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Are we having fun yet? - David Gerard 11:22, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Just a heads-up, but AI ( talk · contribs), for some reason, seems hell-bent on removing {{scientology-stub}} from Tilman Hausherr. -- Calton | Talk 07:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Tilman is a German critic of Scientology, that does not mean he is Scientology-related. -- AI 02:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Please take part at the merge vote under Talk:Mind control#Merge vote -- Irmgard 16:35, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Please see WP:AUTO in regard of editing an article about yourself, or editing articles that refer to you. Happy editing! ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 17:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Tilman... I'd like to use one of your images of the Super Power Building (specifically, this one) to illustrate the Super Power Building article. If you don't have the original handy, I can photoshop out the text. Let me know.... thanks, wikipediatrix 02:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, well, look what the cat dragged in ... ;-)
Howdy, and welkommen! I think you'll find Wikipedia a more congenial place to work than alt.religion.unification but that the standards of verifiablity and neutrality can be difficult to abide by.
We sure had some fun conversations years ago: do you remember Dan Fefferman? -- Uncle Ed 20:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You made comment about my personal opinion at Talk:R2-45. You stated, But you did give your opinion that R2-45 is a joke. Now suddenly you "lost" your opinion? --Tilman 08:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC) I want you to understand, I am perfectly willing to talk about my opinion and do not mean to preclude such discussion. However, for purposes of article development, one individual's personal opinion only has a certain amount of weight. I don't feel it is appropriate to tie up a lot of the discussion page with why my opinion is better than anyone else's or with why my opinion comes from more education in Scientology than anyone else's. The article's talk page is usually not a useful place to discuss personal opinion. However, I am willing to discuss my personal opinion. Here on your user page or on my user page would be a more appropriate venue to discuss my opinion, to get into communication, to understand what each other means by specific issues that might unduly tie up an article's disucssion page. I see you have migrated from alt.religion.scientology and that Mr. Gerard has talked with you a little. I therefore understand your background in asking if I have lost my opinion. I replied. Is there more you wish to discuss? Terryeo 16:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Also worth noting is the simplicity. "Have you lost your opinion", can be construed to be more that an innocent question. I see you are a new editor on Wikipedia and, perhaps, you have not viewed some of the personal attack policies, such as WP:POINT. Terryeo 17:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Please stop your personal attacks. At [2]you state: Please stop wasting our time, you have been presented with evidence that "inside the church" is indeed correct. I spell the situation out there and ask you to stop your personal attacks. You are a new editor on Wikipedia, I therefore remind you once again to address your comments toward building articles, rather than attacking individual editors. WP:PAIN spells out my options when attacked and spells out your options as attacker. Please stop your personal attacks, User:Tilman Terryeo 16:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Tilman, there has been a history of certain problem users who seem to regard other users who disagree with them as editing in bad faith and treat them with incivility. These few users falsely accuse those who disagree with them of personal attacks. I don't think such folks will be tolerated much longer here on the wiki. Just offering my personal opinion.-- Fahrenheit451 00:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure you remember our friend "Nick" with his crusade to make sure his link to an "anonymous organization" calling Rick Ross a homosexual gets into the 'pedia one way or another. It probably isn't a surprise that he's doing it at Potter's House Christian Fellowship, and using "logic" that amounts to "either I get to insert these anonymous smear sites, or I get to remove any URLs to sites that say things about Potter's House that I don't like." Oh, and he also thinks that he doesn't actually need a citation for "Rick Ross calls Potter's House a cult"; he thinks all you need to know is that Rick Ross hates cults and that is all the proof you need that he calls Potter's House one. Would you keep an eye on the article? -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule at Potter's House Christian Fellowship. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. |
— Matt Crypto 20:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Block Log Unblock -- Tilman 20:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Barbara_Schwarz#Wikipedia_article - I thought self referencing in WP was to be avoided - does this sit well with you? - Glen 19:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your efforts in trying to save your article from deletion, but I request that you please don't make the AfD on Tilman Hausherr an edit war. I know you may think his nom for AfD was in bad faith, and it's probably true, but leave that matter to the admins. Just contribute to the discussion at hand, not making accusations.
If you continue to do so, I will seek admin intervention upon on you, and you could possibly get banned from Wikipedia.
Note: I'm not sending this message to you only. I'm sending it to all involved parties.
-- Nishkid64 21:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello Tilman, this discussion [3] might be of interest to you. Hope you can consider some input there. Orsini 14:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
You ought to see this. Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Barbara_Schwarz
I am surprised you are defending the blatantly poor POV editing that predominates the Quentin Hubbard article. You do not seem to grasp the difference between a fact and an opinion. You also do not apply WP:RS in this case. That smacks of a POV agenda on your part.-- Fahrenheit451 14:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, mixed that one up. See "ZAK (Politmagazin)" in the German wikipedia [4]. I added ZAPP to the disambiguation page ( Zapp). However, I question your indiscriminative reversal of my other edits based on that error. Please review WP:RS#Using online and self-published sources. Cheers. Kosmopolis 11:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any specific suggestions on how to improve the Norton S. Karno article? I deliberately didn't go into any details, simply stating that Karno was "involved" in the IRS debacle, since that much we can safely say without venturing into conspiracy theory and hearsay. Since you raised the issue elsewhere, I'm open to suggestions regarding changes. wikipediatrix 15:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm interested in getting input from other editors about getting more info about Digital Lightwave assembled and represented on Wikipedia, since the subject is extremely Scientology-related, involving David Miscavige's sister Denise Licciardi, Doug Dohring, Norton S. Karno, Greta Van Susteren, and Scientology attorneys Michael Baum and George W. Murgatroyd. Since you expressed concern recently about the Karno article, I thought I'd fly this by you. The Digital Lightwave story is such a convoluted labyrinth I'm hoping there are other editors who understand it better than I. wikipediatrix 16:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Tilman. I don't want to jump headfirst into the Anti-Cult Movement talk page yet, but I think that the article is pretty biased. For example, the statement "In the 1960s and early 1970s, middle-class youths started to follow new religious movements, such as..." is biased because it begs the question of whether "new religious movement" is a valid label or not. It assumes that these groups are NRMs as defined by Barker et al, something which is unverifiable and disputable. Ditto "Opposition to NRMs in the general public grew after the mass suicide...". In fact the constant use of "NRM" without justifying the use of the term seems to me to be extrememly biased. Have you tried fighting this war on that article? It seems like Barker and her like are having their way. What do you think? Tanaats 03:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi again Tilman,
I notice that the cult-oriented articles are rife with the term "anti-cultist", which I deem to be a pejorative.
I like this quote "The use of terminology such as “Anti-Cult Movement” (ACM) and “Pro-Cult Movement” (PCM), “anti-cultist” and “pro-cultist” or “cult apologist” are examples of divisive labels that are hardly conducive to encouraging dialogue or discernment. Such labels often function, to use Dr. Robert Lifton’s terminology, as “thought-terminating clichés.” We tag the label on somebody who disagrees with us and delude ourselves into thinking that by so doing we have demonstrated an understanding of an issue. My criticism of these kinds of labels does not mean that I oppose all use of labels. Labels are categories, and categories are essential to thought. What is important is how we use the labels." [5].
