Catalysts try to resolve problems, not through the use of authority and special privilege, but by fostering consensus, gently nudging participants in the direction of more appropriate behavior and by generally reducing the level of confrontation rather than confronting users with problems. ~ Ed Poor |
Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Democratic Party (United States) (( this edit, for instance). It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. - Jersyko· talk 02:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from calling my additions 'nonsense', when they are based on fact. Additionally, the article Democratic Party (United States) is not factual. It is biased and therefore nonsense.
On your page you say: Though it's sometimes easy to forget, please remember to interact civilly with other users and to assume good faith.
Calling another user's edits 'nonsense' just ain't civil. And now I'm gonna be uncivil. You are apparantly, either a Democrat, or you are a person that likes to continue the battery of lies that both the Democrats and the Republicans like to use to tranquilize and confuse the minds of the people.
Apologies accepted. And you are right. I didn't realize I did that, and I should learn how to do this thing right before I mess with it. I apologize, also.
I read the differences from the two of you and will be looking over the article. I saw one of thewolfstar's edits and frankly agree with the message behind it (because it's true), but disagree with the wording of things, as it does not comply with encyclopedia format.
I don't like this other person referred to said edits as 'nonsense' either. They might have been written a bit odd, but they are not 'nonsense' either.
--Macai
Thewolfstar, I moved your comments regarding the NPOV of the Democratic Party article to the article's talk page. You can see the talk page here, your comments are at the bottom. When you believe an article to be in violation of neutral point of view, just post a message on the article's talk page and discuss it there. I understand you're a new user, so don't worry about not adhering to standard proceedure around here at first, it can be difficult to learn. - Jersyko· talk 19:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
from the wolfstar to Jersyko
Thank you for moving my comments to the BOTTOM of this page, which is apparantly the correct place for them as they are added from that place. However you had NO right to remove them from the featured article dsicussion page. You are acting like a tyrant.
You said this: The Democratic party is one of the oldest political parties in the world
This is NOT a fact. End of discussion. Can you prove it? Can you show it's legitimacy in any way? Until you can, don't assert it.
Here is where I got my information regarding who made the following statement:
You wanted this specifically the following to be included in the article.
3. The Democratic party is one of the oldest political parties in the world
I hope we can reach consensus on this issue. Per my comments below, I like number 3. - Jersyko·talk 23:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC) - -The preceding unsigned comment was added by thewolfstar ( talk • contribs) .
Dear Jersyko,
I appreciate your edits and corrections to my additions when they are legitimate: i.e. when I made the bone-headed and careless mistake of removing an infobox.
How can article be closed to further discussion on Wikipedia? If this were true, then an 'edit' link would not be provided, as it always is. Just leave my comments where they are and if you think they would best be seen somewhere else than tell me that.
However what you are doing, for example removing my comments on why an article was not given Featured Article status (on that particular talk page) falls under Wiki's official harassment policy. It was and still is a legitimate observation on why The Dem. Party article did not receive the status of Featured Article.
Additionally my dispute is rational.
If you would like to leave My Dispute on the talk page for now, that is, I understand, the correct way to do things. However, if no one can come up with an argument that sensibly disputes my dispute, I have the right to dispute the Dem Party article, on the article page itself.
I called you a tyrant for the following reasons and for no other, and I was not questioning why you phrased: "the democratic party is one of the oldest parties in the world". I was simply pointing out that you were involved in this writing and this was one of your edits. I agree that out of the three, this is the best choice. However I still dispute the Dem. Party article and what is being suggested here, and hold it to be biased, and object to the way you are harassing me.
If you continue your particular brand of harassment I will report you to the Wiki estblishment.
from the official Wikipedia page on Harassment:
Harassment is defined as a pattern of disruptive behavior that appears to a reasonable and objective observer to have the purpose of causing negative emotions in a targeted person or persons, usually (but not always) for the purpose of intimidating the primary target. The purpose could be to make editing Wikipedia unpleasant for the target, to undermine them, to frighten them, or to encourage them to stop editing entirely.
I believe this to be the case, even though some of your edits of my edits are correct.
thewolfstar
If thewolfstar doesn't stop making vulgar threats to editors he will get banned from Wiki. Rjensen 02:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
If Rjensen, Griot and Jersyko don't stop harassing me there will be trouble. I am not threatening you. I am assuring you. I am preseving Wiki's integrity. You three are working on wrecking Wikipedia in the ways I have already mentioned. End of this pointless discussion. Thewolfstar 02:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Griot, I never said "that FDR was anti-Christian". I said "Jefferson did not care a bit for Christianity." read it again. why did you delete our kind and pleasant conversations with each other? thewolfstar 22:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
===I got the welcome to Wikipedia thing 3 times now.=== Once was enough. Please stop sending me this. Thank you Thewolfstar 21:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -- LV (Dark Mark) 04:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Just relax a little bit on the whole name thing. If people call you Wolfman, don't take such offense. If you lash out over something as innocuous as your username, people will be less likely to believe you can compromise on other issues as well. See you around. -- LV (Dark Mark) 04:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Be patient, comment only on the article, not other editors. Merecat 05:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, Merecat. I generally don't comment on the editors. It is the other way around most of the time, as evidenced here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29
I am too tired right now to worry about the correct way of entering that page url
But thanks for what you said in your last comment "Why was that edit nonsense?" Could you send your comment to
Jersyko or comment here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29
That is the first thing said that backed my arguments and edits yet. No, I'm wrong it was the 2nd backup, I have had. Thanks again thewolfstar http://earthhopenetwork.net/
Would you mind not linking your website everytime you sign your name. It is considered spam to do so. Why not make a user page and detail the information there? Thanks. -- LV (Dark Mark) 03:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
What are you disputing about the accuracy? I need to know to try to help you out here, if you have legitimate concerns. -- Northmeister 17:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
neutrality under dispute
This article is not written with neutrality. Editors, please read what you have written here: A primary concern of socialism (and, according to some, its defining feature) is social equality and an equitable distribution of wealth that would serve the interests of society as a whole.[1][2]
This may be written, with a more neutral perspective like this:
~ According to Socialists, a primary concern of socialism (and, according to some, its defining feature) is social equality and an equitable distribution of wealth that would serve the interests of society as a whole.[1][2] ~ Thewolfstar 20:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
~ this has been copied from an (above) conversation and inserted below.~ [edit]
Sam Spade's consistent reversions
Sam, could you please state your problem? No other editor has raised an objection to the version which is currently on the page. -- infinity0 21:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
You say that alot, please scroll up. Sam Spade 18:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I scroll up and I see that your objections have been answered to, not only by me. If, as Cberlet says, you have been inserting this sort of thing for months, then you have problems. Please stop it. Furthermore, whatever POV you think my version is biased towards, I think your version is much more biased. -- infinity0 20:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Because someone named Cherlot says something, does not automatically make it true or increase it's relevance, true or not. This tactic, obviously meant to intimidate, reminds one of those used by modern public schools, Gossip Groups, Puritans, states, states and federal government of the United States, Nazis, Communists and Socialists, the GW Bush boys, and last but not least the obviously Democrat Party editors of the Democrat Party article. Peoople who are interested in freedoms do not use tactics. Thewolfstar 20:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
___ this stuff was just added by Thewolfstar 21:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC) ____
can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4#.22Neoliberal.22
The Democratic Party (of the United States) article if read carefully, is nothing more than a giant ad for the Democratic Party of the United States. Their lawyer is Jersyko. After kicking Jersyko's butt in a lawyeristic debate, the entire talk page suddenly dissapeared. This comment was left on the talk page. Interestingly, there hasn't been any talk since I was banned by the democrats. here is what you see now on the talk page:
I've archived again. Any more incomprehensible rants by wolfstar will be immediately archived. john k 21:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Thewolfstar. I noted (and reverted) your edits to John Kenney's and Jersyko's usertalk pages. There is no excuse for nasty personal attacks and harassment. Just don't make them. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 10:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC).
I would agree with you about some of the earlier quarrels belonging in the lame editwars article. And thanks for pointing me to the lame editwars page. It is hilarious.
My question is this:
Why was this edit removed from your talk page? --
Jake, thanks for holding the fort against that Wolf character in the Democratic Party article. Guys like him, who want to use Wikipedia to pontificate their opinions, are a real danger to the whole enterprise. I'm glad you're standing up to him. Griot 00:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
--
Please don't remove this again or remove my comments here now. Or, if you do, it really makes you look bad. I don't have the feeling that you are a bad guy. I think you are a good guy, truly. Be careful who you listen to 8bitJake. There are a lot of sneaky characters around. I mean this only in the kindest regards towards you. Maybe the Democratic Party can change and fight all the corruption, and I believe it really needs some serious change, if young people like you work hard on making changes.
Howard Dean, from what I understand, is a very decent guy. Barabara Boxer also is a fighter and has shown real bravery in the face of strong opposition.
in peace, thewolfstar 21:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks! thewolfstar 23:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dude, Normally I would have to say 'Yeah, Dude you are right.'
The strange occurences that have occured in the last couple of weeks, since I joined the editing and debating about thing make it different. Some people are trying to manipulate you to do their deeds. I don't want to say anything more specific than that as I would like to continue the peace rather than the war.
Thanks and I'll check out the Bush talk page.
in peace and justice for the wildthings
Whatever you do stay as you are. Maggie thewolfstar 23:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, this is pretty cool I didn't notice it before. Why didn't you do that when you left me you're message? Maggie thewolfstar 00:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi again, thewolfstar, thanks for your message. I'm sorry, but no, it turns out I don't have time to research this edit war of yours; it's too coomplicated, and I have too much Real Life going on. But no matter what the background, it seems to me that it would be a good idea for you to apologize to the users involved. (There's not so much point in apologizing to me!) Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 07:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC).
Well, I really think it would have been more fair if Bishonen had told me that. I still won't apologize to these guys until I think I should apologize. This is somthing that I can only make a decision on. Too, I am not a person that has a hard time with apologies or amends when I believe they should be made. Another thing, I am new on Wikipedia. My first editing experience has been terrible. Is this the way Wikipedia wants it to be for newcomers or any editors? I find that hard to believe going from what I've read from Wikipedia itself. thewolfstar 21:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, I disagree with you. Maggie has been treated rudely and has also treated others rudely - this much we know, But what also is true is that few are actually trying to help her be at peace with others. If information being conveyed was noted as being from an Admin, it would help a distressed editor more readily accept that information as valid. Merecat 13:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. The "excuse" we are to grant her is one of unilateral compassion. If we treat her right for a while, she will begin to trust and start getting along. If you don't understand this, then I dear say, you don't understand people. Merecat 14:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Maggie, I got you mixed up with User:Kmweber, who did attack the wikipedia community in general in an edit summary, and persisted in attacking me on her first comment to me ever, after i informed her of the NPA policy. I sincerely apologize for my undue remarks, and rescind what I crossed off above. Sorry.
That being said, please refrain from spamming my talk page with cathartic vitriol. Thank you. Kevin Baas talk 23:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I only meant more fair concerning my comment that it was none of her business. I still stand on what I have said. I don't feel that I said anything 'obscene' to anyone. I have only responded to the crudeness, lies and harassment of others (Griot, John K, Jersyko and Rjensen). I don't feel, in the light of the entire situation, I have done anything wrong.
I respond with kindness myself when I am shown kindness.
I don't feel that I was trolling Bishonen. I feel that I was as civil or uncivil, to her, as she was to me. Please don't accuse me of stuff if you don't know what you're talking about. I believe that I didn't say anything to Bishonen that she didn't deserve.
Why is it that no one will look at the actions of these others and at this situation for what it is?
Why is it that Jersyko, Griot, Rjensen, and John K have gotten no admonishment?
Additionally, I was feeling a lot less hostile toward all of these (above) people until Bishonen stepped in and made those remarks on my talk page. She only stirred my emotions up. Things had started to calm down, work was getting done, and peace was starting to settle in.
When someone, anyone makes a remark on my talk page, they can expect me to make remarks on their talk page. This seems reasonable to me.
When I believe my actions toward others are just and reasonable, I don't back down to anyone. The only one that can ultimately tell me I am wrong and back me up against a wall, against my will is God. If I get banned from Wikipedia for defending myself, when I believe I am right, then it's on Wikipedia.
Before accusing me of all this stuff, and if you have any sense of justice or have any human compassion,.I think that you ought to look at the facts of this situation.
What is the matter with you people? thewolfstar 22:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I saw your name tagged onto the alert page and wanted to check in. Looks like you didn't waste any time getting to work on Democratic Party (United States); it's always good to have a new voice in controversial articles. Of course, that same controversy and differing opinion can also cause a lot of stress, and it sounds like that's the reason you posted up on the Alert page. Having an undergrad degree in Political Science, I know how hot a political conflict can get... and is the same reason that I don't do anything remotely related to my degree now.
