Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Unfortunately, your edits show a mis-understanding of WP:NPOV, and so they have been reverted. It is not a violation of NPOV to note that Randell Mills' work is generally considered pseudoscience - it is required by NPOV that that information be present. Similarly, it is required by NPOV to note that evaluators have accused Mills of plagiarism - regardless of Mills' response to the accusation. Please review and understand WP:NPOV before making any additional edits.
Mills used the material he quoted for purposes of scholarship and criticism, and he gave and cited the source, as anyone who can read can see for themselves in Mills’ book. The policy on material about living persons requires that the extreme and potentially libelous imputation of plagiarism made in the Hydrino theory article be removed, all the more so because the reference cited for the imputation didn’t even use so inflammatory a term as plagiarism. Please review and understand WP:Biographies_of_living_persons before making any additional edits.
Also, I must issue you a conditional warning: if you have previously edited Wikipedia under another account, please be aware of WP:SOCK. Editors are not permitted to use multiple accounts for the same types of edits. If you have not previously edited Wikipedia, but have been asked to make particular types of edits by someone who has, that is considered the same. If your edits are strictly of your own volition, I apologize for issuing this warning, but it is necessary due to past activity relating to Mills. Michaelbusch 19:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. The justifications you have been giving do not apply. Thank you. Michaelbusch 20:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, you will be blocked from editing. For the last time: NPOV requires mention of criticism. Michaelbusch 21:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you delete or blank page content from Wikipedia, you will be
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21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Dloh cierekim
Are you the Tom Stolper who wrote a book about Mills? If so, I must remind you of Wikipedia's conflict-of-interest rules. Having written a book about the man may not exclude you from editing the article, but it definitely constitutes some form of conflict-of-interest - the book was, after all, rather partial to the man's claims. Michaelbusch ( talk) 22:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting interpretations, Michael. You imply that the longer someone has studied a subject, and the more he knows about it, the less right he has to edit an article about the subject. I doubt that is Wikipedia policy. Yes, I am the Tom Stolper (Thomas E. Stolper) who wrote a book about Mills. So far, it’s still the only one. As to the false and potentially libelous imputation of plagiarism, anyone who can read can check it out. It’s just more time-consuming to refute injurious rumors than it is to start them or perpetuate them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TStolper1W ( talk • contribs)
No, Michael, it's just fact-checking, and fact-checking that I did at the time that the version of Mills' book in question was the current version. Mills cited his source for the quoted material and critiqued the quoted material. Wikipedia policy requires that the false and potentially libelous imputation of plagiarism be removed, especially when the citation for that false imputation is to something as poor as a single paragraph of online material put up by a longtime opponent of Mills, an opponent who merely drew the allegation from someone else. Tom Stolper. TStolper1W ( talk) 21:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:No_original_research#Citing_oneself and end your self-appointed crusade. You are very close to violating WP:3RR again, as well as breaking WP:NPOV. Michaelbusch ( talk) 20:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, Michael, suppose you end your crusade against Mills, which I doubt that even your circle of friends would consider neutral. TStolper1W ( talk) 15:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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Now, as you've been made aware above, you've jumped into Wikipedia and are editing some controversial topics. Please make sure that you adhere carefully to our neutral point of view policy. I would encourage you to edit in some non-pseudoscience area for the time being as your edits are currently attracting the wrong type of attention. If you would like further advice please contact me on my talk page, which you can access by clicking the word "talk" at the end of this line. Stifle ( talk) 09:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Please stop your senseless POV claim that Bob Park is a 'long-term critic' of Randell Mills. Park is a professor of physics at the University of Maryland and high up in the administration of the American Physical Society. While he is also known for attacking any and all forms of pseudoscience, citing him as a 'long-term critic' greatly overstates the effort he put into debunking Mills and is an unacceptable POV slant because it implies that he acted as a critic rather than an impartial evaluator and debunker. The citation given is to a piece by Park where he was describing the evaluation of Mills' book by Aaron Barth, and is quoted in the controversy section of the article. I apologize for mis-typing one of my edit summaries, but that does not excuse your repeated reversions. Michaelbusch ( talk) 00:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
