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Hello, you reversed this edit, apparently (judging from your edit summary) because you think that I think that sǂuqan is an English word. I do not. My point is that English is a disambiguation page and not an article. I am removing the link on the rationale that (1) I'm fairly certain that you or whoever added the link did not intend to link to a disambiguation page, and (2) most readers of Wikipedia in English don't want the specific information that English language provides. If you disagree and think that readers of Slocan, British Columbia need more information about the English language, you may be interested to use the templates {{ IPAc-en}} (for formatting International Phonetic Alphabet renditions of English words, including proper nouns) and {{ Lang-en}} (to specify that a word is English; but see the documentation for that one, which recommends against linking to English language in most cases). Happy editing, Cnilep ( talk) 07:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I have already posted this in several other places, but apparently I need to post it here too: Please bear with me while I split Category:Bantu people per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 24#Category:Bantu people. If you have any concerns about my edits, please discuss with me rather than revert. It is a heck of a job and trying to figure it all out while someone else is reverting me is more than my brain can handle. Helen Online 07:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I repeat, there was no need for that CfD, as I pointed out (and was ignored and/or patronized) and it went on even after I called for just using the redlinked title available, since some anal interpretation of the "rules" ("there are not rules") was touted that the plain-jane Category:Bantu was backwards, and not meant for the ethnic group(s). So go scold someone else, and enjoy cleaning up the mess of the African categories and their confusing "FOO people" titles, I've washed my hands of it; for all the energy you put into defending the CfD so that procedural delay and time consumption could continue, to an inevitable conclusion as to where it is now, could have been spent doing all the category changes that you are now free to enjoy; or you could have realized the obvious COMMONSENSE of un-dabbing the "people" cat to Bantu, instead of getting hysterical about it and scolded me for "sabotaging" the CfD. You seem to have had no problem at all with the sabotage of ethnic titles and categories that preceded all this, or the sabotage of my posts and moves that went on endlessly and has gone on for a couple of years now from the same quarter. I tire of this; your CfD was a [expletive deleted] waste of time, and your whining to me here about me "sabotaging" it just more of the stupid same. And don't talk to me about unCIVIL for talking like that; you're the one who treated me as a criminal for violating a pointless CfD I didn't even know was going on, and accused me of SABOTAGING IT. That's AGF in the extreme, and inherently NPA, and I'm bored with this shit Skookum1 ( talk) 16:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
You were very wrong in moving Stanley Park arbitrarily and without discussion; PRIMARYTOPIC=NODISAMBIG was established long ago. Central Park is another example of a best-known park by that name being undisambiguated; your undiscussed move I'm not in the mood to submit to the bearpit known as WP:Requested moves and will find an admin to correct you; after that reversion of your BOLD move, you can file an RM. I'd have reverted it myself it you hadn't made a further edit; but have redirected the main PRIMARYTOPIC title back to the Vancouver item. And , you're where again? Never mind, I already looked.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Any idea where the File Hills Qu'Appelle Tribal Council fits in to our articles? -- Djembayz ( talk) 19:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand the distinction, and I think that such articles are victim of "scope bleed" a fair bit, because an editor may not really understand the division. What I put there is actually work on the language that the organisation itself has been deeply involved in (creating a radio station, contracting a linguist to produce greatly-improved linguistic materials). However, you may think I should be clearer on that, or that they don't really belong at all. If so, cool. I'd be happy to see your improvement, and I imagine I will probably agree with it. AshleyMorton ( talk) 06:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I looked at your edit; we need a citation for that, and I can't add much until I see the citation....and someone will eventually add a "citation needed" tag without it. It should be made clear that it's a program of the Nuxalk Nation government; I'm pretty sure that the language is available in the provincial school system curriculum there, not sure that's on the language page or not. Skookum1 ( talk) 10:20, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Please don't badger each person who disagrees with you. It's pointy and makes you look like an ass, undercutting any constructive argument you may have made Calidum Talk To Me 16:06, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. Sorry for the confusion. Yes, WP:ENGVAR is the only guideline that applies. In this case, however, it does appear that UK English is the pre-existing variant. I appear to have erred in this case.
