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I read your post on Jimbo's talk page and just wanted to let you know your not alone with being trolled. I had that problem when I stopped editing a couple years ago. Now, more often than not, I am accused of being another editor who has been banned from the site, oddly because we shared the same view of being distrustful of many of the admins on this site. That was the primary reason why I left a couple years ago and why they were banned. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that IMO if your arguments are against an admin, it won't matter if you are right, they will always side with an admin. The culture on this site has become one of us and them between editors and admins and editors are thought to not have a clue. If you get too tired of the environment here I would invite you to try out editing at Wikia. Its a lot more enjoyable than it is here and there are a lot of projects to find interesting. Good luck 172.56.3.189 ( talk) 11:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't claim to be an expert in indigenous affairs I just know what the issues, and the linguistic realities are, whether re Canadian English or re the respective native languages; more participation is needed from FNs for their own pages but it's a balancing act; my stubs are often that because I don't want to politicize the articles or just add ongoing news updates for them, rather than the textual equivalent of Curtis photos; my opponents in those cases just don't get that these are living peoples and their self-identification is important to them; they are also, in their own minds/culture, sovereign and so constitute "national varieties of English"........
The degree of resistance to modern reality around here is amazing to me; an inherent conservatism with built-in negativity, not trusting its own editorship who started a lot of the articles in question (town and native ones, plus most of the BC mtn range/geographic regions and more); to be told I have to produce the goods, front and centre, based on vague claims with no direct statements by someone who knows nothing about the place but wants to play guideline games and waste time and energy.........that's disruptive and tendentious to the max, but nothing will get done to those doing it;
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21:50, 12 April 2014 (UTC)Skookum1 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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Aside from noting the support votes and other supportive comments for me ( [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] &endash and please note this comment from the closer "There is no consensus here for a block or ban.") at the ANI which called for no block at all, the wording of the block says "persistent disruption of consensus-forming discussions, most recently identified at Talk:Chipewyan_people#Requested_move_2" re [(persistent disruption of consensus-forming discussions, most recently identified at Talk:Chipewyan_people#Requested_move_2 this post on April 1 at 15:09. That is one day after the ANI began, and most "most recently" given the 750 or so edits from that time until my block; in the course of the last week of the ANI I was consciously minding my p's and q's on article-discussion and guideline-discussion pages, as a review of my contributions from, say, April 7-12 will clearly show; April 1 is not "most recently" considering the volume of edits I made in that period, in which I heeded advice from the ANI and others privately to say within boundaries and write more clearly and less reactively to actions, statements and claims by others. I have also made a point of breaking up my posts into smaller paragraphs for easier readibility/comprehension. Noting again that others said there should be no block at all, because of the block I could not reply to requests made in the final hours before closure to supply the diffs re various actions and statements by others; I am in Asia, 12 time zones and a dateline away. I woke up on Songkran, which is New Years Day here in Thailand, to find myself blocked and the ANI closed so I could not respond. As for what I will be doing if unblocked, as per what Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks says, I think my long history here and its multitude of contributions speaks for itself, as do the commendations of those who know I write quality articles and have useful things to say, if not always clearly understood and so often maligned. Among the projects in abeyance because of all the distractions and time demands of the ANI and other discussions are a number of history articles and not-yet-extant indigenous articles and improvements and expansions to existing ones, and likewise for British Columbia and other history and geography and community articles, long delayed, and also in other wikiproject/topic areas such as WP:Bodybuilding and WP:Southeast Asia/Thailand to address stubs and citation issues there where proper sourcing is difficult and COI is common and, in the case of SE Asia/Thailand and other non-anglosphere article areas, bad grammar and wording are much in need of fixing.
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This block has expired. Kuru (talk) 01:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, Skookum1. Registered 10/27/2005; 80,057 edits. Wow. You've been around so long. You must see the fork in the road because you've seen it with so many others over the years.