I may take a shot at objecting to the term. I'm thinking of proposing "cult critic" (which I found in the above article) as a replacement. What do you think? And do you think I have a chance? Tanaats 01:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi. In case you're not watching Opposition to cults and new religious movements I thought you might like to know that the Scn section is gone. I tried to put it back but got rv'd by Jossi. I certainly think that it belongs in the article. Tanaats 23:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this Please be careful with what you write on edit summaries, in particular on biographies of living people. Consider this a first BLP warning. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Just thought you should know -- Unless I'm very much mistaken, the "Michael Snoeck" whose pages Jpierreg keeps trying to add as external links to Church of Spiritual Technology is actually Olberon ( talk · contribs) who frequently added those external links himself. -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Please do not accuse me of bad faith. It is not my job to pick and choose through a heap of consecutive edits made by someone that was ignoring link policy to pick out the good bits. (This is not even to mention the OR and unsourced nature of his remarks which is reason enough to pull them, i.e. there were no good bits, but I am not fighting that war there . . . yet.) It was his edit - he can do it. I invited him to come back and do it right. The fact that you were willing to do the work for him (although you repeated the same errors of OR and unsourced) is admirable but it does make not my action "bad faith". -- Justanother 06:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, thanks for your prompt reversions of scn article edits done without discussion.-- Fahrenheit451 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not revert perfectly reasonable edits that have been made--mostly to make the text conform to the sources--without discussing your reasons for the reversions on the appropriate talk page. BabyDweezil 17:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not insert wording such as "There has been widespread speculation" into biographies of living people. That phrase is classic weasel wording, as it manages to imply much and state nothing. Please don't reinsert it until you enumerate exactly who is doing the speculating, and what their credentials are to speculate. FCYTravis 08:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Putting rumors, gossip, opinions purely out of speculation isn't justified by saying who it's from. It's still putting your opinion in there so stop it. 24.69.67.173 01:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I just recently read the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potters_House_Christian_Fellowship in the section criticism of the church there are several errors that do not represent the actual facts, in paragraph 2. Namely- "Further, supporters of the Potter's House allege that some critics have ulterior motives and have engaged in deceptive tactics to inflate their apparent numbers on the internet".
This statement has a bias in that it does NOT demonstrate or show the objections to the church are FROM former members including pastors. It also carries with it the assumption the critics are liars or deceivers which is slander and is not true and has not be proven. I think the fact that the majority of the objections are from eye witnesses themselves not the cult awareness groups, even Rick Ross interviews ex-members and gets the information directly from the people themselves. This is very relevant and should be placed within the section "critics of the church" to demonstrate the "neutrality" of the acticle. Furthermore links should be provided to a site I have looked over called the firstplumbline, which contains extensive "current up-to-date" information and resources including video and audio clips from the potters house preahers themselves. I also ask that lnks to discussion groups be added as further resoures the crackpots and escape from the fellowship. Please explain how come user [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Potters_house potters house is permitted to provide links to HIS OWN sites as references and resources and I not provide links to sites that are run by neutral parties.
I request that you allow me to keep te additions I have made to the acticle. I will also contact Nick whom I know and have been talking with for 5 months on the yahoo discussion group. I also ask in good faith and in your integrity that you give good reasons why the section should NOT be edited. Thank you Darren Smith.
As was stated in the mediation between Tilman, Antaeus Felspar and Potters house, the links provided are poor quality links which was agreed too by all parties. This person is only concerned with slandering the church as anyone can plainly see by his contributions. I held back from several "poor" quality anti Rick Ross links on the condition that the poor quality links made by Neil Taylor (both the anti Rick Ross site and the Cracked Pots sites were made by him) was also removed. If these links are allowed then I will be forced to make a high quality webpage at http://www.newsau.com which deals with Ross and other slanderers of the church. Obviously this person has no desire to further knowledge on Wikipedia out of good will, but desires to slander the church and myself. If this continues I will be forced to mediate again.
He also has these links on his page Darrenss which is obviously there to link to these pages. In accordance with Wikipedia policies and the guidelines we have set up concerning the poor quality links, these links should be banned and he should not be put on the user’s page. As was discussed during the mediation, Ken Haining, who runs the link escape from the fellowship also runs a group defaming me claiming that I am a homosexual and have left the church. It is very tiring to see the same issues brought up on Wikipedia, and if continued I will be forced pursue this matter legally which will require all parties involved to give statements. I am sure that you agree that it is much better to stick to the former agreements. Thanks. Potters house 14:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Please note that Rick Ross has nothing to do with any of these links I've provided. The crackpots is a discussion group NOT a website with slanderous material. The firstplumbline is an independant cult awareness site that has extensively researched the potters house and has current information from new stories to potters house own sermon clips which people can benifit from. Does Rick Ross have exclusive rights given by the potters house or does the freedom of information allow for other informed current sites to be displayed?? The user will not permit it to be said that objections have come over the last 30 years from ex-members themselves (who have actually been hurt and abused from the group), a fact the user refuses to let the public know about in a responsible manner. Please note that Ken Haining has nothing to do with the fistplumbline and is only the moderator of the escape from the fellowship group and the user Potters House is the one who has slandered Ken who was a Potters House pastor for 20 years. Please be factual with your remarks thank you. user:darrenss 14:50 February 2007
Much more is being said here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xiahou Thanks. Potters house 04:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I have left that article long ago, now that I have checked it, to my surprise (don't know if I am really surprised), Chimoy followers are once more using it as their server. Something must be done about that. Fad (ix) 00:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, I am out of 3RR on that one and it will need to go up for RfC anyway as I am sure that you can find some others to back you up on the "suicide suggestion" from non-RS source. But riddle me this please. Why would you put this back? That is a shameful non-RS, POV, mockery unless you think that Gale actually wrote that. What would make you thnk that?
-- Justanother 05:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
If you have time, would you mind giving your perspective on User:BabyDweezil and his/her treatment of you on the Schwarz page? Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Barbara Schwarz. Thanks Anynobody 06:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to take matters off the Barbar Schwarz talk page, User:BabyDweezil forced my hand so to speak by setting up a complaint on WP:BLPN. The observations I've made on the BLPN are observations I've held to myself and would have continued to do so until matters went to a WP board. Again sorry, this wasn't my idea. Anynobody 08:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Sure, Anynobody, one final thought. Just remember that "assume good faith" means "expend effort to do so", IMO. If you need to, if it is not coming easily. It means take all those niggling doubts about people's motives and make the effort to set them aside and make the effort to assume good faith. Make the effort to assume that when someone says they will help another with seeing that if the article can go away, they mean that they will put it up for the community to decide if it belongs here, not interfere with the process, and abide by the decision of the community. Make the effort to assume that when someone says Tilman has a conflict of interest, that they believe that Tilman's fighting and ridiculing this person for years on usenet means that he should leave it to neutral editors since he clearly is not neutral on her. And when I say we don't have any proof she was the president of the Church, please make the effort to assume I simply mean that we do this encyclopedia a disservice to rely on usenet rumor that someone with the same common name is the person that filed those FOIA requests. If you read WP:BLP, that is what we are supposed to do, insist on good sources! High quality sources and we have none. Yet some would put in the encyclopedia that the FOIA person was past president, just based on usenet. Maybe she was, I don't know and I don't care (really), it is just we don't have a source. Assume good faith takes work, sometimes, my friend. But it is work worth doing. Otherwise you find yourself going out on limbs attacking people's motives (see WP:NAM, really, read that one all the way through) and avoiding that is the least of the benefits of AGF. The real benefit is a spiritual one but that is a matter of personal belief. I even AGF Tilman that his activities, that I feel are repressive of religious freedom in his own country, are based on his heartfelt beliefs of the "dangers" of these groups and while I think he is as misguided as he no doubt thinks I am, I think we each AGF on the part of the other (though he doesn't like me ribbing him, smile). If we can, I imagine that you should be able to. -- Justanother 12:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to move this discussion over to the WP:BLPN, since this conversation seems more appropriate there than on Tilman's talk page. Anynobody 03:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, didn't you have a page at one point that kept track of all the people on the Internet who've called you a Nazi? It almost seems as though a new corollary to Godwin's Law needs to be added for you: "If a participant in a Usenet discussion lives in Germany, he will be called a Nazi at the first sign of any disagreement whatsoever." I'm having a little trouble finding this page, however; could you provide the URL? -- Modemac 15:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tilman. I'm currently mediating a case into which you're involved.
Please take a look of the case here.
For a successful mediation, I need to hear every position and its arguments, including yours, of course ;-).
So, please voice your opinion on the case's talk page.
I'm at your disposal for every question.
