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I happened to read the little snippets of info about your interests, which made me think of the stubbish newcomer's manual… although probably you already know of it :^) benzband ( talk) 08:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Anyhoo, I just wrote up Reliable sources for the newcomer's manual. Pesky ( talk) 07:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Adding: here's a horsey one: When you're riding and training a horse, the engine, and the weight of the engine, is in the back end. The front end is there mostly for balance and steering, and should be really light. We influence the front end using subtlety, not force or strength. Expansion: imagine his back legs as thick as tree trunks, and his front legs as thin as bamboo poles. The front legs are there to stop his nose hitting the ground. Pesky ( talk) 04:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
oops, I forgot to sign, -Pen. that's better.
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Pesky ( talk) 07:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I am having an extremely frustrating time due to a number of things, you can probably see from my contribs (it was the only way I could work it out) that I'm falling to sleep erratically all over the place, (I try again tomorrow to see a doctor) I am having a very hard time however identifying who I am going to speak to as far as an SPI is concerned, it's the same case, and I still haven't worked out who the hell is supposed to be the person I speak with. The crap needs mopping up, it's all in my head, and I sure as hell can't write it all down because it is simply going to be tldr as always. Your friend doesn't help by being two faced either, one face on the SPI page, and one on the puppet talkpage. In order to compress everything down to readable twitter sized pieces I have to know which parts are required step by step. When I demonstrate that it is WP:HA and then someone falsely represents themselves to be ignorant of it on the spi page, then I cannot proceed to step two. Do you think it is appropriate that I should give more and more and more detail on the SPI page to someone who is being this two faced ? is that helpful ? is that the T word right there ? If you could assist me to find someone reasonable to work with that would be of great assistance to me. I did not wish to bother Dennis as he is already aware but appears to be heavily loaded with work to do already.
Also I've sent some emails but have had no response, which is confusing too. Penyulap ☏ 06:21, 26 Jul 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Sorry about the email thing; I've been both very tied-up with some deadline-driven stuff IRL, and I'm still trying to think how best to word a response. Pesky ( talk) 07:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
And persistent! You know I talked about how Bryn was trying to clean the litter tray earlier! And left the poop-scoop in the tray?
Well, this morning, he managed to get a poo-bag into the tray, and carefully (and very deftly) managed to sort out the poo and put it on top of the bag. Wow! I'm just waiting for the day when he gets the poo into the bag, ties up the bag, and trots off to the bin with it ... Pesky ( talk) 06:39, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Pen (and others), I apologise if I'm not giving the amount of input / response that you may deserve. Thing is, though, that I'm spending a lot of time with my son, doing some of the stuff that he needs to get done, and keeping an eye on him helping me do some of the stuff that I should be getting done, and in other circumstances might just have been able to delegate to him. This is the son with the PE. I'm basically on constant semi-alert mode, keeping an eye out for anything which could indicate a potentially-life-threatening second (or further) embolism, and (because he's on anticoagulants) also keeping an eye out for anything which might indicate an equally-potentially-life-threatening bleed. So that's taking priority over WikiRelated stuff for a while. Pesky ( talk) 08:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
but you've got mail. WormTT( talk) 12:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I'm contacting you because you have participated or discussed The Wikipedia Adventure learning tutorial/game idea. I think you should know about a current Community Fellowship proposal to create the game with some Wikimedia Foundation support. Your feedback on the proposal would be very much appreciated. I should note that the feedback is for the proposal, not the proposer, and even if the Fellowship goes forward it might be undertaken by presently not-mentioned editors. Thanks again for your consideration.
Proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Project_Ideas/The_Wikipedia_Adventure
Cheers, User:Ocaasi 16:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. As you expressed interest in hearing updates to my research in the dispute resolution survey that was done a few months ago, I just wanted to let you know that I am hosting an IRC office hours session this coming Saturday, 28th July at 19:00 UTC (approximately 12 hours from now). This will be located in the #wikimedia-office connect IRC channel - if you have not participated in an IRC discussion before you can connect to IRC here.
Regards, User:Szhang (WMF) ( talk) 07:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I can put this here now that the discussion is closed and there can be no accusations of canvassing!