At any rate, I notice that the bulk of your recent contributions have been on the article's talk page or talk pages of various users. When the editing gets hot, people can get irritated in those places. If I can make an unsolicited suggestion, I've found that when I'm in the same circumstance, it helps me to step away from the issue for a couple of days to take on a less-controversial article that's still related to my interest. That way, I can stay in touch with the topic I'm focused upon, but in a manner that will let me do some edits without having run every little word change through consensus. With the benefit of the history tab, it's not like anything really will be missed after a break.
Let me or any other Esperanzan know if we can help in any way. Tijuana Brass ¡Épa!- E@ 23:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
--- Hey Tijuana Brass, Thanks. You just have. Just having a person talk to me with kindness and respect is all I need sometimes. I'll see if I can follow your suggestions. I might just get away from Wikipedia altogether for a while. thewolfstar 23:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Thought I should break this off from the Esperanza header.
I wish I could suggest a resource about humanitarian anarchism, but I barely know anything about it myself. It's disappointing that third parties are looked over so often in schools; I don't recall studying any while in college and had to pick up my natural law obsession during an independent study. I noticed, though, that there's no mention of humanitarian anarchism whatsoever on Wikipedia... maybe you could take that on by adding it into the anarchism article or even starting its own. Let me know if you do, I'd be interested in learning more about it.
As for the RfC, take a look over the material posted near the top. There's a part which summarizes the objections against parties involved, and should include links that reference the situation. It can be tedious to go through, so fair warning. Tijuana Brass ¡Épa!- E@ 17:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
kevin baas,
You said I made a comment on your page without knowing you.
I noticed this on your page:
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RFC started on Merecat
In light of recent events (not discussing disputed edits, edit warring and making personal attacks) this
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Merecat has been started. Maybe you want to make an observation there, if not OK. Sincerely
Nomen Nescio
18:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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at which time I posted this comment
Can a person gain an historical perspective on a gang of dominating bullies from this page?
No, I 'm not familiar with the whole case, as you are not familiar with mine. I find you unfriendly. If you find me unfriendly, that's fine. To be honest, at least right now. I don't feel much inclination to be friendly with you.
I find this whole rfc thing to be distasteful and downright ugly. I find the atmosphere in Wikipedia to be both nasty, intimidating to an unprotected population, and remarkably like the police state one can find in a typical 2nd grade classroom... After Susie goads Danny.. Mrs. Schnopheiseeeeer Danny said a bad word. Mrs Schnopheiseeeeer
Mrs. Schnopheiserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Danny peed in his pants. Mrs. Schnopheiseeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
(Sort of reminds one also of the mass mind controlled robots in Orwell's 1984 and especially the children trained for spying on their parents for the purpose of routing them out, and reporting them to Big Brother.)
There are also some good, kind people on Wikipedia. It took me a while to find them..or maybe they found me.
The best all around person I know on Wikipedia so far is Merecat and you people have an rfc on him.
Merecat is kind. He is helpful and fair to all. He has defended me in the face of strong opposition against a bullying gang of editors who shamelessly harass newcomers, who lie, use ruthless control, scare tactics and gather others to help them in their harassment campaign. He is a person, from all I can see, who is not afraid to stand up to a group of nasty, mean, controlling people. He is an intelligent and able contributor to Wikipedia. He is patient.
I am also such a person, just not as friendy when attacked. You, Kevin Baas, don't fool me, nor apparantly, do you fool Merecat.
I will defend Merecat because he is a friend, he is a person worthy of defense, and because I detest bullies like you and all the petty nitpicking
[3]ic
[crap] that goes on in this place. For anyone that finds offense at the word crap, or finds it obscene, or anything I have said thus far, oh well..
1.) Get out more, this is not an obscenity.
2) I don't speak newspeak.
3.) I don't like my words or my thoughts to be controlled by anyone but myself.
4.)I believe in the Bill of Rights,
freedom is a good thing, kindness another good thing.
I noticed this on the rfc on merecat page:
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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}
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I see that there's talk of 2 rfc's on your talk page.
Why don't you grow up? And learn to act with kindness and fairness to all. Didn't your parents teach you any manners or values when you were a child?
Maggie thewolfstar 23:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, well thanks for the words of support. I will say, that you should choose your battles carefully though here on wikipedia. Don't do something to get yourself kicked off, especially if it isn't really worth it. And although it may be hard, you really should try not to piss too many people off too much (unless it's really worth it). Nothing productive comes from making personal attacks on wikipedia--I tried it once [4]. Stay safe out there. If you need any help just ask. The Ungovernable Force 05:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words. I expect the Nescio, Ryan, Kevin howling mob might come after you with complaints sometime. If they do or anyone else does, please keep me posted so I can help defend you. Remember to focus on cited edits to reliable sources - "the pen is mightier than the sword". Merecat 05:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
And ya know what? I don't give a rat's ass if they do come after me. You and I together, Merecat can kick some serious Governmental butt. Even on our own we come up against a lot. I don't know how you can take this rfc thing or the obvious campaign they have going against you now, though.
There's a lot of them in Wikipedia. They're kind of like a mob or something. The Wiki Mafia? Or is the CIA? Oh yeah, I forgot they're kinda related. Or is that the holy Roman Catholic Church? Or the young Socialists of the world? The old right-wing Christian voters Or, wait a minute the Nazis..the the Republicraps. The Republicrats. Foul language. The Republicans. The Communists...?
I know who it is. Could it be? Oh my gosh.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU. in solidarity against the mob Maggie thewolfstar 06:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Merecat, as always your comments to me are helpful. I guess I chose a topic that was bound to bring on the warlords. I also am on a mission to lower POV in political articles. It's hard work. Holy cow. It's hard work. Maggie thewolfstar 06:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi...thanks for leaving the note on my talk page. Nice to see other music lovers around here. Hope you enjoy wikipedia...if you ever need help, just give me a holler...although I'm not on that much anymore...Ciao!-- Violin G irl ♪ 18:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Very well. I've italicised my replies to your questions below, so that we can hopefully see who says what. Bishonen | talk 22:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC).
Dear Bishonon
questions:
Is there any excuse for how they treated me and other newcomers, or anyone that questions them?
Is there any excuse for their ganging up on, and even gathering people for the express purpose of ganging up on one person, particularly a newcomer to Wikipedia?
Is there any excuse for their deliberately lying to a newcomer or others in order to keep her from editing?
Is there any excuse for their insulting a newcomer, calling her names like 'loon' and 'ignorant' in order to discourage her from even discussing their article?
Is there any excuse for their constant barage of scare tactics done, I believe to discourage a newcomer from editing, and possibly even driving her away altogether? And yes. I am prepared to back that claim up.
Please see Wiki's Harrassment Policy Wikipedia:Harassment [
[5]]
You said, my dear Bishonon, "that there was no excuse for your attacks (or, incidentally, your foul language)"
What foul language?
You also said "I think I have Jersyko's page watchlisted for some reason."
And what reason would that be?
I do take responsibility for my actions. That's not what's questioned here, at least that's not what I am questioning.
Can you please answer these questions?
Thanks again, thewolfstar 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. -- Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm very confused. That's not my name. Is that slang for something? Kasreyn 03:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
You recently left a comment here Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User:Mr j galt which was clearly joshing around. I have struck out some text so that others will know you were only joshing. Please be careful to avoid the appearance of harsh comments. You'll get in problems if your comments are misudnerstood. Also, I did vote at that RfC. Thanks for the heads up. Merecat 16:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Let's not have anymore references to personal violence...seems a bit fascist to tell someone they "ought to be shot".-- MONGO 19:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Fascist..an interesting choice of words.
Please go here and check this out. I can't say this admin is a fascist. Fascist Smascist Socialist..all the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre
I don't object to the gun. Please educate yourself and look at this article Daniel Shays as far as guns and shooting people is concerned.
We have a 2nd amendment of the Constitution... Remember The one that all you liberals worked so hard at undermining since the turn of the 20th century.
Check out the policies of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. They both had a blast with unarming the populace.
Get a grip. thewolfstar 19:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Addition:
Get a sense of humor.
thewolfstar
19:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I thought I made it clear that I detest fascists and socialists. (Same thing). If you block me after I just pointed you to the above admin page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre then it's on you and says something about you.
You said "Don't again mention that anyone "ought to be shot". Understand? Hope so.--"
What threat is this exactly? I still am pretty new on Wiki, my start date is March 22, 2006 thewolfstar 20:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Yassah, Massah
thewolfstar
02:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Gee, that's funny because I could swear it was you who first personally attacked me by calling me a fascist. It looks as though you are disruptive doesn't it now? thewolfstar 09:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, Mongo. If that was an apology, then apology accepted. Somehow I get the feeling you're a nice guy now. peace Maggie thewolfstar 09:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I can most definitely id with that one. I drank like a pig fo 20 years. I've been sober for 21 1/2 years now. When I drank...you think I'm obnoxious now? thewolfstar 09:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I did see the movie many years ago and it was hilarious. I don't remember the caharacter 'Mongo' or even much of the movie now, though. Thanks for the tip thewolfstar 15:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Bishonon
questions:
Is there any excuse for how they treated me and other newcomers, or anyone that questions them?
Is there any excuse for their ganging up on, and even gathering people for the express purpose of ganging up on one person, particularly a newcomer to Wikipedia?
Jake, thanks for holding the fort against that Wolf character in the Democratic Party article. Guys like him, who want to use Wikipedia to pontificate their opinions, are a real danger to the whole enterprise. I'm glad you're standing up to him. Griot 00:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
(this following what I said on the page, I'm not saying it now.)
and then going to 8bitJake's talk page, if it remains there and is not deleted:
Is there any excuse for their deliberately lying to a newcomer or others in order to keep her from editing?
made to deliberately confuse a newcomer and which was as easy to see through as a glass of water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4
Is there any excuse for their insulting a newcomer, calling her names like 'loon' and 'ignorant' in order to discourage her from even discussing their article?
You could have found this real easily (Ctrl F)
Is there any excuse for their constant barage of scare tactics done, I believe to discourage a newcomer from editing, and possibly even driving her away altogether? And yes. I am prepared to back that claim up.
Please see Wiki's Harrassment Policy Wikipedia:Harassment [
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You said, my dear Bishonon, "that there was no excuse for your attacks (or, incidentally, your foul language)"
What foul language?
You also said "I think I have Jersyko's page watchlisted for some reason." And what reason would that be?
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I do take responsibility for my actions. That's not what's questioned here, at least that's not what I am questioning.
You might check this out yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Merecat&diff=prev&oldid=49565423%20personal%20attacks
Can you please answer these questions?
Maggie thewolfstar 17:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again, thewolfstar 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The above rant is offensive in the extreme. Bishonen is one of our most-trusted users, and the amount of goodwill you burn up by comparing her to a Nazi Stormtrooper is... amazing. I suspect people have shown you these links before: Wikipedia:Civility. Wikipedia:No personal attacks. meta:Don't be a dick. You really need to read them. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually no. However,
I suspect people have shown you these links before: Wikipedia:Civility. Wikipedia:No personal attacks. meta:Don't be a dick. You really need to read them. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Particularly
meta:Don't be a dick This particular bit was, if I'm not mistaken, written particularly for dickhead admins such as yourself. There is an advice to blocking admins page where 'Don't be a dick' is suggested to the blocking admins. Funny thing.
Which you have so clearly shown yourself to be. (A dick) Just a suggestion, Bunchofgrapes..a little introspection might be in order here. thewolfstar 21:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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KillerChihuahua ?!? 18:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for telling me how to do this the correct way
KillerChihuahua
?!? I honestly don't know if I'll get it right, but I'm trying. Maggie
thewolfstar
19:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was confusing bunchofgrapes with KillerChihuahua.
Will KillerChihuahua please tell me why I have been blocked. This is the second time I asked this question. Why is there a place to contest my block if no one reads the contest?
I would appreciate it one of you would read what I wrote (above) as a response to Bishonen who really insulted me many times.
Please don't call my hard research rants
Will someone please read what I write before accusing me of all sorts of things?
Thanks.
ps Please check this out (an admin friend of Bishonen) [
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The gun and the delete page it points to..Is this a Wiki nicenessthing? I sorta don't think so. But what would I know. I'm a user that's been blocked.
Thanks again. Maggie thewolfstar 20:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
ps Bishonen. Thank you for proving me right.
"The above rant" was an insult that was made to me. Before I made insults back. Why isn't this user blocked? Please answer this question. thewolfstar 21:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I still haven't received an anwser to my question. I won't ask it again, you nasty socialist-nazi admins and editors are making a real mistake. This is not a threat. This a statement of fact.
