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Hi there, I saw that you chimed in on some topics related to the current discussion on my talk page -- /info/en/?search=User_talk:Stonkaments#Tesla%2C_Inc. -- about editing the Tesla, Inc. article, and you seem to be a very experienced and knowledgeable member of the community. So I thought you might have some valuable insight as to the best way to proceed with edits, whether it's important to discuss all edits beforehand or if WP:BRD is better? I'd appreciate any feedback, thanks! Stonkaments ( talk) 18:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, Lklundin looks to be behind much of the edits. Thoughts on how to address? QRep2020 ( talk) 19:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
'Allo, me again. It was my understanding that a consensus on an issue under deliberation on a Talk page doesn't have to be unanimous, only "rough". Would you say that a rough consensus has been reached on the TSLAQ inclusion matter on Talk: Tesla, Inc.? Maybe I'm missing something despite having reviewed Wikipedia:Consensus, but it looks to me like there's three votes in favor of some sort of inclusion and only one opposed. QRep2020 ( talk) 16:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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I don't want to comment in the thread, but re: "I think a different label vs 'indef' might be helpful when looking at block logs", what do you think of "temporary block" that is actually the same thing as an indefinite block? Which to use would be up to the blocking admin, and the person would still have to appeal, but it would send the message that if you edit productively for enough time, you are likely to be unblocked. I can see this as being especially useful with partial blocks. Please consider proposing something like that. I can see no downside to giving another option to the blocking admin. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 14:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi there Springee, I'm bothering you because I've lately found myself agreeing with everything you say, and because you witnessed the recent Sashi ban supervote. I've been noticing that over the past 4 or 5 years, insistence that !votes are seen as monumentally different from a raw headcount, and that weighing arguments as they relate to PAGs was the only acceptable way to close any discussion, has been declining/nonexistant. I noted this on 1 June, (showing this present concern isn't related solely to any particular case or editor). However the Sashi incident is beyond the pale, with an admission that only numbers were considered. And because this is a flawed system, the ruling stands today and an editor is site-banned. My concern is that letting this slide marks a turning point at WP, where we as a community have officially accepted this new reading of the PAGs, which state:
Wikipedia operates on discussion-driven consensus, and can therefore be regarded as "not a democracy", because a vote might run counter to these ends. Some therefore advocate avoiding votes wherever possible. In general, only long-running disputes should be the subject of a poll. Even then, participants in the dispute should understand that the poll does not create a consensus. At best, it might reflect how close those involved are to one.
If indeed we are going to accept this new normal, the policies need to be amended to reflect this change -- so that editors can decide if they want to continue participating in this project. I've asked for advice on where to take this concern so that the community can weigh in, and was told ARCA is the way to go. But this doesn't involve a case finding, so I'm at a loss. I was hoping you or others would be able to help. I'm pinging some of the editors who also disagreed with the head-count close, for good measure: Levivich Rusf10 PackMecEng Pudeo SilkTork Atsme Humanengr
Personally, if this is the direction we're taking (Hey! Win any argument! All you need are numbers!)... I'm out. petrarchan47 คุ ก 19:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Petrarchan47, sorry, I've been meaning to respond to this for a while but the last few days I've gone to bed earlier than intended. I'm not sure things have or haven't changed much. Yes, often we go just by numbers but I think good RfC closings don't just look at the numbers. For example, this one [ [1]] was better in terms of looking at the arguments. Other times I think uninvolved number do matter. Consider this one from a while back [ [2]]. I didn't even recall that Guy closed it. Anyway, the logic was some decisions are more editorial based as they are either a gray area of policy or we have opposing policy requirements. In that example I think the close was spot on to cite numbers, "The numerical balance is clearly in favour of exclusion, but more to the point, the opinions of independent editors - those with the widest range of editing interests on Wikipedia - is most strongly against. This is an editorial judgment and not a policy matter, so breadth and depth of editorial experience is a significant factor." I think there are two cases where things tend to fall apart. One is on article talk pages when we have just the involved editors. In that case, especially if the discussion is rather partisan in nature, neither side is likely to give ground to the other so numbers are the only solid differentiator. Regrettably that can create a situation such as the one I faced here [ [3]]. A long time editor added clear SYNTH to the article. I removed it but it was restored by an admin. To the discredit of the admin they totally ignored BRD since this was new content added by editor A, I removed it as SYNTH, it was restored by the admin with out proper justification and with no answers to my objections on the talk page. Anyway, I was unable to make any headway on the talk page. Thus numbers were might. That raises my second point. If one editor is citing policy (correctly) and a clear majority/consensus of editors is ignoring that argument, who is right? In that particular case I posted to ORN and it was declared SYNTH. Anyway, I don't think things are quite as broken as all that but I do get your concern. I have no idea how to correct it. courtesy ping for Atsme. Springee ( talk) 13:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
...after discarding irrelevant arguments: those that flatly contradict established policy, those based on personal opinion only, those that are logically fallacious, and those that show no understanding of the matter of issue.
Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.It's not a vote per WP:CON and Voting
If one editor is citing policy (correctly) and a clear majority/consensus of editors is ignoring that argument, who is right?...policy. Always policy. Which leads to Atsme's 'policy cannot be overruled by consensus'. I do see it as rather black and white, while I acknowledge there is precedent for all sorts of closes. I'm wondering about the boiling frog scenario, and whether we're in it. petrarchan47 คุ ก 23:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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– Frood ( talk) 18:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Frood:, any thing in particular that caught your eye? I understand these are not specific accusations but it looks like my talk page was the only one you notified. I don't recall us crossing paths on any particular article. Did you see some edits that bothered you? I'm really asking more out of interest than anything. Springee ( talk) 18:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
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Atsme: I know this is over a month old but came across it saw something which I think could be confusing. In particular, the statement "if the editor had followed the instructions that come up in edit view whenever a DS Alert template is attempted, they should not have posted this AP2 alert
" seems to depend on what you mean by "follow the instructions". The instructions given by
Special:AbuseFilter/602 say "Search elsewhere (optional): in AE • in AE contribs
, so searching in AE or in AE contribs is optional. The only compulsory step is searching in the edit filter log and the user talk page. While I always search at AE, if a step is explicitly marked as optional it's IMO at a minimum confusing saying someone didn't follow the instructions just because they didn't do it.
I'm not certain why this step is optional but I suspect one possible reason is because while giving someone an alert when they have received one is explicitly said in both WP:ACDS page as well as in the edit filter as something that shouldn't be done, nothing suggests this extends to giving someone an alert when they are aware. While again, I don't know for sure why this is the case, I suspect in part it's reflective of the fact it's easy to miss the more unusual awareness criteria and expecting someone to check them all in every case is seen by some as unreasonable. (E.g. working out if someone successfully appealed a sanction in the last 12 months if it wasn't via AE.)
Even previous participation at AE could be difficult. I mean in Springee's case it looks like it was easy. But if someone very regularly participates at AE in the climate change area, and there are hundreds of recent contribs, searching through them all to find that one AP2 one seems a bit unreasonable. Toolforge can also be slow and I imagine even goes down at times when Wikipedia is working, while it's harder to search for recent contribs with the internal search and people's skills vary (again think about an extreme case e.g. if someone has many historic AP2 AE participation, finding that one recent one may be difficult).
IMO it's reasonable treat it that way. If someone has the aware template or was given an alert in the last 12 months, then anyone giving an alert is clearly in the wrong. If someone is aware because of AE participation and it's easy to find, then ideally this should have been picked up but if it's not that big of a deal. If someone is aware by some other means then again it would have been good if this was picked up but even more no biggie. Of course if the person giving the alert was aware the awareness criteria are met and decided to give an alert anyway simply because it wasn't clearly forbidden, then this is clearly disruptive.