Happy editing,
Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 18:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Tilman. please provide another screenshot showing your software being used to link-check a non-controversial site. Otherwise I will have to challenge the screenshot provided. For example, try this one, http://www.calraisins.org/ Thanks. -- Justanother 18:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
{{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat|This screenshot image of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]] (which I created myself today) can be used freely anywhere ("fair use") for illustration of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]], but it should be properly attributed to me [ [[Tilman Hausherr]] ]. --[[User:Tilman|Tilman]] 19:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)}}
Which would yield:
{{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat|This screenshot image of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]] (which I created myself today) can be used freely anywhere ("fair use") for illustration of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]], but it should be properly attributed to me[ [[Tilman Hausherr]] ]. --[[User:Tilman|Tilman]] 19:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)}} Smee 20:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
I have taken on the mediation case involving Steven Hassan. I am contacting all involved parties. If there is someone else who has been involved in the disagreement, please let me know so I can invite them to participate. Please indicate if you accept my assistance on the case page. I also have posted a question about compromise. Cheers!! Vassyana 13:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Just so you know, I've created subpages so each side can draft what they are looking for in the article. Go ahead and check out the case page and participate as you have time. If you have any concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. Vassyana 18:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
You have your own sandbox to work with now. Sign off as Done if you're satisfied with the current state of the section. See case page. Vassyana 17:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
John196920022001 has declined to continue mediation. I have asked him to be sure he wishes to end informal mediation. If he still chooses to withdraw, would you object to the case being closed since you support the current version, along with the other participant? Please let me know. I apologize this mediation might not be resolved acceptably to all parties. Take care. Vassyana 05:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A truce has been proposed to keep mediation going and on track. Please review the truce and comment, accept or reject as appropriate. Vassyana 03:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for signing on to the truce. I hope it allows us to move forward and build good faith. I've asked John to review his draft, so we can move forward from where we left off. Thanks again for you patience and cooperation. Take care. Vassyana 13:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Tilman, with the AfD on Barbara Schwarz over I've decided to try to start up another WP:RfC on Justanother. Since I have only edited with him on one page, I was hoping you'd be willing to share your experiences on other pages with him. Orsini had suggested you as a second for this when the AfD was still going on, and I was still trying to get it going then. Since that time I decided to postpone the RfC, Orsini and Smee changed their minds and decided to partcipate, and Justanother continues to be Justanother (which I think is why Orsini and Smee changed their minds). I'd still like to take Orsini's advice and include you as well. I think it would help paint a clearer picture of Justanother's behavior as seen by several editors. Thanks, Anynobody 04:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem, it actually hasn't been created it yet as a formal RfC. I've created a section on my talk page to get ideas together. I didn't include this link User_talk:Anynobody#Justanother_RfC_v2.0.a_talk in the invitation, because I felt it would be presumptuous to assume you'd be interested. Also, I feel I should "warn" you that Justanother has found it already. Anynobody 05:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The WP:RFC may be on soon check this out Justanothers abuse of Wikipedia Backfires.
I self nominated on WP:RFA and he turned up and did me the favor of being himself. When he tried to make an issue out of something on my user page, they suggested a WP:RFC. Are you still interested? Anynobody 08:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
That's ok, thanks anyway. Anynobody 02:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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I have witnessed elsewhere in another wikipedia that such attacks result in counter attacks, and at the end, some discussion spaces become a hell where everyone is just frustrated. - What other Wikipedia are you referring to? Smee 20:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC).
I have witnessed elsewhere in another wikipedia that such attacks result in counter attacks, and at the end, some discussion spaces become a hell where everyone is just frustrated.
Misou's remarks were out of line.
And I'll make the same suggestion to you that I made to Smee... Perhaps you are not the best person to point out that an attack on you was inappropriate. That takes the battle to the other person, and as the quote above suggests, serves to escalate the situation.
It is always better to assume that the attack, however inappropriate, was out of frustration and not out of malice.
If your goal is truly a civilized outcome, sometimes its better to allow another party to defend you.
If you are ever in need of such assistance, you are welcome to ask. I do not believe personal attacks are appropriate and I will say so, no matter who does it.
-Peace in God Lsi john 20:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tilman,
I’m a skeptic too. In fact I and another skeptic debunked the The Bélmez case.
I have noticed that in you edit summary you wrote “rv, citations are in Quentin Hubbard” about the sentence “Quentin attempted suicide in 1974 and then died in 1976 under mysterious circumstances that might have been a suicide or a murder” in the Hubbard article.
I just want to call you attention that per WP policies we have to repeat the source in another article. In other words, ironically other WP articles are not considered reliable sources. (I learnt this from a Feldaspar edit in the antipsychiatry article.)
P.S. And maybe we don't need </ blockquote> signs when using those big quotation marks.
Cheers! :)
— Cesar Tort 17:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Pages: Golden Age of Tech & Patter drill. Reverting valid links is vandalism. Your reason given was "(rv link to NWO conspiracy page)". There is no NWO conspiracy anywhere found at given link!!! You may be should check out more carefully the data found at some link, before you discard of it. The link provided for is fully valid.-- Olberon 23:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
The data found at the page linked to should be able to defend itself. You ignore the referencing that is found at that page. Also noted that you removed a link on page Rundown (Scientology). This time again you note at the history page there: "removed link to "new world order" page". Consulting that page reveals that you are entirely delusional about that. Either way I have no interest to battle this kind of foolish illiteracy. Time can be spend in much better ways.-- Olberon 12:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Here we have 2, conspiring to sabotage the flow of information existing on Wikipedia. From the external links rules page: "When assessing external links you need to simply ask yourself the question: Why is the link not used as a source for the article? If the answer is "because it is not a reliable source," then don't link. If the answer is, "that link is a great resource that complies with the verifiability policy,", then you can link and hopefully someone else would add material from the source to the article."-- Olberon 18:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
- "Some will understand what I talk about here, others will not or choose to be in denial. Sure, you need some courage and make some little effort to do this, and many will try to explain-away it. Some persons I notice have interpreted this querying as something that may turn into some time craving menace of some sort that will continue to occupy their time and bother them in the coming future."
- "What is the price of freedom? The reality is that one also has to be considerate towards others if one is aiming for freedom for oneself. If an error has been made, then one has an obligation to correct the incorrectness. If not, others will be judged also by it! And do not think for a moment that it will not affect you the receiver of the Order. I am afraid that it certainly will."
- "Of course, be it that the declare Order is actually correct! Well, then forget all what I said in the above, as it will not be for you!"
Is informal mediation still needed for Steven Hassan? What has been going on with the article lately, in your view? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vassyana ( talk • contribs) 22:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
WP:EL requires WP:RS. Lsi john 04:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I do enjoy good engaging conversation, yes. As to which article in particular that referred to, I don't recall. I remember posting it here to avoid distracting the conversation in the discussion, but unfortunately I do not recall which article. I believe you either reverted an item in or out and said that WP:EL applied and I was pointing out that WP:RS also applies to WP:EL. I believe the other editor was challenging the WP:RS of the link. It isn't really that important. Lsi john 16:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
FYI Through checkuser COFS/CSI LA were determined to be operating from the same IP. There is a review of the block being discussed here: User talk:Coelacan#COFS and CSI LA, since you have experience with them I was hoping you'd comment if you have time. Anynobody 03:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Please do not repeatedly [ remove] relevant and cited material from this article. This material is relevant to the article and speaks directly to the credibility of the person making the unfounded and unsubstantiated charges. It is not libelous, the material is cited and is true and correct. Lsi john 20:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Evidence is often allowed into court cases in order to refute the credibility of a witness.
Based on the above, it is more than reasonable to allow a rebuttal citation which speaks to the credibility of the charge.
If including one unsubstantiated allegation is legitimate, so is including a character rebuttal.
As I stated in my 3O comments, I personally feel neither are relevant.
You are simply trying to create controversy around YHRI where none exists. If controversy really exists, go find cited material which establishes YHRI in wrong doing. Stop including smoke filled speculation and allegation, rumor and innuendo.
Lsi john 21:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
By the way, technically you are 4R on that article. I started to report it and changed my mind. It would have been reporting out of revenge and I choose not to go there.
I'd rather show good faith and hope for the same in return.
Peace in God. Lsi john 19:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Lsi john 19:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time.
Ok, see this diff [15] - now the differences between "your" last version and "mine" are no longer that big. -- Tilman 20:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tillman, I am making two changes on the Doug Dohring site. Before this gets into "revert wars" I would like to ask you about these. (I made these changes before and you quickly reverted them. These were marked as anonymous because at the time I was having trouble logging in (I'm on Hughes Net which has log in problems. I just got help on this yesterday).
I am deleting "Previously, he was the owner of Digital Lightwave, the troubled Clearwater, Florida maker of fiber-optic testing equipment. The company was later accused of numerous financial misdealings. [1][2] ". Doug Dohring was never an owner of Digital Lightwave. He was an executive employee who resigned before any of these financial misdealings were even alleged to have taken place. The first reference you give makes no reference to Doug Dohring's being involved at all. The second reference you give is a blank page.