You have just demonstrated a disconnection from reality that I have been warned about by two separate people in off-wiki message. Understand this: Mills is a pseudoscientist and either a fool or a con man - that is the neutral evaluation. He has long since lost any credibility he ever had in the scientific community. Park has his credentials in solid-state physics, his professorship, and his position with the American Physical Society. Incidentally: Park published ~20 peer-reviewed papers between 1982 and 1989, if you will consult his CV. Since he became a professor emeritus, he hasn't been doing much active research, but that is the curse of being an administrator. Instead, he has numerous editorial pieces, debunkings, and the book Voodoo Science. Being a debunker doesn't make him an enemy of Mills - it just means he has chosen to spend his retirement cleaning up after others. I am done discussing this. Michaelbusch ( talk) 20:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or talk pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a " soapbox" is strongly discouraged. You have been warned about WP:COI and other policies before. Michaelbusch ( talk) 22:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Advertisement here, and if the above material is insufficient for you to understand that your conflict of interest is a problem, I don't know what would be. Michaelbusch ( talk) 20:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Writing and making available a paperback book about the reception of Mills’ work isn’t a COI. The book is a credential for speaking about its subject; and the book is a reference for it, because it’s the first such book, and still the only one. TStolper1W ( talk) 01:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello TStolper1W. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and " no personal attack" policies. Thank you. MastCell Talk 21:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
That’s an effective way of getting rid of a POV with which you and your allies don’t agree, Michael, and of letting others know that you and they have control of so visible an outlet as Wikipedia for your and their hostile POV in this matter. TStolper1W ( talk) 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Given your conflict of interest and difficulties editing this page within policy, I'm going to ask that you not edit the article Randell Mills directly. You may edit the article talk page and propose changes there, and seek WP:CONSENSUS for them. You may also solicit third opinions, outside comments, or assistance with unsourced or defamatory material via the usual channels. However, if you edit the page directly, you will be blocked. MastCell Talk 06:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Randell Mills, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randell Mills. Thank you. -- BJBot ( talk) 10:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Tom, I would like to ask you to stop editing content on Hydrino theory in any way that can be considered controversial. I'm sure you know this material as well as anyone. However, the fact that you have written a biography on Randell Mills and, in theory at least, stand to profit by promoting him will inevitably taint your contributions. You've been asked to stop above and I tend to agree that you are not a dis-interested party here. Also, after reviewing the narrow range of your contributions, I'd encourage you to have a look at WP's policy on single-purpose accounts. Ronnotel ( talk) 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Ron, you're asking me to write only what Mills' opponents agree with. As for my paperback book, writing a book about something is a credential, not a COI. I've made my paperback study of the Mills episode available on Amazon free of royalty. It's my belief that the USA and the world have much to lose if Mills and his wide-ranging work aren't given a more favorable reception than they have so far been accorded. TStolper1W ( talk) 18:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Response to MastCell, whoever MastCell may be. Using the Wikipedia as a forum for one-sided attack on so fine a scientist as Mills is worse than inappropriate. TStolper1W ( talk) 16:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Indirect financial ties to this topic, Ron? Writing an extensively-documented paperback book about the reception of Mills' work has taken years of my life and cost me a small fortune. I have made that paperback study available on Amazon free of royalty. I don't own any stock in BlackLight Power, Inc., and never have, nor have I ever received any remuneration from BLP, so I don't think that I have any direct financial ties to this topic whatsoever. As for bias, I find the bias of people who vehemently push their hostile Point of View (PoV) that Mills is a pseudoscientist to be extreme bias, and the way in which they just delete favorable Points of View about Mills to be even more extreme. No pseudoscientist has ever been able to do all that Mills has done, including presentations at scientific meetings and the publication of