Now, how's that for a wall of text? :) Seriously, why am I spending 10 minutes to write to you? It's an outcome thing. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
"The community" you speak of is only people who don't want to acknowledge the points I raise and use TLDR as an excuse to not read what I have to say; others do and TLDRites are not "all" of the community. RM after RM is closing in "my" favour right now, the only failed ones are where obstructionist b.s. and "oppose" carpet-BOMBing by flawed and often very biased and misdirective "votes" were given UNDUE weight, and closers ignored all the precedents and guidelines they have already ignored. Outcomes? As far as outcomes go, those failures to properly address guidelines and precedents and where I have been made a wiki-football contrary to the guideline "discuss content and do not make an editor the subject of discussion", which ironically has been thrown at me while I continue to be made the target of attacks, including officially. TLDR is not a guideline....it is a weak excuse being used to either claim I am not worth listening to, or to be wielded as a club....not by the community, but by a club of people who apparently aren't used to sustained argument and are only interested in quantitative character-counting instead of tackling their hostility to things that they can't, and don't, want to admit to....and regularly engage at shooting at the messenger, often in the most crude and patronizing terms. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
You may remember me from a cordial interaction at North American Cordillera. Anyway, someone once told me that "ANI" is plural for something. That is all. :-) Anythingyouwant ( talk) 18:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Wow! Your story above reminds me of what happened at Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) where I was a happy contributor making 51 edits starting in 2012-09-28, until on 2014-01-18 I made a fatal mistake — I added a few banners such as WikiProject Canada to the talk page and started a whole chain of events, when an editor we are both familiar with — Obiwankenobi -- who had no involvement in that article up to that point, showed up and removed the banners I had added with this edit summary: "clean up. the relationship to other country project is tenuous at best". Shortly thereafter our friend Mrfrobinson showed up in support and the consensus was clear: w-project Canada did not belong on that talk page. By the way did you notice how Obiwan said he was not watching your page, but posted to it right after I did?
Back to FATCA -- I was left with no other option, so on 2014-02- 05 I created FATCA agreement between Canada and the United States where there would be no question this was a Canadian topic. Logical? -- not according to my regular companion. Mrffrobinson was the first to show up and nominate it for deletion, not once but twice, and when that failed, started a merge discussion (back to the original FATCA the one I was driven out of)— which Arthur Rubin supports in fervor to this day.
None of this would have been possible without the active involvement of admin Arthur Rubin who has been making my wiki-life hell since I first bump\ed into him On 10 February 2014.
All three editors have since joined discussion at w-project Canada:
making themselves at home just like they do in my own user space. They managed to dupe everyone - they are the heroes and I am the country bumpkin who doesn’t know what Wikipedia is all about and they all so sophisticated using all the right wiki-buzzwords. Never mind I am the one trying to contribute content, whereas all they are doing is working to remove it. Hey, but of course this is all one big coincidence and/or a figment of my overactive imagination. All the best, X Ottawahitech ( talk) 03:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Speaking as an editor who watches your talk page, who wishes you well, and who hopes that you can find some peace in your Wikipedia editing, I am wondering if you have read the wise advice at the essay WP:OWB? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Skookum1,
I see you have been blocked by User:BrownHairedGirl. I know that you have had some issues recently (sorry I was too involved in my own wiki-problems to pay close attention) but I must say I am surprised that it was this particular admin that blocked you -- I thought you have had words with her in the past, at least enough to consider her "involved"? Am I remembering correctly? X Ottawahitech ( talk) 10:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, XOttawahitech. Yes, you could say I've been rather under duress lately, though am also heartened by the various shows of support for me throughout. As for your question, I'd say, yes, and that "involved" may be too light a word; there is definitely a "history" beginning with the this CfD which I think is remarkable for its invective, but then so are a few of her more recent ones, also. I have some comments on what she replied to per Cuchulain's question, but am not free to speak here by any means.
