I saw that you had weighted in on the deletion decision for list of finance related topics and I am looking for a more experienced wikipedian than my self for guidance about a finance related issue.
I also agree the list should stay, but finance on wikipedia is in a terrible state, very un organized and haphazard. I am trying to fix this and have struggling for days to come up with a way to do this. This is what I have come up with:
Rework all finance related templates, and split them into two groups: Top layer topics, which will be templates on the right hand side (like Template:Finance sidebar), and Sub layer topics which would be listed on the bottom of the screen type templates ( Template:Financial markets). The over arcing structure is taken partially from the list of financial topics but re-worked so that it makes more sense. The following would be the upper layor break down: user:drewwiki/sandbox1 Then each of the second row topics would have a template that goes one level futher, see user:drewwiki/sandbox2, user:drewwiki/sandbox3, user:drewwiki/sandbox3, user:drewwiki/sandbox4, user:drewwiki/sandbox7, user:drewwiki/sandbox6
After this, for the topics that have even more levels and sublevels, the system would switch to the bottom type template. Ie Template:Financial derivatives The Financial deriviates page would have the financial deriviatives subpages on the bottom and the Financial markets template on the right. This way a user could move within finance on the right and within financial derivitives on the bottom.
If I implement this, there would be lots of editing, lots of template creating and lots of time and energy, I want to make sure that this system makes sense. I would appreciate any advice or comments you would have. I tried to create a wiki project finance so I could ask them this type of question ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Finance but there it was unable to really get going.
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DrewWiki
14:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Go to user:drewwiki/finance: This is the top level page on Finance, on the right you see the Finance sub topics. Imagine you clicked on Financial markets (from the template), it would look like this user:drewwiki/finance1 Notice that the template on the right is one level lower. Now image, from there you click on The Derivatives Market (in the template on the right) you would see User:Drewwiki/finance2 Notice on this page the template on the right leading you to the sections on the Financial market, and the fiance world in general, but at the bottom, you see the entire Derivatives world. Any page within the derivatives world would have BOTH of these templates thoughts?-- DrewWiki 18:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I made a large edit to Wikipedia:WikiProject Finance There you will see the template I think have been created and which need to be created. Do you agree? -- DrewWiki 15:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Keep in mind for future reference, that once you have completed a draft in your userspace, you should rename (that is, move) the draft to its final name, rather than cut and paste. That keeps the edit history intact. In cases where the destination page already exists, cutting and pasting is fine. Don't worry about it. Just remember for next time. The Transhumanist 15:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've looked everything over, including WikiProject Finance, and I'm impressed. You've given finance a facelift. I look forward to seeing the rest. The Transhumanist 15:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Since you're kind of a specialist in User's pages, you might want to participate in a discussion which I've become involved in at Wikipedia talk:User page#let's make a guideline on categories. -- JAXHERE | Talk 17:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Good evening ( GMT time); is the VC still running? Anthonycfc [ T • C 19:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey again; just to let you know that I've got an RfA. Please do not vote on it on the spurring of this message - I am not campaigning for votes here. This message has simply been posted because you are my Admin Coach, and for obvious reasons (Request for Adminship :) you should probably be aware in order to justify my absense over the next ... 6 days 23 hours :P Regards, Anthonycfc [ T • C 00:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Let's not jump the gun yet...I may be with you for a few months yet. Sorry I can't thank you for your support vote - I want to remain neutral right up until the point a Bureaucrat either closes the nomination as unsuccessful, or hits that button on Special:Makesysop :) just to confirm, the support vote wasn't because I attracted your attention to my RfA, was it? Anthonycfc [ T • C 00:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow! I don't think I've ever been flattered more on WP than this :)
thanks a lot! I do think that help pages - aka WelCom - need to compromise on the "article-format" page a bit: we can't really expect new Wikipedians to go to a help page that is as confusing as an article and expect them to find what they needed. As for my User Page? I developed it at Simple.Wikipedia, and it was simply a case of copying over. I think it's the first userpage I've done that's pretty much entirely my own :) I really went in for the RfA for the feedback; I also think I may have closed it prematurely - I have a feeling I should have let it run until it really crashed and burned, rather than a little stalling. Anyway, I'll be paying more attention to the VC than ever before; finally, please don't even think about blaming yourself :) the feedback showed me what is needed for me to improve. I await the Classroom more than ever now! Regards,
Anthonycfc [
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Anthony,
Well, your RfA was as much a learning experience for me as it was for you, trust me. It shows me I need to examine my students' contributions much more closely so that I can provide better advice. My coaching was far too cursory in this case, and my feedback was lacking in several ways. I apologize for that. But don't take the RfA personally. Instead, take it to heart. Deal with the concerns brought forth in an honest and responsible manner, and chalk up the RfA as a growing experience. Lets lick our wounds and move on...
I don't think you are obsessed with power as some of the feedback concluded. I do think you may be dealing with acceptance issues. And the occasional mood swing. Arjun stated that you should keep your RL (real life) feelings to yourself. I don't agree. Such mentions about yourself that you post in userspace or on talk pages help the community to understand you better, and that's a good thing. They enable us to help you help Wikipedia, and to provide better advice, such as when it may be appropriate to take a wikibreak, or to visit your doctor. Your posts also help us provide better moral support. Emotions which would be cause for concern shouldn't be hidden. Your reaching out allows others to reach out to you in a human way. Sometimes Wikipedia (or Wikipedians) can be too impersonal. How can we care for each other if we don't even know what's going on?