FACT. A funny word on Wikipedia. What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?
One could write a song perhumnps.
"What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?"
I can't wait until the goons are caught by the media
It's really such a shame.
What was great is now so lame.
"What happened to the facts on Wikipediabr>
I miss it now it's gone
Destroyed by the Socialist throng.
What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?
author Maggie
thewolfstar
22:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
note to the Cabal and it's goons.. start to watch for changes on this site http://earthhopenetwork.net/ thewolfstar 22:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Please read WP:CIVIL for our policy regarding civility. You might also want to read WP:NPA for our policy on personal attacks. Regarding your accusations of socialism: this website is the private property of the Wikipedia Foundation; please abide by its rules if you wish to continue editing here. -- Karada 00:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I think you might do the same. You are hardly civil. You drop onto my talk page univited when I can only comment here and am blocked. You accuse me of attacking the socialists which under the circumstances is not so outlandish. And then you threaten me as if you were spesking for the Wikipedia foundation. Wow.
Ya' got me shakin' in my boots.
Jimbo is going to love all of this.
You are not following Wiki's guide to blocking.
You just broke 6 rules my dear administrator. Keep it up. I would check my administration status frequently from now on. thewolfstar 01:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see WP:BP#Disruption: "excessive personal attacks" are specifically mentioned. You have engaged in a pattern of abuse of Bishonen, Geogre, Bunchofgrapes, and others. I see nowhere that Bunchofgrapes violated the NPA policy. Please provide a diff to support your assertion: if you don't know how to make a diff link let me know. KillerChihuahua ?!? 04:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Killerchihuahua,
Thanks for offering to help me. You're right I don't know how to make a diff link.
peace, Maggie
thewolfstar
04:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
A diff link is the full url (starting with http://) of an edit on Wikipedia. Bunchofgrapes has added the diff link to the section above. Describing your diatribe against Bishonen as a "rant" is desriptive terminology, not a personal attack. A personal attack would be, for instance, "nasty socialist-nazi admins". One is describing your post, one is describing a person or persons in insulting terminology. Do you see the difference? KillerChihuahua ?!? 04:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Whether my comments made to Bishonen, at her request, were a "diatribe against Bishonen"
and whether a "rant" is descriptive terminology"..
is a matter of opinion. Obviously not mine. If one were to read what I wrote to Bishonen, rather than form an opinion of it beforehand, and also bother to follow the links I provided, a product of much work at her request, one would see that I made some very valid points, indeed. Please read it.
When I read what Bunchofgrapes had to say I was angered by his dismissal of what I had to say (to Bishonen). Because after all what I had to say was and still is valid.
I don't know how to put this any more simply and to the point.
Additionally, if you look back at this archived article talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4#Comments_from_thewolfstar you will see a history of attacks made on me by others.
Especially please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29#Archived this.
Please see above http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Thewolfstar&redirect=no#response_to_Bishonen
I like most people, don't react well to hostility. Should I have reamained calm anyway? Possibly. But at times I did so and I was either igonored, lied to, harassed, ganged up on, etc. Please bother to read this page. Now I am sitting in jail. And my questions are still not answered, at least not with anything that approaches honesty or openmindedness.
Look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Thewolfstar&redirect=no#to_Bishonen
Where I have already made links to rudeness and PA by others, and also pointed out the gathering of other editors to further harass me, etc. (I didn't make the proper diff link, because bone-headedly I didn't realize how simple that was.)
I am growing exhausted by all this. I am asked to show something. I show it and then it is ignored.
I have done enough work to state my case. Please follow my links this time.
Thank you in advance for looking at this in an unbiased way.
Maggie
thewolfstar
05:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi KillerChihuahua. I see that you posted a comment on Tijuana Brass's talk page and told him that I was requesting his knowledge of my block. That was actually really kind of you.
I thank you sincerely for that, it was a very kind and thoughtful gesture Maggie thewolfstar 08:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
peace Maggie thewolfstar 11:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I won't respond to your taunts and misunderstandings about myself, but only tell you that you're mistaken in thinking yourself ever "ganged up on", since, in summary, that was what you asked me to investigate. Example: where you say editors have been "deliberately lying to a newcomer ... in order to keep her from editing", it's you who've made a mistake. This diff link shows you, yourself, removing (no doubt by mistake) the edit you just made. Scroll down a little to see. Nobody reverted you, nobody lied to you, nobody tried to confuse you. People tried to explain to you how things work here. With amazing mildness, considering the way you speak to them. Please stop posting on my page now. Bishonen | talk 17:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC).
Maggie, please post a sincere apology on this page to those editors whom have taken offense at some of your comments. Some of your comments have been excessively harsh. A little kindness goes along way. Your friend, Merecat 17:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Merecat, I will make sincere apologies to a few people. These will be the people that I believe I owe apologies to. I will not make arbitrary apologies to people just because they have taken offense to comments I have made. Guaranteed they have said or done something to me or to someone else that was exceedingly harsh and hateful and to which I have taken real offense to.
An example of this is a quite nasty comment I made to Nescio and others on the RFC of Mr. J Galt.
Try to listen carefully to what I say so I don't confuse anyone.
I believe down deep in my heart, that there is no excuse for an rfc. ANY RFC. rfc's should not exist.
People are hung there to rot while others say horrible things to them. They probably got there the same way I got here.
I will apologize to some when they apologize to you and to all the people they have harassed and hung up to be publicly scrutinized and bashed in an rfc.
A little kindness goes along way.
How about that?
I will be back in a little while. I will make some apologies.
If anyone thinks I owe them an apology then let me know and I'll consider it.
thewolfstar
18:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
It's my birthday today. Feel free to wish me a 'happy birthday' anytime. And thanks for setting me free.. I guess.
WOW Thanks! Flawiki and RyanFreisling Maggie thewolfstar 23:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I left a message for you on your talk page and also an unblock request on User talk:KillerChihuahua. Those were the comments I mentioned. Merecat 01:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Please everyone check this out. an article for deletion ??? This is scary, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Unlawful_enemy_combatant forgot to sign thewolfstar 22:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC) thewolfstar 03:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Bishonen please don't tell me what I write is obscenity when your conversations with Geogre are so much ickkier. For example this deleted one.
+:Oh, and for comparison, see the history tab on Attalus I. It has been vandalized even more than yours was. I think, when it's an interesting story, the turds vandalize it less. The 11 year olds clearly don't like Attalus I. ("You must be this tall to ride the Wikipedia.")
Geogre
21:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
really Geogre. Gross.
Jersey Devil said this to me Please see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4#an_edit_I_made_tonight
Also, it was you who removed your own edit not a "neutral Democrat buddy" as you say in your above statement. And after this, you added an NPOV tag. Since it seems that you removed your own edit and then claimed "NPOV" I am taking off the tag. [12] P.S. I am still waiting for other comments with regards to the "Ideological Base" section.--Jersey Devil 09:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Then Jersey Devil said
And after this, you added an NPOV tag. Since it seems that you removed your own edit and then claimed "NPOV" I am taking off the tag.
Maybe somone will explain to me to me how this makes some sense. I am new and possibly I am missing something here.
I just said my prayers, which have helped me to put things in perspective. (if this is something I am allowed to say in public these days). My son said this to me the other day and I believe it to be the fairest statement made thus far.
He said "Ma, You're all wrong. You have all broken Wiki policy, and therefore are all wrong. You should all be punished for this" He showed more wisdom with this statement then I or any of us, (except Merecat and Tijuana Brass.)
I do apologize to Nescio. I still don't like what he's doing here with this rfc, but I said something unusually viscious to him on Mr J Galt's rfc talk page. Nescio, please except my apologies for that second comment I made back to you, it was harsh and cruel.
I would like to congratulate Pongo for being an all around good guy with a sense of humor.
Jersyko and I have already aplogized to each other once, here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thewolfstar#From_thewolfstar
Lots went on after that. I say that we can handle our own affairs, both of us. We are not children. We can and should take care of ourselves and take responsibility for own actions. If we need to apologize to each other again some day, I suspect that we will do so. If we don't, it's on us. I think that we will as we are both basically civilized people
The Block you have on me and the ban that is being intimated are illegal. The legal Wiki process has not been gone through:
Please see this: (found here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Effects_of_being_blocked
Blocks are most frequently used to deal with vandalism and to enforce bans, most often by the Arbitration Committee. There are other less common situations where blocks are appropriate, which are listed below. In all cases, blocks are preventative rather than punitive, and serve only to avoid damage to Wikipedia. Blocks normally last 24 hours unless specified otherwise below, and in most instances will be lifted if the editor agrees to stop the damaging behavior.
This has never gone to arbitration. Arbitration is the first process in a block or proposed ban. Please see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee
The Arbitration Committee exists to impose binding solutions to Wikipedia disputes. This solution may be anything up to and including a ban from editing Wikipedia for a period of time.
The Arbitration Committee is the last step in the dispute resolution process - it is a last resort to be turned to when all else has failed. Other steps, including discussion between users and, where appropriate, mediation, should be tried first. The Arbitration Committee exists to deal with only the most serious disputes and cases of rule-breaking.
You who have blocked me and would like to ban me have not followed legal procedure. You have not even done one step in the process that comes before arbitration, never mind the last resort to blocking or banning.
This will not go down well in the annals of Wiki history, I would guess.
If you do decide to ban me. Goodbye to Merecat, Tijuana Brass, John Kenney, Killer Chihuahua, Violin Girl, all the Esperanzans, someone named Matt Yeager, Hogeye who I don't really know.. I just like his Chutzpah, Mr J Galt..don't know personally either, Jersyko, 8bitJake, Pongo, and many others I will miss you.
But I fear for my sanity, which has gone steadily down hill since I joined this thing.
I'm not sure if I'm dealing with a cabal or this is just a giant insane asylum
Maggie thewolfstar 03:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 04:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd advise you to review WP:NPA about making personal attacks, and WP:RPA which states that I'm allowed to remove the personal attacks you make. In this case that would be almost the entire page, but for contextual reasons I'll leave it here. On merecats page, do NOT do it again. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 05:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that the funniest thing. Some people think you are being uncivil. thewolfstar 05:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
NO ACTUALLY YOU DON'T DO IT AGAIN DON'T DELETE MY COMMENTS AGAIN thewolfstar 05:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't know.
And how did you come to hear of them, Theresa Knott
thewolfstar
05:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Theresa Knott It's rude to make bossy statement on someone's page when they are blocked and not answer when asked a question. Please ansewr my questions.
Aside from that who invited you into this conversaton? Not me that's for sure. thewolfstar 05:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Maggie, I am talking up for you with admin hopeful Swatjester on my talk page. I will stand up for you as best as I can where can. Please help me in that by talking more nicely as soon as possible. Thanks. Merecat 05:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
If you quit, they win. Just stop talking to them. And don't say anything harsh to anyone. Merecat 05:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Neither of those two regimes lasted. One lasted about 20 years, the other 60. Merecat 06:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
see definition of dictatorship. http://earthhopenetwork.net/the_solution.htm#dic thewolfstar 06:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Swat is right. It's not a fair comparison.
Merecat
06:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a xanax would help, or perhaps some prozac. thewolfstar 05:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Look Scwatz, you asked some dumbish questions about ethnic cleansing. Give me a break. I answered you.
Wiki has rules. It has procedure that is supposed to be followed by everyone, both the regular editors and the admins. This is the second time the admins have put me in here illiegally by Wiki's own rules.
Wiki Policy
The Blocks you have on me are illegal. The legal Wiki process has not been gone through either time:
Please see this: (found here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Effects_of_being_blocked
Blocks are most frequently used to deal with vandalism and to enforce bans, most often by the Arbitration Committee. There are other less common situations where blocks are appropriate, which are listed below. In all cases, blocks are preventative rather than punitive, and serve only to avoid damage to Wikipedia. Blocks normally last 24 hours unless specified otherwise below, and in most instances will be lifted if the editor agrees to stop the damaging behavior.
This has never gone to arbitration. Arbitration is the first process in a block or proposed ban. Please see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee
The Arbitration Committee exists to impose binding solutions to Wikipedia disputes. This solution may be anything up to and including a ban from editing Wikipedia for a period of time.
The Arbitration Committee is the last step in the dispute resolution process - it is a last resort to be turned to when all else has failed. Other steps, including discussion between users and, where appropriate, mediation, should be tried first. The Arbitration Committee exists to deal with only the most serious disputes and cases of rule-breaking.
You who have blocked me and would like to ban me have not followed legal procedure. You have not even done one step in the process that comes before arbitration, never mind the last resort to blocking or banning.