I obviously am not free to speak openly or point to individual concerns here, which is a sad comment on what Wikipedia has become of late. I made some notes in reply to you just now about details to do with the RMs and comments she made in reply to Cuchulainn on her talkpage; I see Floydian has had things to say too. But I do not feel free to post them here, as I have been warned that the slightest sign of criticism of what has been done to me, and any opinion of mine as to why, will be punished by a longer block. Wikipedia is not censored, but all too often Wikipedians are.
I will refrain from deleting BHG's comment in reply to your question to me the same way she has deleted comments of mine from her talkpage; it probably is not allowed to do so, huh? Please email me so I can discuss this more freely. But yes, "involved" applies and there are COI as well as NPA and AGF issues here; I really don't want more process and procedure where I will be crucified instead of the issues I raise examined; one public stoning for the year is quite enough, thank you.
I'm an old man and have had one round of Wikipedia-related health problems (last fall from the infamous Ktunaxa/St'at'imc/Tsilhqot'in/Secwepemc/Nlaka'pamux RMs and sundry) and find what has happened her not just distasteful but aggravating; if the intent is to drive me from Wikipedia it has almost succeeded, but there are huge areas of Wikipedia in need of improvement that are being neglected (bad English in non-anglosphere-region articles of all kinds, for starters), and I see no reason to quit just because there are those who don't like long "walls of text" and find them, apparently, personally offensive.
As for calling me incompetent, please fix her bad move of Okanagan people to Sylix instead of the correct target, as nominated, of Syilx, which was also the category title until a CfDS after that RM moved it to the mistaken spelling, also. I believe all her other RMs should be reviewed and placed within the larger context of other recent RMs and the consensus that is emergent there, and within existing standards for other related articles in parallel topics/categories.
I don't want to log on again tonight, it's 9:40 on a beautiful tropic evening in Lamai, and I need some dinner, and to get away from the negativity that has been heaped on me this last couple of weeks here. Please email me as I cannot email you.
Anything I say can and will be held against me.....even if I've done or said nothing wrong. That I cannot feel free to speak about my concerns here is not a compliment to "the community" and its "culture", nor to the credibility of Wikipedia as an institution. If I've said anything here that comes back at me with another block, or another ANI, or other retributive action against my impertinence for speaking my own mind, then there are things wrong with this place that cannot be fixed....and can only get worse.
Please email me so I can provide you more links and comments than I feel free to be able to post here. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
It appears I am not alone in my views on what is wrong here, and my observations about the tactics in discussions of attacking the proponent instead of addressing issues raised are not unique. Skookum1 ( talk) 02:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I should really just delete the following post but will return later with diffs that put the lie to the disingenuousness shown here; for now I will just make it smaller to show my opinion of this bit of blatant hypocrisy: Skookum1 ( talk) 02:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Category:Rivers of the Boundary Ranges, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I have been reading this snafu. You are doing yourself no favors; please take a break. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
My friend, STOP posting to AN, AN/I, and Jimbotalk. There is absolutely no good outcome that can result from your doing so. You're a valuable contributor on Pacific Northwest topics, leave the drama and the histrionics to the people who know little and who can't write... Just let it go. Carrite ( talk) 15:26, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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@ Johnuniq: What's "spiralling out of control" is the abusiveness of admins and the group-hysteria of tongue-clucking and hypocritical use of NPA and AGF to discredit their latest victim; I started work on articles and categories in my main area of contribution, and found the same admin who blocked me launching a CfD that has no basis in guidelines or fact, making mistaken/false claims and labelling evidence and cites provided as "irrelevant". something's very wrong in Wikiland when that is tolerated, very, very, very wrong. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC) Freeing myself from bothering with being on the dinner menu at ANI, this is what I did yesterday, created and cited articles, and was going to do more today......halting contributions and calling for more procedural discussions is all about not being collaborative in the slightest. If the people opposing this CfD would put some work in filling in the redlinks of List of British Columbia rivers and citing/researching them, they might have a better leg to stand on but they'd also educate themselves about the topic; instead of trying to throw everything out as OR simply because they know nothing about the subject. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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I read your post on Jimbo's talk page and just wanted to let you know your not alone with being trolled. I had that problem when I stopped editing a couple years ago. Now, more often than not, I am accused of being another editor who has been banned from the site, oddly because we shared the same view of being distrustful of many of the admins on this site. That was the primary reason why I left a couple years ago and why they were banned. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that IMO if your arguments are against an admin, it won't matter if you are right, they will always side with an admin. The culture on this site has become one of us and them between editors and admins and editors are thought to not have a clue. If you get too tired of the environment here I would invite you to try out editing at Wikia. Its a lot more enjoyable than it is here and there are a lot of projects to find interesting. Good luck 172.56.3.189 ( talk) 11:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't claim to be an expert in indigenous affairs I just know what the issues, and the linguistic realities are, whether re Canadian English or re the respective native languages; more participation is needed from FNs for their own pages but it's a balancing act; my stubs are often that because I don't want to politicize the articles or just add ongoing news updates for them, rather than the textual equivalent of Curtis photos; my opponents in those cases just don't get that these are living peoples and their self-identification is important to them; they are also, in their own minds/culture, sovereign and so constitute "national varieties of English"........
