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I get offended when editors go around maliciously vandalizing Wikipedia, sorry for that.
Mhhossein has proposed deletion of at least three Islamic state related article, claiming they are all promotional and do not meet general notability .other editors have pointed out to him that none of the articles are written in a promotional tone and that they all meet the general notability criteria.
when I see behaviour that can only be explained by a conflict of interest due to the editors religious beliefs, I have to point it out. i dont appreciate you reverting my entirely legitimate criticism of another editor. Smith1122 ( talk) 10:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- The "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant-Somali Province" and the Bangladesh one can simply be included in the article ISIL territorial claims, there's no need to start a new one that's not even notable. And stop calling other users Iranian Shia. Editor abcdef ( talk) 10:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- Smith1122, on WP we have a policy of no personal attacks, which sort of means "Comment on content, not on the contributor", so its best to not discuss a persons editing as a function of their presumed or stated personal beliefs. We also have a WP:conflict of interest/Noticeboard if you really think there is a problem. I hope this is of some help. Regards, -- 220 of Borg 11:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
No, it can't. There is good content on both of those pages, which warrants its own article. And as IS expands in Somalia and Bangladesh, there will be more and more content to fill the page with. There is already lots more content that could be added to flesh the pages out, by an editor who wanted to improve wikipedia rather than damage it. But he hasn't only proposed deleting that article, he has proposed deletion of at least two other articles related to IS, without any valid reason.
PS: jumping to the other articles and just putting the same 'delete' message, apparently because we had a dispute is not especially mature or constructive. it doesnt appear you thought for a second about the validity of your assertions
He is an Iranian Shia, he is very proud of that clearly, from looking at his user page. When that is a factor in what I view as his malicious vandalism, I will point it out. Wikipedia has policies on bias and advocacy (and its reverse).
- Stop repeating your accusations please and avoid commenting on the editors. Instead you have to restrict yourself to commenting on the content. This is the third caution. As you know, WP:ANI is the place where such repeated behaviors are addressed. If you think the articles deserve to be kept, OK! do best and find reliable sources and try to keep them. Mhhossein ( talk) 11:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- Per WP:WIAPA, making ad hominem comments such as what you repeatedly did is considered personal attack and may lead to "sanctions including blocks." Mhhossein ( talk) 11:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
its easy for you to cry 'personal attack', by the fact you haven't been banned I can see you are good at it. I commented on the content on each page and here too. I pointed out that you are claiming lack of notability and promotion when there obviously isn't an issue there. Certainly not to the extent of proposing deletions.
calling you iranian shia is not an ad hominem or a personal attack, it is merely the apparent grounds for your malicious behaviour
instead of addressing the allegation of bias and conflict of interest, you are crying 'personal attack' Smith1122 ( talk) 12:36, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I mean just for fun, I've been looking at your vandalism of wikipedia articles with your pro-shia bias and promotion of shia terror groups
On 8 July, you deleted a large amount of content criticising the Basij, and then blanked the entire page as 'copyright violation' this is clear vandalism and an attempt to suppress and censor critical views of the Basij, the iranian paramilitary org. I mean, I have to wonder, are you/were you a member of the Basij?? Mostly likely
you wrote the: Organization for the Islamic Revolution in the Arabian Peninsula: page with an entirely promotional stance on a radical shia group
on the:Quds day: article you removed a piece of criticism, properly sourced, just because you didnt like it and then engaged in edit warring
you've done dozens of edits to:Saudi-led intervention in Bahrain: to support your slanted viewpoint
futher on your edits on Morteza Avini, another editor, Wuerzele, removef your peacock promotion of khomeini as 'charismatic' and there were many other issues with you using promotional language and editorialising the article
I actually think you are probably paid to do this by the Iranian government You have dozens of edits every single day, whereas normal people have jobs and other activities. Smith1122 ( talk) 13:11, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Please stop accusing other editors and try to build the encyclopedia. Continuing this pattern of behavior may lead to sanctions such as blocks. -- Mhhossein ( talk) 05:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Don't accuse other editors and avoid making more ad hominem comments and personal attacks, please.
its pretty sad how you didnt even bother to respond to me pointing out 5 incidents of your bias and damage to the wiki, but just cried 'ad hominem' and 'personal attack' again. how about you try to justify and explain the damage you did to those five pages?
- I'm not bound to reply your baseless and bizarre accusations. Anyway, FYI Organization for the Islamic Revolution in the Arabian Peninsula is created by User:MrPenguin20 on December 29, 2013. My edits there were just some nearly minor ones! -- Mhhossein ( talk) 07:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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you are harrasing me by following my articles and deleting them, both those events were clearly notable enough to have their own individual pages, you are trying to censor wikipedia
- One or two sentences are not "notable enough". Civilian casulties from airstrikes during a battle are usually listed under the article for the battle itself unless you can greatly expand it. Editor abcdef ( talk) 00:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
not true, there is a precedent for articles about airstrikes when they civilian casualty toll is in double figures you are censoring wikipedia because you have a grudge against me, what a great wikipedian you are, NOT
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I get offended when editors go around maliciously vandalizing Wikipedia, sorry for that.