I am also deleting "an organization linked with spamvertising." You give no reference to this currently, but when you have a reference up on this before it was a link to a journal entry, which is not a credible source. The entry was a girl who was annoyed at opening her browser and seeing "another ad from Speedyclick". While I grant she may have been annoyed, this is not "spamvertising" per Wikipedia's own definition, "Spamvertising is the practice of sending E-mail spam, advertising a website. In this case, it is a portmanteau of the words "spam" and "advertising". It also refers to vandalizing wikis, blogs and online forums with hyperlinks in order to get a higher search engine ranking for the vandal's website." There is no evidence anywhere that Speedyclick was involved in these activities.
I am also deleting "later deemed worthless[6]" regarding the sale of the Speedyclick stock, becaues the reference you give makes no mention at all of Speedyclick or the value of its stock. It is about companies being delisted. As important, I don't know what relevance this has to a person's bio. You don't say when the stock was "deemed worthless", and we really don't know if he could have sold his stock before that point, if the entire company could have changed hands before that point, etc. This just has nothing to do with the individual you are doing the bio on.
Thanks for reviewing this.
TashiD 18:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Btw, may I point you to WP:COI? Just in case this applies to you :-) -- Tilman 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
ok this belongs more appropiately on the discussion page for the site so I'll move it over there. Not sure what you mean by a conflict of interest, but not important. I don't work for him, if that's what you mean. TashiD 05:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Stop deleting references as you did here. Come one, you know better than that. COFS 18:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive content to Wikipedia, as you did to Church of Scientology. Also your edits at Stephen A. Kent appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
Are you still the same Tilman there? COFS 01:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, please take a look at this Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eugene_Martin_Ingram.-- Fahrenheit451 23:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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I've put some of it back, although I expect it to be vandalized again, with new theories that claim to be Wikipedia policy but aren't.
I do know that in one article or book, it was written that after the Tamimi affair, Ingram had to leave the US for some time until things would get quiet. Sadly I haven't found it yet. -- Tilman 09:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
If you really wanted it to stop, you'd stop posting too. Lsi john 16:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to David Miscavige. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. COFS 18:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey Tilman, your recent edit over at Scientology expressed concern over the direction the article was/is taking. Shoot me a message on my talk page or join in on the article talk. Personally, I have been thinking the last couple days seem to have been going very well and some ussually difficult issues seem to have reached fair consensus. ( RookZERO 05:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
Interesting article: [16] -- Fahrenheit451 23:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The reason I'm posting is that I've become involved in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS, and want to cite as evidence the time a couple of months ago when you were compared to Hitler's mouthpiece by CSI LA on the Talk:L. Ron Hubbard page:
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I am really sick of ur language skills... -- Homer Landskirty 09:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh! Btw.: It is not possible to force a member country to comply to the opinion of the judges of ECHR... Turkey seems to be an example... Psychiatry is another example of slightly different quality (here neither the opinion of the judges nor the member countries comply to the relevant conventions and protocols)... But I dont care anymore in this point... I simply refuse to take any responsibility for the corresponding actions and their consequences... TubbyByeBye-- Homer Landskirty 20:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
This might come in handy: External links *.digl-watch.com AndroidCat 17:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Snoek is next: [18] -- Tilman 05:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
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Hello, can you explain why you insist on stating that "out of 3000 lectures only 40 have been released?" Ever since 1986, when the PDC was first released on cassette, that was already 62 lectures. Hundreds of lectures were released on cassette before the church started to release them on CD starting in 2002 with a release of the PDC (76 lectures). By July 2007, I counted more than 500 lectures released on CD. Adding that to the ones released on cassette ans subtracting the duplicates, the number probably exceeds 1000. And please do not tell me there is no source. You can pick the Bridge or New Era catalogs or even the Materaisl Guide Chart. If I sound upset, it's because I spent 10 years on my life translating these 500 lectures. I don't take well to people reducing that to zero. --
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Give me a good reason why not to block you as well for 3RR violation as I did with User:Su-Jada. You are an experienced editor and should know better than editwar. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Re 'Freezone survivors' website: please read the discussion page, this has been disputed before and should be discussed not used for yet another revert war. Messages also sent to others involved and discussion section opened. -- Hartley Patterson 21:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I am adding yours and Vivaldi's WP:COI in having anything to do with Barb's article to the current COI arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS. -- Justanother 14:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see this, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Scientology_Justice-- Fahrenheit451 21:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tillman, wanna get together for some Berliner Weisse? You that guy with the glasses (link deleted by Misou after he was put on personal attack warning)? Misou 22:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Berliner Weisse mit Schuß oder ohne Schuß? -- Justanother 17:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, I reverted some attempted historical revisionism by User:Wikipediatrix today.-- Fahrenheit451 20:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipediatrix, if Tilman and I are pals as you state, then you should not have any problem with my ensuring that he is not attacked and harassed by cofs-directed editors like User:Misou and his pals. Are you one of those?-- Fahrenheit451 20:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipediatrix, stop playing games. I watch pages for vandalism and other violations of Wikipedia policy. I see that you did nothing to report you pal User:Misou's personal attack on Tilman. Have a good day.-- Fahrenheit451 20:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, I had a quick look. I don't mind edits like this
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Fahrenheit451. Misou made a personal attack which has no place on my talk page. The best would probably be to delete all sections related to Misou's attack, including the attack, including the discussion about Wikipediatrix activities here. And I would ask Wikipediatrix to stay away from my talk page unless it is really needed. --
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21:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipediatrix, another violation of WP:AGF from you again: "It's about F451 creating a header over another editor's post creating the illusion that they created that header" and "I knew you wouldn't object to F451's little redecoration makeover of your page,". Did not Tilman just instruct you to stay away from his talk page? Are you paying attention?-- Fahrenheit451 01:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
All right, then this thread is hereby terminated. Please respect Tilman's wishes.-- Fahrenheit451 02:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
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Hello there, I realize you're on an extended hiatus but on the off chance you check in every so often I have a question. Being someone of experience related to both subjects I was wondering if you ever recall any discussion related to a specific aspect of Schwarz's behavior in German sources. That being the tenets of Scientology related to psychiatrists, and her belief in them, has essentially locked her into mental illness. Thanks. Anynobody 08:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm sure the person Heinemann is referring to has to be Schwarz, but unfortunately doubt it's strong enough to do what I was hoping for. (How frustrating, perhaps the most relevant issue about her and Scientology is the fact that it tells her to avoid the cure as though the plague. Someday I'm hoping another paper will do a Scientology series like the LA Times did or something, which mentions her sad predicament and just how much the "tech" has helped her adjust.) Anynobody 05:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I feel compelled to correct your assertion. I'm actually describing the current situation and predicting the future. She clearly has sanity issues which the COS has not corrected (don't forget, she still calls herself a Scientologist and says she was kicked out), moreover because it tells her that psychiatry is murder she's never going to get any better. Anynobody 04:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
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JustanotherHulk, Consider that perhaps it would be better if you had posted your concerns on WP:BLPN if you believe that the arbcom decision is worthy of being followed and there are really egregious BLP violations occurring here. Anynobody 01:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Tilman we all know the order of events, but consider looking at this as Misou described it. If that were correct, and Scientology really cared about people (and worked), why aren't they trying to get a hold of her so she can get "help"? While I personally think it's not really a WP:BLP issue, you might consider removing the detailed description which doesn't appear in any articles here (for now, things do change). Anynobody 01:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Like I've always said, I find her use of gov't resources in pursuit of nothing to be way more interesting than her Scientology saga. (Obviously they are both related though :) Anyway I got a hold of a civil case that brings together a lot of information, 98-2406 (HHK) Anynobody 05:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
You're very welcome, and thank you too. I believe the article has been added to further since your post. The court decision yesterday will have a ripple effect; I expect additional developments soon. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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Just a heads-up, but AI ( talk · contribs), for some reason, seems hell-bent on removing {{scientology-stub}} from Tilman Hausherr. -- Calton | Talk 07:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Tilman is a German critic of Scientology, that does not mean he is Scientology-related. -- AI 02:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
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Please see WP:AUTO in regard of editing an article about yourself, or editing articles that refer to you. Happy editing! ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 17:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi Tilman... I'd like to use one of your images of the Super Power Building (specifically, this one) to illustrate the Super Power Building article. If you don't have the original handy, I can photoshop out the text. Let me know.... thanks, wikipediatrix 02:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, well, look what the cat dragged in ... ;-)
Howdy, and welkommen! I think you'll find Wikipedia a more congenial place to work than alt.religion.unification but that the standards of verifiablity and neutrality can be difficult to abide by.