Concerning acceptance, especially now after being examined under a microscope (RfA's can sure feel like that, anyways), it is easy to conclude that you aren't appreciated. The need to feel accepted, perhaps combined with a sheer facination with Wikipedia and its every aspect, can drive us to want to learn everything possible about Wikipedia (the community) and participate in every way we can. But such overexuberance can make others nervous...
What's the solution? Accept the concern that others have expressed. Realize that you may have held some unrealistic expectations. Relax. Slow down. Take a look around. Notice that you are accepted. Many acknowledge you as a very talented editor and thoughtful Wikipedian. That's very cool. And it is an excellent starting point for future growth. The community has given you a message that you have reached beyond the basics too quickly. So all you need to do is get back to basics. On Wikipedia, that means write and edit articles, and contribute to consensus building discussions. Build on your current strengths. Add to your skill base a little at a time. Take on new responsibilities one at a time, giving each the benefit of your time and focus, to master it, before seeking another. And above all, remember why you are here...
...to help communicate the knowledge of the world to the people of the world. That is, to provide and improve Wikipedia's articles, directly or indirectly. I think it would be a good idea to focus on articles more directly for awhile.
Keep in mind that like each of us, Wikipedia is maturing too. Wikipedia, as an organization or institution, is growing in experience. This includes an increased focus on the qualifications required for key positions throughout the organization. Wikipedia is always pushing itself to higher standards. One result of this is that the experience desired of applicants for its management positions (ArbCom, etc.) is measured in years. So don't worry about those. Who knows, in a few years, someone may nominate you for such a position.
In the meantime, lets have some fun. Would you like to collaborate with me on some articles? I would really enjoy that. I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 13:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if you're still looking for a new project, but the Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/ Wikipedia:Welcoming Committee seems to be in need of direction and cleanup. There is a large handful of unclear/redundant/dated pages. Could possibly benefit from your touch. The whole thing horrifies me as much as Wikipedia:Starter toolset! -- Quiddity 20:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Quiddity, okay, you win... The two nearly identical and confusing page names above piqued my curiosity, so I went to take a look. It turns out there was a dispute over one of the pages ( WP:WC), so I jumped right in and tried to fix the page to create a version everyone would be happy with. I also changed the name, cuz it was driving me nutz. It's not perfect, but I tried to capture the essense of both competing versions, while keeping it upbeat and cheerful. You're a pretty good judge of page layout and instructional prose. I'd appreciate it if you'd go apply your magical touch to the page. The Transhumanist 17:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
If that project is dead, what do you think about the prospect of replacing "Featured content" with "Wikipedia's Contents" in the navigation menu on the sidebar? Wikipedia:Contents has the featured contents links prominently displayed near the top, so the lost link wouldn't be going far.
And please update me on the status of the sidebar project. The Transhumanist 21:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Lupins popups? They are pretty neat. Cut the time you use in searching in half or more. Plus all sorts of nifty things. Also I like your userspace design. Talk to u later, -- Darkest Hour • © 19:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
re: I thought Andrew's facelift to WP:WC was a very good rethink of the page, and to help smooth out any wrinkles, I've done my best to integrate important points overlooked from the original unformatted version. I've revamped his revamp, have streamlined the page to some degree (removed some boxes), and have tried to include the points of utmost importance in the intro at the top of the page. A more complete explanation of what I've done and why is on the talk page. I look forward to working with you and Anthony on this page further. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 16:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Fancy that--I was posting kudos to you two on the WP:WC, and browsed to tomarrows tip of the day. You need to check the size limits, as my cautionary add may need trimmed. That was a little too Bold the way it was written, and may account for much of the backlog on CFD! So fix it up, if you need to. // Fra nkB 20:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I'd love to write the next assignment on linkspam. I'm about of the way through it already, but I was wondering, what time do you want it submitted by? Cheers! Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 21:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Good evening ( GMT time); just to let you know, I'll be with you for a while yet: I've pulled out of my RfA after the support votes were equal to non-support, and when the supporters outnumbered oposers only by one. I now eagerly anticipate the next VC lesson!
On the subject of my Userpage, I'm glad you like it so much that it's in the hall of fame! Any particular reason why you like it?
See you around! Regards,
Anthonycfc [
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17:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Word of thanks for The Transhumanist
Good morning ( GMT time); I'd like to thank you for supporting, opposing, taking a neutral stance to, closing, suggesting I close or otherwise contributing to my recent RfA; unfortunately, I felt that although there were more support than oppose votes, the weight of the latter was too great for me to accept the promotion with so many not trusting me with the janitor's trolley - ![]() ![]() If you have any further advice or comments for me, don't hesitate to
post me a message at my
talk page where it will be graciously and humbly accepted. Once again, thank you and I do hope to bump into you around the encyclopedia!
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I don't know if it is of any interest to you, but Aubrey de Grey has been the subject of some persistent harassment by IP 130.63.242.219. Would you suggest a block? I don't know much about the rules for doing this or whether it is appropriate for this situation. -- Ben Best 07:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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For your revamp of The Welcoming Committee, and of the Welcome Page, I award you the original barnstar. Well done! Anthonycfc [ T • C 18:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC) |
I'm not really sure why you moved the hi and go template then changed the style - why move something if your going to make it completely diff (it appears that you were upset that you got overruled on the thousands of edits thing, because after that you went on a tirade of sorts). I personally prefer the old form thus I've remade it - but don't worry, the newer form is still there under the name you pickedDaniel()Folsom T| C| U 00:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Good evening ( GMT time); I've replied to your post (link above left) on my talk page (link above right) regarding the WP:WC page.