Nil Einne ( talk) 09:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
You also should not issue alerts to editors who have posted a
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contentious topics:
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The latter clearly places the onus on the editor adding the alert. See the "DS Aware Notice" at the top of my UTP. It advises editors that I'm aware of every DS listed in the log, (I try to edit every article like it was subject to DS) so adding a DS Alert on my UTP is probably not something that was done innocently, unless of course the filter fails; regardless, we should always AGF even in the face of bullying-type instances or last warnings. If an editor chooses to pursue the alert as disruptive, blindingly so or not, the final decision is in the hands of the overseeing admin(s) and their particular POV; therefore, you may or may not be the benefactor of a reprieve (2 examples: potential POV creep, inadvertent or otherwise, that creates a boomerang, or it may simply be dismissed by an even-tempered admin). WP is fortunate in that the majority of editors we have granted the mop are unbiased, pragmatic thinkers with admirable critical thinking skills who are able to leave their biases at login, but unfortunately, we also have a small number of rather aggressive admins who do not quite fit that description, so we take the bad with the good, AGF and leave the rest to karma. And Nil, if you're of the mind, please feel free to attempt adding an AP2 Alert on my UTP and see what happens (we can simply delete it as a test edit if the filter fails but it will help to know). It should trigger a filter that pretty much lists everything on the DS list, but let me know if it doesn't work for you. If my memory serves, the filter will fail if you attempt to add it a 2nd time or something along that line. Happy editing! Atsme Talk 📧 17:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I have a high-resolution photo of the designer, Robert E. Eidschun, working on the full-size clay model of his early design of the Pinto in a studio at Ford. I also also have six high-resolution studio photos of the full-size clay model of the designer's final design, which went into production albeit with minor changes. I would like to provide these photos to whoever would care to incorporate them into the Wikipedia article about the Ford Pinto; it seems that Springee has contributed the most to that article in the recent past. I am the designer's son, Robert W. Eidschun. Please contact me at eidschun@yahoo.com, (585) 350-4105. I live in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eidschun ( talk • contribs) 02:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
As per my edit summary, I have modified your indentation here [7] to ensure it complies with MOS:INDENTMIX and therefore maximises accessibility while also not producing a significant visible difference with most set-ups. Although you are not the only person to mix indentation styles in that thread, I wanted to reply to Jayron32 but could not do so without either following you in mixing indentation styles, or making things worse by trying to go back to the old style (which would produce visual weirdness and I assume also not be any better for screen readers) or fixing your style. So I chose the last option. Nil Einne ( talk) 18:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
An article that been involved with ( Turning Point USA ) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article ( Charlie Kirk). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. MaximusEditor ( talk) 03:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey Springee, This is my first split so any comments regarding protocols would be appreciated. MaximusEditor ( talk) 03:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I'm curious if you have any input on the discussion here, or any advice on how to proceed? The other editors seem to be ignoring the consensus understanding shown in reliable secondary sources, and are focused on irrelevant distractions like demanding a "formal definition of what a founder is". Stonkaments ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
1RR doesn't apply to vandalism or sloppy edits by IPs. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 23:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I was looking at your post at AE and was wondering if you were referring to Jorm as an admin? [8] Because as far as I can tell they are not. PackMecEng ( talk) 16:21, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Please check talk:Dave_Rubin for my comments on our editing dispute. Cosmopolismetropolis ( talk) 10:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
You should understand that the editors removing the cleanup tag are the ones inappropriately edit-warring, not you. WP:CLEANUPTAGS are appropriate to indicate where material is challenged, under discussion, or subject to an RfC. Ideally the tag should remain as long as the RfC and discussion is ongoing. The purpose of such a tag is to draw attention to that discussion. I support re-insertion of the tag. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 13:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there, I saw that you chimed in on some topics related to the current discussion on my talk page -- /info/en/?search=User_talk:Stonkaments#Tesla%2C_Inc. -- about editing the Tesla, Inc. article, and you seem to be a very experienced and knowledgeable member of the community. So I thought you might have some valuable insight as to the best way to proceed with edits, whether it's important to discuss all edits beforehand or if WP:BRD is better? I'd appreciate any feedback, thanks! Stonkaments ( talk) 18:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, Lklundin looks to be behind much of the edits. Thoughts on how to address? QRep2020 ( talk) 19:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