How about that? thewolfstar
Thewolfstar: Please review WP:NPA, which is policy. It states:
"Many Wikipedians remove personal attacks on third parties on sight, and although this isn't policy it's often seen as an appropriate reaction to extreme personal abuse. Users have been banned for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks. Abusive edit summaries are particularly ill-regarded."
and "There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them."
and In extreme cases, an attacker may be blocked under the "disruption" clause of the blocking policy
Finally, please spell my name right. It's SWATJester, as you can obviously see. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 06:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
dispute resolution? mediation? arbitration?
hello? thewolfstar 06:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Just let it go for a few days. Tempers will cool and your block will be over. Merecat 06:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
? thewolfstar 06:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You who have blocked me and would like to ban me have not followed legal procedure. You have not even done one step in the process that comes before arbitration, never mind the last resort to blocking or banning.
How about that? thewolfstar 06:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
In extreme cases, a block can be immediatly given without arbitration, as shown to you above by me. This is something like the third time I have asked you to review the policy at
WP:NPA Your block was perfectly legal. Please stop insinuating that it wasn't. It doesn't help your case. If yuo dispute it, once you're unblocked, take it up at arbcom, or ask Merecat to do it for you.
⇒
SWATJester
Ready
Aim
Fire!
06:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I know that the first amendment doesn't apply here. Let's just get past that for a moment.
One thing that pisses me off more than anyhting is when someone tells me I don't have any constitutional rights.
As far as our government is concerned.. here is first amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
This is clear and simple. Do you understand that? thewolfstar 08:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone say something please? thewolfstar 08:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Amazing how quiet you all are now while you all watch my every move like a hawk.
Don't have much to say to that do you?
Congress does not have the right to remove my freedom of speech. And no son of a bitch is going to take it away from me. Remember Shays Rebellion? thewolfstar
That's why we have a bill of rights.
There should be a national holiday for Daniel Shays.
thewolfstar
09:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kasreyn, thanks for what you said above. I am growing exhausted in this place and I know that's what they want. I may sound paranoid, but if you look over the two pages of edit wars I had with the original contributors you'll see what I mean. I felt like I was walking around in a looney bin with a bunch of high brow philosophers who were pointing to various aspects and attributes of the angels who dance on the head of a pin. It took me ages to introduce what are normally considered simple ideas and concepts. If you could check out some of the links I provided to Bishonen and that she ignored, you'll see what I mean about gathering people to harass a newcomer or anyone who has a difference of opinion.
In a week I managed to get three paragraphs changed in the article. I've said many times that I don't care about the old wars anymore. The point is it shouldn't take all this work just to get fact into an article. Any article. I'm starting to see that the guard dogs have their fists on all kinds of articles, not just controversial ones.
Please see my song above "What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?" It is not I that I am concerned about here. It is the survival of Wikipedia.
Maybe not that many people care. I do.
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tijuana_Brass
talk page. A comment I made to him, a freindly one was deleted twice. Can you go and ask him for help, please?
I really need his help now and I found a couple of days ago that he's an admin.
Thanks Kasreyn and much peace, Maggie thewolfstar 10:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Maggie. Er, Wolfstar. Wolfmaggie. I tend to mix real names and wikinames... that's probably a sign that I need to get off of the encyclopedia more.
Sorry for the delay in writing you, been very off and on here the past couple of days. Sorry also that you've had the frustration of edit conflicts; it happens to everyone here sooner or later, you just had the misfortune of having it sooner, it seems. I'm glad that there's been some good people like Merecat and Swatjester around giving advice; I haven't really read over your talk page or looked over the links too much, but I recognize a lot of names involved and know that they're mostly real good people... so perhaps it's just an instance of good people butting heads, not sure. In any case, glad to see the block is over and that you didn't take it as a personal offense, storming off and leaving Wikipedia... that'd be a real shame. How's the progress coming along on creating a Humanistic anarchism article, or an addition to Anarchism of that nature? I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
By the way, it's late, but happy birthday! Sorry to have missed it on the day of. I was three days late in wishing happy birthday to my best friend this month; I should probably brush up on that. Tijuana Brass ¡Épa!- E@ 11:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You are not alone. Out there, many others have been blocking with out Arbitration Committee. We filing class action lawsuit against Wikipedia, join would you? Cannot violate our rights, Wikipedia can. we must stop them, before they continue to censor vital info plz???? thx. -- Av i ll ia ( RfC vs CVU) 21:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
What a thing. Class Action lawsuits. Wow.
Need you now thanks for stepping in. lots of peace Maggie
thewolfstar
22:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
are ya' still there? Can you contact that very cool guy I think his name is TJBeatty and ask for his help? Thanks. Maggie thewolfstar 22:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Merecat can you contact Tbeatty thewolfstar 22:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Tbeatty is blocked!
thewolfstar
22:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Duh, Tbeatty is not blocked. twas me that were blocked.
Merecat are you still around?
thewolfstar
22:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks KillerChihuahua
Can you ask him or her to come here, please and talk to me? ThanksMaggie
thewolfstar
22:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
what's up? --
Tbeatty
23:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Are you still here Tbeatty? thewolfstar 23:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for coming here and talking to me. And thanks for what you said on Merecat's page about the delete done on my comments to Merecat. Can you help me with this whole thing? Maggie thewolfstar 23:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
TBeatty are you there? thewolfstar 23:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC) thewolfstar 23:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any intention of making any lawsuit against the Wikipedia Foundation. I will protest in other ways within the Wiki community, though. thanks Maggie thewolfstar 22:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you please leave comments at the bottom of this page and start a new edit with them. I am having a hard time finding comments. Thanks, thewolfstar 22:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for coming here and talking to me. And thanks for what you said on Merecat's page about the delete done on my comments to Merecat. Can you help me with this whole thing? Maggie thewolfstar 23:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
TBeatty are you there? thewolfstar 23:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I can honestly say, after calming down and laying back a little, that this is the nastiest atmosphere I have ever encountered in my life anywhere. What do you have to say to that? thewolfstar 23:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Those are brutal nasty cliques those high school cliques. So saying its no nastier compared to that, ain't saying much.
I am finding it worse than high school, where I was ridiculed for being different. I held my own, though. thewolfstar 23:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
School committee meeting are and can be horrendous, too, true. thewolfstar 23:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Theresa, In all due respect, who it is for exactly? thewolfstar 00:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I've heard about much as I am going to hear about civlity.
Why is it that I sit here in jail and other uncivil people walk free?
Particularly ones who have insulted me, for instance?
thewolfstar
00:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not buying it Merecat. That only partly answers the question.
Having a hard time answering that one are you? thewolfstar 00:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Look back at first comment I received from anyone at the top of this page. thewolfstar 00:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Merecat, I can't even believe you just said that. Of all the people I have seen in this place ot intereacted with personally, I am the most original one at creating solutions. thewolfstar 00:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been blocked for more than 24 hours now. When did my block start and when do I get unblocked? thewolfstar 00:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I need to know when this block started and when I am getting off.
I am not the enemy.
thewolfstar
00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you find out please? I'd really appreciate it.
thewolfstar
01:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is the log you pointed me to. It says Drini unblocked me as his last action.
View (previous 50) (next 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500).
* 16:13, 27 April 2006 Drini unblocked Thewolfstar (contribs) (should have calmed by now) * 04:57, 27 April 2006 Drini blocked "Thewolfstar (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (aggresive attacks, namecalling other wikipedians) * 18:53, 25 April 2006 KillerChihuahua blocked "Thewolfstar (contribs)" with an expiry time of 24 hours (personal attacks)
'??????????????????????' thewolfstar 01:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
This is getting so boring. If I leave, guaranteed you just lost one of the best editors you ever had. thewolfstar 01:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
You only continue to convince me of your deep incivilty and lack of basic human understnding and respect. I am not an idiot and I am not a child. Please treat me and others with the respect with which you would like to be treated yourselves. thewolfstar 01:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I closed all my browsers and rebooted my machine. I am still blocked. thewolfstar 02:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your helpfulness and honesty.
thewolfstar
03:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I am stll blocked.
Merecat are you around? thewolfstar 03:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
You were caught in an autoblock:
10:21, 27 April 2006, Drini (Talk) blocked #150207 (expires 10:21, 28 April 2006) (Unblock) (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Thewolfstar".
I have unblocked that autoblock as well. If you are still blocked, post here and I will look further. KillerChihuahua ?!? 03:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank the many people who went out of their way to get me unblocked. This was a kind act and I appreciate it.
Just as I only know any of you by the brief encounters so far which have been for the most part unpleasant, but at times like this, actually quite the opposite, so do any of you know me.
A suggestion that Merecat has been making all along to many editors, is to take a different approach to a newcomer on Wiki. If I may be so bold, this may not be a bad idea.
Being polite is okay in itself, but it doesn't constitute being friendly or helpful. A friendlier more helpful approach may prove to be a better way to talking to newcomers. Especially your first comments to them.
I read your comments about me on killerchihuahua's page. They were hilarious, I can assure you.
If you have a question about me just ask. If you don't believe Earthhope is my site send an email to contact@earthhopenetwork.net or maggie@earthhopenetwork.net and I'll email you back. Please don't delete the email address out of here. I don't care if anyone has it, and I can figure these things out for myself.
Anyway thanks for helping me get unblocked. And thanks, Bishonen for what you said at the bottom of killer's page.
peace Maggie
thewolfstar
04:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict with the previous two comments)
My comment was intended for you of course. This place can be very difficult for certain types of personalities. It can also be very addictive, and this is a big problem for people who find that it makes them unhappy, because they want to leave but find they cannot.
To be happy hear you need to be calm. Calm when people disagree with you, calm when people do not appreaciate you, calm even when people are rude.
You also need to be able to look at things from other people's point of view. This is an essential skill for reaching consensus and writing neutrally, but is also needed to prevent arguments from decending into slanging matches.
Not everyone can fit into the rough and tumble that Wikipedia can sometimes be. The is no shame is saying "This is not for me".
On the other hand, if you do decide to stay then you are most welcome.You do need to make sure that you behave in a way that doesn't lead to more blocks. Look at you edits just before your last block. Learn from them (Doing this gets me blocked, I wont do it again.) Staying calm is they key here. If you find youself getting upset then walk away for a bit to cool off. Never edit when agitated. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 05:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Theresa Knott,
I appreciate your comments. But give me a break. The rough and tumble? Obviously I can't say this for sure, but I bet I have been through more the rough and tumble in my first few years of life than many here at Wiki have been through in their whole lives.
Also please don't condescend to me. I find this offensive as who wouldn't. Talk to me and treat me as if I were an adult, which I most certainly am.
Look at Merecats page. You'll see that I told him I'm about to commit Wikipedian suicide. Do you really propose that I am so imbecilec that I didn't know that I was going to get blocked?
You said, "You also need to be able to look at things from other people's point of view. This is an essential skill for reaching consensus and writing neutrally."
I disagree because that simply doesn't make sense. It's not about my or anyone else's point of view. Neutrality and fact are pointedly not anyone's point of view. I'll buy the part about staying calm, though.
Most of the time I have been calm. Only I know whether I am calm or not. There was a time I did get upset at Merecat, but oh well, I got over it.
Oh well, thanks for spending time writing to me. Just please don't assume I'm an idiot because I'm new.
peace, Maggie thewolfstar 05:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Since you aim to save Wikipedia, you should check out m:Talk:Spam Blacklist, where a number of sites have been added to the spam blacklist in order to censor out Criticism of Wikipedia. This is a big problem with Wikipedia, as it gets rid of the fundamental need for transparency in the project. Wikipedia's rogue admins are a major problem, and they have now got together and formed Wikitruth as a way of destroying Wikipedia once and for all. And unless Jimbo, and those people who love this project fight to sue Wikitruth and get rid of it, then Wikipedia will be destroyed. Sadly, however, List of banned users includes a lot of people who were here to help Wikipedia, and Jimbo has spurned them, leading to this problem. There are so many people sitting on the side lines, who want so much to save this project, who get called "critics" and are then censored out of Wikipedia, because they wanted to help, and actually went out of their way to help the project.
If you want to do something, there are places where your voice will be heard. I am sure that you can follow the links and find such a place. Sadly, on Wikipedia, that voice cannot be heard. See what links have been brushed off as spam and you will see where it is that you can talk freely. Come and you will be welcome. 203.122.231.195 09:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Sam is at times, more adversarial than he needs to be with people, but I have posted a defense on his behalf. Thanks for the heads up. Merecat 15:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Catalysts try to resolve problems, not through the use of authority and special privilege, but by fostering consensus, gently nudging participants in the direction of more appropriate behavior and by generally reducing the level of confrontation rather than confronting users with problems. ~ Ed Poor |
Please refrain from adding nonsense to Wikipedia, as you did to Democratic Party (United States) (( this edit, for instance). It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. - Jersyko· talk 02:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from calling my additions 'nonsense', when they are based on fact. Additionally, the article Democratic Party (United States) is not factual. It is biased and therefore nonsense.