We sure had some fun conversations years ago: do you remember Dan Fefferman? -- Uncle Ed 20:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You made comment about my personal opinion at Talk:R2-45. You stated, But you did give your opinion that R2-45 is a joke. Now suddenly you "lost" your opinion? --Tilman 08:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC) I want you to understand, I am perfectly willing to talk about my opinion and do not mean to preclude such discussion. However, for purposes of article development, one individual's personal opinion only has a certain amount of weight. I don't feel it is appropriate to tie up a lot of the discussion page with why my opinion is better than anyone else's or with why my opinion comes from more education in Scientology than anyone else's. The article's talk page is usually not a useful place to discuss personal opinion. However, I am willing to discuss my personal opinion. Here on your user page or on my user page would be a more appropriate venue to discuss my opinion, to get into communication, to understand what each other means by specific issues that might unduly tie up an article's disucssion page. I see you have migrated from alt.religion.scientology and that Mr. Gerard has talked with you a little. I therefore understand your background in asking if I have lost my opinion. I replied. Is there more you wish to discuss? Terryeo 16:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Also worth noting is the simplicity. "Have you lost your opinion", can be construed to be more that an innocent question. I see you are a new editor on Wikipedia and, perhaps, you have not viewed some of the personal attack policies, such as WP:POINT. Terryeo 17:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Please stop your personal attacks. At [2]you state: Please stop wasting our time, you have been presented with evidence that "inside the church" is indeed correct. I spell the situation out there and ask you to stop your personal attacks. You are a new editor on Wikipedia, I therefore remind you once again to address your comments toward building articles, rather than attacking individual editors. WP:PAIN spells out my options when attacked and spells out your options as attacker. Please stop your personal attacks, User:Tilman Terryeo 16:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Tilman, there has been a history of certain problem users who seem to regard other users who disagree with them as editing in bad faith and treat them with incivility. These few users falsely accuse those who disagree with them of personal attacks. I don't think such folks will be tolerated much longer here on the wiki. Just offering my personal opinion.-- Fahrenheit451 00:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure you remember our friend "Nick" with his crusade to make sure his link to an "anonymous organization" calling Rick Ross a homosexual gets into the 'pedia one way or another. It probably isn't a surprise that he's doing it at Potter's House Christian Fellowship, and using "logic" that amounts to "either I get to insert these anonymous smear sites, or I get to remove any URLs to sites that say things about Potter's House that I don't like." Oh, and he also thinks that he doesn't actually need a citation for "Rick Ross calls Potter's House a cult"; he thinks all you need to know is that Rick Ross hates cults and that is all the proof you need that he calls Potter's House one. Would you keep an eye on the article? -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
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Barbara_Schwarz#Wikipedia_article - I thought self referencing in WP was to be avoided - does this sit well with you? - Glen 19:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your efforts in trying to save your article from deletion, but I request that you please don't make the AfD on Tilman Hausherr an edit war. I know you may think his nom for AfD was in bad faith, and it's probably true, but leave that matter to the admins. Just contribute to the discussion at hand, not making accusations.
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Hello Tilman, this discussion [3] might be of interest to you. Hope you can consider some input there. Orsini 14:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
You ought to see this. Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Barbara_Schwarz
I am surprised you are defending the blatantly poor POV editing that predominates the Quentin Hubbard article. You do not seem to grasp the difference between a fact and an opinion. You also do not apply WP:RS in this case. That smacks of a POV agenda on your part.-- Fahrenheit451 14:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, mixed that one up. See "ZAK (Politmagazin)" in the German wikipedia [4]. I added ZAPP to the disambiguation page ( Zapp). However, I question your indiscriminative reversal of my other edits based on that error. Please review WP:RS#Using online and self-published sources. Cheers. Kosmopolis 11:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any specific suggestions on how to improve the Norton S. Karno article? I deliberately didn't go into any details, simply stating that Karno was "involved" in the IRS debacle, since that much we can safely say without venturing into conspiracy theory and hearsay. Since you raised the issue elsewhere, I'm open to suggestions regarding changes. wikipediatrix 15:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm interested in getting input from other editors about getting more info about Digital Lightwave assembled and represented on Wikipedia, since the subject is extremely Scientology-related, involving David Miscavige's sister Denise Licciardi, Doug Dohring, Norton S. Karno, Greta Van Susteren, and Scientology attorneys Michael Baum and George W. Murgatroyd. Since you expressed concern recently about the Karno article, I thought I'd fly this by you. The Digital Lightwave story is such a convoluted labyrinth I'm hoping there are other editors who understand it better than I. wikipediatrix 16:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Tilman. I don't want to jump headfirst into the Anti-Cult Movement talk page yet, but I think that the article is pretty biased. For example, the statement "In the 1960s and early 1970s, middle-class youths started to follow new religious movements, such as..." is biased because it begs the question of whether "new religious movement" is a valid label or not. It assumes that these groups are NRMs as defined by Barker et al, something which is unverifiable and disputable. Ditto "Opposition to NRMs in the general public grew after the mass suicide...". In fact the constant use of "NRM" without justifying the use of the term seems to me to be extrememly biased. Have you tried fighting this war on that article? It seems like Barker and her like are having their way. What do you think? Tanaats 03:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi again Tilman,
I notice that the cult-oriented articles are rife with the term "anti-cultist", which I deem to be a pejorative.
I like this quote "The use of terminology such as “Anti-Cult Movement” (ACM) and “Pro-Cult Movement” (PCM), “anti-cultist” and “pro-cultist” or “cult apologist” are examples of divisive labels that are hardly conducive to encouraging dialogue or discernment. Such labels often function, to use Dr. Robert Lifton’s terminology, as “thought-terminating clichés.” We tag the label on somebody who disagrees with us and delude ourselves into thinking that by so doing we have demonstrated an understanding of an issue. My criticism of these kinds of labels does not mean that I oppose all use of labels. Labels are categories, and categories are essential to thought. What is important is how we use the labels." [5].
I may take a shot at objecting to the term. I'm thinking of proposing "cult critic" (which I found in the above article) as a replacement. What do you think? And do you think I have a chance? Tanaats 01:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi. In case you're not watching Opposition to cults and new religious movements I thought you might like to know that the Scn section is gone. I tried to put it back but got rv'd by Jossi. I certainly think that it belongs in the article. Tanaats 23:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this Please be careful with what you write on edit summaries, in particular on biographies of living people. Consider this a first BLP warning. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Just thought you should know -- Unless I'm very much mistaken, the "Michael Snoeck" whose pages Jpierreg keeps trying to add as external links to Church of Spiritual Technology is actually Olberon ( talk · contribs) who frequently added those external links himself. -- Antaeus Feldspar 19:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. Please do not accuse me of bad faith. It is not my job to pick and choose through a heap of consecutive edits made by someone that was ignoring link policy to pick out the good bits. (This is not even to mention the OR and unsourced nature of his remarks which is reason enough to pull them, i.e. there were no good bits, but I am not fighting that war there . . . yet.) It was his edit - he can do it. I invited him to come back and do it right. The fact that you were willing to do the work for him (although you repeated the same errors of OR and unsourced) is admirable but it does make not my action "bad faith". -- Justanother 06:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, thanks for your prompt reversions of scn article edits done without discussion.-- Fahrenheit451 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not revert perfectly reasonable edits that have been made--mostly to make the text conform to the sources--without discussing your reasons for the reversions on the appropriate talk page. BabyDweezil 17:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Please do not insert wording such as "There has been widespread speculation" into biographies of living people. That phrase is classic weasel wording, as it manages to imply much and state nothing. Please don't reinsert it until you enumerate exactly who is doing the speculating, and what their credentials are to speculate. FCYTravis 08:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Putting rumors, gossip, opinions purely out of speculation isn't justified by saying who it's from. It's still putting your opinion in there so stop it. 24.69.67.173 01:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I just recently read the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potters_House_Christian_Fellowship in the section criticism of the church there are several errors that do not represent the actual facts, in paragraph 2. Namely- "Further, supporters of the Potter's House allege that some critics have ulterior motives and have engaged in deceptive tactics to inflate their apparent numbers on the internet".