The degree of resistance to modern reality around here is amazing to me; an inherent conservatism with built-in negativity, not trusting its own editorship who started a lot of the articles in question (town and native ones, plus most of the BC mtn range/geographic regions and more); to be told I have to produce the goods, front and centre, based on vague claims with no direct statements by someone who knows nothing about the place but wants to play guideline games and waste time and energy.........that's disruptive and tendentious to the max, but nothing will get done to those doing it;
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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guide to appealing blocks first.
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21:50, 12 April 2014 (UTC)Skookum1 ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Aside from noting the support votes and other supportive comments for me ( [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] &endash and please note this comment from the closer "There is no consensus here for a block or ban.") at the ANI which called for no block at all, the wording of the block says "persistent disruption of consensus-forming discussions, most recently identified at Talk:Chipewyan_people#Requested_move_2" re [(persistent disruption of consensus-forming discussions, most recently identified at Talk:Chipewyan_people#Requested_move_2 this post on April 1 at 15:09. That is one day after the ANI began, and most "most recently" given the 750 or so edits from that time until my block; in the course of the last week of the ANI I was consciously minding my p's and q's on article-discussion and guideline-discussion pages, as a review of my contributions from, say, April 7-12 will clearly show; April 1 is not "most recently" considering the volume of edits I made in that period, in which I heeded advice from the ANI and others privately to say within boundaries and write more clearly and less reactively to actions, statements and claims by others. I have also made a point of breaking up my posts into smaller paragraphs for easier readibility/comprehension. Noting again that others said there should be no block at all, because of the block I could not reply to requests made in the final hours before closure to supply the diffs re various actions and statements by others; I am in Asia, 12 time zones and a dateline away. I woke up on Songkran, which is New Years Day here in Thailand, to find myself blocked and the ANI closed so I could not respond. As for what I will be doing if unblocked, as per what Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks says, I think my long history here and its multitude of contributions speaks for itself, as do the commendations of those who know I write quality articles and have useful things to say, if not always clearly understood and so often maligned. Among the projects in abeyance because of all the distractions and time demands of the ANI and other discussions are a number of history articles and not-yet-extant indigenous articles and improvements and expansions to existing ones, and likewise for British Columbia and other history and geography and community articles, long delayed, and also in other wikiproject/topic areas such as WP:Bodybuilding and WP:Southeast Asia/Thailand to address stubs and citation issues there where proper sourcing is difficult and COI is common and, in the case of SE Asia/Thailand and other non-anglosphere article areas, bad grammar and wording are much in need of fixing.
Decline reason:
This block has expired. Kuru (talk) 01:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Hi, Skookum1. Registered 10/27/2005; 80,057 edits. Wow. You've been around so long. You must see the fork in the road because you've seen it with so many others over the years.