'Allo, me again. It was my understanding that a consensus on an issue under deliberation on a Talk page doesn't have to be unanimous, only "rough". Would you say that a rough consensus has been reached on the TSLAQ inclusion matter on Talk: Tesla, Inc.? Maybe I'm missing something despite having reviewed Wikipedia:Consensus, but it looks to me like there's three votes in favor of some sort of inclusion and only one opposed. QRep2020 ( talk) 16:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
Please note, I am only doing this notification as required by AN, I am asking for a self-review of my actions related to the above and only because I've mentioned you I have to notify you to be legit, I am not asking for any AN action towards you or others. --
Masem (
t) 00:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
I don't want to comment in the thread, but re: "I think a different label vs 'indef' might be helpful when looking at block logs", what do you think of "temporary block" that is actually the same thing as an indefinite block? Which to use would be up to the blocking admin, and the person would still have to appeal, but it would send the message that if you edit productively for enough time, you are likely to be unblocked. I can see this as being especially useful with partial blocks. Please consider proposing something like that. I can see no downside to giving another option to the blocking admin. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 14:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi there Springee, I'm bothering you because I've lately found myself agreeing with everything you say, and because you witnessed the recent Sashi ban supervote. I've been noticing that over the past 4 or 5 years, insistence that !votes are seen as monumentally different from a raw headcount, and that weighing arguments as they relate to PAGs was the only acceptable way to close any discussion, has been declining/nonexistant. I noted this on 1 June, (showing this present concern isn't related solely to any particular case or editor). However the Sashi incident is beyond the pale, with an admission that only numbers were considered. And because this is a flawed system, the ruling stands today and an editor is site-banned. My concern is that letting this slide marks a turning point at WP, where we as a community have officially accepted this new reading of the PAGs, which state:
Wikipedia operates on discussion-driven consensus, and can therefore be regarded as "not a democracy", because a vote might run counter to these ends. Some therefore advocate avoiding votes wherever possible. In general, only long-running disputes should be the subject of a poll. Even then, participants in the dispute should understand that the poll does not create a consensus. At best, it might reflect how close those involved are to one.
If indeed we are going to accept this new normal, the policies need to be amended to reflect this change -- so that editors can decide if they want to continue participating in this project. I've asked for advice on where to take this concern so that the community can weigh in, and was told ARCA is the way to go. But this doesn't involve a case finding, so I'm at a loss. I was hoping you or others would be able to help. I'm pinging some of the editors who also disagreed with the head-count close, for good measure: Levivich Rusf10 PackMecEng Pudeo SilkTork Atsme Humanengr
Personally, if this is the direction we're taking (Hey! Win any argument! All you need are numbers!)... I'm out. petrarchan47 คุ ก 19:50, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Petrarchan47, sorry, I've been meaning to respond to this for a while but the last few days I've gone to bed earlier than intended. I'm not sure things have or haven't changed much. Yes, often we go just by numbers but I think good RfC closings don't just look at the numbers. For example, this one [ [1]] was better in terms of looking at the arguments. Other times I think uninvolved number do matter. Consider this one from a while back [ [2]]. I didn't even recall that Guy closed it. Anyway, the logic was some decisions are more editorial based as they are either a gray area of policy or we have opposing policy requirements. In that example I think the close was spot on to cite numbers, "The numerical balance is clearly in favour of exclusion, but more to the point, the opinions of independent editors - those with the widest range of editing interests on Wikipedia - is most strongly against. This is an editorial judgment and not a policy matter, so breadth and depth of editorial experience is a significant factor." I think there are two cases where things tend to fall apart. One is on article talk pages when we have just the involved editors. In that case, especially if the discussion is rather partisan in nature, neither side is likely to give ground to the other so numbers are the only solid differentiator. Regrettably that can create a situation such as the one I faced here [ [3]]. A long time editor added clear SYNTH to the article. I removed it but it was restored by an admin. To the discredit of the admin they totally ignored BRD since this was new content added by editor A, I removed it as SYNTH, it was restored by the admin with out proper justification and with no answers to my objections on the talk page. Anyway, I was unable to make any headway on the talk page. Thus numbers were might. That raises my second point. If one editor is citing policy (correctly) and a clear majority/consensus of editors is ignoring that argument, who is right? In that particular case I posted to ORN and it was declared SYNTH. Anyway, I don't think things are quite as broken as all that but I do get your concern. I have no idea how to correct it. courtesy ping for Atsme. Springee ( talk) 13:55, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
...after discarding irrelevant arguments: those that flatly contradict established policy, those based on personal opinion only, those that are logically fallacious, and those that show no understanding of the matter of issue.
