improvement on sorting years into Thousands (eg 0. 1. 2.) and I am using the form ⑴ to index and represent 100BCE.
Check out Category:Years in Ireland for an example using BCE and give me your thoughts on how we can improve Template:Year by category.
Γνώθι Σεαυτόν 01:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
For the heads-up regarding the mass CFD of actor-by-series categories. -- BlueSquadron Raven 21:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for creating this one. It's been on my to do list for a while now. MRoberts <> 13:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Re.
this edit summary. Any user is entitled to remove an unsubstantiated statement. The target of "Christmas shoppers" is not referenced, so was legitimately removed. You have illegitimately reinstated unsourced material, which is a disruptive act. Please refrain or you'll end up getting blocked. Likewise the use of the word "unfortunately". It's editorialising, it's
POV and it's not the way we write articles. I am sure the reader will have a modicum of intelligence and sensitivity to draw their own conclusions about the events described. Stick to the facts. Or else find a source that has stated this: then you can include it and reference it. We do need a bit of intellectual precision. Thank you.
Tyrenius
22:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tim!, I wanted to ask you if adding this external link to the Bugs Bunny in Double Trouble article would be acceptable with all of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Adding the site may violate the site's copyright policies, but I'm not sure.(I know if it does, I can not add the link). Can you see if you think if it would? i wanted to add the link, because, first of all, I agree the article is stub, and I think there ahould be more information on the article, plus I play the game, but I also want to make sure it would be compatable with all of all the policies, and certainly as well as the GFDL. The link is about Genie Codes for certain Sega Genesis games, including this one. I personaly would want the link added, because of how hard the gameplay is, the these codes would make it easier, for people interested in playing the game, like me, but I understand Wikipedia might not allow such things, so I'm asking you first. The link is right here -- Wikipedier 03:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier
Thanks Tim!. I was just trying to make sure it wouldn't be vandalism, so I wouldn't be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Wikipedier I looked at the site again, and I see no copyrights on it. I think it would help the article to add the link. If the link is removed, then I'll know it will be a good idea not to have the link on the article. I'm going to give it a try. Thanks for your help.-- Wikipedier 19:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier (talk) Now, I'll see what happens.-- Wikipedier 19:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier
Well, the end result is that there is a bot programmed to removed angelfire sites because of concerns with notability and reliability. I very recently used one of the codes, and they worked for me, but given that concern by the bot, I got my answer to my question, which is that adding the link would not be in accordance with all of Wikipedia's policies, and I therefore removed the link. I added it in the first place with the hope to help Wikipedia. -- Wikipedier 20:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier
Hi Tim! -- I wanted to lay out in more detail the usability point, because when I was reading your essay, you said "The argument that an article may end up with too many categories must also therefore be false because it implies that an article contains too much information." This fails to really address the problem of usability, and almost suggests a confusion between tagging and categorization. More detail at User talk:Tim!/Ceci n'est pas une pipe#"too much information" and usability --Best, lquilter 17:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
You claimed that the page said something it did not: 'mischaracterise' is the charitable interpretation. I also directly quoted the relevant portions for the page, so I'm not sure where your interpretation comes from. And to clear up any confusion on the other page, an extended excerpt:
'And the other guidelines you link to are all music related, 1968 in the United Kingdom is not a music article.'
And let repeat what I wrote, with relevant portions highlighted:
You are aware of the meaning of 'analogous'? I'm beginning to believe that 'mischaracterise' was too charitable.
'Clearly we should only makes links that are relevant to the context, but as they are people who are born or died in a particular year in the UK, the corresponding year in the Uk is more relevant than the general year.'
'Yes I am aware of the meaning analogous.'
Good.
'However, the Music and Album guideline which you have repeatedly quoted do not apply as we are not talking about music articles.'
I thought you said you understood the meaning of the word? Pity.
'I have given you many examples where this practice is used so unless you wish to go through every single one and get them removed, I see no reason to not do so on UK pages'
You have not provided a single reason for doing so here, relying instead on a pouting, 'But mummy, the neighbour's kids are doing it' rationale. Since you have not seen fit to provide concrete reasons, I will be removing them from the UK pages. -- CalendarWatcher 11:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for your message. -- Guinnog 22:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I've read your essay about categorization, but I'm not convinced. Categorization is not as simple as you present. We have several different ways of categorizing articles. If X is an article, and Y is a category, the reason why X gets put in Y can be because of one of the following three cases:
For example all the articles in Category:Presidency of the United States are ABOUT the topic of the presidency, all the articles which ARE presidents are in Category:Presidents of the United States, and all the articles RELATED TO the subject of George W. Bush are in Category:George W. Bush. These are tree different relationships. I call these three types of categories TOPIC categories, INDEX categories, and SUBJECT categories.