Kind regards,
Anthonycfc [
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20:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Done. Regards, Grandmaster 06:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Was there concensus to change and consolidate the template? I don't like it... it sounds like a preemptive scolding, in violation of WP:BITE. I am embarassed to have left it on a users page just now.... I mean "before you get started, there are a few things I must ask"... it really sounds like I have a high opinion of myself and a low opinion of them. Can we change it back, please? Jerry lavoie 02:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
This comment is just in the interest of streamlining. 'finally' as the second part of only two items is a bit awkward, and it makes it look like it has been edited down from a bigger message, consider replacing this with just "also". Jerry lavoie 03:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
TT, it seems like you and I are working at cross purposes. I keep finding myself reverting your edits, which seems like a waste of time for both of us. Can I suggest that, instead of changing the templates that are already out there, you make new ones as you did with {{ Welcome Cookie}}? I think this would solve many of the concerns I have with your changes. Thanks, - Audacity 19:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I understand your concerns; however, I think your approach may be unnecessarily hasty. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the recent overhaul of warning templates done by Wikipedia:WikiProject user warnings. They faced a similar problem, with a clutter of templates, some of which were protected. Their approach was to create a new system, work out the glitches, and begin encouraging people to move over.
Perhaps we could start a similar effort. The warnings project set their templates off by starting each with "uw". Maybe we could start each with "w" - e.g, Template:W, Template:W-shout, Template:W-graphical. - Audacity 00:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Before we begin the conversion, let's make all the templates in the WC subspace. That way we can edit them without worrying about real-time effects. Then we can move them to template space when we're done. I just moved {{ welc-Icon}} to Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates/Basic.
I hadn't really thought about which ones I'd like to keep. Maybe we should try making just a few templates with various options. For example, Template:w-graphical would have a color option, so you could choose between {{w-graphical|Wikipedia|color=blue}} and {{w-graphical|Wikipedia|color=green}}. The basic one could have a div option (div=true or div=false), an icon option, and a header option.
In terms of the naming, maybe we could just do variants of w without using w itself. The basic one would be Template:w-simple or Template:w-basic. Also, I think we should use lowercase, which is easier to type. - Audacity 02:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I suppose we could, but as I anticipating doing some page moves, I'd rather keep the template space free of clutter while we work on them. But if you want to make them in template space, that's fine — just don't link to them yet. - Audacity 02:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
There's a sig trick that works with substitution, so we won't need to use a parameter for the sig. I don't think it works with transclusion, so we'll have to emphasize substitution. The Transhumanist 03:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, we'll do them in template space. Can we use w as a prefix?
Yes, let's make substitution mandatory. That way the PAGENAME won't come out, and we can do auto-sig. - Audacity 03:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Whatever code you used for welc-icon is causing transclusion problems (such as when displayed on Welcome templates table). The Transhumanist 03:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
It makes the div optional. Try {{subst:w-icon|div=true}}. - Audacity 04:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I rather liked the Welcome123 template, it was very informative. Why was this changed? Lrrr IV 04:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
TT, please wait for the templates to be both finished and approved by the larger community before linking to them. While the templates table is in WC space, it is redirected from Wikipedia:Welcome templates, and so is widely accessible. So I want to get everyone's approval and comments, as well as add any additional features, before bringing the templates live. Thanks. - Audacity 02:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I have exchanged a block of 24 hours for personal attacks against not getting involved in disputes for 72 hours. Fad (ix) 18:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not agree with 1a), it is POV, presented as absolute truth. Kasp, Caspiane was once to the Medes, that Caspiane was Paytakaran is not certitude, check Tigran evidence page. The same goes with “Caucasian Albania.” Kasp or Caspiane should have its own article, much like Constantinople and Istanbul have their own article. That sentence would be fine for Caspiane, but not Paytakaran, which was more modern. Even Armenians had two different terms for the two entities, one was the Kasp, the other was Paytakaran.
1b), I disagree with, there are conflicting evidences there, more so when Paytakaran being an Armenian word, has never been used to name that town in the Armenian literature.
1c) is fine but too strong.
1d) is fine.
1e) is fine, but Grandmaster selectively quote Strabo, this wasn’t all he had said.
1f) is more about Caspiane, Paytakaran is a more modern entity.
1g) this is conflicting, and selectiveness, even Goldberg, who is very pro Azeri, write in her work, includes the Armenians being a significant portion of the population. Strabo, in the same section where he says being Armenian, say they all spoke the same language.
2a) is simply too bogus, for me to even comment on.
2b)We don’t know who the parcies are.
2c) Grandmaster is implying, most revolutions have been done by revolutionaries of the same nation the government represent. This doesn’t mean they were not Armenian. Also, Grandmaster has dumped much stuff with different periods. Again, I stress that Caspiane and Paytakaran are two different entities of different periods.
2d) Grandmaster is interpreting Hewsen, beside even Goldberg disagree.
3a) Again, Grandmaster is transformating the article, by reinterpreting what was Paytakaran. Being the province, every other thing that could be implied goes in a disambiguation page.
3b) Grandmaster is connecting Paytakaran with a Turkic tribe, a millennium after, what became of a Muslim town, has no relevancy with the province of Paytakaran. Fad (ix) 17:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Neither Beylaqan (town) nor Beylagan (town) (see Beylagan) have their own article. Perhaps such articles could help in relation to the Paytakaran dispute. Then links could be provided to them in context within your draft. If you create these, please be careful how you apply synonyms to the places - it may be best to provide any alternate names in the body of the article and not as parenthetical annotations following the lead word, as they might be presented out of context when provided as direct synonyms). The Transhumanist 13:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. Is there any progress with our mediation? Thanks. Grandmaster 08:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Good afternoon ( GMT time); regarding the above post, everything's fine! Sorry about my recent inactivity - you might have noticed the notice at my talk page, but here goes: basically, I'm a bit out of the editing mood right now, and I've ran out of energy, so I've taken a short break for 1-2 days to try to revive myself. I love Wikipedia with a passion, but it does sap my energy at times.