Twenty-two people don't think that it is important that our policies should be immediately and unambiguously clear to all our editors, including those for whom English is a second language, and those who are on the Autism spectrum, or that any statement that may cause confusion, or a "jolt" to the thinking processes, should be clarified with a full explanation in order to avoid misinterpretation and / or mistakes in applying policy that cause avoidable stress and argument, and unnecessarily waste editors' time and resources.
ROFL! Pesky ( talk) 15:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Actions that can reasonably be construed as improving the encyclopedia should not be considered abuse. is NOT something you can actually say out loud.
Luckily we all agree that "A third party may request the review of a block at the Administrators' noticeboard." but after literally one dozen pages, we can't decide if we actually want to tell anyone. (I think, although I can't make out what the close actually said, can anyone help me here?) Penyulap ☏ 17:27, 28 Jul 2012 (UTC)
Here it is ... enjoy! The comments can basically be broken down into the "It'll never fly!" group; the "Stupid idea!" group, the "I'm objecting to some extrapolation of it which has occurred to me" group, the "Gosh, you're trying to get rid of VnT in a really underhanded manner" group, the "So now we're going to have to word everything in every conceivable way to cope with the incompetent disabled" group, and the "I don't like it" group. Happy, happy closers ... Pesky ( talk) 22:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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Pesky ( talk) 07:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
... and this is a lovely one:
Before:
“The amount of expenses reimbursed to a claimant under this subpart shall be reduced by any amount that the claimant receives from a collateral source in connection with the same act of international terrorism. In cases in which a claimant receives reimbursement under this subpart for expenses that also will or may be reimbursed from another source, the claimant shall subrogate the United States to the claim for payment from the collateral source up to the amount for which the claimant was reimbursed under this subpart.”
After:
“If you get a payment from a collateral source, we will reduce our payment by the amount you get. If you get payments from us and from a collateral source for the same expenses, you must pay us back the amount we paid you.” Pesky ( talk) 07:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Ah, but of course they don't want to use the active voice. :-) Arc de Ciel ( talk) 09:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Design for All a design philosophy targeting the use of products, services and systems by as many people as possible without the need for adaptation. Design for All is design for human diversity, social inclusion and equality (EIDD Stockholm Declaration, 2004). According to the European Commission, it "encourages manufacturers and service providers to produce new technologies for everyone: technologies that are suitable for the elderly and people with disabilities, as much as the teenage techno wizard." As a community, we are more than capable of writing in DfA-English on our policy pages. Policies should be written to the highest standards to which we can aspire (FA-standard prose, basically). The only thing which appears to be lacking is the desire to do so, possibly founded on Denial that there's any need to do so. Pesky ( talk) 04:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I really do find that language attractive, Techno wizard and grandmother sort of thing, a list of compliments is a better new direction to travel in. However, I'd say it is about a trillion times easier for me to use the ideas in the non-sister projects as it can just be written, and placed out of reach of little fingers the same way I put innocent prisoners dilemma out of reach. Otherwise it is slow going. But I'll do my best to help. Penyulap ☏ 04:33, 30 Jul 2012 (UTC)
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Hey guys! What do we think about the idea of a new WikiProject: Plain English for Policies? Anyone like the idea of this? Pesky ( talk) 04:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing you might or might not know that Pen was indef blocked. It is a shame, but necessary. Of course, many editors have run to his talk page. What he might not have expected is that while they support the block, they support and like Penyulap, and hope he can deal with his demons and come back. Just wanted to let you know. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Pesky ( talk) 07:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pesky, just thought I'd let you know that an editor who self-identifies as on the autistic spectrum, is currently at WP:ANI (and most likely about to be indefinitely blocked, as far as I can see), here. You may have useful input. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 08:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
hello, I proposed your essay be moved, I thought you'd like to engage in discussion. 173.219.77.134 ( talk) 21:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Over here! ROFL Pesky ( talk) 03:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok that made me laugh : ) - jc37 03:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hehe! I like stuff like the pic here. Pesky ( talk) 05:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hehe! I like the way that Tesco's have branched out, personally ;P Pesky ( talk) 06:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).