On your page you say: Though it's sometimes easy to forget, please remember to interact civilly with other users and to assume good faith.
Calling another user's edits 'nonsense' just ain't civil. And now I'm gonna be uncivil. You are apparantly, either a Democrat, or you are a person that likes to continue the battery of lies that both the Democrats and the Republicans like to use to tranquilize and confuse the minds of the people.
Apologies accepted. And you are right. I didn't realize I did that, and I should learn how to do this thing right before I mess with it. I apologize, also.
I read the differences from the two of you and will be looking over the article. I saw one of thewolfstar's edits and frankly agree with the message behind it (because it's true), but disagree with the wording of things, as it does not comply with encyclopedia format.
I don't like this other person referred to said edits as 'nonsense' either. They might have been written a bit odd, but they are not 'nonsense' either.
--Macai
Thewolfstar, I moved your comments regarding the NPOV of the Democratic Party article to the article's talk page. You can see the talk page here, your comments are at the bottom. When you believe an article to be in violation of neutral point of view, just post a message on the article's talk page and discuss it there. I understand you're a new user, so don't worry about not adhering to standard proceedure around here at first, it can be difficult to learn. - Jersyko· talk 19:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
from the wolfstar to Jersyko
Thank you for moving my comments to the BOTTOM of this page, which is apparantly the correct place for them as they are added from that place. However you had NO right to remove them from the featured article dsicussion page. You are acting like a tyrant.
You said this: The Democratic party is one of the oldest political parties in the world
This is NOT a fact. End of discussion. Can you prove it? Can you show it's legitimacy in any way? Until you can, don't assert it.
Here is where I got my information regarding who made the following statement:
You wanted this specifically the following to be included in the article.
3. The Democratic party is one of the oldest political parties in the world
I hope we can reach consensus on this issue. Per my comments below, I like number 3. - Jersyko·talk 23:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC) - -The preceding unsigned comment was added by thewolfstar ( talk • contribs) .
Dear Jersyko,
I appreciate your edits and corrections to my additions when they are legitimate: i.e. when I made the bone-headed and careless mistake of removing an infobox.
How can article be closed to further discussion on Wikipedia? If this were true, then an 'edit' link would not be provided, as it always is. Just leave my comments where they are and if you think they would best be seen somewhere else than tell me that.
However what you are doing, for example removing my comments on why an article was not given Featured Article status (on that particular talk page) falls under Wiki's official harassment policy. It was and still is a legitimate observation on why The Dem. Party article did not receive the status of Featured Article.
Additionally my dispute is rational.
If you would like to leave My Dispute on the talk page for now, that is, I understand, the correct way to do things. However, if no one can come up with an argument that sensibly disputes my dispute, I have the right to dispute the Dem Party article, on the article page itself.
I called you a tyrant for the following reasons and for no other, and I was not questioning why you phrased: "the democratic party is one of the oldest parties in the world". I was simply pointing out that you were involved in this writing and this was one of your edits. I agree that out of the three, this is the best choice. However I still dispute the Dem. Party article and what is being suggested here, and hold it to be biased, and object to the way you are harassing me.
If you continue your particular brand of harassment I will report you to the Wiki estblishment.
from the official Wikipedia page on Harassment:
Harassment is defined as a pattern of disruptive behavior that appears to a reasonable and objective observer to have the purpose of causing negative emotions in a targeted person or persons, usually (but not always) for the purpose of intimidating the primary target. The purpose could be to make editing Wikipedia unpleasant for the target, to undermine them, to frighten them, or to encourage them to stop editing entirely.
I believe this to be the case, even though some of your edits of my edits are correct.
thewolfstar
If thewolfstar doesn't stop making vulgar threats to editors he will get banned from Wiki. Rjensen 02:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
If Rjensen, Griot and Jersyko don't stop harassing me there will be trouble. I am not threatening you. I am assuring you. I am preseving Wiki's integrity. You three are working on wrecking Wikipedia in the ways I have already mentioned. End of this pointless discussion. Thewolfstar 02:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Griot, I never said "that FDR was anti-Christian". I said "Jefferson did not care a bit for Christianity." read it again. why did you delete our kind and pleasant conversations with each other? thewolfstar 22:38, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
===I got the welcome to Wikipedia thing 3 times now.=== Once was enough. Please stop sending me this. Thank you Thewolfstar 21:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -- LV (Dark Mark) 04:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Just relax a little bit on the whole name thing. If people call you Wolfman, don't take such offense. If you lash out over something as innocuous as your username, people will be less likely to believe you can compromise on other issues as well. See you around. -- LV (Dark Mark) 04:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Be patient, comment only on the article, not other editors. Merecat 05:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, Merecat. I generally don't comment on the editors. It is the other way around most of the time, as evidenced here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29
I am too tired right now to worry about the correct way of entering that page url
But thanks for what you said in your last comment "Why was that edit nonsense?" Could you send your comment to
Jersyko or comment here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29
That is the first thing said that backed my arguments and edits yet. No, I'm wrong it was the 2nd backup, I have had. Thanks again thewolfstar http://earthhopenetwork.net/
Would you mind not linking your website everytime you sign your name. It is considered spam to do so. Why not make a user page and detail the information there? Thanks. -- LV (Dark Mark) 03:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
What are you disputing about the accuracy? I need to know to try to help you out here, if you have legitimate concerns. -- Northmeister 17:57, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
neutrality under dispute
This article is not written with neutrality. Editors, please read what you have written here: A primary concern of socialism (and, according to some, its defining feature) is social equality and an equitable distribution of wealth that would serve the interests of society as a whole.[1][2]
This may be written, with a more neutral perspective like this:
~ According to Socialists, a primary concern of socialism (and, according to some, its defining feature) is social equality and an equitable distribution of wealth that would serve the interests of society as a whole.[1][2] ~ Thewolfstar 20:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
~ this has been copied from an (above) conversation and inserted below.~ [edit]
Sam Spade's consistent reversions
Sam, could you please state your problem? No other editor has raised an objection to the version which is currently on the page. -- infinity0 21:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
You say that alot, please scroll up. Sam Spade 18:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I scroll up and I see that your objections have been answered to, not only by me. If, as Cberlet says, you have been inserting this sort of thing for months, then you have problems. Please stop it. Furthermore, whatever POV you think my version is biased towards, I think your version is much more biased. -- infinity0 20:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Because someone named Cherlot says something, does not automatically make it true or increase it's relevance, true or not. This tactic, obviously meant to intimidate, reminds one of those used by modern public schools, Gossip Groups, Puritans, states, states and federal government of the United States, Nazis, Communists and Socialists, the GW Bush boys, and last but not least the obviously Democrat Party editors of the Democrat Party article. Peoople who are interested in freedoms do not use tactics. Thewolfstar 20:39, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
___ this stuff was just added by Thewolfstar 21:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC) ____
can be found here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4#.22Neoliberal.22
The Democratic Party (of the United States) article if read carefully, is nothing more than a giant ad for the Democratic Party of the United States. Their lawyer is Jersyko. After kicking Jersyko's butt in a lawyeristic debate, the entire talk page suddenly dissapeared. This comment was left on the talk page. Interestingly, there hasn't been any talk since I was banned by the democrats. here is what you see now on the talk page:
I've archived again. Any more incomprehensible rants by wolfstar will be immediately archived. john k 21:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Thewolfstar. I noted (and reverted) your edits to John Kenney's and Jersyko's usertalk pages. There is no excuse for nasty personal attacks and harassment. Just don't make them. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 10:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC).
I would agree with you about some of the earlier quarrels belonging in the lame editwars article. And thanks for pointing me to the lame editwars page. It is hilarious.
My question is this:
Why was this edit removed from your talk page? --
Jake, thanks for holding the fort against that Wolf character in the Democratic Party article. Guys like him, who want to use Wikipedia to pontificate their opinions, are a real danger to the whole enterprise. I'm glad you're standing up to him. Griot 00:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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Please don't remove this again or remove my comments here now. Or, if you do, it really makes you look bad. I don't have the feeling that you are a bad guy. I think you are a good guy, truly. Be careful who you listen to 8bitJake. There are a lot of sneaky characters around. I mean this only in the kindest regards towards you. Maybe the Democratic Party can change and fight all the corruption, and I believe it really needs some serious change, if young people like you work hard on making changes.
Howard Dean, from what I understand, is a very decent guy. Barabara Boxer also is a fighter and has shown real bravery in the face of strong opposition.
in peace, thewolfstar 21:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks! thewolfstar 23:34, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dude, Normally I would have to say 'Yeah, Dude you are right.'
The strange occurences that have occured in the last couple of weeks, since I joined the editing and debating about thing make it different. Some people are trying to manipulate you to do their deeds. I don't want to say anything more specific than that as I would like to continue the peace rather than the war.
Thanks and I'll check out the Bush talk page.
in peace and justice for the wildthings
Whatever you do stay as you are. Maggie thewolfstar 23:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, this is pretty cool I didn't notice it before. Why didn't you do that when you left me you're message? Maggie thewolfstar 00:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi again, thewolfstar, thanks for your message. I'm sorry, but no, it turns out I don't have time to research this edit war of yours; it's too coomplicated, and I have too much Real Life going on. But no matter what the background, it seems to me that it would be a good idea for you to apologize to the users involved. (There's not so much point in apologizing to me!) Best wishes, Bishonen | talk 07:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC).
Well, I really think it would have been more fair if Bishonen had told me that. I still won't apologize to these guys until I think I should apologize. This is somthing that I can only make a decision on. Too, I am not a person that has a hard time with apologies or amends when I believe they should be made. Another thing, I am new on Wikipedia. My first editing experience has been terrible. Is this the way Wikipedia wants it to be for newcomers or any editors? I find that hard to believe going from what I've read from Wikipedia itself. thewolfstar 21:37, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, I disagree with you. Maggie has been treated rudely and has also treated others rudely - this much we know, But what also is true is that few are actually trying to help her be at peace with others. If information being conveyed was noted as being from an Admin, it would help a distressed editor more readily accept that information as valid. Merecat 13:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. The "excuse" we are to grant her is one of unilateral compassion. If we treat her right for a while, she will begin to trust and start getting along. If you don't understand this, then I dear say, you don't understand people. Merecat 14:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Maggie, I got you mixed up with User:Kmweber, who did attack the wikipedia community in general in an edit summary, and persisted in attacking me on her first comment to me ever, after i informed her of the NPA policy. I sincerely apologize for my undue remarks, and rescind what I crossed off above. Sorry.
That being said, please refrain from spamming my talk page with cathartic vitriol. Thank you. Kevin Baas talk 23:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I only meant more fair concerning my comment that it was none of her business. I still stand on what I have said. I don't feel that I said anything 'obscene' to anyone. I have only responded to the crudeness, lies and harassment of others (Griot, John K, Jersyko and Rjensen). I don't feel, in the light of the entire situation, I have done anything wrong.
I respond with kindness myself when I am shown kindness.
I don't feel that I was trolling Bishonen. I feel that I was as civil or uncivil, to her, as she was to me. Please don't accuse me of stuff if you don't know what you're talking about. I believe that I didn't say anything to Bishonen that she didn't deserve.
Why is it that no one will look at the actions of these others and at this situation for what it is?
Why is it that Jersyko, Griot, Rjensen, and John K have gotten no admonishment?
Additionally, I was feeling a lot less hostile toward all of these (above) people until Bishonen stepped in and made those remarks on my talk page. She only stirred my emotions up. Things had started to calm down, work was getting done, and peace was starting to settle in.
When someone, anyone makes a remark on my talk page, they can expect me to make remarks on their talk page. This seems reasonable to me.
When I believe my actions toward others are just and reasonable, I don't back down to anyone. The only one that can ultimately tell me I am wrong and back me up against a wall, against my will is God. If I get banned from Wikipedia for defending myself, when I believe I am right, then it's on Wikipedia.
Before accusing me of all this stuff, and if you have any sense of justice or have any human compassion,.I think that you ought to look at the facts of this situation.
What is the matter with you people? thewolfstar 22:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I saw your name tagged onto the alert page and wanted to check in. Looks like you didn't waste any time getting to work on Democratic Party (United States); it's always good to have a new voice in controversial articles. Of course, that same controversy and differing opinion can also cause a lot of stress, and it sounds like that's the reason you posted up on the Alert page. Having an undergrad degree in Political Science, I know how hot a political conflict can get... and is the same reason that I don't do anything remotely related to my degree now.