The problem was instigated by a user who, in flagrant violation of WP:ENGVAR, unilaterally converted over 100 pages to UK English via script (see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blanket_changes_of_English_variants_in_violation_of_WP:ENGVAR). Because of the immensity of the mess he made, in cleaning up behind him it's difficult to give thorough scrutiny to each page and tell which of the pages were actually in UK English to begin with. Again, sorry for any trouble this caused. Oreo Priest talk 08:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Why would it be a COI at all? Just because I've admittedly voted NDP a few times doesn't mean I wouldn't be allowed to comment on a deliberation between two completely neutral variations on the title — I didn't comment on it because I didn't know it was happening, that's all. But, to be honest, I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Bearcat ( talk) 21:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
hi Skookum, please include Lionel Samuels to your list of artists. He has been recognized by Greg Sharf of the Smithsonian as being a master artist in argillite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice williamsen ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 28 July 2014
Hey Skookum1, this is just curiosity, in what circumstances would you write a definite article before someone's name as you did in "the Marcocapelle" yesterday? Btw you're right, I'm not a native speaker, so I don't feel embarrassed checking this out. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I refactored two of your edits to Talk:Canadian English/Archive 4#Fix this Article in an attempt to keep the threading and indenting clear. Please undo them if that's not what you want. Meters ( talk) 18:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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Just to avoid confusion ... I didn't intend that recent thanks, a touchscreen accident. Pam D 05:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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Skookum1, one of many distinctive patterns in your complaints is that you omit to provide links so that other people can see what you are talking about.
Category_talk:Chinook_Jargon_place_names#post-CfD_attempt_to_empty_the_category is a current example.
Another example is Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_2#Category:Chinook_Jargon_place_names where you referred to a recent CfD on Category:Chinook Jargon as "peremptory and shallow as a nomination and a close". I see from the deletion log that this was deleted in 2012 under WP:G5; is that what you were talking about? Hardly recent, perhaps peremptory but it's consistently applied as policy, and there was no nomination or close. Dexdor went hunting and suggested this recent CfD, on a different category and which hardly seems to give rise to the complaints that you made. You did not have the good manners even to state whether that was the one you were complaining about.
The reason that I am raising is is to plead with you to give links for what you are talking about. Failing to do so is one of several tactics that make you consistently less persuasive than you could be.
If I have to go hunting back through your contribs or those of someone else before I have a clue what you are on about, chances are that either (i) I won't bother, or (ii) I will start but lose interest.
Make it easier on yourself, please. Give evidence. – Fayenatic L ondon 08:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh but this is hilarious. So this is a common tactic you employ in your "debates" is it Skookum? Spout nonsense and codswallop and then claim that these "facts" are well enough known that you don't need to provide any evidence to back you up? Wow, amazing. I'm actually quite glad that it isn't just me calling you out on this. Pyrop e 16:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I just got up as I couldn't sleep, and have a lesson with my student commencing shortly. Please stop hectoring me about finding the link you want in a right-away fashion. You're not the only bee in the hive, and I find comments like "I'd like to help you become a respected one as well" patronizing and somewhat offensive. As are the various comments from others denouncing my writing style and "tone", while their own leave much to be desired. I'm already a respected editor; not to those who want every little detail to be linked, or who can't read more than seven sentences at once without freaking out. There's a lot of time-wasting inanity in Wikipedia discussions, often discussions about picayune matters by people who dn't work on teh actual articles themselves; and seem to spend all their time on discussion boards looking for things to delete or people to attack. As for the troll who has persistently harassed me here in course of this discussion, see his "rants" on teh mine disaster article, and also note my even-toned reply to the professional consultant there who is at least working on the article and not bitching about its title, despite his hasty POVish deletion of a cite needed item which was only days old. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your Teahouse post from yesterday, felt the need to respond, and wasn't entirely comfortable doing it in "public" (I know this isn't really private, but you know what I mean).
I am very sorry to hear about your friend, and I hope I never have to go through something like that.
Wikipedia conflicts are hard enough on one's sanity without the added burden you are carrying now. If I were in your place, I think I'd be spending a lot of my time at the park and none at Wikipedia. See WP:WIKIBREAK. If you're taking Wikipedia into your sleep with you, it's a sure sign you need to change something for your own well-being—and I mean something more than the situation you're having with that article.
Someone else can protect the integrity of that article, if not now, then at some point in the future. Or, if not, it wouldn't be the first article that violates NPOV for a long time. Wikipedia is full of them.