The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.
I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 19:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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You could die from the giggles. I came across a truly wonderful non-wiki one earlier today, in a book about environmentally-friendly building, regarding the legal obligations of members of a community in Hockerton.
"... specific conditions, such as a restriction to one fossil-fuelled car for each household and an obligation to contribute a minimum of eight hours per week to maintaining the energy and water systems, cultivating the organic vegetables and fruit, tending bees and fish in the lake ..." (Jon Broome (2007). The Green Self-Build Book. Green Books Ltd. ISBN 9781903998731.)
Onoes! We have a drowning bee! Launch the lifeboat! Pesky ( talk) 22:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC) Alternatively: aquatic bees? Interesting concept ... Pesky ( talk) 07:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :)
A couple of new things.
First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.
On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 16:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Please let me know what code I shall use in order to display a banner indicating "It has been suggested that this page title XYZ be changed to ABC". Here XYZ is current title and ABC is suggested title. Kurmaa ( talk) 12:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
... not yet two, and currently in hospital with pneumonia :o( He is going to be having a CT scan (under sedation) and possibly / probably a chest drain, poor little soul. Pesky ( talk) 09:12, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to hear this Pesky. Its harder for the little ones because they don't understand what's happening to them, and always hard for the family to watch and to be able to do so little to help. I hope he's well soon.( olive ( talk) 15:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC))
He has a lot going for him: he's very well in himself other than that, and his body seems to have been able to compensate pretty well for only effectively having one functioning lung. The medicos were amazed that he could be running around like he does. It will be at least 5 days before we have biopsy results, depends rather on how many different tests they have to do on it to isolate exactly which it is. He should be coming home either today or tomorrow, and then will be starting on chemo to shrink it before surgery to remove as much as they can of it. Unfortunately it's not a nice discrete tumour; there's some invasion of the chest wall and pleura as well. With any luck, though, the chemo will zap a lot of it.
We're going to ask the hospital if we can put the CT image on Commons (when we find out which it is), as both those articles are very poorly illustrated. I'm not sure who would technically hold the copyright on it; they were quite happy to let us have a copy of it (and the radiologist's report) on disc. If it's the PPB, it's probably unlikely that the 'pedia could easily get an image from elsewhere, as there are so few cases of it worldwide. Pesky ( talk) 03:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pesky! I wanted to stop by to share a new project with you that I am developing, called the WikiWomen's Collaborative. I would love your input about the project.
Thank you for the consideration and I hope you'll participate in developing this exciting new project to bring more women to Wikipedia! SarahStierch ( talk) 22:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
I was introduced by a friend to befriend you because our common interests. Hope you like my stuff, you can see them on my user page. Have a great day!
RexRowan (
talk) 07:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
my second surgery in less than a month, sorry to whine but something’s just don’t seem like they should be out patient. thanks for your words : )
Sara goth ( talk) 07:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
you two have stories that make me feel like a wimp for whining about my surgery. mine was some pre cancer stuff took two surgeries to get it all. it was in my mouth that’s right i was a smoker. i sure hope this is the end of it because I can’t afford it. i am not trying to sound political when I say this but I sure wish we had nation healthcare in this country. Sara goth ( talk) 17:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
... like this one Pesky ( talk) 10:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Pesky, I designed a userbox you can add to your userpage or subpages so that it's easier to find me. You want me to make you one to add as my friend too?
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:D -- RexRowan Talk 10:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pesky, Matthew is one of my Wiki-grandpa Worm's people. And I asked Doc James to be my mentor. Matthew was right in some way that article talk page is not a forum. If you think about it, this is the only place we can do what we think is right without excessive socializing, something people on the spectrum can feel comfortable about. But occasionally, we meet like minded people and would like to interact more, like me and you, human nature, nothing wrong with that. I suggest try to avoid article talk page and use our own talk page for everything else. Also, if it makes easier, I saw my grandpa does this, you can create a private page to chat to a specific person and it's nobody's business.