This statement has a bias in that it does NOT demonstrate or show the objections to the church are FROM former members including pastors. It also carries with it the assumption the critics are liars or deceivers which is slander and is not true and has not be proven. I think the fact that the majority of the objections are from eye witnesses themselves not the cult awareness groups, even Rick Ross interviews ex-members and gets the information directly from the people themselves. This is very relevant and should be placed within the section "critics of the church" to demonstrate the "neutrality" of the acticle. Furthermore links should be provided to a site I have looked over called the firstplumbline, which contains extensive "current up-to-date" information and resources including video and audio clips from the potters house preahers themselves. I also ask that lnks to discussion groups be added as further resoures the crackpots and escape from the fellowship. Please explain how come user [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Potters_house potters house is permitted to provide links to HIS OWN sites as references and resources and I not provide links to sites that are run by neutral parties.
I request that you allow me to keep te additions I have made to the acticle. I will also contact Nick whom I know and have been talking with for 5 months on the yahoo discussion group. I also ask in good faith and in your integrity that you give good reasons why the section should NOT be edited. Thank you Darren Smith.
As was stated in the mediation between Tilman, Antaeus Felspar and Potters house, the links provided are poor quality links which was agreed too by all parties. This person is only concerned with slandering the church as anyone can plainly see by his contributions. I held back from several "poor" quality anti Rick Ross links on the condition that the poor quality links made by Neil Taylor (both the anti Rick Ross site and the Cracked Pots sites were made by him) was also removed. If these links are allowed then I will be forced to make a high quality webpage at http://www.newsau.com which deals with Ross and other slanderers of the church. Obviously this person has no desire to further knowledge on Wikipedia out of good will, but desires to slander the church and myself. If this continues I will be forced to mediate again.
He also has these links on his page Darrenss which is obviously there to link to these pages. In accordance with Wikipedia policies and the guidelines we have set up concerning the poor quality links, these links should be banned and he should not be put on the user’s page. As was discussed during the mediation, Ken Haining, who runs the link escape from the fellowship also runs a group defaming me claiming that I am a homosexual and have left the church. It is very tiring to see the same issues brought up on Wikipedia, and if continued I will be forced pursue this matter legally which will require all parties involved to give statements. I am sure that you agree that it is much better to stick to the former agreements. Thanks. Potters house 14:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Please note that Rick Ross has nothing to do with any of these links I've provided. The crackpots is a discussion group NOT a website with slanderous material. The firstplumbline is an independant cult awareness site that has extensively researched the potters house and has current information from new stories to potters house own sermon clips which people can benifit from. Does Rick Ross have exclusive rights given by the potters house or does the freedom of information allow for other informed current sites to be displayed?? The user will not permit it to be said that objections have come over the last 30 years from ex-members themselves (who have actually been hurt and abused from the group), a fact the user refuses to let the public know about in a responsible manner. Please note that Ken Haining has nothing to do with the fistplumbline and is only the moderator of the escape from the fellowship group and the user Potters House is the one who has slandered Ken who was a Potters House pastor for 20 years. Please be factual with your remarks thank you. user:darrenss 14:50 February 2007
Much more is being said here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xiahou Thanks. Potters house 04:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I have left that article long ago, now that I have checked it, to my surprise (don't know if I am really surprised), Chimoy followers are once more using it as their server. Something must be done about that. Fad (ix) 00:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, I am out of 3RR on that one and it will need to go up for RfC anyway as I am sure that you can find some others to back you up on the "suicide suggestion" from non-RS source. But riddle me this please. Why would you put this back? That is a shameful non-RS, POV, mockery unless you think that Gale actually wrote that. What would make you thnk that?
-- Justanother 05:39, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
If you have time, would you mind giving your perspective on User:BabyDweezil and his/her treatment of you on the Schwarz page? Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Barbara Schwarz. Thanks Anynobody 06:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry to have to take matters off the Barbar Schwarz talk page, User:BabyDweezil forced my hand so to speak by setting up a complaint on WP:BLPN. The observations I've made on the BLPN are observations I've held to myself and would have continued to do so until matters went to a WP board. Again sorry, this wasn't my idea. Anynobody 08:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Sure, Anynobody, one final thought. Just remember that "assume good faith" means "expend effort to do so", IMO. If you need to, if it is not coming easily. It means take all those niggling doubts about people's motives and make the effort to set them aside and make the effort to assume good faith. Make the effort to assume that when someone says they will help another with seeing that if the article can go away, they mean that they will put it up for the community to decide if it belongs here, not interfere with the process, and abide by the decision of the community. Make the effort to assume that when someone says Tilman has a conflict of interest, that they believe that Tilman's fighting and ridiculing this person for years on usenet means that he should leave it to neutral editors since he clearly is not neutral on her. And when I say we don't have any proof she was the president of the Church, please make the effort to assume I simply mean that we do this encyclopedia a disservice to rely on usenet rumor that someone with the same common name is the person that filed those FOIA requests. If you read WP:BLP, that is what we are supposed to do, insist on good sources! High quality sources and we have none. Yet some would put in the encyclopedia that the FOIA person was past president, just based on usenet. Maybe she was, I don't know and I don't care (really), it is just we don't have a source. Assume good faith takes work, sometimes, my friend. But it is work worth doing. Otherwise you find yourself going out on limbs attacking people's motives (see WP:NAM, really, read that one all the way through) and avoiding that is the least of the benefits of AGF. The real benefit is a spiritual one but that is a matter of personal belief. I even AGF Tilman that his activities, that I feel are repressive of religious freedom in his own country, are based on his heartfelt beliefs of the "dangers" of these groups and while I think he is as misguided as he no doubt thinks I am, I think we each AGF on the part of the other (though he doesn't like me ribbing him, smile). If we can, I imagine that you should be able to. -- Justanother 12:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to move this discussion over to the WP:BLPN, since this conversation seems more appropriate there than on Tilman's talk page. Anynobody 03:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, didn't you have a page at one point that kept track of all the people on the Internet who've called you a Nazi? It almost seems as though a new corollary to Godwin's Law needs to be added for you: "If a participant in a Usenet discussion lives in Germany, he will be called a Nazi at the first sign of any disagreement whatsoever." I'm having a little trouble finding this page, however; could you provide the URL? -- Modemac 15:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tilman. I'm currently mediating a case into which you're involved.
Please take a look of the case here.
For a successful mediation, I need to hear every position and its arguments, including yours, of course ;-).
So, please voice your opinion on the case's talk page.
I'm at your disposal for every question.