At any rate, I notice that the bulk of your recent contributions have been on the article's talk page or talk pages of various users. When the editing gets hot, people can get irritated in those places. If I can make an unsolicited suggestion, I've found that when I'm in the same circumstance, it helps me to step away from the issue for a couple of days to take on a less-controversial article that's still related to my interest. That way, I can stay in touch with the topic I'm focused upon, but in a manner that will let me do some edits without having run every little word change through consensus. With the benefit of the history tab, it's not like anything really will be missed after a break.
Let me or any other Esperanzan know if we can help in any way. Tijuana Brass ¡Épa!- E@ 23:39, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
--- Hey Tijuana Brass, Thanks. You just have. Just having a person talk to me with kindness and respect is all I need sometimes. I'll see if I can follow your suggestions. I might just get away from Wikipedia altogether for a while. thewolfstar 23:52, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Thought I should break this off from the Esperanza header.
I wish I could suggest a resource about humanitarian anarchism, but I barely know anything about it myself. It's disappointing that third parties are looked over so often in schools; I don't recall studying any while in college and had to pick up my natural law obsession during an independent study. I noticed, though, that there's no mention of humanitarian anarchism whatsoever on Wikipedia... maybe you could take that on by adding it into the anarchism article or even starting its own. Let me know if you do, I'd be interested in learning more about it.
As for the RfC, take a look over the material posted near the top. There's a part which summarizes the objections against parties involved, and should include links that reference the situation. It can be tedious to go through, so fair warning. Tijuana Brass ¡Épa!- E@ 17:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
kevin baas,
You said I made a comment on your page without knowing you.
I noticed this on your page:
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RFC started on Merecat
In light of recent events (not discussing disputed edits, edit warring and making personal attacks) this
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Merecat has been started. Maybe you want to make an observation there, if not OK. Sincerely
Nomen Nescio
18:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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at which time I posted this comment
Can a person gain an historical perspective on a gang of dominating bullies from this page?
No, I 'm not familiar with the whole case, as you are not familiar with mine. I find you unfriendly. If you find me unfriendly, that's fine. To be honest, at least right now. I don't feel much inclination to be friendly with you.
I find this whole rfc thing to be distasteful and downright ugly. I find the atmosphere in Wikipedia to be both nasty, intimidating to an unprotected population, and remarkably like the police state one can find in a typical 2nd grade classroom... After Susie goads Danny.. Mrs. Schnopheiseeeeer Danny said a bad word. Mrs Schnopheiseeeeer
Mrs. Schnopheiserrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Danny peed in his pants. Mrs. Schnopheiseeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
(Sort of reminds one also of the mass mind controlled robots in Orwell's 1984 and especially the children trained for spying on their parents for the purpose of routing them out, and reporting them to Big Brother.)
There are also some good, kind people on Wikipedia. It took me a while to find them..or maybe they found me.
The best all around person I know on Wikipedia so far is Merecat and you people have an rfc on him.
Merecat is kind. He is helpful and fair to all. He has defended me in the face of strong opposition against a bullying gang of editors who shamelessly harass newcomers, who lie, use ruthless control, scare tactics and gather others to help them in their harassment campaign. He is a person, from all I can see, who is not afraid to stand up to a group of nasty, mean, controlling people. He is an intelligent and able contributor to Wikipedia. He is patient.
I am also such a person, just not as friendy when attacked. You, Kevin Baas, don't fool me, nor apparantly, do you fool Merecat.
I will defend Merecat because he is a friend, he is a person worthy of defense, and because I detest bullies like you and all the petty nitpicking
[3]ic
[crap] that goes on in this place. For anyone that finds offense at the word crap, or finds it obscene, or anything I have said thus far, oh well..
1.) Get out more, this is not an obscenity.
2) I don't speak newspeak.
3.) I don't like my words or my thoughts to be controlled by anyone but myself.
4.)I believe in the Bill of Rights,
freedom is a good thing, kindness another good thing.
I noticed this on the rfc on merecat page:
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Users certifying the basis for this dispute
{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}
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I see that there's talk of 2 rfc's on your talk page.
Why don't you grow up? And learn to act with kindness and fairness to all. Didn't your parents teach you any manners or values when you were a child?
Maggie thewolfstar 23:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, well thanks for the words of support. I will say, that you should choose your battles carefully though here on wikipedia. Don't do something to get yourself kicked off, especially if it isn't really worth it. And although it may be hard, you really should try not to piss too many people off too much (unless it's really worth it). Nothing productive comes from making personal attacks on wikipedia--I tried it once [4]. Stay safe out there. If you need any help just ask. The Ungovernable Force 05:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words. I expect the Nescio, Ryan, Kevin howling mob might come after you with complaints sometime. If they do or anyone else does, please keep me posted so I can help defend you. Remember to focus on cited edits to reliable sources - "the pen is mightier than the sword". Merecat 05:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
And ya know what? I don't give a rat's ass if they do come after me. You and I together, Merecat can kick some serious Governmental butt. Even on our own we come up against a lot. I don't know how you can take this rfc thing or the obvious campaign they have going against you now, though.
There's a lot of them in Wikipedia. They're kind of like a mob or something. The Wiki Mafia? Or is the CIA? Oh yeah, I forgot they're kinda related. Or is that the holy Roman Catholic Church? Or the young Socialists of the world? The old right-wing Christian voters Or, wait a minute the Nazis..the the Republicraps. The Republicrats. Foul language. The Republicans. The Communists...?
I know who it is. Could it be? Oh my gosh.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU. in solidarity against the mob Maggie thewolfstar 06:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Merecat, as always your comments to me are helpful. I guess I chose a topic that was bound to bring on the warlords. I also am on a mission to lower POV in political articles. It's hard work. Holy cow. It's hard work. Maggie thewolfstar 06:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi...thanks for leaving the note on my talk page. Nice to see other music lovers around here. Hope you enjoy wikipedia...if you ever need help, just give me a holler...although I'm not on that much anymore...Ciao!-- Violin G irl ♪ 18:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Very well. I've italicised my replies to your questions below, so that we can hopefully see who says what. Bishonen | talk 22:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC).
Dear Bishonon
questions:
Is there any excuse for how they treated me and other newcomers, or anyone that questions them?
Is there any excuse for their ganging up on, and even gathering people for the express purpose of ganging up on one person, particularly a newcomer to Wikipedia?
Is there any excuse for their deliberately lying to a newcomer or others in order to keep her from editing?
Is there any excuse for their insulting a newcomer, calling her names like 'loon' and 'ignorant' in order to discourage her from even discussing their article?
Is there any excuse for their constant barage of scare tactics done, I believe to discourage a newcomer from editing, and possibly even driving her away altogether? And yes. I am prepared to back that claim up.
Please see Wiki's Harrassment Policy Wikipedia:Harassment [
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You said, my dear Bishonon, "that there was no excuse for your attacks (or, incidentally, your foul language)"
What foul language?
You also said "I think I have Jersyko's page watchlisted for some reason."
And what reason would that be?
I do take responsibility for my actions. That's not what's questioned here, at least that's not what I am questioning.
Can you please answer these questions?
Thanks again, thewolfstar 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Since this isn't the result of an AC meeting, I have decided to go Old Skool. This note is to remind you that the elections are taking place now and will end at 23:50 UTC on 2006-04-29. Please vote here. Thanks. -- Cel es tianpower háblame 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm very confused. That's not my name. Is that slang for something? Kasreyn 03:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
You recently left a comment here Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/User:Mr j galt which was clearly joshing around. I have struck out some text so that others will know you were only joshing. Please be careful to avoid the appearance of harsh comments. You'll get in problems if your comments are misudnerstood. Also, I did vote at that RfC. Thanks for the heads up. Merecat 16:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Let's not have anymore references to personal violence...seems a bit fascist to tell someone they "ought to be shot".-- MONGO 19:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Fascist..an interesting choice of words.
Please go here and check this out. I can't say this admin is a fascist. Fascist Smascist Socialist..all the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre
I don't object to the gun. Please educate yourself and look at this article Daniel Shays as far as guns and shooting people is concerned.
We have a 2nd amendment of the Constitution... Remember The one that all you liberals worked so hard at undermining since the turn of the 20th century.
Check out the policies of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. They both had a blast with unarming the populace.
Get a grip. thewolfstar 19:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Addition:
Get a sense of humor.
thewolfstar
19:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I thought I made it clear that I detest fascists and socialists. (Same thing). If you block me after I just pointed you to the above admin page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Geogre then it's on you and says something about you.
You said "Don't again mention that anyone "ought to be shot". Understand? Hope so.--"
What threat is this exactly? I still am pretty new on Wiki, my start date is March 22, 2006 thewolfstar 20:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Yassah, Massah
thewolfstar
02:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Gee, that's funny because I could swear it was you who first personally attacked me by calling me a fascist. It looks as though you are disruptive doesn't it now? thewolfstar 09:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay, Mongo. If that was an apology, then apology accepted. Somehow I get the feeling you're a nice guy now. peace Maggie thewolfstar 09:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I can most definitely id with that one. I drank like a pig fo 20 years. I've been sober for 21 1/2 years now. When I drank...you think I'm obnoxious now? thewolfstar 09:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I did see the movie many years ago and it was hilarious. I don't remember the caharacter 'Mongo' or even much of the movie now, though. Thanks for the tip thewolfstar 15:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Dear Bishonon
questions:
Is there any excuse for how they treated me and other newcomers, or anyone that questions them?
Is there any excuse for their ganging up on, and even gathering people for the express purpose of ganging up on one person, particularly a newcomer to Wikipedia?
Jake, thanks for holding the fort against that Wolf character in the Democratic Party article. Guys like him, who want to use Wikipedia to pontificate their opinions, are a real danger to the whole enterprise. I'm glad you're standing up to him. Griot 00:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
(this following what I said on the page, I'm not saying it now.)
and then going to 8bitJake's talk page, if it remains there and is not deleted:
Is there any excuse for their deliberately lying to a newcomer or others in order to keep her from editing?
made to deliberately confuse a newcomer and which was as easy to see through as a glass of water:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4
Is there any excuse for their insulting a newcomer, calling her names like 'loon' and 'ignorant' in order to discourage her from even discussing their article?
You could have found this real easily (Ctrl F)
Is there any excuse for their constant barage of scare tactics done, I believe to discourage a newcomer from editing, and possibly even driving her away altogether? And yes. I am prepared to back that claim up.
Please see Wiki's Harrassment Policy Wikipedia:Harassment [
[7]]
You said, my dear Bishonon, "that there was no excuse for your attacks (or, incidentally, your foul language)"
What foul language?
You also said "I think I have Jersyko's page watchlisted for some reason." And what reason would that be?
-
I do take responsibility for my actions. That's not what's questioned here, at least that's not what I am questioning.
You might check this out yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Merecat&diff=prev&oldid=49565423%20personal%20attacks
Can you please answer these questions?
Maggie thewolfstar 17:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again, thewolfstar 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The above rant is offensive in the extreme. Bishonen is one of our most-trusted users, and the amount of goodwill you burn up by comparing her to a Nazi Stormtrooper is... amazing. I suspect people have shown you these links before: Wikipedia:Civility. Wikipedia:No personal attacks. meta:Don't be a dick. You really need to read them. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually no. However,
I suspect people have shown you these links before: Wikipedia:Civility. Wikipedia:No personal attacks. meta:Don't be a dick. You really need to read them. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 18:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Particularly
meta:Don't be a dick This particular bit was, if I'm not mistaken, written particularly for dickhead admins such as yourself. There is an advice to blocking admins page where 'Don't be a dick' is suggested to the blocking admins. Funny thing.
Which you have so clearly shown yourself to be. (A dick) Just a suggestion, Bunchofgrapes..a little introspection might be in order here. thewolfstar 21:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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KillerChihuahua ?!? 18:55, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for telling me how to do this the correct way
KillerChihuahua
?!? I honestly don't know if I'll get it right, but I'm trying. Maggie
thewolfstar
19:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I was confusing bunchofgrapes with KillerChihuahua.
Will KillerChihuahua please tell me why I have been blocked. This is the second time I asked this question. Why is there a place to contest my block if no one reads the contest?
I would appreciate it one of you would read what I wrote (above) as a response to Bishonen who really insulted me many times.
Please don't call my hard research rants
Will someone please read what I write before accusing me of all sorts of things?
Thanks.
ps Please check this out (an admin friend of Bishonen) [
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The gun and the delete page it points to..Is this a Wiki nicenessthing? I sorta don't think so. But what would I know. I'm a user that's been blocked.
Thanks again. Maggie thewolfstar 20:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
ps Bishonen. Thank you for proving me right.
"The above rant" was an insult that was made to me. Before I made insults back. Why isn't this user blocked? Please answer this question. thewolfstar 21:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
I still haven't received an anwser to my question. I won't ask it again, you nasty socialist-nazi admins and editors are making a real mistake. This is not a threat. This a statement of fact.