I am free for a chat anytime, big outlaw, yes. If I run this place I'd take all of the top contributors out for dinners and you can tell me as many jokes as you like. A champion motives with benevolence and a loser represses with tyranny.
Many people say that it's unprofessional to mix work and fun together but who's to say they are professionals? Most articles written on here are by amateurs, real journals get published in Science and Nature. On top of that, I think it is one of the most unappealing policy of Wikipedia, all work and no fun, slightly out balanced, won't you say?
This is my own solution, you are invited to join my party at my mess deck: User:RexRowan/Mess
-- RexRowan Talk 11:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Ehh, never mind. It wasn't even on an article talk page, just the WikiProject talk page, and was in response to something said by someone else .... which was also personal input. Maybe M just had a snappy day.
P.S. Worm's one of my favouritest people in here ;P Pesky ( talk) 02:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on a few ideas on Plain English for policies. It may or may not ever turn into a WikiProject (would be nice if it did; would almost certainly improve editor retention).
Anyone who's interested in this idea, please read over here. Adding any more good sources and summaries of same would be welcome. Pesky ( talk) 06:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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I happened to read the little snippets of info about your interests, which made me think of the stubbish newcomer's manual… although probably you already know of it :^) benzband ( talk) 08:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Anyhoo, I just wrote up Reliable sources for the newcomer's manual. Pesky ( talk) 07:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Adding: here's a horsey one: When you're riding and training a horse, the engine, and the weight of the engine, is in the back end. The front end is there mostly for balance and steering, and should be really light. We influence the front end using subtlety, not force or strength. Expansion: imagine his back legs as thick as tree trunks, and his front legs as thin as bamboo poles. The front legs are there to stop his nose hitting the ground. Pesky ( talk) 04:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
oops, I forgot to sign, -Pen. that's better.
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Pesky ( talk) 07:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I am having an extremely frustrating time due to a number of things, you can probably see from my contribs (it was the only way I could work it out) that I'm falling to sleep erratically all over the place, (I try again tomorrow to see a doctor) I am having a very hard time however identifying who I am going to speak to as far as an SPI is concerned, it's the same case, and I still haven't worked out who the hell is supposed to be the person I speak with. The crap needs mopping up, it's all in my head, and I sure as hell can't write it all down because it is simply going to be tldr as always. Your friend doesn't help by being two faced either, one face on the SPI page, and one on the puppet talkpage. In order to compress everything down to readable twitter sized pieces I have to know which parts are required step by step. When I demonstrate that it is WP:HA and then someone falsely represents themselves to be ignorant of it on the spi page, then I cannot proceed to step two. Do you think it is appropriate that I should give more and more and more detail on the SPI page to someone who is being this two faced ? is that helpful ? is that the T word right there ? If you could assist me to find someone reasonable to work with that would be of great assistance to me. I did not wish to bother Dennis as he is already aware but appears to be heavily loaded with work to do already.
Also I've sent some emails but have had no response, which is confusing too. Penyulap ☏ 06:21, 26 Jul 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Sorry about the email thing; I've been both very tied-up with some deadline-driven stuff IRL, and I'm still trying to think how best to word a response. Pesky ( talk) 07:20, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
And persistent! You know I talked about how Bryn was trying to clean the litter tray earlier! And left the poop-scoop in the tray?
Well, this morning, he managed to get a poo-bag into the tray, and carefully (and very deftly) managed to sort out the poo and put it on top of the bag. Wow! I'm just waiting for the day when he gets the poo into the bag, ties up the bag, and trots off to the bin with it ... Pesky ( talk) 06:39, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Pen (and others), I apologise if I'm not giving the amount of input / response that you may deserve. Thing is, though, that I'm spending a lot of time with my son, doing some of the stuff that he needs to get done, and keeping an eye on him helping me do some of the stuff that I should be getting done, and in other circumstances might just have been able to delegate to him. This is the son with the PE. I'm basically on constant semi-alert mode, keeping an eye out for anything which could indicate a potentially-life-threatening second (or further) embolism, and (because he's on anticoagulants) also keeping an eye out for anything which might indicate an equally-potentially-life-threatening bleed. So that's taking priority over WikiRelated stuff for a while. Pesky ( talk) 08:58, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
but you've got mail. WormTT( talk) 12:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi! I'm contacting you because you have participated or discussed The Wikipedia Adventure learning tutorial/game idea. I think you should know about a current Community Fellowship proposal to create the game with some Wikimedia Foundation support. Your feedback on the proposal would be very much appreciated. I should note that the feedback is for the proposal, not the proposer, and even if the Fellowship goes forward it might be undertaken by presently not-mentioned editors. Thanks again for your consideration.