When I return, I hope to work on the WC pages, including that Welcome Message adapted for vandals; until then, see you soon!
Kind regards,
Anthonycfc [
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18:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi again! Can you see this, and the edit he made. T'would be nice to have a welcome template reflecting my comments to him/her about such security concerns. There is no reason for an sister editor to not have an account here and provide a soft-redirect to their home wiki,and clearly whomever made that edit new more about the math blocks than I-- I'd asked CBD to see if there was a fix on that just last night. I've got an account like that on all sister's for WP:TSP work, and a welcome with some resource lists like your current page top (Impressed again!) is I think a good idea for such occasional contributors. IP edits worry people, is the sub-theme, as they do.
Have a need to have a number of different pairs of two templates to co-operate at page top top, (e.g. List templates) where ideally, the fixed width interwikicat-grp has a little background showing beside it in the upper right corner, and that other template (there are others) scrunches over and 'talls' up a little so the two make a pair of rectangles in the corner. I can fiddle with the wide template and restate the rectangular params and margins in pixels so it takes a param (move=) and get it to behave with parserfunctions, but don't know how to make it auto-size (since can't predict what Zoom setting a user may be using, nor their default fonts, etc.) and still compensate for the 250px width of interwikicat-grp. Hence, I figure you may know.
At the least, would think need an equation to scale whatever em's are to pixels and subtract out the diff to establish a scaled right margin, when the related #if: logic zeroizes the left margin, etc. Can you do this with that wide template, and when it works, drop me a note, or better yet an email so I can copy the technique for the others. I really need such on most other sisters, so will be a big help! I'm going to be busy with real life most of the day, and much of my wiki-time is currently focused in Meta or the Commons, so the email is probably surest fast way for me to get a timely response--including find someone else! <g> Have a great day. // Fra nkB 16:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't mean to nag, but since you were growsing at Audacity... I need to at least know whether I should ask someone else on the above, if you're not willing or able to figure out a method. Let me know one way or the other, I need a solution. Thanks // Fra nkB 06:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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can then be subtracted from the operative upper limit. Our pages reserve some width for the search bar, interwiki's, et. al. (depending on skin too, but that also appears to be circa 250-280 pixels as I see in on my computers), but there must be a defined page set-up for user selected Zoom == OFF. Knowing that, one can scale to pixels, and do the math I need, as I can brute force the effect I want on a particular zoom setting. I'm disinclined to fix font size in any absolute way... that stops the vision impaired from seeing larger at need, so I'd hope for a zoomable solution. (BTW-- if you answered by email, my desktop has 'issues' at the moment, so I didn't see it! Sorry 'bout that--you have no idea how much! <BSEG> [but seriously too!]) // Frank
I'm back. One example of a change I'm testing is the new Template:W-graphical, which features options for various colors. If you'd like, try out some new color schemes for it. - Audacity 05:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you pulled my addition to your notice on the Wikipedia:Community Portal. Perhaps it's not good to have public debates on these types of things. I continue to feel that this sort of approach is against the principles of Wikipedia and thus should not be pursued. I invite you to remove your notice and continue the discussion on the Talk Page. -- Richard 16:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. If it's okay, I'd like to nominate myself for your user page design "hall of fame." If you want to, check out my user page (don't forget to look at the subpages). Also, may I have your signature, PLEASE??? Thanks for your time! -- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 20:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 21:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to respond! I didn't realize that you would answer in your talk page!
This is my exact signature as shown in my preferences:
<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 12pt">--[[User:Cremepuff222|<span style="color:#008000;">Cremepuff222</span>]] ([[User talk:Cremepuff222|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">talk</span>]], [[User:Cremepuff222/Autograph Book|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">sign book</span>]]) </span>
I don't see anything wrong, and my signature doesn't mess up anyone else's pages. (Can you please respond on my talk page?) -- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 00:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
{{User:Cremepuff222/Signature Header}}
The project I'm hoping you'll take a look is Welcoming committee, its subpages, and welcome page templates (especially those). Anythony cfc, Audacity, and I have been revamping the project. Audacity and I are currently working on improving the set of welcome messages which the Welcoming committee uses to greet new users. (See Audacity's message to me above). I look forward to seeing your creative input on the project. The Transhumanist 18:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The Transhumanist,
I would like to thank you for your thorough and complete response to my question, it is greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
DTGardner
01:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Good evening ( GMT time); I've updated the WP:WELCOME page with a policies and guidelines section (on the right) after suggestions at the WP:WELCOME talk or WP:WC talk (not sure which) page. Hopefully you find it satisfactory - if not, please improve it!
How are things? Any news on the next VC Lesson? Regarding WP:WC, that border looks familiar :) shall we convert the WP:WELCOME page to gold to maintain consistency? I'm rather tired of the blue.
Kind regards,
Anthonycfc [
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19:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Post script: sorry if there are any typos - I'm using IE...to my disgust :P hopefully FF will be up and running soon.
:)
give me a shout if you need help!Hello! I created a new template similar to my user page to welcome new users. I also added a message to the talk page for the welcoming templates asking if it was okay. COuld you look at it for me, just to be sure that I included all of the neccessary points? It's located at User:Cremepuff222/Greeting. Thanks! -- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 19:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
I saw that you had weighted in on the deletion decision for list of finance related topics and I am looking for a more experienced wikipedian than my self for guidance about a finance related issue.