So I agree what you are saying in your essay if it is about TOPIC categories (X is about Y) or SUBJECT categories (X is related to Y). I don't agree for INDEX categories (X is a Y). These are the categories that people use like database searches. If they look in these Y categories they expect to see every article which IS a Y. This is a reasonable expectation. For the other two types, it is reasonable to only find articles which discuss the subject in some significant way, as you say.
Since you left your comment at CfD about Law & Order, I have written quite a bit (just above your comment) with my reasons for deleting these categories. I'd appreciate if you could read them and comment, either here, there or on my talk page. I'd really like to create a consensus on this issue, and am willing to debate this until we reach a common understanding. BTW, I'm trying to get some interest in tagging categories by the types I've just described. Please tak a look at Wikipedia:Category types. -- Samuel Wantman 08:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tim, about a month ago, I have created a talk page of U-Pick Live. On the page, I suggested to add a YouTube link of U-Pick Live. I very recently determined that doing so would be in an indefinate violation of the External Links Policy. This talk page that I created is a complete waste of the article and of Wikipedia. In order to fix things, or not make them worse, I propose to Delete the talk page. I have not read the deletion policy of Wikipedia, so it may not apply to that, but you tell me what should be done to fix things, and I'll do it. Thank you. I've taken a look at the deletion policy, and I'm still not entirely sure. I do recall reading that I can blank the talk page that I created, indicating that I want it deleted. I'll double check on that. I don't remember where I found that, so I'm going withdraw on that. I'm trying to think of all the possabilitys I know of to deal with this issue.
-- Wikipedier 01:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier (talk)
Hi Tim! Can you point me to a page where the Template:Year by category sort by Hundreds index ended up wrong and I will try to fix any problems it. I am sure we can find an improvement from indexing years in thousands. (eg 0. 1. 2.) and I belived I had it working well.
I am trying to sort "year" type pages into hundreds as follows:
This is an improvement on sorting years into Thousands (eg 0. 1. 2.) and I am using the form ⑴ to index and represent 100BCE.
Check out Category:Years in Ireland for an example using BCE and give me your thoughts on how we can improve Template:Year by category.
Γνώθι Σεαυτόν 01:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
For the heads-up regarding the mass CFD of actor-by-series categories. -- BlueSquadron Raven 21:40, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for creating this one. It's been on my to do list for a while now. MRoberts <> 13:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Re.
this edit summary. Any user is entitled to remove an unsubstantiated statement. The target of "Christmas shoppers" is not referenced, so was legitimately removed. You have illegitimately reinstated unsourced material, which is a disruptive act. Please refrain or you'll end up getting blocked. Likewise the use of the word "unfortunately". It's editorialising, it's
POV and it's not the way we write articles. I am sure the reader will have a modicum of intelligence and sensitivity to draw their own conclusions about the events described. Stick to the facts. Or else find a source that has stated this: then you can include it and reference it. We do need a bit of intellectual precision. Thank you.
Tyrenius
22:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tim!, I wanted to ask you if adding this external link to the Bugs Bunny in Double Trouble article would be acceptable with all of Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Adding the site may violate the site's copyright policies, but I'm not sure.(I know if it does, I can not add the link). Can you see if you think if it would? i wanted to add the link, because, first of all, I agree the article is stub, and I think there ahould be more information on the article, plus I play the game, but I also want to make sure it would be compatable with all of all the policies, and certainly as well as the GFDL. The link is about Genie Codes for certain Sega Genesis games, including this one. I personaly would want the link added, because of how hard the gameplay is, the these codes would make it easier, for people interested in playing the game, like me, but I understand Wikipedia might not allow such things, so I'm asking you first. The link is right here -- Wikipedier 03:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier
Thanks Tim!. I was just trying to make sure it wouldn't be vandalism, so I wouldn't be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Wikipedier I looked at the site again, and I see no copyrights on it. I think it would help the article to add the link. If the link is removed, then I'll know it will be a good idea not to have the link on the article. I'm going to give it a try. Thanks for your help.-- Wikipedier 19:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier (talk) Now, I'll see what happens.-- Wikipedier 19:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier
Well, the end result is that there is a bot programmed to removed angelfire sites because of concerns with notability and reliability. I very recently used one of the codes, and they worked for me, but given that concern by the bot, I got my answer to my question, which is that adding the link would not be in accordance with all of Wikipedia's policies, and I therefore removed the link. I added it in the first place with the hope to help Wikipedia. -- Wikipedier 20:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedier
Hi Tim! -- I wanted to lay out in more detail the usability point, because when I was reading your essay, you said "The argument that an article may end up with too many categories must also therefore be false because it implies that an article contains too much information." This fails to really address the problem of usability, and almost suggests a confusion between tagging and categorization. More detail at User talk:Tim!/Ceci n'est pas une pipe#"too much information" and usability --Best, lquilter 17:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)