FACT. A funny word on Wikipedia. What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?
One could write a song perhumnps.
"What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?"
I can't wait until the goons are caught by the media
It's really such a shame.
What was great is now so lame.
"What happened to the facts on Wikipediabr>
I miss it now it's gone
Destroyed by the Socialist throng.
What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?
author Maggie
thewolfstar
22:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
note to the Cabal and it's goons.. start to watch for changes on this site http://earthhopenetwork.net/ thewolfstar 22:43, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Please read WP:CIVIL for our policy regarding civility. You might also want to read WP:NPA for our policy on personal attacks. Regarding your accusations of socialism: this website is the private property of the Wikipedia Foundation; please abide by its rules if you wish to continue editing here. -- Karada 00:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I think you might do the same. You are hardly civil. You drop onto my talk page univited when I can only comment here and am blocked. You accuse me of attacking the socialists which under the circumstances is not so outlandish. And then you threaten me as if you were spesking for the Wikipedia foundation. Wow.
Ya' got me shakin' in my boots.
Jimbo is going to love all of this.
You are not following Wiki's guide to blocking.
You just broke 6 rules my dear administrator. Keep it up. I would check my administration status frequently from now on. thewolfstar 01:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see WP:BP#Disruption: "excessive personal attacks" are specifically mentioned. You have engaged in a pattern of abuse of Bishonen, Geogre, Bunchofgrapes, and others. I see nowhere that Bunchofgrapes violated the NPA policy. Please provide a diff to support your assertion: if you don't know how to make a diff link let me know. KillerChihuahua ?!? 04:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Killerchihuahua,
Thanks for offering to help me. You're right I don't know how to make a diff link.
peace, Maggie
thewolfstar
04:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
A diff link is the full url (starting with http://) of an edit on Wikipedia. Bunchofgrapes has added the diff link to the section above. Describing your diatribe against Bishonen as a "rant" is desriptive terminology, not a personal attack. A personal attack would be, for instance, "nasty socialist-nazi admins". One is describing your post, one is describing a person or persons in insulting terminology. Do you see the difference? KillerChihuahua ?!? 04:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Whether my comments made to Bishonen, at her request, were a "diatribe against Bishonen"
and whether a "rant" is descriptive terminology"..
is a matter of opinion. Obviously not mine. If one were to read what I wrote to Bishonen, rather than form an opinion of it beforehand, and also bother to follow the links I provided, a product of much work at her request, one would see that I made some very valid points, indeed. Please read it.
When I read what Bunchofgrapes had to say I was angered by his dismissal of what I had to say (to Bishonen). Because after all what I had to say was and still is valid.
I don't know how to put this any more simply and to the point.
Additionally, if you look back at this archived article talk page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4#Comments_from_thewolfstar you will see a history of attacks made on me by others.
Especially please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29#Archived this.
Please see above http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Thewolfstar&redirect=no#response_to_Bishonen
I like most people, don't react well to hostility. Should I have reamained calm anyway? Possibly. But at times I did so and I was either igonored, lied to, harassed, ganged up on, etc. Please bother to read this page. Now I am sitting in jail. And my questions are still not answered, at least not with anything that approaches honesty or openmindedness.
Look here
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Thewolfstar&redirect=no#to_Bishonen
Where I have already made links to rudeness and PA by others, and also pointed out the gathering of other editors to further harass me, etc. (I didn't make the proper diff link, because bone-headedly I didn't realize how simple that was.)
I am growing exhausted by all this. I am asked to show something. I show it and then it is ignored.
I have done enough work to state my case. Please follow my links this time.
Thank you in advance for looking at this in an unbiased way.
Maggie
thewolfstar
05:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi KillerChihuahua. I see that you posted a comment on Tijuana Brass's talk page and told him that I was requesting his knowledge of my block. That was actually really kind of you.
I thank you sincerely for that, it was a very kind and thoughtful gesture Maggie thewolfstar 08:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
peace Maggie thewolfstar 11:21, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I won't respond to your taunts and misunderstandings about myself, but only tell you that you're mistaken in thinking yourself ever "ganged up on", since, in summary, that was what you asked me to investigate. Example: where you say editors have been "deliberately lying to a newcomer ... in order to keep her from editing", it's you who've made a mistake. This diff link shows you, yourself, removing (no doubt by mistake) the edit you just made. Scroll down a little to see. Nobody reverted you, nobody lied to you, nobody tried to confuse you. People tried to explain to you how things work here. With amazing mildness, considering the way you speak to them. Please stop posting on my page now. Bishonen | talk 17:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC).
Maggie, please post a sincere apology on this page to those editors whom have taken offense at some of your comments. Some of your comments have been excessively harsh. A little kindness goes along way. Your friend, Merecat 17:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Merecat, I will make sincere apologies to a few people. These will be the people that I believe I owe apologies to. I will not make arbitrary apologies to people just because they have taken offense to comments I have made. Guaranteed they have said or done something to me or to someone else that was exceedingly harsh and hateful and to which I have taken real offense to.
An example of this is a quite nasty comment I made to Nescio and others on the RFC of Mr. J Galt.
Try to listen carefully to what I say so I don't confuse anyone.
I believe down deep in my heart, that there is no excuse for an rfc. ANY RFC. rfc's should not exist.
People are hung there to rot while others say horrible things to them. They probably got there the same way I got here.
I will apologize to some when they apologize to you and to all the people they have harassed and hung up to be publicly scrutinized and bashed in an rfc.
A little kindness goes along way.
How about that?
I will be back in a little while. I will make some apologies.
If anyone thinks I owe them an apology then let me know and I'll consider it.
thewolfstar
18:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
It's my birthday today. Feel free to wish me a 'happy birthday' anytime. And thanks for setting me free.. I guess.
WOW Thanks! Flawiki and RyanFreisling Maggie thewolfstar 23:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I left a message for you on your talk page and also an unblock request on User talk:KillerChihuahua. Those were the comments I mentioned. Merecat 01:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Please everyone check this out. an article for deletion ??? This is scary, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Unlawful_enemy_combatant forgot to sign thewolfstar 22:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC) thewolfstar 03:21, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Bishonen please don't tell me what I write is obscenity when your conversations with Geogre are so much ickkier. For example this deleted one.
+:Oh, and for comparison, see the history tab on Attalus I. It has been vandalized even more than yours was. I think, when it's an interesting story, the turds vandalize it less. The 11 year olds clearly don't like Attalus I. ("You must be this tall to ride the Wikipedia.")
Geogre
21:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
really Geogre. Gross.
Jersey Devil said this to me Please see this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29/Archive_4#an_edit_I_made_tonight
Also, it was you who removed your own edit not a "neutral Democrat buddy" as you say in your above statement. And after this, you added an NPOV tag. Since it seems that you removed your own edit and then claimed "NPOV" I am taking off the tag. [12] P.S. I am still waiting for other comments with regards to the "Ideological Base" section.--Jersey Devil 09:34, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Then Jersey Devil said
And after this, you added an NPOV tag. Since it seems that you removed your own edit and then claimed "NPOV" I am taking off the tag.
Maybe somone will explain to me to me how this makes some sense. I am new and possibly I am missing something here.
I just said my prayers, which have helped me to put things in perspective. (if this is something I am allowed to say in public these days). My son said this to me the other day and I believe it to be the fairest statement made thus far.
He said "Ma, You're all wrong. You have all broken Wiki policy, and therefore are all wrong. You should all be punished for this" He showed more wisdom with this statement then I or any of us, (except Merecat and Tijuana Brass.)
I do apologize to Nescio. I still don't like what he's doing here with this rfc, but I said something unusually viscious to him on Mr J Galt's rfc talk page. Nescio, please except my apologies for that second comment I made back to you, it was harsh and cruel.
I would like to congratulate Pongo for being an all around good guy with a sense of humor.
Jersyko and I have already aplogized to each other once, here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thewolfstar#From_thewolfstar
Lots went on after that. I say that we can handle our own affairs, both of us. We are not children. We can and should take care of ourselves and take responsibility for own actions. If we need to apologize to each other again some day, I suspect that we will do so. If we don't, it's on us. I think that we will as we are both basically civilized people
The Block you have on me and the ban that is being intimated are illegal. The legal Wiki process has not been gone through:
Please see this: (found here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Effects_of_being_blocked
Blocks are most frequently used to deal with vandalism and to enforce bans, most often by the Arbitration Committee. There are other less common situations where blocks are appropriate, which are listed below. In all cases, blocks are preventative rather than punitive, and serve only to avoid damage to Wikipedia. Blocks normally last 24 hours unless specified otherwise below, and in most instances will be lifted if the editor agrees to stop the damaging behavior.
This has never gone to arbitration. Arbitration is the first process in a block or proposed ban. Please see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee
The Arbitration Committee exists to impose binding solutions to Wikipedia disputes. This solution may be anything up to and including a ban from editing Wikipedia for a period of time.
The Arbitration Committee is the last step in the dispute resolution process - it is a last resort to be turned to when all else has failed. Other steps, including discussion between users and, where appropriate, mediation, should be tried first. The Arbitration Committee exists to deal with only the most serious disputes and cases of rule-breaking.
You who have blocked me and would like to ban me have not followed legal procedure. You have not even done one step in the process that comes before arbitration, never mind the last resort to blocking or banning.
This will not go down well in the annals of Wiki history, I would guess.
If you do decide to ban me. Goodbye to Merecat, Tijuana Brass, John Kenney, Killer Chihuahua, Violin Girl, all the Esperanzans, someone named Matt Yeager, Hogeye who I don't really know.. I just like his Chutzpah, Mr J Galt..don't know personally either, Jersyko, 8bitJake, Pongo, and many others I will miss you.
But I fear for my sanity, which has gone steadily down hill since I joined this thing.
I'm not sure if I'm dealing with a cabal or this is just a giant insane asylum
Maggie thewolfstar 03:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 04:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd advise you to review WP:NPA about making personal attacks, and WP:RPA which states that I'm allowed to remove the personal attacks you make. In this case that would be almost the entire page, but for contextual reasons I'll leave it here. On merecats page, do NOT do it again. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 05:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Isn't that the funniest thing. Some people think you are being uncivil. thewolfstar 05:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
NO ACTUALLY YOU DON'T DO IT AGAIN DON'T DELETE MY COMMENTS AGAIN thewolfstar 05:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't know.
And how did you come to hear of them, Theresa Knott
thewolfstar
05:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Theresa Knott It's rude to make bossy statement on someone's page when they are blocked and not answer when asked a question. Please ansewr my questions.
Aside from that who invited you into this conversaton? Not me that's for sure. thewolfstar 05:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Maggie, I am talking up for you with admin hopeful Swatjester on my talk page. I will stand up for you as best as I can where can. Please help me in that by talking more nicely as soon as possible. Thanks. Merecat 05:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
If you quit, they win. Just stop talking to them. And don't say anything harsh to anyone. Merecat 05:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Neither of those two regimes lasted. One lasted about 20 years, the other 60. Merecat 06:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
see definition of dictatorship. http://earthhopenetwork.net/the_solution.htm#dic thewolfstar 06:20, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Swat is right. It's not a fair comparison.
Merecat
06:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Maybe a xanax would help, or perhaps some prozac. thewolfstar 05:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Look Scwatz, you asked some dumbish questions about ethnic cleansing. Give me a break. I answered you.
Wiki has rules. It has procedure that is supposed to be followed by everyone, both the regular editors and the admins. This is the second time the admins have put me in here illiegally by Wiki's own rules.
Wiki Policy
The Blocks you have on me are illegal. The legal Wiki process has not been gone through either time:
Please see this: (found here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Effects_of_being_blocked
Blocks are most frequently used to deal with vandalism and to enforce bans, most often by the Arbitration Committee. There are other less common situations where blocks are appropriate, which are listed below. In all cases, blocks are preventative rather than punitive, and serve only to avoid damage to Wikipedia. Blocks normally last 24 hours unless specified otherwise below, and in most instances will be lifted if the editor agrees to stop the damaging behavior.
This has never gone to arbitration. Arbitration is the first process in a block or proposed ban. Please see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee
The Arbitration Committee exists to impose binding solutions to Wikipedia disputes. This solution may be anything up to and including a ban from editing Wikipedia for a period of time.
The Arbitration Committee is the last step in the dispute resolution process - it is a last resort to be turned to when all else has failed. Other steps, including discussion between users and, where appropriate, mediation, should be tried first. The Arbitration Committee exists to deal with only the most serious disputes and cases of rule-breaking.
You who have blocked me and would like to ban me have not followed legal procedure. You have not even done one step in the process that comes before arbitration, never mind the last resort to blocking or banning.