dozens of peer-reviewed scientific articles over many years. TStolper1W ( talk) 14:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Response to Michael W. Busch (Michaelbusch). On your initiative, I was blocked from editing a different article, the article called “Randell Mills,” afterwards deleted from the Wikipedia by you and your allies. End this? Viewed in historical perspective, it has hardly begun. I may not live to see my judgment of Mills and his work vindicated, but you’re a lot younger than I am, so you will. Thomas E. Stolper. TStolper1W ( talk) 16:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Tom, I've filed a case at the COI notice board seeking guidance on whether your situation presents a COI. Ronnotel ( talk) 22:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello. To formalize some of the discussion on the WP:COI noticeboard, I'm going to restrict you to 1RR on the hydrino theory article. That means that you may edit it, and you may make 1 revert per 24-hour period. More than that will result in a block. If you're on the fence about whether an edit consitutes a "revert", don't make the edit and go to the talk page instead. If you make a proposed edit and it's reverted, you are encouraged to use the talk page rather than reverting even once. If you feel that you're being taken advantage of, then please consider soliciting outside opinions via WP:3O or WP:RfC. The 1RR will take effect at the end of the day (UTC) today; if you would like to dispute my action here, you may raise it at the admin's noticeboard for wider feedback - I ask only that you notify me if you intend to do so with a brief note on my talk page. MastCell Talk 20:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Please read and understand the policy on edit warring, and review your recent edits to Hydrino theory in that light. Please also consider the three-revert rule policy, which conveys that the hard revert limit (in your case on this issue, one) is a maximum, not an entitlement. You have been posting substantively the same text to this article almost once a day for over a week, and have been reverted by several editors. Clearly, the current consensus is that your favored version is in some way flawed. I will explain my reasons for my stance favoring the current version if you post a cogent explanation of your ideas for improving the article to the talk page. - Eldereft ~( s) talk~ 14:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
If there is an edit war at Hydrino theory, then I think that it is a war led and encouraged by Michaelbusch, and one aimed at imposing Michaelbusch’s extremely hostile point of view, if necessary by erasing and completely blocking a different point of view from the article. See the debate at WP:COIN. I hope Eldereft won’t join that campaign. For an explanation of my edits of the Hydrino theory article, see my edit summaries in the Revision History of that article. TStolper1W ( talk) 01:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC) The aforementioned debate at WP:COIN has now been archived. TStolper1W ( talk) 15:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions. Unfortunately, your edits show a mis-understanding of WP:NPOV, and so they have been reverted. It is not a violation of NPOV to note that Randell Mills' work is generally considered pseudoscience - it is required by NPOV that that information be present. Similarly, it is required by NPOV to note that evaluators have accused Mills of plagiarism - regardless of Mills' response to the accusation. Please review and understand WP:NPOV before making any additional edits.
Mills used the material he quoted for purposes of scholarship and criticism, and he gave and cited the source, as anyone who can read can see for themselves in Mills’ book. The policy on material about living persons requires that the extreme and potentially libelous imputation of plagiarism made in the Hydrino theory article be removed, all the more so because the reference cited for the imputation didn’t even use so inflammatory a term as plagiarism. Please review and understand WP:Biographies_of_living_persons before making any additional edits.
Also, I must issue you a conditional warning: if you have previously edited Wikipedia under another account, please be aware of WP:SOCK. Editors are not permitted to use multiple accounts for the same types of edits. If you have not previously edited Wikipedia, but have been asked to make particular types of edits by someone who has, that is considered the same. If your edits are strictly of your own volition, I apologize for issuing this warning, but it is necessary due to past activity relating to Mills. Michaelbusch 19:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please do not delete content from pages on Wikipedia without explaining the reason for the removal in the edit summary. Unexplained removal of content does not appear constructive, and your edit has been reverted. The justifications you have been giving do not apply. Thank you. Michaelbusch 20:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. If you continue to blank out or delete portions of page content, you will be blocked from editing. For the last time: NPOV requires mention of criticism. Michaelbusch 21:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you delete or blank page content from Wikipedia, you will be
blocked from editing.