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Whatever happened to MidniteWiki...deleted or discontinued? My main thing with coming to the Teahouse was wanting to avoid the formal procedures, which incur engaging the person I need to disengage from; se my talkpage history for the four or so times I reverted his campaign of accusation; his original one, which is highly NPA/AGF, remains; apparently he doesn't get any message at all, and is hear to beat the drums of enviro-war only. I've seen the same from the "other side(s)" i BC politics...in fact my first block ever, by User:Zoe in the way back when, came about from the admin who blocked me misreading what I'd said and though I'd been threatened, physically or legally, or whatever, instead of what she had blocked me for, i.e. "uttering legal threats"....even once I explained that, rather than apologize she unblocked me with a comment something like now that I had made a retraction etc...but there was nothing to retract...I seem to recall it had to do with Sinixt articles; another area where POV infowar was raging only last year, tiresomely so. Try and be neutral, you're everyone's enemy. See on my maxims, "Truth is not a POV, it is the truth". Skookum1 ( talk) 06:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I recently discovered that you have to leave a notice to stay off your talk page on the other user's talk page. Meters ( talk) 01:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
For the record, surgery and hormones are irrelevant to the matter of gender identity — if a person who was born "male" identifies as female or vice versa, then they're whatever they identify as being regardless of whether they've had the surgery or begun hormone treatment or not; medical intervention is not a precondition of the process. (For instance, a transgender person who lived and died before surgery and hormone treatment were actually options at all, but did whatever they could to live as their internal gender identity within whatever resources existed in their time to do so, is still transgender.) The moment they say that's what they are, then that's what they are, period.
And what sources say is irrelevant too, as even today you can still find sources that insist on gendering Laverne Cox as male (I just read one less than two weeks ago) on the grounds that transgender is a fundamentally illegitimate phenomenon in the first place. But that can't hold, because the phenomenon does exist and is recognized by medical science as being a real thing — so medical science takes precedence over individual people's personal disinclinations to accept the way it works. So the question when it comes to gender isn't whether external sources identified Kauxuma Nupika as being male or female, but whether Kauxuma Nupika identified themself as being male or female — and while I'm not an expert in the matter, the burden of evidence clearly seems to support "male" as Kauxuma Nupika's own gender self-identification.
That said, if you have an issue you're going to need to take it up with somebody who's been involved in in any debate about Nupika's gender, because I've literally never even touched the article in my life except for some category refinement. Bearcat ( talk) 20:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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I don't know what's going on, but PLEASE let me not start a fourth line on top of my talk, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to lie, you do strike me as a little angry at times for reasons I don't understand (and I say this as as a male who when pushed can be very aggressive), but aside from some minor referencing formatting issues, I've never thought you're anything other than a valuable editor. You've done a tremendous amount of good work on British Columbia topics and if you're serious about retiring long term I'll really miss you. I understand how annoying wiki can be at times so hopefully things will blow over but it might take time. We can't afford to lose productive editors like you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for tweaking those coordinates Skookum, much appreciated. Not sure why they were originally targeting Vancouver Island. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 11:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey Skookum
The Boya Lake Provincial Park article says the park (and I guess the lake) are named after an "Indian from the area," which you took from BC Geographical Names db. I just changed Indian to First Nations because I can't figure out his specific community. Any google searches for "Boya Lake" and "Charlie Boya" yield that same BCGN quote. I found, however, a Kwadacha guy named Charlie Boya had a cabin way up near Terminus Mountain, not too far from Boya Lake, both of which are between Kwadacha/Fort Ware and Lower Post. [1] Do you think he's the Boya the lake was named after? Any other sources you might consult? Thanks. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 07:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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Arrow Lakes Band and
Arrow Lakes Tribe when I referred back to
Arrow Lakes. There was method to my madness.