Proposal: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships/Project_Ideas/The_Wikipedia_Adventure
Cheers, User:Ocaasi 16:42, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello there. As you expressed interest in hearing updates to my research in the dispute resolution survey that was done a few months ago, I just wanted to let you know that I am hosting an IRC office hours session this coming Saturday, 28th July at 19:00 UTC (approximately 12 hours from now). This will be located in the #wikimedia-office connect IRC channel - if you have not participated in an IRC discussion before you can connect to IRC here.
Regards, User:Szhang (WMF) ( talk) 07:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
I can put this here now that the discussion is closed and there can be no accusations of canvassing!
Twenty-two people don't think that it is important that our policies should be immediately and unambiguously clear to all our editors, including those for whom English is a second language, and those who are on the Autism spectrum, or that any statement that may cause confusion, or a "jolt" to the thinking processes, should be clarified with a full explanation in order to avoid misinterpretation and / or mistakes in applying policy that cause avoidable stress and argument, and unnecessarily waste editors' time and resources.
ROFL! Pesky ( talk) 15:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Actions that can reasonably be construed as improving the encyclopedia should not be considered abuse. is NOT something you can actually say out loud.
Luckily we all agree that "A third party may request the review of a block at the Administrators' noticeboard." but after literally one dozen pages, we can't decide if we actually want to tell anyone. (I think, although I can't make out what the close actually said, can anyone help me here?) Penyulap ☏ 17:27, 28 Jul 2012 (UTC)
Here it is ... enjoy! The comments can basically be broken down into the "It'll never fly!" group; the "Stupid idea!" group, the "I'm objecting to some extrapolation of it which has occurred to me" group, the "Gosh, you're trying to get rid of VnT in a really underhanded manner" group, the "So now we're going to have to word everything in every conceivable way to cope with the incompetent disabled" group, and the "I don't like it" group. Happy, happy closers ... Pesky ( talk) 22:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Defined as follows:
* "Clear, straightforward expression, using only as many words as are necessary. It is language that avoids obscurity, inflated vocabulary and convoluted construction. It is not baby talk, nor is it a simplified version of ... language." (Dr Robert Eagleson)
Pesky ( talk) 07:00, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
... and this is a lovely one:
Before:
“The amount of expenses reimbursed to a claimant under this subpart shall be reduced by any amount that the claimant receives from a collateral source in connection with the same act of international terrorism. In cases in which a claimant receives reimbursement under this subpart for expenses that also will or may be reimbursed from another source, the claimant shall subrogate the United States to the claim for payment from the collateral source up to the amount for which the claimant was reimbursed under this subpart.”