Happy editing,
Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 18:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Tilman. please provide another screenshot showing your software being used to link-check a non-controversial site. Otherwise I will have to challenge the screenshot provided. For example, try this one, http://www.calraisins.org/ Thanks. -- Justanother 18:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
{{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat|This screenshot image of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]] (which I created myself today) can be used freely anywhere ("fair use") for illustration of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]], but it should be properly attributed to me [ [[Tilman Hausherr]] ]. --[[User:Tilman|Tilman]] 19:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)}}
Which would yield:
{{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat|This screenshot image of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]] (which I created myself today) can be used freely anywhere ("fair use") for illustration of [[Xenu's Link Sleuth]], but it should be properly attributed to me[ [[Tilman Hausherr]] ]. --[[User:Tilman|Tilman]] 19:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)}} Smee 20:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
I have taken on the mediation case involving Steven Hassan. I am contacting all involved parties. If there is someone else who has been involved in the disagreement, please let me know so I can invite them to participate. Please indicate if you accept my assistance on the case page. I also have posted a question about compromise. Cheers!! Vassyana 13:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Just so you know, I've created subpages so each side can draft what they are looking for in the article. Go ahead and check out the case page and participate as you have time. If you have any concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. Vassyana 18:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
You have your own sandbox to work with now. Sign off as Done if you're satisfied with the current state of the section. See case page. Vassyana 17:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
John196920022001 has declined to continue mediation. I have asked him to be sure he wishes to end informal mediation. If he still chooses to withdraw, would you object to the case being closed since you support the current version, along with the other participant? Please let me know. I apologize this mediation might not be resolved acceptably to all parties. Take care. Vassyana 05:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A truce has been proposed to keep mediation going and on track. Please review the truce and comment, accept or reject as appropriate. Vassyana 03:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for signing on to the truce. I hope it allows us to move forward and build good faith. I've asked John to review his draft, so we can move forward from where we left off. Thanks again for you patience and cooperation. Take care. Vassyana 13:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello Tilman, with the AfD on Barbara Schwarz over I've decided to try to start up another WP:RfC on Justanother. Since I have only edited with him on one page, I was hoping you'd be willing to share your experiences on other pages with him. Orsini had suggested you as a second for this when the AfD was still going on, and I was still trying to get it going then. Since that time I decided to postpone the RfC, Orsini and Smee changed their minds and decided to partcipate, and Justanother continues to be Justanother (which I think is why Orsini and Smee changed their minds). I'd still like to take Orsini's advice and include you as well. I think it would help paint a clearer picture of Justanother's behavior as seen by several editors. Thanks, Anynobody 04:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
No problem, it actually hasn't been created it yet as a formal RfC. I've created a section on my talk page to get ideas together. I didn't include this link User_talk:Anynobody#Justanother_RfC_v2.0.a_talk in the invitation, because I felt it would be presumptuous to assume you'd be interested. Also, I feel I should "warn" you that Justanother has found it already. Anynobody 05:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The WP:RFC may be on soon check this out Justanothers abuse of Wikipedia Backfires.
I self nominated on WP:RFA and he turned up and did me the favor of being himself. When he tried to make an issue out of something on my user page, they suggested a WP:RFC. Are you still interested? Anynobody 08:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
That's ok, thanks anyway. Anynobody 02:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
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I have witnessed elsewhere in another wikipedia that such attacks result in counter attacks, and at the end, some discussion spaces become a hell where everyone is just frustrated. - What other Wikipedia are you referring to? Smee 20:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC).
I have witnessed elsewhere in another wikipedia that such attacks result in counter attacks, and at the end, some discussion spaces become a hell where everyone is just frustrated.
Misou's remarks were out of line.
And I'll make the same suggestion to you that I made to Smee... Perhaps you are not the best person to point out that an attack on you was inappropriate. That takes the battle to the other person, and as the quote above suggests, serves to escalate the situation.
It is always better to assume that the attack, however inappropriate, was out of frustration and not out of malice.
If your goal is truly a civilized outcome, sometimes its better to allow another party to defend you.
If you are ever in need of such assistance, you are welcome to ask. I do not believe personal attacks are appropriate and I will say so, no matter who does it.
-Peace in God Lsi john 20:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tilman,
I’m a skeptic too. In fact I and another skeptic debunked the The Bélmez case.
I have noticed that in you edit summary you wrote “rv, citations are in Quentin Hubbard” about the sentence “Quentin attempted suicide in 1974 and then died in 1976 under mysterious circumstances that might have been a suicide or a murder” in the Hubbard article.
I just want to call you attention that per WP policies we have to repeat the source in another article. In other words, ironically other WP articles are not considered reliable sources. (I learnt this from a Feldaspar edit in the antipsychiatry article.)
P.S. And maybe we don't need </ blockquote> signs when using those big quotation marks.
Cheers! :)
— Cesar Tort 17:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Pages: Golden Age of Tech & Patter drill. Reverting valid links is vandalism. Your reason given was "(rv link to NWO conspiracy page)". There is no NWO conspiracy anywhere found at given link!!! You may be should check out more carefully the data found at some link, before you discard of it. The link provided for is fully valid.-- Olberon 23:25, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
The data found at the page linked to should be able to defend itself. You ignore the referencing that is found at that page. Also noted that you removed a link on page Rundown (Scientology). This time again you note at the history page there: "removed link to "new world order" page". Consulting that page reveals that you are entirely delusional about that. Either way I have no interest to battle this kind of foolish illiteracy. Time can be spend in much better ways.-- Olberon 12:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Here we have 2, conspiring to sabotage the flow of information existing on Wikipedia. From the external links rules page: "When assessing external links you need to simply ask yourself the question: Why is the link not used as a source for the article? If the answer is "because it is not a reliable source," then don't link. If the answer is, "that link is a great resource that complies with the verifiability policy,", then you can link and hopefully someone else would add material from the source to the article."-- Olberon 18:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
- "Some will understand what I talk about here, others will not or choose to be in denial. Sure, you need some courage and make some little effort to do this, and many will try to explain-away it. Some persons I notice have interpreted this querying as something that may turn into some time craving menace of some sort that will continue to occupy their time and bother them in the coming future."
- "What is the price of freedom? The reality is that one also has to be considerate towards others if one is aiming for freedom for oneself. If an error has been made, then one has an obligation to correct the incorrectness. If not, others will be judged also by it! And do not think for a moment that it will not affect you the receiver of the Order. I am afraid that it certainly will."
- "Of course, be it that the declare Order is actually correct! Well, then forget all what I said in the above, as it will not be for you!"
Is informal mediation still needed for Steven Hassan? What has been going on with the article lately, in your view? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vassyana ( talk • contribs) 22:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC).
WP:EL requires WP:RS. Lsi john 04:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I do enjoy good engaging conversation, yes. As to which article in particular that referred to, I don't recall. I remember posting it here to avoid distracting the conversation in the discussion, but unfortunately I do not recall which article. I believe you either reverted an item in or out and said that WP:EL applied and I was pointing out that WP:RS also applies to WP:EL. I believe the other editor was challenging the WP:RS of the link. It isn't really that important. Lsi john 16:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
FYI Through checkuser COFS/CSI LA were determined to be operating from the same IP. There is a review of the block being discussed here: User talk:Coelacan#COFS and CSI LA, since you have experience with them I was hoping you'd comment if you have time. Anynobody 03:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Please do not repeatedly [ remove] relevant and cited material from this article. This material is relevant to the article and speaks directly to the credibility of the person making the unfounded and unsubstantiated charges. It is not libelous, the material is cited and is true and correct. Lsi john 20:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Evidence is often allowed into court cases in order to refute the credibility of a witness.
Based on the above, it is more than reasonable to allow a rebuttal citation which speaks to the credibility of the charge.
If including one unsubstantiated allegation is legitimate, so is including a character rebuttal.
As I stated in my 3O comments, I personally feel neither are relevant.
You are simply trying to create controversy around YHRI where none exists. If controversy really exists, go find cited material which establishes YHRI in wrong doing. Stop including smoke filled speculation and allegation, rumor and innuendo.
Lsi john 21:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
By the way, technically you are 4R on that article. I started to report it and changed my mind. It would have been reporting out of revenge and I choose not to go there.
I'd rather show good faith and hope for the same in return.
Peace in God. Lsi john 19:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Lsi john 19:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)An editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, on a single page within a 24-hour period. A revert means undoing the actions of another editor, whether involving the same or different material each time.
Ok, see this diff [15] - now the differences between "your" last version and "mine" are no longer that big. -- Tilman 20:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tillman, I am making two changes on the Doug Dohring site. Before this gets into "revert wars" I would like to ask you about these. (I made these changes before and you quickly reverted them. These were marked as anonymous because at the time I was having trouble logging in (I'm on Hughes Net which has log in problems. I just got help on this yesterday).
I am deleting "Previously, he was the owner of Digital Lightwave, the troubled Clearwater, Florida maker of fiber-optic testing equipment. The company was later accused of numerous financial misdealings. [1][2] ". Doug Dohring was never an owner of Digital Lightwave. He was an executive employee who resigned before any of these financial misdealings were even alleged to have taken place. The first reference you give makes no reference to Doug Dohring's being involved at all. The second reference you give is a blank page.
I am also deleting "an organization linked with spamvertising." You give no reference to this currently, but when you have a reference up on this before it was a link to a journal entry, which is not a credible source. The entry was a girl who was annoyed at opening her browser and seeing "another ad from Speedyclick". While I grant she may have been annoyed, this is not "spamvertising" per Wikipedia's own definition, "Spamvertising is the practice of sending E-mail spam, advertising a website. In this case, it is a portmanteau of the words "spam" and "advertising". It also refers to vandalizing wikis, blogs and online forums with hyperlinks in order to get a higher search engine ranking for the vandal's website." There is no evidence anywhere that Speedyclick was involved in these activities.