Decision making and reaching consensus involve an effort to incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.It's not a vote per WP:CON and Voting
If one editor is citing policy (correctly) and a clear majority/consensus of editors is ignoring that argument, who is right?...policy. Always policy. Which leads to Atsme's 'policy cannot be overruled by consensus'. I do see it as rather black and white, while I acknowledge there is precedent for all sorts of closes. I'm wondering about the boiling frog scenario, and whether we're in it. petrarchan47 คุ ก 23:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
– Frood ( talk) 18:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Frood:, any thing in particular that caught your eye? I understand these are not specific accusations but it looks like my talk page was the only one you notified. I don't recall us crossing paths on any particular article. Did you see some edits that bothered you? I'm really asking more out of interest than anything. Springee ( talk) 18:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
@
Atsme: I know this is over a month old but came across it saw something which I think could be confusing. In particular, the statement "if the editor had followed the instructions that come up in edit view whenever a DS Alert template is attempted, they should not have posted this AP2 alert
" seems to depend on what you mean by "follow the instructions". The instructions given by
Special:AbuseFilter/602 say "Search elsewhere (optional): in AE • in AE contribs
, so searching in AE or in AE contribs is optional. The only compulsory step is searching in the edit filter log and the user talk page. While I always search at AE, if a step is explicitly marked as optional it's IMO at a minimum confusing saying someone didn't follow the instructions just because they didn't do it.
I'm not certain why this step is optional but I suspect one possible reason is because while giving someone an alert when they have received one is explicitly said in both WP:ACDS page as well as in the edit filter as something that shouldn't be done, nothing suggests this extends to giving someone an alert when they are aware. While again, I don't know for sure why this is the case, I suspect in part it's reflective of the fact it's easy to miss the more unusual awareness criteria and expecting someone to check them all in every case is seen by some as unreasonable. (E.g. working out if someone successfully appealed a sanction in the last 12 months if it wasn't via AE.)
Even previous participation at AE could be difficult. I mean in Springee's case it looks like it was easy. But if someone very regularly participates at AE in the climate change area, and there are hundreds of recent contribs, searching through them all to find that one AP2 one seems a bit unreasonable. Toolforge can also be slow and I imagine even goes down at times when Wikipedia is working, while it's harder to search for recent contribs with the internal search and people's skills vary (again think about an extreme case e.g. if someone has many historic AP2 AE participation, finding that one recent one may be difficult).
IMO it's reasonable treat it that way. If someone has the aware template or was given an alert in the last 12 months, then anyone giving an alert is clearly in the wrong. If someone is aware because of AE participation and it's easy to find, then ideally this should have been picked up but if it's not that big of a deal. If someone is aware by some other means then again it would have been good if this was picked up but even more no biggie. Of course if the person giving the alert was aware the awareness criteria are met and decided to give an alert anyway simply because it wasn't clearly forbidden, then this is clearly disruptive.