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The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Indigenous Peoples of North America for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot ( talk) 22:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Hey Skookum1, you have a user email waiting with instructions on how to get access to BNA via the Wikipedia Library Partnership, Sadads ( talk) 16:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello, you reversed this edit, apparently (judging from your edit summary) because you think that I think that sǂuqan is an English word. I do not. My point is that English is a disambiguation page and not an article. I am removing the link on the rationale that (1) I'm fairly certain that you or whoever added the link did not intend to link to a disambiguation page, and (2) most readers of Wikipedia in English don't want the specific information that English language provides. If you disagree and think that readers of Slocan, British Columbia need more information about the English language, you may be interested to use the templates {{ IPAc-en}} (for formatting International Phonetic Alphabet renditions of English words, including proper nouns) and {{ Lang-en}} (to specify that a word is English; but see the documentation for that one, which recommends against linking to English language in most cases). Happy editing, Cnilep ( talk) 07:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I have already posted this in several other places, but apparently I need to post it here too: Please bear with me while I split Category:Bantu people per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 May 24#Category:Bantu people. If you have any concerns about my edits, please discuss with me rather than revert. It is a heck of a job and trying to figure it all out while someone else is reverting me is more than my brain can handle. Helen Online 07:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I repeat, there was no need for that CfD, as I pointed out (and was ignored and/or patronized) and it went on even after I called for just using the redlinked title available, since some anal interpretation of the "rules" ("there are not rules") was touted that the plain-jane Category:Bantu was backwards, and not meant for the ethnic group(s). So go scold someone else, and enjoy cleaning up the mess of the African categories and their confusing "FOO people" titles, I've washed my hands of it; for all the energy you put into defending the CfD so that procedural delay and time consumption could continue, to an inevitable conclusion as to where it is now, could have been spent doing all the category changes that you are now free to enjoy; or you could have realized the obvious COMMONSENSE of un-dabbing the "people" cat to Bantu, instead of getting hysterical about it and scolded me for "sabotaging" the CfD. You seem to have had no problem at all with the sabotage of ethnic titles and categories that preceded all this, or the sabotage of my posts and moves that went on endlessly and has gone on for a couple of years now from the same quarter. I tire of this; your CfD was a [expletive deleted] waste of time, and your whining to me here about me "sabotaging" it just more of the stupid same. And don't talk to me about unCIVIL for talking like that; you're the one who treated me as a criminal for violating a pointless CfD I didn't even know was going on, and accused me of SABOTAGING IT. That's AGF in the extreme, and inherently NPA, and I'm bored with this shit Skookum1 ( talk) 16:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
You were very wrong in moving Stanley Park arbitrarily and without discussion; PRIMARYTOPIC=NODISAMBIG was established long ago. Central Park is another example of a best-known park by that name being undisambiguated; your undiscussed move I'm not in the mood to submit to the bearpit known as WP:Requested moves and will find an admin to correct you; after that reversion of your BOLD move, you can file an RM. I'd have reverted it myself it you hadn't made a further edit; but have redirected the main PRIMARYTOPIC title back to the Vancouver item. And , you're where again? Never mind, I already looked.... Skookum1 ( talk) 14:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Any idea where the File Hills Qu'Appelle Tribal Council fits in to our articles? -- Djembayz ( talk) 19:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I understand the distinction, and I think that such articles are victim of "scope bleed" a fair bit, because an editor may not really understand the division. What I put there is actually work on the language that the organisation itself has been deeply involved in (creating a radio station, contracting a linguist to produce greatly-improved linguistic materials). However, you may think I should be clearer on that, or that they don't really belong at all. If so, cool. I'd be happy to see your improvement, and I imagine I will probably agree with it. AshleyMorton ( talk) 06:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I looked at your edit; we need a citation for that, and I can't add much until I see the citation....and someone will eventually add a "citation needed" tag without it. It should be made clear that it's a program of the Nuxalk Nation government; I'm pretty sure that the language is available in the provincial school system curriculum there, not sure that's on the language page or not. Skookum1 ( talk) 10:20, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Please don't badger each person who disagrees with you. It's pointy and makes you look like an ass, undercutting any constructive argument you may have made Calidum Talk To Me 16:06, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. Sorry for the confusion. Yes, WP:ENGVAR is the only guideline that applies. In this case, however, it does appear that UK English is the pre-existing variant. I appear to have erred in this case.