Mhhossein has proposed deletion of at least three Islamic state related article, claiming they are all promotional and do not meet general notability .other editors have pointed out to him that none of the articles are written in a promotional tone and that they all meet the general notability criteria.
when I see behaviour that can only be explained by a conflict of interest due to the editors religious beliefs, I have to point it out. i dont appreciate you reverting my entirely legitimate criticism of another editor. Smith1122 ( talk) 10:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- The "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant-Somali Province" and the Bangladesh one can simply be included in the article ISIL territorial claims, there's no need to start a new one that's not even notable. And stop calling other users Iranian Shia. Editor abcdef ( talk) 10:55, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- Smith1122, on WP we have a policy of no personal attacks, which sort of means "Comment on content, not on the contributor", so its best to not discuss a persons editing as a function of their presumed or stated personal beliefs. We also have a WP:conflict of interest/Noticeboard if you really think there is a problem. I hope this is of some help. Regards, -- 220 of Borg 11:15, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
No, it can't. There is good content on both of those pages, which warrants its own article. And as IS expands in Somalia and Bangladesh, there will be more and more content to fill the page with. There is already lots more content that could be added to flesh the pages out, by an editor who wanted to improve wikipedia rather than damage it. But he hasn't only proposed deleting that article, he has proposed deletion of at least two other articles related to IS, without any valid reason.
PS: jumping to the other articles and just putting the same 'delete' message, apparently because we had a dispute is not especially mature or constructive. it doesnt appear you thought for a second about the validity of your assertions
He is an Iranian Shia, he is very proud of that clearly, from looking at his user page. When that is a factor in what I view as his malicious vandalism, I will point it out. Wikipedia has policies on bias and advocacy (and its reverse).
- Stop repeating your accusations please and avoid commenting on the editors. Instead you have to restrict yourself to commenting on the content. This is the third caution. As you know, WP:ANI is the place where such repeated behaviors are addressed. If you think the articles deserve to be kept, OK! do best and find reliable sources and try to keep them. Mhhossein ( talk) 11:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
- Per WP:WIAPA, making ad hominem comments such as what you repeatedly did is considered personal attack and may lead to "sanctions including blocks." Mhhossein ( talk) 11:50, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
its easy for you to cry 'personal attack', by the fact you haven't been banned I can see you are good at it. I commented on the content on each page and here too. I pointed out that you are claiming lack of notability and promotion when there obviously isn't an issue there. Certainly not to the extent of proposing deletions.
calling you iranian shia is not an ad hominem or a personal attack, it is merely the apparent grounds for your malicious behaviour
instead of addressing the allegation of bias and conflict of interest, you are crying 'personal attack' Smith1122 ( talk) 12:36, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
I mean just for fun, I've been looking at your vandalism of wikipedia articles with your pro-shia bias and promotion of shia terror groups
On 8 July, you deleted a large amount of content criticising the Basij, and then blanked the entire page as 'copyright violation' this is clear vandalism and an attempt to suppress and censor critical views of the Basij, the iranian paramilitary org. I mean, I have to wonder, are you/were you a member of the Basij?? Mostly likely
you wrote the: Organization for the Islamic Revolution in the Arabian Peninsula: page with an entirely promotional stance on a radical shia group
on the:Quds day: article you removed a piece of criticism, properly sourced, just because you didnt like it and then engaged in edit warring
you've done dozens of edits to:Saudi-led intervention in Bahrain: to support your slanted viewpoint
futher on your edits on Morteza Avini, another editor, Wuerzele, removef your peacock promotion of khomeini as 'charismatic' and there were many other issues with you using promotional language and editorialising the article
I actually think you are probably paid to do this by the Iranian government You have dozens of edits every single day, whereas normal people have jobs and other activities. Smith1122 ( talk) 13:11, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Please stop accusing other editors and try to build the encyclopedia. Continuing this pattern of behavior may lead to sanctions such as blocks. -- Mhhossein ( talk) 05:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)Don't accuse other editors and avoid making more ad hominem comments and personal attacks, please.
its pretty sad how you didnt even bother to respond to me pointing out 5 incidents of your bias and damage to the wiki, but just cried 'ad hominem' and 'personal attack' again. how about you try to justify and explain the damage you did to those five pages?
- I'm not bound to reply your baseless and bizarre accusations. Anyway, FYI Organization for the Islamic Revolution in the Arabian Peninsula is created by User:MrPenguin20 on December 29, 2013. My edits there were just some nearly minor ones! -- Mhhossein ( talk) 07:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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you didnt remove anything from the page, you barely changed it, so there is obviously no copyright issue
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you are harrasing me by following my articles and deleting them, both those events were clearly notable enough to have their own individual pages, you are trying to censor wikipedia
- One or two sentences are not "notable enough". Civilian casulties from airstrikes during a battle are usually listed under the article for the battle itself unless you can greatly expand it. Editor abcdef ( talk) 00:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
not true, there is a precedent for articles about airstrikes when they civilian casualty toll is in double figures you are censoring wikipedia because you have a grudge against me, what a great wikipedian you are, NOT
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