I also agree the list should stay, but finance on wikipedia is in a terrible state, very un organized and haphazard. I am trying to fix this and have struggling for days to come up with a way to do this. This is what I have come up with:
Rework all finance related templates, and split them into two groups: Top layer topics, which will be templates on the right hand side (like Template:Finance sidebar), and Sub layer topics which would be listed on the bottom of the screen type templates ( Template:Financial markets). The over arcing structure is taken partially from the list of financial topics but re-worked so that it makes more sense. The following would be the upper layor break down: user:drewwiki/sandbox1 Then each of the second row topics would have a template that goes one level futher, see user:drewwiki/sandbox2, user:drewwiki/sandbox3, user:drewwiki/sandbox3, user:drewwiki/sandbox4, user:drewwiki/sandbox7, user:drewwiki/sandbox6
After this, for the topics that have even more levels and sublevels, the system would switch to the bottom type template. Ie Template:Financial derivatives The Financial deriviates page would have the financial deriviatives subpages on the bottom and the Financial markets template on the right. This way a user could move within finance on the right and within financial derivitives on the bottom.
If I implement this, there would be lots of editing, lots of template creating and lots of time and energy, I want to make sure that this system makes sense. I would appreciate any advice or comments you would have. I tried to create a wiki project finance so I could ask them this type of question ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Finance but there it was unable to really get going.
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DrewWiki
14:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Go to user:drewwiki/finance: This is the top level page on Finance, on the right you see the Finance sub topics. Imagine you clicked on Financial markets (from the template), it would look like this user:drewwiki/finance1 Notice that the template on the right is one level lower. Now image, from there you click on The Derivatives Market (in the template on the right) you would see User:Drewwiki/finance2 Notice on this page the template on the right leading you to the sections on the Financial market, and the fiance world in general, but at the bottom, you see the entire Derivatives world. Any page within the derivatives world would have BOTH of these templates thoughts?-- DrewWiki 18:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I made a large edit to Wikipedia:WikiProject Finance There you will see the template I think have been created and which need to be created. Do you agree? -- DrewWiki 15:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Keep in mind for future reference, that once you have completed a draft in your userspace, you should rename (that is, move) the draft to its final name, rather than cut and paste. That keeps the edit history intact. In cases where the destination page already exists, cutting and pasting is fine. Don't worry about it. Just remember for next time. The Transhumanist 15:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I've looked everything over, including WikiProject Finance, and I'm impressed. You've given finance a facelift. I look forward to seeing the rest. The Transhumanist 15:29, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Since you're kind of a specialist in User's pages, you might want to participate in a discussion which I've become involved in at Wikipedia talk:User page#let's make a guideline on categories. -- JAXHERE | Talk 17:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Good evening ( GMT time); is the VC still running? Anthonycfc [ T • C 19:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey again; just to let you know that I've got an RfA. Please do not vote on it on the spurring of this message - I am not campaigning for votes here. This message has simply been posted because you are my Admin Coach, and for obvious reasons (Request for Adminship :) you should probably be aware in order to justify my absense over the next ... 6 days 23 hours :P Regards, Anthonycfc [ T • C 00:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Let's not jump the gun yet...I may be with you for a few months yet. Sorry I can't thank you for your support vote - I want to remain neutral right up until the point a Bureaucrat either closes the nomination as unsuccessful, or hits that button on Special:Makesysop :) just to confirm, the support vote wasn't because I attracted your attention to my RfA, was it? Anthonycfc [ T • C 00:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow! I don't think I've ever been flattered more on WP than this :)
thanks a lot! I do think that help pages - aka WelCom - need to compromise on the "article-format" page a bit: we can't really expect new Wikipedians to go to a help page that is as confusing as an article and expect them to find what they needed. As for my User Page? I developed it at Simple.Wikipedia, and it was simply a case of copying over. I think it's the first userpage I've done that's pretty much entirely my own :) I really went in for the RfA for the feedback; I also think I may have closed it prematurely - I have a feeling I should have let it run until it really crashed and burned, rather than a little stalling. Anyway, I'll be paying more attention to the VC than ever before; finally, please don't even think about blaming yourself :) the feedback showed me what is needed for me to improve. I await the Classroom more than ever now! Regards,
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Anthony,
Well, your RfA was as much a learning experience for me as it was for you, trust me. It shows me I need to examine my students' contributions much more closely so that I can provide better advice. My coaching was far too cursory in this case, and my feedback was lacking in several ways. I apologize for that. But don't take the RfA personally. Instead, take it to heart. Deal with the concerns brought forth in an honest and responsible manner, and chalk up the RfA as a growing experience. Lets lick our wounds and move on...
I don't think you are obsessed with power as some of the feedback concluded. I do think you may be dealing with acceptance issues. And the occasional mood swing. Arjun stated that you should keep your RL (real life) feelings to yourself. I don't agree. Such mentions about yourself that you post in userspace or on talk pages help the community to understand you better, and that's a good thing. They enable us to help you help Wikipedia, and to provide better advice, such as when it may be appropriate to take a wikibreak, or to visit your doctor. Your posts also help us provide better moral support. Emotions which would be cause for concern shouldn't be hidden. Your reaching out allows others to reach out to you in a human way. Sometimes Wikipedia (or Wikipedians) can be too impersonal. How can we care for each other if we don't even know what's going on?