The problem was instigated by a user who, in flagrant violation of WP:ENGVAR, unilaterally converted over 100 pages to UK English via script (see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blanket_changes_of_English_variants_in_violation_of_WP:ENGVAR). Because of the immensity of the mess he made, in cleaning up behind him it's difficult to give thorough scrutiny to each page and tell which of the pages were actually in UK English to begin with. Again, sorry for any trouble this caused. Oreo Priest talk 08:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Why would it be a COI at all? Just because I've admittedly voted NDP a few times doesn't mean I wouldn't be allowed to comment on a deliberation between two completely neutral variations on the title — I didn't comment on it because I didn't know it was happening, that's all. But, to be honest, I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Bearcat ( talk) 21:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
hi Skookum, please include Lionel Samuels to your list of artists. He has been recognized by Greg Sharf of the Smithsonian as being a master artist in argillite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alice williamsen ( talk • contribs) 00:53, 28 July 2014
Hey Skookum1, this is just curiosity, in what circumstances would you write a definite article before someone's name as you did in "the Marcocapelle" yesterday? Btw you're right, I'm not a native speaker, so I don't feel embarrassed checking this out. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I refactored two of your edits to Talk:Canadian English/Archive 4#Fix this Article in an attempt to keep the threading and indenting clear. Please undo them if that's not what you want. Meters ( talk) 18:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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Skookum1, one of many distinctive patterns in your complaints is that you omit to provide links so that other people can see what you are talking about.
Category_talk:Chinook_Jargon_place_names#post-CfD_attempt_to_empty_the_category is a current example.
Another example is Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_2#Category:Chinook_Jargon_place_names where you referred to a recent CfD on Category:Chinook Jargon as "peremptory and shallow as a nomination and a close". I see from the deletion log that this was deleted in 2012 under WP:G5; is that what you were talking about? Hardly recent, perhaps peremptory but it's consistently applied as policy, and there was no nomination or close. Dexdor went hunting and suggested this recent CfD, on a different category and which hardly seems to give rise to the complaints that you made. You did not have the good manners even to state whether that was the one you were complaining about.
The reason that I am raising is is to plead with you to give links for what you are talking about. Failing to do so is one of several tactics that make you consistently less persuasive than you could be.
If I have to go hunting back through your contribs or those of someone else before I have a clue what you are on about, chances are that either (i) I won't bother, or (ii) I will start but lose interest.
Make it easier on yourself, please. Give evidence. – Fayenatic L ondon 08:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh but this is hilarious. So this is a common tactic you employ in your "debates" is it Skookum? Spout nonsense and codswallop and then claim that these "facts" are well enough known that you don't need to provide any evidence to back you up? Wow, amazing. I'm actually quite glad that it isn't just me calling you out on this. Pyrop e 16:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I just got up as I couldn't sleep, and have a lesson with my student commencing shortly. Please stop hectoring me about finding the link you want in a right-away fashion. You're not the only bee in the hive, and I find comments like "I'd like to help you become a respected one as well" patronizing and somewhat offensive. As are the various comments from others denouncing my writing style and "tone", while their own leave much to be desired. I'm already a respected editor; not to those who want every little detail to be linked, or who can't read more than seven sentences at once without freaking out. There's a lot of time-wasting inanity in Wikipedia discussions, often discussions about picayune matters by people who dn't work on teh actual articles themselves; and seem to spend all their time on discussion boards looking for things to delete or people to attack. As for the troll who has persistently harassed me here in course of this discussion, see his "rants" on teh mine disaster article, and also note my even-toned reply to the professional consultant there who is at least working on the article and not bitching about its title, despite his hasty POVish deletion of a cite needed item which was only days old. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:24, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your Teahouse post from yesterday, felt the need to respond, and wasn't entirely comfortable doing it in "public" (I know this isn't really private, but you know what I mean).
I am very sorry to hear about your friend, and I hope I never have to go through something like that.
Wikipedia conflicts are hard enough on one's sanity without the added burden you are carrying now. If I were in your place, I think I'd be spending a lot of my time at the park and none at Wikipedia. See WP:WIKIBREAK. If you're taking Wikipedia into your sleep with you, it's a sure sign you need to change something for your own well-being—and I mean something more than the situation you're having with that article.
Someone else can protect the integrity of that article, if not now, then at some point in the future. Or, if not, it wouldn't be the first article that violates NPOV for a long time. Wikipedia is full of them.