I am also deleting "later deemed worthless[6]" regarding the sale of the Speedyclick stock, becaues the reference you give makes no mention at all of Speedyclick or the value of its stock. It is about companies being delisted. As important, I don't know what relevance this has to a person's bio. You don't say when the stock was "deemed worthless", and we really don't know if he could have sold his stock before that point, if the entire company could have changed hands before that point, etc. This just has nothing to do with the individual you are doing the bio on.
Thanks for reviewing this.
TashiD 18:33, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Btw, may I point you to WP:COI? Just in case this applies to you :-) -- Tilman 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
ok this belongs more appropiately on the discussion page for the site so I'll move it over there. Not sure what you mean by a conflict of interest, but not important. I don't work for him, if that's what you mean. TashiD 05:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Stop deleting references as you did here. Come one, you know better than that. COFS 18:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive content to Wikipedia, as you did to Church of Scientology. Also your edits at Stephen A. Kent appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.
Are you still the same Tilman there? COFS 01:12, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, please take a look at this Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Eugene_Martin_Ingram.-- Fahrenheit451 23:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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I've put some of it back, although I expect it to be vandalized again, with new theories that claim to be Wikipedia policy but aren't.
I do know that in one article or book, it was written that after the Tamimi affair, Ingram had to leave the US for some time until things would get quiet. Sadly I haven't found it yet. -- Tilman 09:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
If you really wanted it to stop, you'd stop posting too. Lsi john 16:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to David Miscavige. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. COFS 18:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey Tilman, your recent edit over at Scientology expressed concern over the direction the article was/is taking. Shoot me a message on my talk page or join in on the article talk. Personally, I have been thinking the last couple days seem to have been going very well and some ussually difficult issues seem to have reached fair consensus. ( RookZERO 05:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC))
Interesting article: [16] -- Fahrenheit451 23:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
The reason I'm posting is that I've become involved in Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS, and want to cite as evidence the time a couple of months ago when you were compared to Hitler's mouthpiece by CSI LA on the Talk:L. Ron Hubbard page:
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Anynobody 05:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I am really sick of ur language skills... -- Homer Landskirty 09:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh! Btw.: It is not possible to force a member country to comply to the opinion of the judges of ECHR... Turkey seems to be an example... Psychiatry is another example of slightly different quality (here neither the opinion of the judges nor the member countries comply to the relevant conventions and protocols)... But I dont care anymore in this point... I simply refuse to take any responsibility for the corresponding actions and their consequences... TubbyByeBye-- Homer Landskirty 20:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
This might come in handy: External links *.digl-watch.com AndroidCat 17:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Snoek is next: [18] -- Tilman 05:22, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
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Hello, can you explain why you insist on stating that "out of 3000 lectures only 40 have been released?" Ever since 1986, when the PDC was first released on cassette, that was already 62 lectures. Hundreds of lectures were released on cassette before the church started to release them on CD starting in 2002 with a release of the PDC (76 lectures). By July 2007, I counted more than 500 lectures released on CD. Adding that to the ones released on cassette ans subtracting the duplicates, the number probably exceeds 1000. And please do not tell me there is no source. You can pick the Bridge or New Era catalogs or even the Materaisl Guide Chart. If I sound upset, it's because I spent 10 years on my life translating these 500 lectures. I don't take well to people reducing that to zero. --
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22:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Give me a good reason why not to block you as well for 3RR violation as I did with User:Su-Jada. You are an experienced editor and should know better than editwar. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Re 'Freezone survivors' website: please read the discussion page, this has been disputed before and should be discussed not used for yet another revert war. Messages also sent to others involved and discussion section opened. -- Hartley Patterson 21:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I am adding yours and Vivaldi's WP:COI in having anything to do with Barb's article to the current COI arbitration at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/COFS. -- Justanother 14:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Please see this, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Scientology_Justice-- Fahrenheit451 21:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Tillman, wanna get together for some Berliner Weisse? You that guy with the glasses (link deleted by Misou after he was put on personal attack warning)? Misou 22:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Berliner Weisse mit Schuß oder ohne Schuß? -- Justanother 17:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Tilman, I reverted some attempted historical revisionism by User:Wikipediatrix today.-- Fahrenheit451 20:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipediatrix, if Tilman and I are pals as you state, then you should not have any problem with my ensuring that he is not attacked and harassed by cofs-directed editors like User:Misou and his pals. Are you one of those?-- Fahrenheit451 20:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipediatrix, stop playing games. I watch pages for vandalism and other violations of Wikipedia policy. I see that you did nothing to report you pal User:Misou's personal attack on Tilman. Have a good day.-- Fahrenheit451 20:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, I had a quick look. I don't mind edits like this
[22] by
Fahrenheit451. Misou made a personal attack which has no place on my talk page. The best would probably be to delete all sections related to Misou's attack, including the attack, including the discussion about Wikipediatrix activities here. And I would ask Wikipediatrix to stay away from my talk page unless it is really needed. --
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21:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipediatrix, another violation of WP:AGF from you again: "It's about F451 creating a header over another editor's post creating the illusion that they created that header" and "I knew you wouldn't object to F451's little redecoration makeover of your page,". Did not Tilman just instruct you to stay away from his talk page? Are you paying attention?-- Fahrenheit451 01:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
All right, then this thread is hereby terminated. Please respect Tilman's wishes.-- Fahrenheit451 02:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
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Hello there, I realize you're on an extended hiatus but on the off chance you check in every so often I have a question. Being someone of experience related to both subjects I was wondering if you ever recall any discussion related to a specific aspect of Schwarz's behavior in German sources. That being the tenets of Scientology related to psychiatrists, and her belief in them, has essentially locked her into mental illness. Thanks. Anynobody 08:25, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm sure the person Heinemann is referring to has to be Schwarz, but unfortunately doubt it's strong enough to do what I was hoping for. (How frustrating, perhaps the most relevant issue about her and Scientology is the fact that it tells her to avoid the cure as though the plague. Someday I'm hoping another paper will do a Scientology series like the LA Times did or something, which mentions her sad predicament and just how much the "tech" has helped her adjust.) Anynobody 05:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I feel compelled to correct your assertion. I'm actually describing the current situation and predicting the future. She clearly has sanity issues which the COS has not corrected (don't forget, she still calls herself a Scientologist and says she was kicked out), moreover because it tells her that psychiatry is murder she's never going to get any better. Anynobody 04:13, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Note: There are a number of WP:BLP violations in this thread. Please consider removing any discussions of her mental condition not backed up by high-quality sourcing. And AN, the bio is gone and it ain't coming back and neither is some sort of WP:POVFORK article or mention so you may want to consider moving on. Happy New Year to all. -- JustaHulk ( talk) 14:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
JustanotherHulk, Consider that perhaps it would be better if you had posted your concerns on WP:BLPN if you believe that the arbcom decision is worthy of being followed and there are really egregious BLP violations occurring here. Anynobody 01:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Tilman we all know the order of events, but consider looking at this as Misou described it. If that were correct, and Scientology really cared about people (and worked), why aren't they trying to get a hold of her so she can get "help"? While I personally think it's not really a WP:BLP issue, you might consider removing the detailed description which doesn't appear in any articles here (for now, things do change). Anynobody 01:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Like I've always said, I find her use of gov't resources in pursuit of nothing to be way more interesting than her Scientology saga. (Obviously they are both related though :) Anyway I got a hold of a civil case that brings together a lot of information, 98-2406 (HHK) Anynobody 05:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
You're very welcome, and thank you too. I believe the article has been added to further since your post. The court decision yesterday will have a ripple effect; I expect additional developments soon. Jusdafax ( talk) 20:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
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[25] - Could you please provide some more information to this cite, to better satisfy WP:V? Cirt ( talk) 21:02, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
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Hi. A new section has been added to the mind control article's talk page disputing the article's POV. I notice you made some contributions to the talk page before; I think your perspective could be useful again. - Nietzsche123 ( talk) 03:48, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
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