How about that? thewolfstar
Thewolfstar: Please review WP:NPA, which is policy. It states:
"Many Wikipedians remove personal attacks on third parties on sight, and although this isn't policy it's often seen as an appropriate reaction to extreme personal abuse. Users have been banned for repeatedly engaging in personal attacks. Abusive edit summaries are particularly ill-regarded."
and "There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them."
and In extreme cases, an attacker may be blocked under the "disruption" clause of the blocking policy
Finally, please spell my name right. It's SWATJester, as you can obviously see. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 06:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
dispute resolution? mediation? arbitration?
hello? thewolfstar 06:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Just let it go for a few days. Tempers will cool and your block will be over. Merecat 06:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
? thewolfstar 06:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You who have blocked me and would like to ban me have not followed legal procedure. You have not even done one step in the process that comes before arbitration, never mind the last resort to blocking or banning.
How about that? thewolfstar 06:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
In extreme cases, a block can be immediatly given without arbitration, as shown to you above by me. This is something like the third time I have asked you to review the policy at
WP:NPA Your block was perfectly legal. Please stop insinuating that it wasn't. It doesn't help your case. If yuo dispute it, once you're unblocked, take it up at arbcom, or ask Merecat to do it for you.
⇒
SWATJester
Ready
Aim
Fire!
06:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I know that the first amendment doesn't apply here. Let's just get past that for a moment.
One thing that pisses me off more than anyhting is when someone tells me I don't have any constitutional rights.
As far as our government is concerned.. here is first amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
This is clear and simple. Do you understand that? thewolfstar 08:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Can someone say something please? thewolfstar 08:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Amazing how quiet you all are now while you all watch my every move like a hawk.
Don't have much to say to that do you?
Congress does not have the right to remove my freedom of speech. And no son of a bitch is going to take it away from me. Remember Shays Rebellion? thewolfstar
That's why we have a bill of rights.
There should be a national holiday for Daniel Shays.
thewolfstar
09:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kasreyn, thanks for what you said above. I am growing exhausted in this place and I know that's what they want. I may sound paranoid, but if you look over the two pages of edit wars I had with the original contributors you'll see what I mean. I felt like I was walking around in a looney bin with a bunch of high brow philosophers who were pointing to various aspects and attributes of the angels who dance on the head of a pin. It took me ages to introduce what are normally considered simple ideas and concepts. If you could check out some of the links I provided to Bishonen and that she ignored, you'll see what I mean about gathering people to harass a newcomer or anyone who has a difference of opinion.
In a week I managed to get three paragraphs changed in the article. I've said many times that I don't care about the old wars anymore. The point is it shouldn't take all this work just to get fact into an article. Any article. I'm starting to see that the guard dogs have their fists on all kinds of articles, not just controversial ones.
Please see my song above "What happened to the facts on Wikipedia?" It is not I that I am concerned about here. It is the survival of Wikipedia.
Maybe not that many people care. I do.
Check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tijuana_Brass
talk page. A comment I made to him, a freindly one was deleted twice. Can you go and ask him for help, please?
I really need his help now and I found a couple of days ago that he's an admin.
Thanks Kasreyn and much peace, Maggie thewolfstar 10:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Maggie. Er, Wolfstar. Wolfmaggie. I tend to mix real names and wikinames... that's probably a sign that I need to get off of the encyclopedia more.
Sorry for the delay in writing you, been very off and on here the past couple of days. Sorry also that you've had the frustration of edit conflicts; it happens to everyone here sooner or later, you just had the misfortune of having it sooner, it seems. I'm glad that there's been some good people like Merecat and Swatjester around giving advice; I haven't really read over your talk page or looked over the links too much, but I recognize a lot of names involved and know that they're mostly real good people... so perhaps it's just an instance of good people butting heads, not sure. In any case, glad to see the block is over and that you didn't take it as a personal offense, storming off and leaving Wikipedia... that'd be a real shame. How's the progress coming along on creating a Humanistic anarchism article, or an addition to Anarchism of that nature? I'm really looking forward to seeing it.
By the way, it's late, but happy birthday! Sorry to have missed it on the day of. I was three days late in wishing happy birthday to my best friend this month; I should probably brush up on that. Tijuana Brass ¡Épa!- E@ 11:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
You are not alone. Out there, many others have been blocking with out Arbitration Committee. We filing class action lawsuit against Wikipedia, join would you? Cannot violate our rights, Wikipedia can. we must stop them, before they continue to censor vital info plz???? thx. -- Av i ll ia ( RfC vs CVU) 21:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
What a thing. Class Action lawsuits. Wow.
Need you now thanks for stepping in. lots of peace Maggie
thewolfstar
22:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
are ya' still there? Can you contact that very cool guy I think his name is TJBeatty and ask for his help? Thanks. Maggie thewolfstar 22:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Merecat can you contact Tbeatty thewolfstar 22:30, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Tbeatty is blocked!
thewolfstar
22:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Duh, Tbeatty is not blocked. twas me that were blocked.
Merecat are you still around?
thewolfstar
22:44, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks KillerChihuahua
Can you ask him or her to come here, please and talk to me? ThanksMaggie
thewolfstar
22:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
what's up? --
Tbeatty
23:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Are you still here Tbeatty? thewolfstar 23:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for coming here and talking to me. And thanks for what you said on Merecat's page about the delete done on my comments to Merecat. Can you help me with this whole thing? Maggie thewolfstar 23:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
TBeatty are you there? thewolfstar 23:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC) thewolfstar 23:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't have any intention of making any lawsuit against the Wikipedia Foundation. I will protest in other ways within the Wiki community, though. thanks Maggie thewolfstar 22:39, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you please leave comments at the bottom of this page and start a new edit with them. I am having a hard time finding comments. Thanks, thewolfstar 22:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for coming here and talking to me. And thanks for what you said on Merecat's page about the delete done on my comments to Merecat. Can you help me with this whole thing? Maggie thewolfstar 23:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
TBeatty are you there? thewolfstar 23:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
I can honestly say, after calming down and laying back a little, that this is the nastiest atmosphere I have ever encountered in my life anywhere. What do you have to say to that? thewolfstar 23:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Those are brutal nasty cliques those high school cliques. So saying its no nastier compared to that, ain't saying much.
I am finding it worse than high school, where I was ridiculed for being different. I held my own, though. thewolfstar 23:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
School committee meeting are and can be horrendous, too, true. thewolfstar 23:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Theresa, In all due respect, who it is for exactly? thewolfstar 00:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I've heard about much as I am going to hear about civlity.
Why is it that I sit here in jail and other uncivil people walk free?
Particularly ones who have insulted me, for instance?
thewolfstar
00:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not buying it Merecat. That only partly answers the question.
Having a hard time answering that one are you? thewolfstar 00:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Look back at first comment I received from anyone at the top of this page. thewolfstar 00:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Merecat, I can't even believe you just said that. Of all the people I have seen in this place ot intereacted with personally, I am the most original one at creating solutions. thewolfstar 00:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been blocked for more than 24 hours now. When did my block start and when do I get unblocked? thewolfstar 00:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I need to know when this block started and when I am getting off.
I am not the enemy.
thewolfstar
00:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Can you find out please? I'd really appreciate it.
thewolfstar
01:07, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Here is the log you pointed me to. It says Drini unblocked me as his last action.
View (previous 50) (next 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500).
* 16:13, 27 April 2006 Drini unblocked Thewolfstar (contribs) (should have calmed by now) * 04:57, 27 April 2006 Drini blocked "Thewolfstar (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (aggresive attacks, namecalling other wikipedians) * 18:53, 25 April 2006 KillerChihuahua blocked "Thewolfstar (contribs)" with an expiry time of 24 hours (personal attacks)
'??????????????????????' thewolfstar 01:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
This is getting so boring. If I leave, guaranteed you just lost one of the best editors you ever had. thewolfstar 01:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
You only continue to convince me of your deep incivilty and lack of basic human understnding and respect. I am not an idiot and I am not a child. Please treat me and others with the respect with which you would like to be treated yourselves. thewolfstar 01:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I closed all my browsers and rebooted my machine. I am still blocked. thewolfstar 02:41, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your helpfulness and honesty.
thewolfstar
03:22, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I am stll blocked.
Merecat are you around? thewolfstar 03:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
You were caught in an autoblock:
10:21, 27 April 2006, Drini (Talk) blocked #150207 (expires 10:21, 28 April 2006) (Unblock) (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Thewolfstar".
I have unblocked that autoblock as well. If you are still blocked, post here and I will look further. KillerChihuahua ?!? 03:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank the many people who went out of their way to get me unblocked. This was a kind act and I appreciate it.
Just as I only know any of you by the brief encounters so far which have been for the most part unpleasant, but at times like this, actually quite the opposite, so do any of you know me.
A suggestion that Merecat has been making all along to many editors, is to take a different approach to a newcomer on Wiki. If I may be so bold, this may not be a bad idea.
Being polite is okay in itself, but it doesn't constitute being friendly or helpful. A friendlier more helpful approach may prove to be a better way to talking to newcomers. Especially your first comments to them.
I read your comments about me on killerchihuahua's page. They were hilarious, I can assure you.
If you have a question about me just ask. If you don't believe Earthhope is my site send an email to contact@earthhopenetwork.net or maggie@earthhopenetwork.net and I'll email you back. Please don't delete the email address out of here. I don't care if anyone has it, and I can figure these things out for myself.
Anyway thanks for helping me get unblocked. And thanks, Bishonen for what you said at the bottom of killer's page.
peace Maggie
thewolfstar
04:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict with the previous two comments)
My comment was intended for you of course. This place can be very difficult for certain types of personalities. It can also be very addictive, and this is a big problem for people who find that it makes them unhappy, because they want to leave but find they cannot.
To be happy hear you need to be calm. Calm when people disagree with you, calm when people do not appreaciate you, calm even when people are rude.
You also need to be able to look at things from other people's point of view. This is an essential skill for reaching consensus and writing neutrally, but is also needed to prevent arguments from decending into slanging matches.
Not everyone can fit into the rough and tumble that Wikipedia can sometimes be. The is no shame is saying "This is not for me".
On the other hand, if you do decide to stay then you are most welcome.You do need to make sure that you behave in a way that doesn't lead to more blocks. Look at you edits just before your last block. Learn from them (Doing this gets me blocked, I wont do it again.) Staying calm is they key here. If you find youself getting upset then walk away for a bit to cool off. Never edit when agitated. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 05:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Theresa Knott,
I appreciate your comments. But give me a break. The rough and tumble? Obviously I can't say this for sure, but I bet I have been through more the rough and tumble in my first few years of life than many here at Wiki have been through in their whole lives.
Also please don't condescend to me. I find this offensive as who wouldn't. Talk to me and treat me as if I were an adult, which I most certainly am.
Look at Merecats page. You'll see that I told him I'm about to commit Wikipedian suicide. Do you really propose that I am so imbecilec that I didn't know that I was going to get blocked?
You said, "You also need to be able to look at things from other people's point of view. This is an essential skill for reaching consensus and writing neutrally."
I disagree because that simply doesn't make sense. It's not about my or anyone else's point of view. Neutrality and fact are pointedly not anyone's point of view. I'll buy the part about staying calm, though.
Most of the time I have been calm. Only I know whether I am calm or not. There was a time I did get upset at Merecat, but oh well, I got over it.
Oh well, thanks for spending time writing to me. Just please don't assume I'm an idiot because I'm new.
peace, Maggie thewolfstar 05:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Since you aim to save Wikipedia, you should check out m:Talk:Spam Blacklist, where a number of sites have been added to the spam blacklist in order to censor out Criticism of Wikipedia. This is a big problem with Wikipedia, as it gets rid of the fundamental need for transparency in the project. Wikipedia's rogue admins are a major problem, and they have now got together and formed Wikitruth as a way of destroying Wikipedia once and for all. And unless Jimbo, and those people who love this project fight to sue Wikitruth and get rid of it, then Wikipedia will be destroyed. Sadly, however, List of banned users includes a lot of people who were here to help Wikipedia, and Jimbo has spurned them, leading to this problem. There are so many people sitting on the side lines, who want so much to save this project, who get called "critics" and are then censored out of Wikipedia, because they wanted to help, and actually went out of their way to help the project.
If you want to do something, there are places where your voice will be heard. I am sure that you can follow the links and find such a place. Sadly, on Wikipedia, that voice cannot be heard. See what links have been brushed off as spam and you will see where it is that you can talk freely. Come and you will be welcome. 203.122.231.195 09:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Sam is at times, more adversarial than he needs to be with people, but I have posted a defense on his behalf. Thanks for the heads up. Merecat 15:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)