I created a userbox for my user page, that I haven't added to the public gallery. Here it is:
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Best wishes, Mandruss | talk 06:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Whatever happened to MidniteWiki...deleted or discontinued? My main thing with coming to the Teahouse was wanting to avoid the formal procedures, which incur engaging the person I need to disengage from; se my talkpage history for the four or so times I reverted his campaign of accusation; his original one, which is highly NPA/AGF, remains; apparently he doesn't get any message at all, and is hear to beat the drums of enviro-war only. I've seen the same from the "other side(s)" i BC politics...in fact my first block ever, by User:Zoe in the way back when, came about from the admin who blocked me misreading what I'd said and though I'd been threatened, physically or legally, or whatever, instead of what she had blocked me for, i.e. "uttering legal threats"....even once I explained that, rather than apologize she unblocked me with a comment something like now that I had made a retraction etc...but there was nothing to retract...I seem to recall it had to do with Sinixt articles; another area where POV infowar was raging only last year, tiresomely so. Try and be neutral, you're everyone's enemy. See on my maxims, "Truth is not a POV, it is the truth". Skookum1 ( talk) 06:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I recently discovered that you have to leave a notice to stay off your talk page on the other user's talk page. Meters ( talk) 01:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
For the record, surgery and hormones are irrelevant to the matter of gender identity — if a person who was born "male" identifies as female or vice versa, then they're whatever they identify as being regardless of whether they've had the surgery or begun hormone treatment or not; medical intervention is not a precondition of the process. (For instance, a transgender person who lived and died before surgery and hormone treatment were actually options at all, but did whatever they could to live as their internal gender identity within whatever resources existed in their time to do so, is still transgender.) The moment they say that's what they are, then that's what they are, period.
And what sources say is irrelevant too, as even today you can still find sources that insist on gendering Laverne Cox as male (I just read one less than two weeks ago) on the grounds that transgender is a fundamentally illegitimate phenomenon in the first place. But that can't hold, because the phenomenon does exist and is recognized by medical science as being a real thing — so medical science takes precedence over individual people's personal disinclinations to accept the way it works. So the question when it comes to gender isn't whether external sources identified Kauxuma Nupika as being male or female, but whether Kauxuma Nupika identified themself as being male or female — and while I'm not an expert in the matter, the burden of evidence clearly seems to support "male" as Kauxuma Nupika's own gender self-identification.
That said, if you have an issue you're going to need to take it up with somebody who's been involved in in any debate about Nupika's gender, because I've literally never even touched the article in my life except for some category refinement. Bearcat ( talk) 20:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
indigenous common sense and knowledge
Thank you, hacker of Beethoven's
3rd concerto, for quality articles for projects
British Columbia and
Thailand, especially caring for
indigenous peoples and their languages, for the factual moving story of
Endre Johannes Cleven, for having picked "up the garbage too often", and for leaving us "Consensus does not mean that stupidity and ignorance be given equal weight to common sense and knowledge." - You are an
awesome Wikipedian!
A year ago, you were the 583rd recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I don't know what's going on, but PLEASE let me not start a fourth line on top of my talk, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to lie, you do strike me as a little angry at times for reasons I don't understand (and I say this as as a male who when pushed can be very aggressive), but aside from some minor referencing formatting issues, I've never thought you're anything other than a valuable editor. You've done a tremendous amount of good work on British Columbia topics and if you're serious about retiring long term I'll really miss you. I understand how annoying wiki can be at times so hopefully things will blow over but it might take time. We can't afford to lose productive editors like you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for tweaking those coordinates Skookum, much appreciated. Not sure why they were originally targeting Vancouver Island. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 11:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey Skookum
The Boya Lake Provincial Park article says the park (and I guess the lake) are named after an "Indian from the area," which you took from BC Geographical Names db. I just changed Indian to First Nations because I can't figure out his specific community. Any google searches for "Boya Lake" and "Charlie Boya" yield that same BCGN quote. I found, however, a Kwadacha guy named Charlie Boya had a cabin way up near Terminus Mountain, not too far from Boya Lake, both of which are between Kwadacha/Fort Ware and Lower Post. [1] Do you think he's the Boya the lake was named after? Any other sources you might consult? Thanks. - TheMightyQuill ( talk) 07:31, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi Skookum1, Are you still interested in getting access to the Adam Matthew database? Your application was approved and an email message with a link to the signup form went out on October 1. Thanks! HazelAB ( talk) 13:34, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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Good to see you back, hope you resume with your Canadian articles! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC) |
Hello Skookum
Sinixt: I was thinking about
Arrow Lakes Band and
Arrow Lakes Tribe when I referred back to
Arrow Lakes. There was method to my madness.
Peter Horn
User talk
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