Concerning acceptance, especially now after being examined under a microscope (RfA's can sure feel like that, anyways), it is easy to conclude that you aren't appreciated. The need to feel accepted, perhaps combined with a sheer facination with Wikipedia and its every aspect, can drive us to want to learn everything possible about Wikipedia (the community) and participate in every way we can. But such overexuberance can make others nervous...
What's the solution? Accept the concern that others have expressed. Realize that you may have held some unrealistic expectations. Relax. Slow down. Take a look around. Notice that you are accepted. Many acknowledge you as a very talented editor and thoughtful Wikipedian. That's very cool. And it is an excellent starting point for future growth. The community has given you a message that you have reached beyond the basics too quickly. So all you need to do is get back to basics. On Wikipedia, that means write and edit articles, and contribute to consensus building discussions. Build on your current strengths. Add to your skill base a little at a time. Take on new responsibilities one at a time, giving each the benefit of your time and focus, to master it, before seeking another. And above all, remember why you are here...
...to help communicate the knowledge of the world to the people of the world. That is, to provide and improve Wikipedia's articles, directly or indirectly. I think it would be a good idea to focus on articles more directly for awhile.
Keep in mind that like each of us, Wikipedia is maturing too. Wikipedia, as an organization or institution, is growing in experience. This includes an increased focus on the qualifications required for key positions throughout the organization. Wikipedia is always pushing itself to higher standards. One result of this is that the experience desired of applicants for its management positions (ArbCom, etc.) is measured in years. So don't worry about those. Who knows, in a few years, someone may nominate you for such a position.
In the meantime, lets have some fun. Would you like to collaborate with me on some articles? I would really enjoy that. I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 13:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if you're still looking for a new project, but the Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/ Wikipedia:Welcoming Committee seems to be in need of direction and cleanup. There is a large handful of unclear/redundant/dated pages. Could possibly benefit from your touch. The whole thing horrifies me as much as Wikipedia:Starter toolset! -- Quiddity 20:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Quiddity, okay, you win... The two nearly identical and confusing page names above piqued my curiosity, so I went to take a look. It turns out there was a dispute over one of the pages ( WP:WC), so I jumped right in and tried to fix the page to create a version everyone would be happy with. I also changed the name, cuz it was driving me nutz. It's not perfect, but I tried to capture the essense of both competing versions, while keeping it upbeat and cheerful. You're a pretty good judge of page layout and instructional prose. I'd appreciate it if you'd go apply your magical touch to the page. The Transhumanist 17:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
If that project is dead, what do you think about the prospect of replacing "Featured content" with "Wikipedia's Contents" in the navigation menu on the sidebar? Wikipedia:Contents has the featured contents links prominently displayed near the top, so the lost link wouldn't be going far.
And please update me on the status of the sidebar project. The Transhumanist 21:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Lupins popups? They are pretty neat. Cut the time you use in searching in half or more. Plus all sorts of nifty things. Also I like your userspace design. Talk to u later, -- Darkest Hour • © 19:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
re: I thought Andrew's facelift to WP:WC was a very good rethink of the page, and to help smooth out any wrinkles, I've done my best to integrate important points overlooked from the original unformatted version. I've revamped his revamp, have streamlined the page to some degree (removed some boxes), and have tried to include the points of utmost importance in the intro at the top of the page. A more complete explanation of what I've done and why is on the talk page. I look forward to working with you and Anthony on this page further. Sincerely, The Transhumanist 16:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Fancy that--I was posting kudos to you two on the WP:WC, and browsed to tomarrows tip of the day. You need to check the size limits, as my cautionary add may need trimmed. That was a little too Bold the way it was written, and may account for much of the backlog on CFD! So fix it up, if you need to. // Fra nkB 20:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I'd love to write the next assignment on linkspam. I'm about of the way through it already, but I was wondering, what time do you want it submitted by? Cheers! Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 21:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Good evening ( GMT time); just to let you know, I'll be with you for a while yet: I've pulled out of my RfA after the support votes were equal to non-support, and when the supporters outnumbered oposers only by one. I now eagerly anticipate the next VC lesson!
On the subject of my Userpage, I'm glad you like it so much that it's in the hall of fame! Any particular reason why you like it?
See you around! Regards,
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Word of thanks for The Transhumanist
Good morning ( GMT time); I'd like to thank you for supporting, opposing, taking a neutral stance to, closing, suggesting I close or otherwise contributing to my recent RfA; unfortunately, I felt that although there were more support than oppose votes, the weight of the latter was too great for me to accept the promotion with so many not trusting me with the janitor's trolley - ![]() ![]() If you have any further advice or comments for me, don't hesitate to
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talk page where it will be graciously and humbly accepted. Once again, thank you and I do hope to bump into you around the encyclopedia!
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I don't know if it is of any interest to you, but Aubrey de Grey has been the subject of some persistent harassment by IP 130.63.242.219. Would you suggest a block? I don't know much about the rules for doing this or whether it is appropriate for this situation. -- Ben Best 07:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
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For your revamp of The Welcoming Committee, and of the Welcome Page, I award you the original barnstar. Well done! Anthonycfc [ T • C 18:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC) |
I'm not really sure why you moved the hi and go template then changed the style - why move something if your going to make it completely diff (it appears that you were upset that you got overruled on the thousands of edits thing, because after that you went on a tirade of sorts). I personally prefer the old form thus I've remade it - but don't worry, the newer form is still there under the name you pickedDaniel()Folsom T| C| U 00:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Good evening ( GMT time); I've replied to your post (link above left) on my talk page (link above right) regarding the WP:WC page.