Michaelbusch
21:28, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Dloh cierekim
Are you the Tom Stolper who wrote a book about Mills? If so, I must remind you of Wikipedia's conflict-of-interest rules. Having written a book about the man may not exclude you from editing the article, but it definitely constitutes some form of conflict-of-interest - the book was, after all, rather partial to the man's claims. Michaelbusch ( talk) 22:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting interpretations, Michael. You imply that the longer someone has studied a subject, and the more he knows about it, the less right he has to edit an article about the subject. I doubt that is Wikipedia policy. Yes, I am the Tom Stolper (Thomas E. Stolper) who wrote a book about Mills. So far, it’s still the only one. As to the false and potentially libelous imputation of plagiarism, anyone who can read can check it out. It’s just more time-consuming to refute injurious rumors than it is to start them or perpetuate them.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TStolper1W ( talk • contribs)
No, Michael, it's just fact-checking, and fact-checking that I did at the time that the version of Mills' book in question was the current version. Mills cited his source for the quoted material and critiqued the quoted material. Wikipedia policy requires that the false and potentially libelous imputation of plagiarism be removed, especially when the citation for that false imputation is to something as poor as a single paragraph of online material put up by a longtime opponent of Mills, an opponent who merely drew the allegation from someone else. Tom Stolper. TStolper1W ( talk) 21:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:No_original_research#Citing_oneself and end your self-appointed crusade. You are very close to violating WP:3RR again, as well as breaking WP:NPOV. Michaelbusch ( talk) 20:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, Michael, suppose you end your crusade against Mills, which I doubt that even your circle of friends would consider neutral. TStolper1W ( talk) 15:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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Now, as you've been made aware above, you've jumped into Wikipedia and are editing some controversial topics. Please make sure that you adhere carefully to our neutral point of view policy. I would encourage you to edit in some non-pseudoscience area for the time being as your edits are currently attracting the wrong type of attention. If you would like further advice please contact me on my talk page, which you can access by clicking the word "talk" at the end of this line. Stifle ( talk) 09:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Please stop your senseless POV claim that Bob Park is a 'long-term critic' of Randell Mills. Park is a professor of physics at the University of Maryland and high up in the administration of the American Physical Society. While he is also known for attacking any and all forms of pseudoscience, citing him as a 'long-term critic' greatly overstates the effort he put into debunking Mills and is an unacceptable POV slant because it implies that he acted as a critic rather than an impartial evaluator and debunker. The citation given is to a piece by Park where he was describing the evaluation of Mills' book by Aaron Barth, and is quoted in the controversy section of the article. I apologize for mis-typing one of my edit summaries, but that does not excuse your repeated reversions. Michaelbusch ( talk) 00:23, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
You have just demonstrated a disconnection from reality that I have been warned about by two separate people in off-wiki message. Understand this: Mills is a pseudoscientist and either a fool or a con man - that is the neutral evaluation. He has long since lost any credibility he ever had in the scientific community. Park has his credentials in solid-state physics, his professorship, and his position with the American Physical Society. Incidentally: Park published ~20 peer-reviewed papers between 1982 and 1989, if you will consult his CV. Since he became a professor emeritus, he hasn't been doing much active research, but that is the curse of being an administrator. Instead, he has numerous editorial pieces, debunkings, and the book Voodoo Science. Being a debunker doesn't make him an enemy of Mills - it just means he has chosen to spend his retirement cleaning up after others. I am done discussing this. Michaelbusch ( talk) 20:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or talk pages. Advertising and using Wikipedia as a " soapbox" is strongly discouraged. You have been warned about WP:COI and other policies before. Michaelbusch ( talk) 22:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Advertisement here, and if the above material is insufficient for you to understand that your conflict of interest is a problem, I don't know what would be. Michaelbusch ( talk) 20:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Writing and making available a paperback book about the reception of Mills’ work isn’t a COI. The book is a credential for speaking about its subject; and the book is a reference for it, because it’s the first such book, and still the only one. TStolper1W ( talk) 01:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello TStolper1W. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue that you may be involved with. You are free to comment at the discussion, but please remember to keep your comments within the bounds of the civility and " no personal attack" policies. Thank you. MastCell Talk 21:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