Now, how's that for a wall of text? :) Seriously, why am I spending 10 minutes to write to you? It's an outcome thing. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
"The community" you speak of is only people who don't want to acknowledge the points I raise and use TLDR as an excuse to not read what I have to say; others do and TLDRites are not "all" of the community. RM after RM is closing in "my" favour right now, the only failed ones are where obstructionist b.s. and "oppose" carpet-BOMBing by flawed and often very biased and misdirective "votes" were given UNDUE weight, and closers ignored all the precedents and guidelines they have already ignored. Outcomes? As far as outcomes go, those failures to properly address guidelines and precedents and where I have been made a wiki-football contrary to the guideline "discuss content and do not make an editor the subject of discussion", which ironically has been thrown at me while I continue to be made the target of attacks, including officially. TLDR is not a guideline....it is a weak excuse being used to either claim I am not worth listening to, or to be wielded as a club....not by the community, but by a club of people who apparently aren't used to sustained argument and are only interested in quantitative character-counting instead of tackling their hostility to things that they can't, and don't, want to admit to....and regularly engage at shooting at the messenger, often in the most crude and patronizing terms. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
You may remember me from a cordial interaction at North American Cordillera. Anyway, someone once told me that "ANI" is plural for something. That is all. :-) Anythingyouwant ( talk) 18:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Wow! Your story above reminds me of what happened at Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) where I was a happy contributor making 51 edits starting in 2012-09-28, until on 2014-01-18 I made a fatal mistake — I added a few banners such as WikiProject Canada to the talk page and started a whole chain of events, when an editor we are both familiar with — Obiwankenobi -- who had no involvement in that article up to that point, showed up and removed the banners I had added with this edit summary: "clean up. the relationship to other country project is tenuous at best". Shortly thereafter our friend Mrfrobinson showed up in support and the consensus was clear: w-project Canada did not belong on that talk page. By the way did you notice how Obiwan said he was not watching your page, but posted to it right after I did?
Back to FATCA -- I was left with no other option, so on 2014-02- 05 I created FATCA agreement between Canada and the United States where there would be no question this was a Canadian topic. Logical? -- not according to my regular companion. Mrffrobinson was the first to show up and nominate it for deletion, not once but twice, and when that failed, started a merge discussion (back to the original FATCA the one I was driven out of)— which Arthur Rubin supports in fervor to this day.
None of this would have been possible without the active involvement of admin Arthur Rubin who has been making my wiki-life hell since I first bump\ed into him On 10 February 2014.
All three editors have since joined discussion at w-project Canada:
making themselves at home just like they do in my own user space. They managed to dupe everyone - they are the heroes and I am the country bumpkin who doesn’t know what Wikipedia is all about and they all so sophisticated using all the right wiki-buzzwords. Never mind I am the one trying to contribute content, whereas all they are doing is working to remove it. Hey, but of course this is all one big coincidence and/or a figment of my overactive imagination. All the best, X Ottawahitech ( talk) 03:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Speaking as an editor who watches your talk page, who wishes you well, and who hopes that you can find some peace in your Wikipedia editing, I am wondering if you have read the wise advice at the essay WP:OWB? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Skookum1,
I see you have been blocked by User:BrownHairedGirl. I know that you have had some issues recently (sorry I was too involved in my own wiki-problems to pay close attention) but I must say I am surprised that it was this particular admin that blocked you -- I thought you have had words with her in the past, at least enough to consider her "involved"? Am I remembering correctly? X Ottawahitech ( talk) 10:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, XOttawahitech. Yes, you could say I've been rather under duress lately, though am also heartened by the various shows of support for me throughout. As for your question, I'd say, yes, and that "involved" may be too light a word; there is definitely a "history" beginning with the this CfD which I think is remarkable for its invective, but then so are a few of her more recent ones, also. I have some comments on what she replied to per Cuchulain's question, but am not free to speak here by any means.
I obviously am not free to speak openly or point to individual concerns here, which is a sad comment on what Wikipedia has become of late. I made some notes in reply to you just now about details to do with the RMs and comments she made in reply to Cuchulainn on her talkpage; I see Floydian has had things to say too. But I do not feel free to post them here, as I have been warned that the slightest sign of criticism of what has been done to me, and any opinion of mine as to why, will be punished by a longer block. Wikipedia is not censored, but all too often Wikipedians are.