Kind regards,
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Done. Regards, Grandmaster 06:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Was there concensus to change and consolidate the template? I don't like it... it sounds like a preemptive scolding, in violation of WP:BITE. I am embarassed to have left it on a users page just now.... I mean "before you get started, there are a few things I must ask"... it really sounds like I have a high opinion of myself and a low opinion of them. Can we change it back, please? Jerry lavoie 02:55, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
This comment is just in the interest of streamlining. 'finally' as the second part of only two items is a bit awkward, and it makes it look like it has been edited down from a bigger message, consider replacing this with just "also". Jerry lavoie 03:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
TT, it seems like you and I are working at cross purposes. I keep finding myself reverting your edits, which seems like a waste of time for both of us. Can I suggest that, instead of changing the templates that are already out there, you make new ones as you did with {{ Welcome Cookie}}? I think this would solve many of the concerns I have with your changes. Thanks, - Audacity 19:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I understand your concerns; however, I think your approach may be unnecessarily hasty. I'm not sure if you're familiar with the recent overhaul of warning templates done by Wikipedia:WikiProject user warnings. They faced a similar problem, with a clutter of templates, some of which were protected. Their approach was to create a new system, work out the glitches, and begin encouraging people to move over.
Perhaps we could start a similar effort. The warnings project set their templates off by starting each with "uw". Maybe we could start each with "w" - e.g, Template:W, Template:W-shout, Template:W-graphical. - Audacity 00:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Before we begin the conversion, let's make all the templates in the WC subspace. That way we can edit them without worrying about real-time effects. Then we can move them to template space when we're done. I just moved {{ welc-Icon}} to Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates/Basic.
I hadn't really thought about which ones I'd like to keep. Maybe we should try making just a few templates with various options. For example, Template:w-graphical would have a color option, so you could choose between {{w-graphical|Wikipedia|color=blue}} and {{w-graphical|Wikipedia|color=green}}. The basic one could have a div option (div=true or div=false), an icon option, and a header option.
In terms of the naming, maybe we could just do variants of w without using w itself. The basic one would be Template:w-simple or Template:w-basic. Also, I think we should use lowercase, which is easier to type. - Audacity 02:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I suppose we could, but as I anticipating doing some page moves, I'd rather keep the template space free of clutter while we work on them. But if you want to make them in template space, that's fine — just don't link to them yet. - Audacity 02:59, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
There's a sig trick that works with substitution, so we won't need to use a parameter for the sig. I don't think it works with transclusion, so we'll have to emphasize substitution. The Transhumanist 03:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, we'll do them in template space. Can we use w as a prefix?
Yes, let's make substitution mandatory. That way the PAGENAME won't come out, and we can do auto-sig. - Audacity 03:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Whatever code you used for welc-icon is causing transclusion problems (such as when displayed on Welcome templates table). The Transhumanist 03:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
It makes the div optional. Try {{subst:w-icon|div=true}}. - Audacity 04:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I rather liked the Welcome123 template, it was very informative. Why was this changed? Lrrr IV 04:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
TT, please wait for the templates to be both finished and approved by the larger community before linking to them. While the templates table is in WC space, it is redirected from Wikipedia:Welcome templates, and so is widely accessible. So I want to get everyone's approval and comments, as well as add any additional features, before bringing the templates live. Thanks. - Audacity 02:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I have exchanged a block of 24 hours for personal attacks against not getting involved in disputes for 72 hours. Fad (ix) 18:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I do not agree with 1a), it is POV, presented as absolute truth. Kasp, Caspiane was once to the Medes, that Caspiane was Paytakaran is not certitude, check Tigran evidence page. The same goes with “Caucasian Albania.” Kasp or Caspiane should have its own article, much like Constantinople and Istanbul have their own article. That sentence would be fine for Caspiane, but not Paytakaran, which was more modern. Even Armenians had two different terms for the two entities, one was the Kasp, the other was Paytakaran.
1b), I disagree with, there are conflicting evidences there, more so when Paytakaran being an Armenian word, has never been used to name that town in the Armenian literature.
1c) is fine but too strong.
1d) is fine.
1e) is fine, but Grandmaster selectively quote Strabo, this wasn’t all he had said.
1f) is more about Caspiane, Paytakaran is a more modern entity.
1g) this is conflicting, and selectiveness, even Goldberg, who is very pro Azeri, write in her work, includes the Armenians being a significant portion of the population. Strabo, in the same section where he says being Armenian, say they all spoke the same language.
2a) is simply too bogus, for me to even comment on.
2b)We don’t know who the parcies are.
2c) Grandmaster is implying, most revolutions have been done by revolutionaries of the same nation the government represent. This doesn’t mean they were not Armenian. Also, Grandmaster has dumped much stuff with different periods. Again, I stress that Caspiane and Paytakaran are two different entities of different periods.
2d) Grandmaster is interpreting Hewsen, beside even Goldberg disagree.
3a) Again, Grandmaster is transformating the article, by reinterpreting what was Paytakaran. Being the province, every other thing that could be implied goes in a disambiguation page.
3b) Grandmaster is connecting Paytakaran with a Turkic tribe, a millennium after, what became of a Muslim town, has no relevancy with the province of Paytakaran. Fad (ix) 17:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Neither Beylaqan (town) nor Beylagan (town) (see Beylagan) have their own article. Perhaps such articles could help in relation to the Paytakaran dispute. Then links could be provided to them in context within your draft. If you create these, please be careful how you apply synonyms to the places - it may be best to provide any alternate names in the body of the article and not as parenthetical annotations following the lead word, as they might be presented out of context when provided as direct synonyms). The Transhumanist 13:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi again. Is there any progress with our mediation? Thanks. Grandmaster 08:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Good afternoon ( GMT time); regarding the above post, everything's fine! Sorry about my recent inactivity - you might have noticed the notice at my talk page, but here goes: basically, I'm a bit out of the editing mood right now, and I've ran out of energy, so I've taken a short break for 1-2 days to try to revive myself. I love Wikipedia with a passion, but it does sap my energy at times.