Nil Einne ( talk) 09:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
You also should not issue alerts to editors who have posted a
![]() | This user is aware of the designation of the following topics as
contentious topics:
|
The latter clearly places the onus on the editor adding the alert. See the "DS Aware Notice" at the top of my UTP. It advises editors that I'm aware of every DS listed in the log, (I try to edit every article like it was subject to DS) so adding a DS Alert on my UTP is probably not something that was done innocently, unless of course the filter fails; regardless, we should always AGF even in the face of bullying-type instances or last warnings. If an editor chooses to pursue the alert as disruptive, blindingly so or not, the final decision is in the hands of the overseeing admin(s) and their particular POV; therefore, you may or may not be the benefactor of a reprieve (2 examples: potential POV creep, inadvertent or otherwise, that creates a boomerang, or it may simply be dismissed by an even-tempered admin). WP is fortunate in that the majority of editors we have granted the mop are unbiased, pragmatic thinkers with admirable critical thinking skills who are able to leave their biases at login, but unfortunately, we also have a small number of rather aggressive admins who do not quite fit that description, so we take the bad with the good, AGF and leave the rest to karma. And Nil, if you're of the mind, please feel free to attempt adding an AP2 Alert on my UTP and see what happens (we can simply delete it as a test edit if the filter fails but it will help to know). It should trigger a filter that pretty much lists everything on the DS list, but let me know if it doesn't work for you. If my memory serves, the filter will fail if you attempt to add it a 2nd time or something along that line. Happy editing! Atsme Talk 📧 17:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I have a high-resolution photo of the designer, Robert E. Eidschun, working on the full-size clay model of his early design of the Pinto in a studio at Ford. I also also have six high-resolution studio photos of the full-size clay model of the designer's final design, which went into production albeit with minor changes. I would like to provide these photos to whoever would care to incorporate them into the Wikipedia article about the Ford Pinto; it seems that Springee has contributed the most to that article in the recent past. I am the designer's son, Robert W. Eidschun. Please contact me at eidschun@yahoo.com, (585) 350-4105. I live in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eidschun ( talk • contribs) 02:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
As per my edit summary, I have modified your indentation here [7] to ensure it complies with MOS:INDENTMIX and therefore maximises accessibility while also not producing a significant visible difference with most set-ups. Although you are not the only person to mix indentation styles in that thread, I wanted to reply to Jayron32 but could not do so without either following you in mixing indentation styles, or making things worse by trying to go back to the old style (which would produce visual weirdness and I assume also not be any better for screen readers) or fixing your style. So I chose the last option. Nil Einne ( talk) 18:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
An article that been involved with ( Turning Point USA ) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article ( Charlie Kirk). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. MaximusEditor ( talk) 03:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey Springee, This is my first split so any comments regarding protocols would be appreciated. MaximusEditor ( talk) 03:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I'm curious if you have any input on the discussion here, or any advice on how to proceed? The other editors seem to be ignoring the consensus understanding shown in reliable secondary sources, and are focused on irrelevant distractions like demanding a "formal definition of what a founder is". Stonkaments ( talk) 23:26, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
1RR doesn't apply to vandalism or sloppy edits by IPs. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 23:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I was looking at your post at AE and was wondering if you were referring to Jorm as an admin? [8] Because as far as I can tell they are not. PackMecEng ( talk) 16:21, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Please check talk:Dave_Rubin for my comments on our editing dispute. Cosmopolismetropolis ( talk) 10:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
You should understand that the editors removing the cleanup tag are the ones inappropriately edit-warring, not you. WP:CLEANUPTAGS are appropriate to indicate where material is challenged, under discussion, or subject to an RfC. Ideally the tag should remain as long as the RfC and discussion is ongoing. The purpose of such a tag is to draw attention to that discussion. I support re-insertion of the tag. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 13:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has accepted and opened the Flyer22 and WanderingWanda case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 30, which is when the evidence phase is scheduled to close. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda/Workshop, which closes January 13, 2020. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. To opt out of future mailings please see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Flyer22 and WanderingWanda/Notification list. For the Arbitration Committee, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) via MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 09:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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