I will refrain from deleting BHG's comment in reply to your question to me the same way she has deleted comments of mine from her talkpage; it probably is not allowed to do so, huh? Please email me so I can discuss this more freely. But yes, "involved" applies and there are COI as well as NPA and AGF issues here; I really don't want more process and procedure where I will be crucified instead of the issues I raise examined; one public stoning for the year is quite enough, thank you.
I'm an old man and have had one round of Wikipedia-related health problems (last fall from the infamous Ktunaxa/St'at'imc/Tsilhqot'in/Secwepemc/Nlaka'pamux RMs and sundry) and find what has happened her not just distasteful but aggravating; if the intent is to drive me from Wikipedia it has almost succeeded, but there are huge areas of Wikipedia in need of improvement that are being neglected (bad English in non-anglosphere-region articles of all kinds, for starters), and I see no reason to quit just because there are those who don't like long "walls of text" and find them, apparently, personally offensive.
As for calling me incompetent, please fix her bad move of Okanagan people to Sylix instead of the correct target, as nominated, of Syilx, which was also the category title until a CfDS after that RM moved it to the mistaken spelling, also. I believe all her other RMs should be reviewed and placed within the larger context of other recent RMs and the consensus that is emergent there, and within existing standards for other related articles in parallel topics/categories.
I don't want to log on again tonight, it's 9:40 on a beautiful tropic evening in Lamai, and I need some dinner, and to get away from the negativity that has been heaped on me this last couple of weeks here. Please email me as I cannot email you.
Anything I say can and will be held against me.....even if I've done or said nothing wrong. That I cannot feel free to speak about my concerns here is not a compliment to "the community" and its "culture", nor to the credibility of Wikipedia as an institution. If I've said anything here that comes back at me with another block, or another ANI, or other retributive action against my impertinence for speaking my own mind, then there are things wrong with this place that cannot be fixed....and can only get worse.
Please email me so I can provide you more links and comments than I feel free to be able to post here. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
It appears I am not alone in my views on what is wrong here, and my observations about the tactics in discussions of attacking the proponent instead of addressing issues raised are not unique. Skookum1 ( talk) 02:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I should really just delete the following post but will return later with diffs that put the lie to the disingenuousness shown here; for now I will just make it smaller to show my opinion of this bit of blatant hypocrisy: Skookum1 ( talk) 02:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Category:Rivers of the Boundary Ranges, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I have been reading this snafu. You are doing yourself no favors; please take a break. Georgewilliamherbert ( talk) 03:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
My friend, STOP posting to AN, AN/I, and Jimbotalk. There is absolutely no good outcome that can result from your doing so. You're a valuable contributor on Pacific Northwest topics, leave the drama and the histrionics to the people who know little and who can't write... Just let it go. Carrite ( talk) 15:26, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}} . However, you should read the
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@ Johnuniq: What's "spiralling out of control" is the abusiveness of admins and the group-hysteria of tongue-clucking and hypocritical use of NPA and AGF to discredit their latest victim; I started work on articles and categories in my main area of contribution, and found the same admin who blocked me launching a CfD that has no basis in guidelines or fact, making mistaken/false claims and labelling evidence and cites provided as "irrelevant". something's very wrong in Wikiland when that is tolerated, very, very, very wrong. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:09, 22 April 2014 (UTC) Freeing myself from bothering with being on the dinner menu at ANI, this is what I did yesterday, created and cited articles, and was going to do more today......halting contributions and calling for more procedural discussions is all about not being collaborative in the slightest. If the people opposing this CfD would put some work in filling in the redlinks of List of British Columbia rivers and citing/researching them, they might have a better leg to stand on but they'd also educate themselves about the topic; instead of trying to throw everything out as OR simply because they know nothing about the subject. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:13, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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