When I return, I hope to work on the WC pages, including that Welcome Message adapted for vandals; until then, see you soon!
Kind regards,
Anthonycfc [
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Hi again! Can you see this, and the edit he made. T'would be nice to have a welcome template reflecting my comments to him/her about such security concerns. There is no reason for an sister editor to not have an account here and provide a soft-redirect to their home wiki,and clearly whomever made that edit new more about the math blocks than I-- I'd asked CBD to see if there was a fix on that just last night. I've got an account like that on all sister's for WP:TSP work, and a welcome with some resource lists like your current page top (Impressed again!) is I think a good idea for such occasional contributors. IP edits worry people, is the sub-theme, as they do.
Have a need to have a number of different pairs of two templates to co-operate at page top top, (e.g. List templates) where ideally, the fixed width interwikicat-grp has a little background showing beside it in the upper right corner, and that other template (there are others) scrunches over and 'talls' up a little so the two make a pair of rectangles in the corner. I can fiddle with the wide template and restate the rectangular params and margins in pixels so it takes a param (move=) and get it to behave with parserfunctions, but don't know how to make it auto-size (since can't predict what Zoom setting a user may be using, nor their default fonts, etc.) and still compensate for the 250px width of interwikicat-grp. Hence, I figure you may know.
At the least, would think need an equation to scale whatever em's are to pixels and subtract out the diff to establish a scaled right margin, when the related #if: logic zeroizes the left margin, etc. Can you do this with that wide template, and when it works, drop me a note, or better yet an email so I can copy the technique for the others. I really need such on most other sisters, so will be a big help! I'm going to be busy with real life most of the day, and much of my wiki-time is currently focused in Meta or the Commons, so the email is probably surest fast way for me to get a timely response--including find someone else! <g> Have a great day. // Fra nkB 16:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't mean to nag, but since you were growsing at Audacity... I need to at least know whether I should ask someone else on the above, if you're not willing or able to figure out a method. Let me know one way or the other, I need a solution. Thanks // Fra nkB 06:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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can then be subtracted from the operative upper limit. Our pages reserve some width for the search bar, interwiki's, et. al. (depending on skin too, but that also appears to be circa 250-280 pixels as I see in on my computers), but there must be a defined page set-up for user selected Zoom == OFF. Knowing that, one can scale to pixels, and do the math I need, as I can brute force the effect I want on a particular zoom setting. I'm disinclined to fix font size in any absolute way... that stops the vision impaired from seeing larger at need, so I'd hope for a zoomable solution. (BTW-- if you answered by email, my desktop has 'issues' at the moment, so I didn't see it! Sorry 'bout that--you have no idea how much! <BSEG> [but seriously too!]) // Frank
I'm back. One example of a change I'm testing is the new Template:W-graphical, which features options for various colors. If you'd like, try out some new color schemes for it. - Audacity 05:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that you pulled my addition to your notice on the Wikipedia:Community Portal. Perhaps it's not good to have public debates on these types of things. I continue to feel that this sort of approach is against the principles of Wikipedia and thus should not be pursued. I invite you to remove your notice and continue the discussion on the Talk Page. -- Richard 16:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello. If it's okay, I'd like to nominate myself for your user page design "hall of fame." If you want to, check out my user page (don't forget to look at the subpages). Also, may I have your signature, PLEASE??? Thanks for your time! -- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 20:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 21:30, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry it took me so long to respond! I didn't realize that you would answer in your talk page!
This is my exact signature as shown in my preferences:
<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 12pt">--[[User:Cremepuff222|<span style="color:#008000;">Cremepuff222</span>]] ([[User talk:Cremepuff222|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">talk</span>]], [[User:Cremepuff222/Autograph Book|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">sign book</span>]]) </span>
I don't see anything wrong, and my signature doesn't mess up anyone else's pages. (Can you please respond on my talk page?) -- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 00:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
{{User:Cremepuff222/Signature Header}}
The project I'm hoping you'll take a look is Welcoming committee, its subpages, and welcome page templates (especially those). Anythony cfc, Audacity, and I have been revamping the project. Audacity and I are currently working on improving the set of welcome messages which the Welcoming committee uses to greet new users. (See Audacity's message to me above). I look forward to seeing your creative input on the project. The Transhumanist 18:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The Transhumanist,
I would like to thank you for your thorough and complete response to my question, it is greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
DTGardner
01:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Good evening ( GMT time); I've updated the WP:WELCOME page with a policies and guidelines section (on the right) after suggestions at the WP:WELCOME talk or WP:WC talk (not sure which) page. Hopefully you find it satisfactory - if not, please improve it!
How are things? Any news on the next VC Lesson? Regarding WP:WC, that border looks familiar :) shall we convert the WP:WELCOME page to gold to maintain consistency? I'm rather tired of the blue.
Kind regards,
Anthonycfc [
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Post script: sorry if there are any typos - I'm using IE...to my disgust :P hopefully FF will be up and running soon.
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give me a shout if you need help!Hello! I created a new template similar to my user page to welcome new users. I also added a message to the talk page for the welcoming templates asking if it was okay. COuld you look at it for me, just to be sure that I included all of the neccessary points? It's located at User:Cremepuff222/Greeting. Thanks! -- Cremepuff222 ( talk, sign book) 19:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)