After:
“If you get a payment from a collateral source, we will reduce our payment by the amount you get. If you get payments from us and from a collateral source for the same expenses, you must pay us back the amount we paid you.” Pesky ( talk) 07:14, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Ah, but of course they don't want to use the active voice. :-) Arc de Ciel ( talk) 09:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
Design for All a design philosophy targeting the use of products, services and systems by as many people as possible without the need for adaptation. Design for All is design for human diversity, social inclusion and equality (EIDD Stockholm Declaration, 2004). According to the European Commission, it "encourages manufacturers and service providers to produce new technologies for everyone: technologies that are suitable for the elderly and people with disabilities, as much as the teenage techno wizard." As a community, we are more than capable of writing in DfA-English on our policy pages. Policies should be written to the highest standards to which we can aspire (FA-standard prose, basically). The only thing which appears to be lacking is the desire to do so, possibly founded on Denial that there's any need to do so. Pesky ( talk) 04:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I really do find that language attractive, Techno wizard and grandmother sort of thing, a list of compliments is a better new direction to travel in. However, I'd say it is about a trillion times easier for me to use the ideas in the non-sister projects as it can just be written, and placed out of reach of little fingers the same way I put innocent prisoners dilemma out of reach. Otherwise it is slow going. But I'll do my best to help. Penyulap ☏ 04:33, 30 Jul 2012 (UTC)
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Hey guys! What do we think about the idea of a new WikiProject: Plain English for Policies? Anyone like the idea of this? Pesky ( talk) 04:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm guessing you might or might not know that Pen was indef blocked. It is a shame, but necessary. Of course, many editors have run to his talk page. What he might not have expected is that while they support the block, they support and like Penyulap, and hope he can deal with his demons and come back. Just wanted to let you know. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 02:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Pesky ( talk) 07:21, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pesky, just thought I'd let you know that an editor who self-identifies as on the autistic spectrum, is currently at WP:ANI (and most likely about to be indefinitely blocked, as far as I can see), here. You may have useful input. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 08:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
hello, I proposed your essay be moved, I thought you'd like to engage in discussion. 173.219.77.134 ( talk) 21:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Over here! ROFL Pesky ( talk) 03:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok that made me laugh : ) - jc37 03:49, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hehe! I like stuff like the pic here. Pesky ( talk) 05:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hehe! I like the way that Tesco's have branched out, personally ;P Pesky ( talk) 06:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey all. Some quick but important updates on what we've been up to and what's coming up next :).
The curation toolbar, our Wikimedia-supported twinkle replacement. We're going to be deploying it, along with a pile of bugfixes, to wikipedia on 9 August. After a few days to check it doesn't make anything explode or die, we'll be sticking up a big notice and sending out an additional newsletter inviting people to test it out and give us feedback :). This will be followed by two office hours sessions - one on Tuesday the 14th of August at 19:00 UTC for all us Europeans, and one on Wednesday the 15th at 23:00 UTC for the East Coasters out there :). As always, these will be held in #wikimedia-office; drop me a note if you want to know how to easily get on IRC, or if you aren't able to attend but would like the logs.
I hope to see a lot of you there; it's going to be a big day for everyone involved, I think :). I'll have more notes after the deployment! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 19:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
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You could die from the giggles. I came across a truly wonderful non-wiki one earlier today, in a book about environmentally-friendly building, regarding the legal obligations of members of a community in Hockerton.
"... specific conditions, such as a restriction to one fossil-fuelled car for each household and an obligation to contribute a minimum of eight hours per week to maintaining the energy and water systems, cultivating the organic vegetables and fruit, tending bees and fish in the lake ..." (Jon Broome (2007). The Green Self-Build Book. Green Books Ltd. ISBN 9781903998731.)
Onoes! We have a drowning bee! Launch the lifeboat! Pesky ( talk) 22:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC) Alternatively: aquatic bees? Interesting concept ... Pesky ( talk) 07:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey all :)
A couple of new things.
First, you'll note that all the project titles have now changed to the Page Curation prefix, rather than having the New Pages Feed prefix. This is because the overarching project name has changed to Page Curation; the feed is still known as New Pages Feed, and the Curation Toolbar is still the Curation Toolbar. Hopefully this will be the last namechange ;p.
On the subject of the Curation Toolbar (nice segue, Oliver!) - it's now deployed on Wikipedia. Just open up any article in the New Pages Feed and it should appear on the right. It's still a beta version - bugs are expected - and we've got a lot more work to do. But if you see something going wrong, or a feature missing, drop me a note or post on the project talkpage and I'll be happy to help :). We'll be holding two office hours sessions to discuss the tool and improvements to it; the first is at 19:00 UTC on 14 August, and the second at 23:00 on the 15th. Both will be in #wikimedia-office as always. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) ( talk) 16:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Please let me know what code I shall use in order to display a banner indicating "It has been suggested that this page title XYZ be changed to ABC". Here XYZ is current title and ABC is suggested title. Kurmaa ( talk) 12:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
... not yet two, and currently in hospital with pneumonia :o( He is going to be having a CT scan (under sedation) and possibly / probably a chest drain, poor little soul. Pesky ( talk) 09:12, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to hear this Pesky. Its harder for the little ones because they don't understand what's happening to them, and always hard for the family to watch and to be able to do so little to help. I hope he's well soon.( olive ( talk) 15:37, 9 August 2012 (UTC))
He has a lot going for him: he's very well in himself other than that, and his body seems to have been able to compensate pretty well for only effectively having one functioning lung. The medicos were amazed that he could be running around like he does. It will be at least 5 days before we have biopsy results, depends rather on how many different tests they have to do on it to isolate exactly which it is. He should be coming home either today or tomorrow, and then will be starting on chemo to shrink it before surgery to remove as much as they can of it. Unfortunately it's not a nice discrete tumour; there's some invasion of the chest wall and pleura as well. With any luck, though, the chemo will zap a lot of it.