That’s an effective way of getting rid of a POV with which you and your allies don’t agree, Michael, and of letting others know that you and they have control of so visible an outlet as Wikipedia for your and their hostile POV in this matter. TStolper1W ( talk) 01:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Given your conflict of interest and difficulties editing this page within policy, I'm going to ask that you not edit the article Randell Mills directly. You may edit the article talk page and propose changes there, and seek WP:CONSENSUS for them. You may also solicit third opinions, outside comments, or assistance with unsourced or defamatory material via the usual channels. However, if you edit the page directly, you will be blocked. MastCell Talk 06:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Randell Mills, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Randell Mills. Thank you. -- BJBot ( talk) 10:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Tom, I would like to ask you to stop editing content on Hydrino theory in any way that can be considered controversial. I'm sure you know this material as well as anyone. However, the fact that you have written a biography on Randell Mills and, in theory at least, stand to profit by promoting him will inevitably taint your contributions. You've been asked to stop above and I tend to agree that you are not a dis-interested party here. Also, after reviewing the narrow range of your contributions, I'd encourage you to have a look at WP's policy on single-purpose accounts. Ronnotel ( talk) 23:57, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Ron, you're asking me to write only what Mills' opponents agree with. As for my paperback book, writing a book about something is a credential, not a COI. I've made my paperback study of the Mills episode available on Amazon free of royalty. It's my belief that the USA and the world have much to lose if Mills and his wide-ranging work aren't given a more favorable reception than they have so far been accorded. TStolper1W ( talk) 18:35, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Response to MastCell, whoever MastCell may be. Using the Wikipedia as a forum for one-sided attack on so fine a scientist as Mills is worse than inappropriate. TStolper1W ( talk) 16:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Indirect financial ties to this topic, Ron? Writing an extensively-documented paperback book about the reception of Mills' work has taken years of my life and cost me a small fortune. I have made that paperback study available on Amazon free of royalty. I don't own any stock in BlackLight Power, Inc., and never have, nor have I ever received any remuneration from BLP, so I don't think that I have any direct financial ties to this topic whatsoever. As for bias, I find the bias of people who vehemently push their hostile Point of View (PoV) that Mills is a pseudoscientist to be extreme bias, and the way in which they just delete favorable Points of View about Mills to be even more extreme. No pseudoscientist has ever been able to do all that Mills has done, including presentations at scientific meetings and the publication of dozens of peer-reviewed scientific articles over many years. TStolper1W ( talk) 14:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Response to Michael W. Busch (Michaelbusch). On your initiative, I was blocked from editing a different article, the article called “Randell Mills,” afterwards deleted from the Wikipedia by you and your allies. End this? Viewed in historical perspective, it has hardly begun. I may not live to see my judgment of Mills and his work vindicated, but you’re a lot younger than I am, so you will. Thomas E. Stolper. TStolper1W ( talk) 16:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Tom, I've filed a case at the COI notice board seeking guidance on whether your situation presents a COI. Ronnotel ( talk) 22:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello. To formalize some of the discussion on the WP:COI noticeboard, I'm going to restrict you to 1RR on the hydrino theory article. That means that you may edit it, and you may make 1 revert per 24-hour period. More than that will result in a block. If you're on the fence about whether an edit consitutes a "revert", don't make the edit and go to the talk page instead. If you make a proposed edit and it's reverted, you are encouraged to use the talk page rather than reverting even once. If you feel that you're being taken advantage of, then please consider soliciting outside opinions via WP:3O or WP:RfC. The 1RR will take effect at the end of the day (UTC) today; if you would like to dispute my action here, you may raise it at the admin's noticeboard for wider feedback - I ask only that you notify me if you intend to do so with a brief note on my talk page. MastCell Talk 20:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Please read and understand the policy on edit warring, and review your recent edits to Hydrino theory in that light. Please also consider the three-revert rule policy, which conveys that the hard revert limit (in your case on this issue, one) is a maximum, not an entitlement. You have been posting substantively the same text to this article almost once a day for over a week, and have been reverted by several editors. Clearly, the current consensus is that your favored version is in some way flawed. I will explain my reasons for my stance favoring the current version if you post a cogent explanation of your ideas for improving the article to the talk page. - Eldereft ~( s) talk~ 14:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
If there is an edit war at Hydrino theory, then I think that it is a war led and encouraged by Michaelbusch, and one aimed at imposing Michaelbusch’s extremely hostile point of view, if necessary by erasing and completely blocking a different point of view from the article. See the debate at WP:COIN. I hope Eldereft won’t join that campaign. For an explanation of my edits of the Hydrino theory article, see my edit summaries in the Revision History of that article. TStolper1W ( talk) 01:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC) The aforementioned debate at WP:COIN has now been archived. TStolper1W ( talk) 15:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)