We're going to ask the hospital if we can put the CT image on Commons (when we find out which it is), as both those articles are very poorly illustrated. I'm not sure who would technically hold the copyright on it; they were quite happy to let us have a copy of it (and the radiologist's report) on disc. If it's the PPB, it's probably unlikely that the 'pedia could easily get an image from elsewhere, as there are so few cases of it worldwide. Pesky ( talk) 03:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pesky! I wanted to stop by to share a new project with you that I am developing, called the WikiWomen's Collaborative. I would love your input about the project.
Thank you for the consideration and I hope you'll participate in developing this exciting new project to bring more women to Wikipedia! SarahStierch ( talk) 22:52, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Hello,
I was introduced by a friend to befriend you because our common interests. Hope you like my stuff, you can see them on my user page. Have a great day!
RexRowan (
talk) 07:51, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
my second surgery in less than a month, sorry to whine but something’s just don’t seem like they should be out patient. thanks for your words : )
Sara goth ( talk) 07:53, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
you two have stories that make me feel like a wimp for whining about my surgery. mine was some pre cancer stuff took two surgeries to get it all. it was in my mouth that’s right i was a smoker. i sure hope this is the end of it because I can’t afford it. i am not trying to sound political when I say this but I sure wish we had nation healthcare in this country. Sara goth ( talk) 17:38, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
... like this one Pesky ( talk) 10:39, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
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Hi Pesky, I designed a userbox you can add to your userpage or subpages so that it's easier to find me. You want me to make you one to add as my friend too?
This user is a friend of RexRowan. |
:D -- RexRowan Talk 10:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Pesky, Matthew is one of my Wiki-grandpa Worm's people. And I asked Doc James to be my mentor. Matthew was right in some way that article talk page is not a forum. If you think about it, this is the only place we can do what we think is right without excessive socializing, something people on the spectrum can feel comfortable about. But occasionally, we meet like minded people and would like to interact more, like me and you, human nature, nothing wrong with that. I suggest try to avoid article talk page and use our own talk page for everything else. Also, if it makes easier, I saw my grandpa does this, you can create a private page to chat to a specific person and it's nobody's business.
I am free for a chat anytime, big outlaw, yes. If I run this place I'd take all of the top contributors out for dinners and you can tell me as many jokes as you like. A champion motives with benevolence and a loser represses with tyranny.
Many people say that it's unprofessional to mix work and fun together but who's to say they are professionals? Most articles written on here are by amateurs, real journals get published in Science and Nature. On top of that, I think it is one of the most unappealing policy of Wikipedia, all work and no fun, slightly out balanced, won't you say?
This is my own solution, you are invited to join my party at my mess deck: User:RexRowan/Mess
-- RexRowan Talk 11:10, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Ehh, never mind. It wasn't even on an article talk page, just the WikiProject talk page, and was in response to something said by someone else .... which was also personal input. Maybe M just had a snappy day.
P.S. Worm's one of my favouritest people in here ;P Pesky ( talk) 02:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm working on a few ideas on Plain English for policies. It may or may not ever turn into a WikiProject (would be nice if it did; would almost certainly improve editor retention).
Anyone who's interested in this idea, please read over here. Adding any more good sources and summaries of same would be welcome. Pesky ( talk) 06:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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